MosesAlex:



Luke 16:25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.

You cant ask someone without memory to remember. So you interpretation is wrong.

Solomon was speaking base on earthly peception. Simply put
the dead has no knowledge of things going on under the sun (on earth) their memory (things that makes them prominent) is forgotten.

Great tendency indeed. The angel was speaking to the Lord of Host for goodness sake. Well because it does not align with your thinking, it is a great tendency. The passage is clear where the angel of the Lord was speaking and where the Lord was speaking. Well in your words, there is a tendency that you accept that you may be wrong

Angels cannot pray or intercede for Christians. Infact Christians has more access to God than angels. Christians has a higher authority than angels so angels cannot pray or intercede for them.

So you accept that there is a tendency that you are wrong.[

I am not wrong. Even if angels can do that in the past, they can do it again.

Ceased from prayers you say? Look at below and see that they dont only pray, they also serve
Rev 5
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

Such Service that is done to God by the saints in heaven is not labour but on the other hand prayer is labour .


Colossians 4:12
Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.




Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

solite3:
Solomon was speaking base on earthly peception. Simply put
the dead has no knowledge of things going on under the sun (on earth) their memory (things that makes them prominent) is forgotten.

That is why you should leave your earthly perception (and its pitfalls) and go for facts. Abraham, the rich man and Lazarus are facts. With their story you don't need conjectures.

solite3:


Angels cannot pray or intercede for Christians. Infact Christians has more access to God than angels. Christians has a higher authority than angels so angels cannot pray or intercede for them.

Whether they have higher authority or not is not the topic. The issue is can they and the saints pray for you. I have showed actual passages of where they have prayed, interceded and Jesus even warned that little children should not be despised because their angels .

Mt 18:10
"See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.

solite3:

I am not wrong. Even if angels can do that in the past, they can do it again.

Okay you have changed you mind from great tendency to great certainty?

solite3:

Such Service that is done to God by the saints in heaven is not labour but on the other hand prayer is labour .

First of all thank God you agree they perform services to God.

Do you agree that when Moses and Elijah appeared in Transfiguration they were at service to God?

Do you also agree that when holy ones appeared to many when Christ rose, were also at the service of God? Mt 27:53

So they are still at service to God and his people. And we know that in the Catholic Church.

solite3:


Colossians 4:12
Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete
in all the will of God.


Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

All girls are human beings does not mean all human beings are girls and vice versa
That some prayers are seen as labour does not mean all prayers are labour.

Jesus said at Gethsemane Mt 26:41
Keep watch and pray that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."

This shows that it is the body that labours to pray. When one is free from the body it won't be labour to pray. As you know the soul is a spirit

MosesAlex:

That is why you should leave your earthly perception (and its pitfalls) and go for facts. Abraham, the rich man and Lazarus are facts. With their story you don't need conjectures.

not my perception but what ecclesiastes says.
The story of Lazarus and the rich man does not contradict ecclesiastes. there were no conjectures.

Whether they have higher authority or not is not the topic. The issue is can they and the saints pray for you. I have showed actual passages of where they have prayed, interceded and Jesus even warned that little children should not be despised because their angels .

Mt 18:10
"See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.

nowhere does it say that Angels pray or intercede for the little ones.

Okay you have changed you mind from great tendency to great certainty?

read and understand.
Angels do not pray or intercede for anybody.

First of all thank God you agree they perform services to God.

sure they perform services for God but these does not include prayers or intercessions.

Do you agree that when Moses and Elijah appeared in Transfiguration they were at service to God?

Do you also agree that when holy ones appeared to many when Christ rose, were also at the service of God? Mt 27:53

So they are still at service to God and his people. And we know that in the Catholic Church.

those ones that appeared were they spirits? do spirit have bodies?

All girls are human beings does not mean all human beings are girls and vice versa
That some prayers are seen as labour does not mean all prayers are labour.

Jesus said at Gethsemane Mt 26:41
Keep watch and pray that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."

This shows that it is the body that labours to pray. When one is free from the body it won't be labour to pray. As you know the soul is a spirit

when one is free from this body he can no more pray.


John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.


one of the work of Jesus is prayer or intercession, Jesus meant that he must do the work he had to do or else when death comes he cannot do it. this clearly mean that when one is dead he cannot do what he used to do on earth.

solite3:


John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.


one of the work of Jesus is prayer or intercession, Jesus meant that he must do the work he had to do or else when death comes he cannot do it. this clearly mean that when one is dead he cannot do what he used to do on earth.

I would respond to your comments later but this can't wait.

Look at what you just wrote , that Jesus' intercession for us stopped after his death. I have put to you and will do again. That some part A is part of B, does not mean all A is part B, or A is always B, or vice versa.
Jesus is still working .
We were about the saints now you have moved to Jesus. Is that your believe? That even Jesus has stopped working?
That's the problem with private interpretation of the Bible. Even the devil quoted the Bible to Jesus, who is Word of God.

MosesAlex:


I would respond to your comments later but this can't wait.

Look at what you just wrote , that Jesus' intercession for us stopped after his death. I have put to you and will do again. That some part A is part of B, does not mean all A is part B, or A is always B, or vice versa.
Jesus is still working .
We were about the saints now you have moved to Jesus. Is that your believe? That even Jesus has stopped working?
That's the problem with private interpretation of the Bible. Even the devil quoted the Bible to Jesus, who is Word of God.

no Jesus has not stop working because Jesus is not dead

solite3:
no Jesus has not stop working because Jesus is not dead

Was one of his works preaching as well? Which also stopped when he died?

MosesAlex:

Was one of his works preaching as well? Which also stopped when he died?

Jesus had other missions when he died that includes revealing himself to Abraham, preaching to those who were dead and taking back the key of hell and death.
when Jesus died his mission to earthly men was ended.