NumbEmotions:
As a matter of truth can all of you speaking against pre-tribulation rapture tell me of what essence is the rapture if the church would be drilled at the tribulation?

alBHAGDADI:


It is to weed out true followers of Jesus from the fake and imposters. Many think they are saved but aren't. It is during that period that those who are saved will show their salvation by standing with Jesus no matter what, death or punishment.

Those who aren't truly saved will abandon Jesus and side with the Antichrist because the never trained themselves for the tribulation. They are the lazy people who believe they will escape it all through rapture. No wonder they are lured by feel good sermons about prosperity. To them, Christianity is all about feeling good.

providence338:
Greetings brethren.
I hail you all in the name of Yahuah Elohim, the Most High God of Israel and His only begotten Son, Yahshua Hamashiach, Jesus the Christ.

I closely follow another thread regarding dreams, but found myself contributing mostly regarding the topic of the end times.
So I decided to start a new thread on the subject.
For months back in 2016, I was consistently having dreams of the end times. I occasionally still have dreams like that now.
I saw scenes similar to World War II. I saw the spirit of Hitler, the 3rd reich. I saw tanks, helicopters, armies, soldiers, etc.

I live in the state of California, USA. I see firsthand the formation of the NWO in this country. What happens in America will replicate throughout the world. It won't be long before the principalities ruling over America will converge with the principalities in Nigeria and Africa at large. Africa is the last frontier for the NWO. For decades America has been installing puppet presidents on the continent. Buhari was placed into power by none other than the Obama administration (google David Axelrod). Buhari, like most African leaders, is serving the interest of western powers to rapidly destabilize Africa, so the powers of the NWO can "save" it. Trump is doing the same in America.

I can get quiet long-winded so I'll get to the point. The saints need to start spiritually preparing for a world-wide tribulation. There will be no pre-tribulation rapture as commonly taught in many of these churches. Just read Matt 24:29-31. The church has mostly been compromised, many have false prophets, teachers and occultists/free masons as their leaders. Any church that is a MEGA church, RUN. Any church that doesn't preach against homosexuality (which is big here in America), vanity, love of money, fornication, bribe, sexual sin, etc RUN. Any church that preaches only breakthrough, miracles, signs and wonders, healings, deliverance, prosperity, self-help, self-love, RUN. If they're not preaching to strive DAILY to renounce this world, and forsake our flesh to pursue God's holiness, sanctification, perfection, consecration and meditation, dedication to prayer in God's Word to purge our garments of filth so He can make it white, RUN.

Don't listen to anyone preaching pre-tribulation rapture, this is a false teaching to lull the church into a false sense of security before the antichrist is unveiled. The only thing that would save us from the tribulation is if our garments are found without spot, blemish or wrinkle. We don't HAVE to go through the tribulation if God has already made a way out (Luke 21:36). Read the whole chapter to get the proper context. Most so-called believers will endure the tribulation. If we're not in the process of making our garment white now, it'll be made white through fire and testing (tribulation). A remnant will make it into the wilderness and spared the hour of temptation that will befall the earth (Rev 3:10). There is another remnant that will be the warrior bride of Christ. These are the 144K, a literal (Rev 7) and symbolic body of SEALED believers (Eph 4:30) who are found the most worthy to preach the gospel, exhort and encourage the saints. They will be empowered with awesome miracles, signs and wonders to build the faith of the believers (and convert non-believers) during the tribulation.

What are your thoughts on the tribulation? Do you sense we are the generation that will witness the consummation of all things? What have you observed to make you believe so? Share your thoughts here

NumbEmotions:


Please can I have a bible reference that supports your claim?

providence338:
Greetings brethren.
I hail you all in the name of Yahuah Elohim, the Most High God of Israel and His only begotten Son, Yahshua Hamashiach, Jesus the Christ.

I closely follow another thread regarding dreams, but found myself contributing mostly regarding the topic of the end times.
So I decided to start a new thread on the subject.
For months back in 2016, I was consistently having dreams of the end times. I occasionally still have dreams like that now.
I saw scenes similar to World War II. I saw the spirit of Hitler, the 3rd reich. I saw tanks, helicopters, armies, soldiers, etc.

I live in the state of California, USA. I see firsthand the formation of the NWO in this country. What happens in America will replicate throughout the world. It won't be long before the principalities ruling over America will converge with the principalities in Nigeria and Africa at large. Africa is the last frontier for the NWO. For decades America has been installing puppet presidents on the continent. Buhari was placed into power by none other than the Obama administration (google David Axelrod). Buhari, like most African leaders, is serving the interest of western powers to rapidly destabilize Africa, so the powers of the NWO can "save" it. Trump is doing the same in America.

I can get quiet long-winded so I'll get to the point. The saints need to start spiritually preparing for a world-wide tribulation. There will be no pre-tribulation rapture as commonly taught in many of these churches. Just read Matt 24:29-31. The church has mostly been compromised, many have false prophets, teachers and occultists/free masons as their leaders. Any church that is a MEGA church, RUN. Any church that doesn't preach against homosexuality (which is big here in America), vanity, love of money, fornication, bribe, sexual sin, etc RUN. Any church that preaches only breakthrough, miracles, signs and wonders, healings, deliverance, prosperity, self-help, self-love, RUN. If they're not preaching to strive DAILY to renounce this world, and forsake our flesh to pursue God's holiness, sanctification, perfection, consecration and meditation, dedication to prayer in God's Word to purge our garments of filth so He can make it white, RUN.

Don't listen to anyone preaching pre-tribulation rapture, this is a false teaching to lull the church into a false sense of security before the antichrist is unveiled. The only thing that would save us from the tribulation is if our garments are found without spot, blemish or wrinkle. We don't HAVE to go through the tribulation if God has already made a way out (Luke 21:36). Read the whole chapter to get the proper context. Most so-called believers will endure the tribulation. If we're not in the process of making our garment white now, it'll be made white through fire and testing (tribulation). A remnant will make it into the wilderness and spared the hour of temptation that will befall the earth (Rev 3:10). There is another remnant that will be the warrior bride of Christ. These are the 144K, a literal (Rev 7) and symbolic body of SEALED believers (Eph 4:30) who are found the most worthy to preach the gospel, exhort and encourage the saints. They will be empowered with awesome miracles, signs and wonders to build the faith of the believers (and convert non-believers) during the tribulation.

What are your thoughts on the tribulation? Do you sense we are the generation that will witness the consummation of all things? What have you observed to make you believe so? Share your thoughts here

rupeelicious:


I mean, if the Whiteman didn't come with his religion, how would we as traditionalists in the whole expanse of Africa relate to this rapture story?

Is heaven for Christians or for good people?

Many of us have accepted Christ as Lord and saviour but we don't live up to it. Does that acceptance make us better than the traditionalist who is upright but doesn't know Christ?

alBHAGDADI:


Mr Muslim, please excuse us.

NumbEmotions:


Please can I have a bible reference that supports your claim?

Hakeem12:
And the Lord Shakilimoon took me in a trance, and showed me heaven, his holy abode.

Before me was a huge aluminum container, filled with àmàlà to the brim. And right in the centre of it was a deep well filled with hot gbẹ̀gìrì and living and alive ewédú, intimately locked in a divine tango. In another concentric circle at centre of the central well was a collection of the most unimaginable assortment of ògúnfe, ṣàkì, roundabout, abọ́dì́, àgémáwo and the most luscious convoluted pọ̀nmọ́, baptized and immersed in the most aromatic peppersauce.

And the Lord said to me, "Behold, I prepare all this for those who do my will in my kingdom".

And he turned to his right and showed me a long queue of palm wine tappers, dressed in immaculate white dàńsíkí and sòkòtò, with abetí ajá caps to match, all bearing freshly tapped palm wine that was breathing life and fire in shiny gourds.

And lord Shakilimoon said, "this I have further prepared for all those who listen to the High Priest of Shakilimoon and send him palm wine and isi ewu during their earthly life".

And I saw myself take position among the saints, devouring these things provided by my lord in this great banquet. And I looked behind me and saw an army of irúnmọlẹ̀, bearing great local fans, fanning away the beady sweat gathering on my forehead as I devoured amala, which was singing shakaleluyah, in the company of gbẹ̀gìrì and ewédú, to the accompaniment of àgídìgbo drums provided by oríṣiríṣi and cow leg and goat meat.

And I looked again, and saw my grandmother, encouraging me to eat a little more àmàlà but that I should take it easy as the Lord Shakilimoon always keeps his word about abundant amala in his heavenly kingdom. But I did not heed her advice as I was too drunk in the presence of my Lord, the Giver of all Morning Erections and the Lubricator of all Plates in Middle Earth.

To him be all common sense and logic forever. Amen.
Shakmen!

adelee777:

Why is smoke all around you? What's that glowing thing in wrapped paper in your hand?

alBHAGDADI:


Please read this transcript from a movie by Pastor Anderson.



(Matthew 13:21) Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

Pastor Anderson: What do you see the definition of "tribulation" as? Persecution. He says "tribulation or persecution" that arises because of the word. So are these people going through tribulation because they are so bad? No, they are going through tribulation because they are standing on the word of God. And because they have taken a stand for the word of God, because they have received the word of God with all gladness, they will go through persecution or tribulation. If we are rooted and grounded in what we believe, when persecution and tribulation comes, we will endure. The first time you see the word "tribulation" used in the Bible, it is coupled with "persecution." That is the first time the word "tribulation" is used in the New Testament, and if you follow every single time throughout the New Testament that the word "tribulation" is used, 90% of the time it is talking about believers going through tribulation - saved people going through tribulation. The other two times it is used where it is not talking about saved people, it has nothing to do with end times prophecy. It is just talking about people going through tribulation in general. Christians throughout history have gone through tribulation, and our generation will not be any different. Maybe this will happen in our lifetime, maybe it will not, but if it happens in our lifetime, we will go through it as believers. We will either be killed for the cause of Christ, or hopefully we will make it through this period and make it to the rapture.

Pastor Jimenez: The fifth mention of the word "tribulation" in the New Testament is found in John 16:33.
Pastor Anderson: He is speaking to believers. He is speaking to his disciples. He says,

(John 16:33) These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer: I have overcome the world.

Pastor Anderson: Did he say that you will avoid the tribulation? Did he say that you will not go through tribulation? Did he say, "I would never let my people go through tribulation! I love them too much!" No! What did the first mention of "tribulation" say in Matthew 13? That if people were not rooted and grounded, and persecution or tribulation would arise because of the word, they would be offended. Look what Jesus said in this chapter that warns us of tribulation in verse 1:

(John 16:1) These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.

Pastor Anderson: He is saying that if he does not tell you about this, if he does not warn you about the coming persecutions and tribulations and trials that you will go through in your life, when they come, you will be taken by surprise. You will be offended. You say, "Why are you preaching this sermon, Pastor Anderson?" I am preaching this sermon that ye might not be offended. You say, "Wait a minute, this sermon offends!" No, this is the sermon to stop you from being offended because Jesus said that if you know this is coming, you will not be offended. Look at verse 4:

(John 16:4) But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.

Pastor Anderson: So he says there that when these things happen you will remember that I told you so, and I am saying the same thing tonight that Jesus said. When these things begin to happen - it may not be in our lifetime; it may be 100 years from now; maybe it will be a couple years from now; we do not know when the end will be - but when it happens, you will remember that I told you. More importantly than that, because I did not make these things up, you will remember that Jesus told you.

adelee777:
I always wonder where people got the pre-tribulation rapture thing from. Coupled with the tithe doctrine, I always wonder what other lies we have been fed with!

Hakeem12:
And the lord looked at all he had created including marijuana...and he saw that it was good

NumbEmotions:

Alas! Ye are cursed beyond human comprehension. Lo! hell hath no such a slave as thou.

echodrum:
Oga, is there any great tribulation that is greater than the one people in in Nigeria are going through already? What kind of ignorance thinkers are religious people? Instead of you to live a just life, age and die in peace you are subjecting yourself to more torchuring believe.

NumbEmotions:


Thank you sir/ma, buh the above bible references speak about the tribulation and persecution as faced by christians across the globe today and should not be confused for as referring to the 'Great Tribulation.'

alBHAGDADI:


I gave you that passage to show you that every time the word tribulation is mentioned I. the Bible, it is mostly about Christians going through it. If that was the case in the past, what makes you think the Great Tribulation will be any different?

The below verse shows the Antichrist making war against the saints. If you say the saints will be raptured away from the tribulation, then who are the saints facing tribulation under the Antichrist?

(Revelation 13:7) And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

NumbEmotions:


The saints referred to in Revelation 13:7 are those who bliv in christ during the tribulation .