Abuheekmat:



La. .

Even if it's sheik Muhammad bin abdul wahab or sheik Ahmad Bin Hanbal. .

You should never say you will defend anyone to any length except rosul.
It's only rosul that we can do taqleed of..



Now .let's talk on dowabitu takfeer..


Adam adulah al Ilory
Ahmad Tijani
Ibrahim Niyas
Ibn Hajar
Isa Akindele
Alaro
Sarumi
Amubieya
Sharof ogbomosho
Mustapha rasheed
Asrau bilal
Sharof ede
Ejigbo



...those are the one's i can recollect for now..


What can you say about them

Ok I agree what said was wrong but I just don't like seeing the sahaba or salaf being insulted. Truth to be said I don't know anything about them, I only know the first three names on the list, and that Ibrahim Inyas was a propergator of Innovations, Ahmad Tijani claimed to be an ahlul-bayt and Ibrahim Inyas was his student

najib632:
Ok I agree what said was wrong but I just don't like seeing the sahaba or salaf being insulted. Truth to be said I don't know anything about them, I only know the first three names on the list, and that Ibrahim Inyas was a propergator of Innovations, Ahmad Tijani claimed to be an ahlul-bayt and Ibrahim Inyas was his student

Adam adulah nko

Abuheekmat:



Adam adulah nko

No I don't anything about him.

najib632:
No I don't anything about him.

You are not Nigerian right ?

Abuheekmat:



You are not Nigerian right ?

I am, I mostly don't listen to lectures about other sects, and I mostly focus on the stories of the Sahaba and Salaf, a little bit of fiqh and hadith

najib632:
I am, I mostly don't listen to lectures about other sects, and I mostly focus on the stories of the Sahaba and Salaf, a little bit of fiqh and hadith

That's perfect..

But do not forget..

As we are learning manhaj salaf. . We must also know other manhaj..

We must know good and bad..


The same thing that Ahmad tijani does that made him kafir is what made adam adulah a kafir too .



The others are mumayiun...

Abuheekmat:


That's perfect..

But do not forget..

As we are learning manhaj salaf. . We must also know other manhaj..

We must know good and bad..


The same thing that Ahmad tijani does that made him kafir is what made adam adulah a kafir too .



The others are mumayiun...

Ok please can you recommend any book for me to read about them or any audio

najib632:
Ok please can you recommend any book for me to read about them or any audio

Do you understand Yoruba ?

Abuheekmat:



Do you understand Yoruba ?

No sir I don't.

najib632:
No sir I don't.

Then you are safe from the kufar..


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What's your understanding on bidha .Innovation

Abuheekmat:


Then you are safe from the kufar..


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What's your understanding on bidha .Innovation

Bringing about any practice that's not from the instructions of the Qur'an, or Sunnah, or from the sahabah or salaf. That's what I understand.

aril:


Don't waist your time on him. Did you see him present any hadith or prove about his claims all these while. Yet he'll answer you like he knows it all. Watch the video i showed him. That lecture is directly to him, i really like the way the imam put it.

I hope he looks in the mirror at the end.

he will never watch the video. He always have problems with his java phone and always doesnt have data to listen to good lecture. He only has data to talk trash.

aril:



What is your school of thought?

Jabatiyyah school of tot

najib632:
Bringing about any practice that's not from the instructions of the Qur'an, or Sunnah, or from the sahabah or salaf. That's what I understand.

It's judgement

Empiree:
he will never watch the video. He always have problems with his java phone and always doesnt have data to listen to good lecture. He only has data to talk trash.

Jabatiyyah school of tot

Java niyen abi.. Lol

najib632:
Ok I agree what said was wrong but I just don't like seeing the sahaba or salaf being insulted. Truth to be said I don't know anything about them, I only know the first three names on the list, and that Ibrahim Inyas was a propergator of Innovations, Ahmad Tijani claimed to be an ahlul-bayt and Ibrahim Inyas was his student

do you have evidence of highlighted statement and can you give example?.

najib632:
Bringing about any practice that's not from the instructions of the Qur'an, or Sunnah, or from the sahabah or salaf. That's what I understand.

I hope you understand this has major implication by your definition of innovation?. By your definition you provided, all sects are guilty of innovation.

Abuheekmat:


It's judgement

I don't understand?

najib632:
I don't understand?

The judgment on whoever insist on doing bidha

Empiree:
do you have evidence of highlighted statement and can you give example?.


I hope you understand this has major implication by your definition of innovation?. By your definition you provided, all sects are guilty of innovation.

Should I answer on his behalf?



#laughing..


I will finish you here today. .

Empiree:
do you have evidence of highlighted statement and can you give example?.

I see his followers playing music and dancing to it, I see them putting his image around their necks, I have heard of one of them that said sheikh inyas S.A.W(wa iyazubi Llah), they sit in circles of zikr which is very excellent but they beat their chests which is highly disliked, some of them say the use of ta'awiz is not Haram as long as you don't commit shirk, these are the ones I know. I usually don't dig into the aqeeda of other sects so these are just some that I know.

Empiree:


I hope you understand this has major implication by your definition of innovation?. By your definition you provided, all sects are guilty of innovation.

Yes I do, some innovations lead to kufur, some are good, but they still have their own lapses.

Abuheekmat:


The judgment on whoever insist on doing bidha

I don't have the knowledge of judgment from any school of thought, but I know of the hadith that the prophet Muhammad S.A.W said whoever brings about something new in this our affair (Islam), without any just reasons it shall be rejected from him.

najib632:
I don't have the knowledge of judgment from any school of thought, but I know of the hadith that the prophet Muhammad S.A.W said whoever brings about something new in this our affair (Islam), without any just reasons it shall be rejected from him.

Forget school of thought.. Never mention them again..

It's rosul Allah sent to you .. Not school of thought bro ..


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What is rejected means vain..
Means rendering the person deeds useless .


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Try read salafs books on bidha. ..

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It's judgment is disbelief.

najib632:
I see his followers playing music and dancing to it, I see them putting his image around their necks, I have heard of one of them that said sheikh inyas S.A.W(wa iyazubi Llah), they sit in circles of zikr which is very excellent but they beat their chests which is highly disliked, some of them say the use of ta'awiz is not Haram as long as you don't commit shirk, these are the ones I know. I usually don't dig into the aqeeda of other sects so these are just some that I know.

Yes I do, some innovations lead to kufur, some are good, but they still have their own lapses.

Which innovation is good .

Abuheekmat:



Which innovation is good .

like Musaabaqa it has a of disadvantage of people getting in for the sake of money and wishing their brother fails so that they'll succeed, but something like science an technology(before it was stolen from us) had a lot of good.

najib632:
like Musaabaqa it has a of disadvantage of people getting in for the sake of money and wishing their brother fails so that they'll succeed, but something like science an technology(before it was stolen from us) had a lot of good.

Smiling..


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Do you recollect surah maidah verse 3?

Allah said Islam is complete... Right ?

Means no addiction or subtraction .



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Every innovation means rejection of that verse..

And that makes the doer a kafir .




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Am sure you are aware about tawheed. .

Huluhiyah ..Rububiyah and asmaulah wasifat...



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It's part of tawheed. . That's it's only Allah that can legislate into islam. .

That's part of tawheed Rububiyah..


Anyone that innovates into the deen as legislated (bring law) into the deen..


Thereby ..makes the doer a kafir

Abuheekmat:



Smiling..


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Do you recollect surah maidah verse 3?

Allah said Islam is complete... Right ?

Means no addiction or subtraction .



..

Every innovation means rejection of that verse..

And that makes the doer a kafir .




...


Am sure you are aware about tawheed. .

Huluhiyah ..Rububiyah and asmaulah wasifat...



..

It's part of tawheed. . That's it's only Allah that can legislate into islam. .

That's part of tawheed Rububiyah..


Anyone that innovates into the deen as legislated (bring law) into the deen..


Thereby ..makes the doer a kafir

Alhamdulillah, I understand what you're saying, innovation in belief is kufur 100%. Sects like shia (that curse the sahabah), Yazidi, Ahmadiyya, e.t.c. are kufar, because of their beliefs. But what is the judgement on musaabaqa and science and technology? Also salatul fati and erring sects like deobadi and Tijjaniya?
I am a neutralist Salafi I choose to be a salafi because I don't like the idea of following only one school of thought, because many other Imams and Salaf opinions have been lost due to this.

aril:


Simple analysis and simply put. May Allah bless you with more knowledge.

Jazaaka Allahu khairan

najib632:
Alhamdulillah, I understand what you're saying, innovation in belief is kufur 100%. But what is the judgement on musaabaqa and science and technology? Also salatul fati
I am a neutralist Salafi I choose to be a salafi because I don't like the idea of following only one school of thought, because many other Imams and Salaf opinions have been lost due to this.

Which one is neutralist salafi..


Like i said, follow rosul. . That's the only way you won't lost..




As long as its innovation..


Small, Little , tiny, big, large, ernomous has same judgement..


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Am sure you don't sujud or bow or Bend or kneel or prostate to greet

Abuheekmat:


Which one is neutralist salafi..


Like i said, follow rosul. . That's the only way you won't lost..




As long as its innovation..


Small, Little , tiny, big, large, ernomous has same judgement..


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Am sure you don't sujud or bow or Bend or kneel or prostate to greet

Yes I don't bow to greet. A neutralist is someone that doesn't condemn school of thought. While other Salafis condemn it.

najib632:
I see his followers playing music and dancing to it, I see them putting his image around their necks, I have heard of one of them that said sheikh inyas S.A.W(wa iyazubi Llah), they sit in circles of zikr which is very excellent but they beat their chests which is highly disliked, some of them say the use of ta'awiz is not Haram as long as you don't commit shirk, these are the ones I know. I usually don't dig into the aqeeda of other sects so these are just some that I know.

initially you said sheikh niyas(ra) was progenitor of innovations but what you said here have nothing to do with him. Here you are talking about people who do stuff after him.

See how you failed first test?. I'm not gonna get involved in what those people do. I have noted your point. I'm only gonna address issue of tawiz. There is ijma that tawiz that contain kufr statement or names other than Allah is shirk. Tawiz that contain Allah's Names is not shirk. There is difference of opinion on the later. Those who dislike tawiz don't say it is shirk. Most said it is makhruh.

Yes I do, some innovations lead to kufur, some are good, but they still have their own lapses.

so far you have failed to prove his innovations. But you made allegation that he's the father of innovations but you can't prove it.

najib632:
Yes I don't bow to greet. A neutralist is someone that doesn't condemn school of thought. While other Salafis condemn it.

Oohk...

Every single School of thought is reeked with innovations.


They (sufi) formed those schools of thought and named it..



Hanafiyah
Hanbal
Malaiki
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Do not listen to any of their fatawa unless they provide clear dalil for it

Ibrahim niyas
Ahmad tijani
Yaya solaaty
Adam adulah


And every other dead sufi. .


Lahna tulah alaehi

najib632:
Alhamdulillah, I understand what you're saying, innovation in belief is kufur 100%. Sects like shia (that curse the sahabah), Yazidi, Ahmadiyya, e.t.c. are kufar, because of their beliefs. But what is the judgement on musaabaqa and science and technology? Also salatul fati and erring sects like deobadi and Tijjaniya?
I am a neutralist Salafi I choose to be a salafi because I don't like the idea of following only one school of thought, because many other Imams and Salaf opinions have been lost due to this.

You are slowly entering brainwash zone. Good luck with that. You should first discribe belief according to Qur'an and Sunnah and then come to your conclusion.