Empiree:
You are slowly entering brainwash zone. Good luck with that. You should first discribe belief according to Qur'an and Sunnah and then come to your conclusion.

Don't worry about me brother I believe in there's a limit to everything. But in shaa Allah I will never be brainwashed I ask questions with to understand how things are and I never stick to one opinion but the best opinion.

Abuheekmat:


Oohk...

Every single School of thought is reeked with innovations.


They (sufi) formed those schools of thought and named it..



Hanafiyah
Hanbal
Malaiki
..

Do not listen to any of their fatawa unless they provide clear dalil for it

I understand you now, don't call Call fatawa innovations they're just opinions and you're to choose which one you want to follow. These men put alot of effort to into Islam I believe in choosing what ever I want from them, so I can't call them Kafir and never will I. Your Salafi perspective is similar to that of Al-qaeda, be careful of declaring people like these as innovators while they're far more righteous than any Salafi scholar that condemns them. Extremist Salafis have caused the goal of uniting the ummah to fail. Obey the messager of Allah and become neutral avoid extremism.

najib632:
I understand you now, don't call Call fatawa innovations they're just opinions and you're to choose which one you want to follow. These men put alot of effort to into Islam I believe in choosing what ever I want from them, so I can't call them Kafir and never will I. Your Salafi perspective is similar to that of Al-qaeda, be careful of declaring people like these as innovators while they're far more righteous than any Salafi scholar that condemns them. Extremist Salafis have caused the goal of uniting the ummah to fail. Obey the messager of Allah and become neutral avoid extremism.

Am surprised you are defending the madhab over rosul.

Stricting with. Rosul makes one an extremiSt?
Calling a kafir a kafir doesn't make one a khawarij



...

And besides , before the existence of your highly regarded school of thought ..

what were people following? how were they practicing islam? Huh?

Abuheekmat:



Am surprised you are defending the madhab over rosul.

Stricting with. Rosul makes one an extremiSt?
Calling a kafir a kafir doesn't make one a khawarij



...

And besides , before the existence of your highly regarded school of thought ..

what were people following? how were they practicing islam? Huh?

You're slandering me, I never acted in away that shows that I prefer madhab over RasululLah S.A.W, which sane Muslim will do that? It seems you're not paying attention to what I am saying? Remember I told you that I am Salafi because I hate the idea of school of thoughts being divided. Didn't it occur to you that I want to see the ahlul-Sunnah United and that we follow opinions that have more backing from the Sunnah of the prophet S.A.W? This Imam that their students fromed schools of thought were they shia or Mu'atazila, or Khawarij? No they are all Sunni. Is it not the same Imam Ahmad that saved aqeeda despite suffering persecution you're calling a kafir? Did we Salafis exist then? We formed to unite the ahlul-sunah and And the entire Muslim ummah not to condemn people that worked hard for Islam. Imam Ahmad gathered Most of the authentic hadith of the prophet Muhammad S.A.W he also dedicated his life in detecting fabricated hadith and you call him a kafir? Imam Ahmad that was one of the teachers of Imam Al-Bukhari and you call him a kafir? Imam Abu Hanifa that dedicated his life time to the Sharia and you call him kafir? Ibn Qayim R. Is a Hanbali, would you also call him a kafir? This were men that sacrificed their lives to protect Islam from innovators of falsehood and people that lie against the messenger of Allah and you call them Kufar? It's because of extremism of The Sunni that lead to other opinions being lost and lead to the rise of we Salafis. Stop being an extremist.

Empiree:
initially you said sheikh niyas(ra) was progenitor of innovations but what you said here have nothing to do with him. Here you are talking about people who do stuff after him.

See how you failed first test?. I'm not gonna get involved in what those people do. I have noted your point. I'm only gonna address issue of tawiz. There is ijma that tawiz that contain kufr statement or names other than Allah is shirk. Tawiz that contain Allah's Names is not shirk. There is difference of opinion on the later. Those who dislike tawiz don't say it is shirk. Most said it is makhruh.


so far you have failed to prove his innovations. But you made allegation that he's the father of innovations but you can't prove it.

If you remember I said I don't really know the aqeeda of Tijaniyya, I will like to know Ibrahim Inyas story please.

najib632:
If you remember I said I don't really know the aqeeda of Tijaniyya, I will like to know Ibrahim Inyas story please.

Google can better a help some more, not me.

However, when i said belief, beliefs of muslims are the same. It shahada, salat, zakat, saum haj, this is the belief system. Anyone who rejects these is not a muslim. But if you talking about aqeedah in the sense of sect, that's sub-madhab. That's methodology they arrived at.

Empiree:
Google can better a help some more, not me.

However, when i said belief, beliefs of muslims are the same. It shahada, salat, zakat, saum haj, this is the belief system. Anyone who rejects these is not a muslim. But if you talking about aqeedah in the sense of sect, that's sub-madhab. That's methodology they arrived at.

Sadaqt, and also the six articles of faith and believe in the oneness of Allah. Anyone who uses ta'awiz has committed shirk and he must repent from it, because there an authentic Hadith that the prophet Muhammad S.A.W said it is shirk,
Here it is:
It was narrated from ‘Uqbah ibn ‘Aamir al-Juhani that a group came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) [to swear their allegiance (bay’ah) to him]. He accepted the bay’ah of nine of them but not of one of them. They said, “O Messenger of Allaah, you accepted the bay’ah of nine but not of this one.” He said, “He is wearing an amulet.” The man put his hand (in his shirt) and took it off, then he (the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) accepted his bay’ah. He said, ‘Whoever wears an amulet has committed shirk.”

(Narrated by Ahmad, 16969)

This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 492.

Some might try to argue if it contains ayyah from Qur'an or dua from the prophet the it is permissible, this is very dangerous and many usually become kafir without even realising it. Because they use things they don't understand and why wear a Qur'anic verse or prayer of the prophet when you can memorize it. We should always stay away from what the Messager of Allah and sahaba didn't do and always try to avoid suspicious things that the Salaf disagree upon because it's usually this that are dangerous and can lead to kufur.

najib632:
Sadaqt, and also the six articles of faith and believe in the oneness of Allah. Anyone who uses ta'awiz has committed shirk and he must repent from it, because there an authentic Hadith that the prophet Muhammad S.A.W said it is shirk,
Here it is:
It was narrated from ‘Uqbah ibn ‘Aamir al-Juhani that a group came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) [to swear their allegiance (bay’ah) to him]. He accepted the bay’ah of nine of them but not of one of them. They said, “O Messenger of Allaah, you accepted the bay’ah of nine but not of this one.” He said, “He is wearing an amulet.” The man put his hand (in his shirt) and took it off, then he (the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) accepted his bay’ah. He said, ‘Whoever wears an amulet has committed shirk.”

(Narrated by Ahmad, 16969)

This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 492.

Some might try to argue if it contains ayyah from Qur'an or dua from the prophet the it is permissible, this is very dangerous and many usually become kafir without even realising it. Because they use things they don't understand and why wear a Qur'anic verse or prayer of the prophet when you can memorize it. We should always stay away from what the Messager of Allah and sahaba didn't do and always try to avoid suspicious things that the Salaf disagree upon because it's usually this that are dangerous and can lead to kufur.

You can see the commentary you ran below the hadith is opinion and understanding of section of people. Scholars have already divided taweez. But i understand the reason why scholars opposing taweez with ayah of Quran said so. They simply used precautions. Again, taweez containing phrases, names, recitation other than Allah is what the hadith called shirk bcus those arabs at the time used names other than Allah's Names.


It is true that memorization is always the best but not everyone can memorize. So if taweez with ayat of Quran is shirk, then it will always be shirk even if it is used for sick person or baby. There is hadith that say taweez is allowed for baby and sick person and this taweez only contains Allah's Names, Quran or hadith, nothing more. I have told you before that scholars differ on taweez containing Quran or ayat of Quran or God's Names. The only dangerous part is that some people may rely on it as if, if it is not on their body, they not gonna feel safe. This is nonsense. But taweez with ayat of Quran generally is not shirk. Also, it is used if a muslim is at dangerous places like around wild animals, bushes or evil jinn infested area. Areas like these, some people are fearful and forget to recite ayah. There are however conditions for using taweez. You can not enter the bathroom with it while on your body. You can not have it on your body if you are actively part of the undertakers at the jazana (i:e touching the deceased person). You can not have it on your body during intercourse. Although we tend to forget sometimes. That's fine. That's not deliberate act.

So what happens if you have it on your body and you enter bathroom, it will disappear. The same is true of other forbidden places i mentioned. This is haqiqa. This goes to show you that Allah's Names are powerful. It will not remain in filthy areas. So if someone has it on his body, he/she must know that it is Allah that protects him not taweez in itself. But overall, recitation and memorization of Quran is what should be encouraged. So if it is haram to place Allah's Names on the body, there is no difference btw that and memorizing it bcus memorization sinks in the body, too. So this school of thought you posted is most likely Hambali. Check out Maliki, Hanafi and Shafi'i schools. Most of them allowed it with conditions.

Let me give you one practical example to show you how Allah's Names are so powerful. If you have taweez on your body with ayah of Quran or Allah's Names on it and some known enemies are pursuing you or surveillance of you and are close to harm you, they are fearful to reach or touch you by the time they get close to you. It is like magnetic force and they look like dummy. But i definitely discourage those who act if their life depend on it if it is not on them. Example of this was a brother i met in New York last yr. He is from one of these african countries. While we were chatting at a supermarket, he starting patting down his pockets as if he lost money. I asked him if there is a problem?. He said "yes, brother. I might lost taweez given to me from back home. My mind just went there now". I said you should have memorized some of the ayat either for protection or sickness. I don't know which one exactly was taweez he used. He does appeared to be sick from the way i see him. So i told him instead of worrying about taweez, by now he can easily continue with recitation if it is that urgent.

So i dont believe for a second that taweez containing ayah of Quran or Allah is Names is shirk. Do google search and you will see lots of arguments for and against taweez.

Empiree:
You can see the commentary you ran below the hadith is opinion and understanding of section of people. Scholars have already divided taweez. But i understand the reason why scholars opposing taweez with ayah of Quran said so. They simply used precautions. Again, taweez containing phrases, names, recitation other than Allah is what the hadith called shirk bcus those arabs at the time used names other than Allah's Names.


It is true that memorization is always the best but not everyone can memorize. So if taweez with ayat of Quran is shirk, then it will always be shirk even if it is used for sick person or baby. There is hadith that say taweez is allowed for baby and sick person and this taweez only contains Allah's Names, Quran or hadith, nothing more. I have told you before that scholars differ on taweez containing Quran or ayat of Quran or God's Names. The only dangerous part is that some people may rely on it as if, if it is not on their body, they not gonna feel safe. This is nonsense. But taweez with ayat of Quran generally is not shirk. Also, it is used if a muslim is at dangerous places like around wild animals, bushes or evil jinn infested area. Areas like these, some people are fearful and forget to recite ayah. There are however conditions for using taweez. You can not enter the bathroom with it while on your body. You can not have it on your body if you are actively part of the undertakers at the jazana (i:e touching the deceased person). You can not have it on your body during intercourse. Although we tend to forget sometimes. That's fine. That's not deliberate act.

So what happens if you have it on your body and you enter bathroom, it will disappear. The same is true of other forbidden places i mentioned. This is haqiqa. This goes to show you that Allah's Names are powerful. It will not remain in filthy areas. So if someone has it on his body, he/she must know that it is Allah that protects him not taweez in itself. But overall, recitation and memorization of Quran is what should be encouraged. So if it is haram to place Allah's Names on the body, there is no difference btw that and memorizing it bcus memorization sinks in the body, too. So this school of thought you posted is most likely Hambali. Check out Maliki, Hanafi and Shafi'i schools. Most of them allowed it with conditions.

Let me give you one practical example to show you how Allah's Names are so powerful. If you have taweez on your body with ayah of Quran or Allah's Names on it and some known enemies are pursuing you or surveillance of you and are close to harm you, they are fearful to reach or touch you by the time they get close to you. It is like magnetic force and they look like dummy. But i definitely discourage those who act if their life depend on it if it is not on them. Example of this was a brother i met in New York last yr. He is from one of these african countries. While we were chatting at a supermarket, he starting patting down his pockets as if he lost money. I asked him if there is a problem?. He said "yes, brother. I might lost taweez given to me from back home. My mind just went there now". I said you should have memorized some of the ayat either for protection or sickness. I don't know which one exactly was taweez he used. He does appeared to be sick from the way i see him. So i told him instead of worrying about taweez, by now he can easily continue with recitation if it is that urgent.

So i dont believe for a second that taweez containing ayah of Quran or Allah is Names is shirk. Do google search and you will see lots of arguments for and against taweez.

I have already come to a conclusion Alhamdulillah, I always try to avoid fitnah as much as possible because these are scholars opinions not that of the rasool if that hadith is really authentic the messenger of Allah S.A.W would have used it for Hassan or Hussein R.A. This my understanding as a Salafi I choose the best opinion from any school of thought.

najib632:
I have already come to a conclusion Alhamdulillah, I always try to avoid fitnah as much as possible because these are scholars opinions not that of the rasool if that hadith is really authentic the messenger of Allah S.A.W would have used it for Hassan or Hussein R.A. This my understanding as a Salafi I choose the best opinion from any school of thought.

Not sure if you understood my post. Using taweez on baby or sick person is Hadith of the prophet (saw) in sahih bukhari not scholars' opinion. Unless y want to declare the hadith fake. Please look for the Hadith.

As for using taweez on Hasan and Hussein(ra), Nabi (saw) didn't have to. He's beyond afterall, taweez is not as nowadays as it used to be because conditions changed.

najib632:
No I don't anything about him.

this is Sheikh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory (ra) he's talking about.

https://www.nairaland.com/2042359/shaykh-adam-abdullah-al-ilory

najib632:
You're slandering me, I never acted in away that shows that I prefer madhab over RasululLah S.A.W, which sane Muslim will do that? It seems you're not paying attention to what I am saying? Remember I told you that I am Salafi because I hate the idea of school of thoughts being divided. Didn't it occur to you that I want to see the ahlul-Sunnah United and that we follow opinions that have more backing from the Sunnah of the prophet S.A.W? This Imam that their students fromed schools of thought were they shia or Mu'atazila, or Khawarij? No they are all Sunni. Is it not the same Imam Ahmad that saved aqeeda despite suffering persecution you're calling a kafir? Did we Salafis exist then? We formed to unite the ahlul-sunah and And the entire Muslim ummah not to condemn people that worked hard for Islam. Imam Ahmad gathered Most of the authentic hadith of the prophet Muhammad S.A.W he also dedicated his life in detecting fabricated hadith and you call him a kafir? Imam Ahmad that was one of the teachers of Imam Al-Bukhari and you call him a kafir? Imam Abu Hanifa that dedicated his life time to the Sharia and you call him kafir? Ibn Qayim R. Is a Hanbali, would you also call him a kafir? This were men that sacrificed their lives to protect Islam from innovators of falsehood and people that lie against the messenger of Allah and you call them Kufar? It's because of extremism of The Sunni that lead to other opinions being lost and lead to the rise of we Salafis. Stop being an extremist.

Kindly quote where i call those imam kufar..


Abu haneefa is already a kafir.. He died a kafir . He was khawarij and murjiah.. . Although he fall into calling Quran creation of Allah.. ... ... But he rojjah on that but not the rest

Laughing ..


Empiree agbako sufi .

Mr plain kafir

Mr jalabi



...


I dey see how you are putting innovation into his head..
You are already drawing him in..


Let's see where una go Land

Abuheekmat:
Laughing ..


Em.piree agbako sufi .

Mr plain kafir

Mr jalabi



...


I dey see how you are putting innovation into his head..
You are already drawing him in..


Let's see where una go Land

I have pretty much avoided you because I know for a fact that you are very ignorant. You have been challenged on this platform several times when it comes to knowledge. The least you could do was copy and past and dropped addresses.

Anyways, as I said to you before months ago that you will eventually regret your utterances yrs to come. You might be a kafir now without knowing. You lack intellect and you are definitely not following Sunnah. You are fake.

You call everyone kafif. So ponder on this hadith.


Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

A strong believer is better and is more lovable to Allah than a weak believer, and there is good in everyone, (but) cherish that which gives you benefit (in the Hereafter) and seek help from Allah and do not lose heart, and if anything (in the form of trouble) comes to you, do not say: If I had not done that, it would not have happened so and what but had said to do and your "if" opens the (gate) for the Satan.


So if Nabi said there is good in every muslim regardless of how weak or astray they are, who are you to call them kufar?.

Also think about the Hadith in the attachment and one of your scholars.

Empiree:
I have pretty much avoided you because I know for a fact that you are very ignorant. You have been challenged on this platform several times when it comes to knowledge. The least you could do was copy and past and dropped addresses.

Anyways, as I said to you before months ago that you will eventually regret your utterances yrs to come. You might be a kafir now without knowing. You lack intellect and you are definitely not following Sunnah. You are fake.

You call everyone kafif. So ponder on this hadith.


Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

A strong believer is better and is more lovable to Allah than a weak believer, and there is good in everyone, (but) cherish that which gives you benefit (in the Hereafter) and seek help from Allah and do not lose heart, and if anything (in the form of trouble) comes to you, do not say: If I had not done that, it would not have happened so and what but had said to do and your "if" opens the (gate) for the Satan.


So if Nabi said there is good in every muslim regardless of how weak or astray they are, who are you to call them kufar?.

Also think about the Hadith in the attachment and one of your scholars.

Ehn you are not a Muslim fa .
You are Sufi..

Empiree:
I have pretty much avoided you because I know for a fact that you are very ignorant. You have been challenged on this platform several times when it comes to knowledge. The least you could do was copy and past and dropped addresses.

Anyways, as I said to you before months ago that you will eventually regret your utterances yrs to come. You might be a kafir now without knowing. You lack intellect and you are definitely not following Sunnah. You are fake.

You call everyone kafif. So ponder on this hadith.


Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

A strong believer is better and is more lovable to Allah than a weak believer, and there is good in everyone, (but) cherish that which gives you benefit (in the Hereafter) and seek help from Allah and do not lose heart, and if anything (in the form of trouble) comes to you, do not say: If I had not done that, it would not have happened so and what but had said to do and your "if" opens the (gate) for the Satan.


So if Nabi said there is good in every muslim regardless of how weak or astray they are, who are you to call them kufar?.

Also think about the Hadith in the attachment and one of your scholars.

Amubieya is a kafir fa.

.
He sujud to greet
He added his own law into ruqya sharihiya . Turned ruqya to reciting into water, added his own verses , told people listening to his lecture on ruqya on radio to put water beside their radio as he is reciting the ruqya
He respects and praise agbako sufi baba lagbeni
He's friends with mssn, tmc and other sects
Sheik al muhadith abu Abdul rahaman Muhammad Awwal Ali jabata is a khawarij to him.. He kafara a Muslim
He supports democracy
And nobody can become a kafir in his own manhaj. No kafir among Muslims
Baba adama and others are Muslims to him. .


How many I want to count ...




And kindly ask those questions you said you asked me that am dropping links for you again here..

If you don't tell lie, how will you look innocent

Abuheekmat:




Amubieya is a kafir fa.

.
He sujud to greet
He added his own law into ruqya sharihiya . Turned ruqya to reciting into water, added his own verses , told people listening to his lecture on ruqya on radio to put water beside their radio as he is reciting the ruqya
He respects and praise agbako sufi baba lagbeni
He's friends with mssn, tmc and other sects
Sheik al muhadith abu Abdul rahaman Muhammad Awwal Ali jabata is a khawarij to him.. He kafara a Muslim
He supports democracy
And nobody can become a kafir in his own manhaj. No kafir among Muslims
Baba adama and others are Muslims to him. .


How many I want to count ...




And kindly ask those questions you said you asked me that am dropping links for you again here..

If you don't tell lie, how will you look innocent

This is why i dont waste my time with you. You don't make sense. So in your mind it is haram to recite Quran over water?. Seriously you need to get offline and enrol in standard islamic college. You dont know jack. One thing is to be ignorant and be willing to learn. Another thing is to be ignorant and arrogant at the same time. Your case is later. Even of a thousand ahadith are presented to you you gonna deny them just bcus "he is a sufi".

Empiree:
This is why i dont waste my time with you. You don't make sense. So in your mind it is haram to recite Quran over water?. Seriously you need to get offline and enrol in standard islamic college. You dont know jack. One thing is to be ignorant and be willing to learn. Another thing is to be ignorant and arrogant at the same time. Your case is later. Even of a thousand ahadith are presented to you you gonna deny them just bcus "he is a sufi".

See your life.. I don't expect you to understand though. . You are not a Muslim..


Let me teach you..


Shahadah.. It means to believe in Allah and to believe in rosul.



Anything and everything that concerns ibaadah (act of worship) ..

You must do it with the will of using it to please Allah.. (that's exactly why riyah is kufru)
You must do the ibaadah (act of worship) exactly how rosul did it. .( that's exactly why bidaah is kufru)


..
Whoever misses any of these 2..

His or her deed is null and void.


KULU BIDAH DOLALA ..


so find and quote hadith where rosul recited Quran verses into water ... Or where rosul recited ruqya into water..



Agbako ni e se

Empiree:
This is why i dont waste my time with you. You don't make sense. So in your mind it is haram to recite Quran over water?. Seriously you need to get offline and enrol in standard islamic college. You dont know jack. One thing is to be ignorant and be willing to learn. Another thing is to be ignorant and arrogant at the same time. Your case is later. Even of a thousand ahadith are presented to you you gonna deny them just bcus "he is a sufi".

It's sufi and every sect that rejects quran and hadith ..........
..

Abuheekmat:




See your life.. I don't expect you to understand though. . You are not a Muslim..


Let me teach you..


Shahadah.. It means to believe in Allah and to believe in rosul.



Anything and everything that concerns ibaadah (act of worship) ..

You must do it with the will of using it to please Allah.. (that's exactly why riyah is kufru)
You must do the ibaadah (act of worship) exactly how rosul did it. .( that's exactly why bidaah is kufru)


..
Whoever misses any of these 2..

His or her deed is null and void.


KULU BIDAH DOLALA ..


so find and quote hadith where rosul recited Quran verses into water ... Or where rosul recited ruqya into water..



Agbako ni e se

Go and seek knowledge buddy. I will just post you your own Salafi scholars. This is a 1min video of one of your Salafi scholars talking about permmisibility of reciting ruqya in water


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIn_GBlocjI

Now your great scholars such as ibn Qayyum (ra) speaking on the permmisibility of of reciting Quran in water. Declare them kufar now.

Empiree:
Go and seek knowledge buddy. I will just post you your own Salafi scholars. This is a 1min video of one of your Salafi scholars talking about permmisibility of reciting ruqya in water


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIn_GBlocjI

Now your great scholars such as ibn Qayyum (ra) speaking on the permmisibility of of reciting Quran in water. Declare them kufar now.

Laughing. .


First thing First..

We Muslims do not do taqleed of our alfa. . We are not sufi. It's in sufi religion that you will always blind follow your shehu shehu ..

..
First thing First.. Muslims do not belief anything a kafir say.. It's inline with Quran suratul hujrah verse 7..

Never to belief anything from a faasiq ..


And before i check those hadith..

There are shurrot of accepting hadith sahabah on a masail..


..
1. That there's hadith that rosul did it
2. That other sahabahs also did that act.


.

An athar from a sahabah isn't dalil until..

..
We see rosul did it
That other sahabahs didn't do different than the sahabahs..




..
Sho ti ye

Abuheekmat:




Laughing. .


First thing First..

We Muslims do not do taqleed of our alfa. . We are not sufi. It's in sufi religion that you will always blind follow your shehu shehu ..

..
First thing First.. Muslims do not belief anything a kafir say.. It's inline with Quran suratul hujrah verse 7..

Never to belief anything from a faasiq ..


And before i check those hadith..

There are shurrot of accepting hadith sahabah on a masail..


..
1. That there's hadith that rosul did it
2. That other sahabahs also did that act.


.

An athar from a sahabah isn't dalil until..

..
We see rosul did it
That other sahabahs didn't do different than the sahabahs..




..
Sho ti ye

So Sheikh Assim Al-Hakim is a kafir?. Imam Ibn Qayyim is a kafir, abi?. My post didn't mention anything about sufi. You simply kafara your own salaf. Go and learn mr. plumber java phone.

These are your other Salafi scholars. Declare them kufar for allowing recitation of Quran over water. These are not Sufis and this has nothing to do with Sufism.

Now make takfir of your scholars. Go ahead please.

Empiree:
So Sheikh Assim Al-Hakim is a kafir?. Imam Ibn Qayyim is a kafir, abi?. My post didn't mention anything about sufi. You simply kafara your own salaf. Go and learn mr. plumber java phone.

These are your other Salafi scholars. Declare them kufar for allowing recitation of Quran over water. These are not Sufis and this has nothing to do with Sufism.

Now make takfir of your scholars. Go ahead please.

Be like say you are blind and as well dumb..


You can't differenciate between taqleed and salafs mistakes. .

Of course you won't know.


Point out where i make takfeer of sheik ibn qayim ..(rohimahulah)


It's only rosul that cannot make mistakes in matters of deen.. Sahabahs and their predecessors can..

And thank exactly what my explanations was based upon ..

Empiree:
So Sheikh Assim Al-Hakim is a kafir?. Imam Ibn Qayyim is a kafir, abi?. My post didn't mention anything about sufi. You simply kafara your own salaf. Go and learn mr. plumber java phone.

These are your other Salafi scholars. Declare them kufar for allowing recitation of Quran over water. These are not Sufis and this has nothing to do with Sufism.

Now make takfir of your scholars. Go ahead please.

You are a big fool....

Because my beautiful adorable and knowledgeable salafs said something is permissible in islam makes it permissible?

Laughing .

Our sweet scholars told us never to follow their fatawa that has no dalil from kitab wa sunnah.


Where is their dalil from kitab wa sunnah ..
Huh..


When you are not a Muslim, how will you understand Islam


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Abuheekmat:


Be like say you are blind and as well dumb..


You can't differenciate between taqleed and salafs mistakes. .

Of course you won't know.


Point out where i make takfeer of sheik ibn qayim ..(rohimahulah)


It's only rosul that cannot make mistakes in matters of deen.. Sahabahs and their predecessors can..

And thank exactly what my explanations was based upon ..

so if Salafi scholars do what prophet (saw) didn't do, it is mistake?. But if Sufi do what prophet (saw) didn't do they are alhubidiah?. You are hypocrite.

Sorry, you are not my teacher. Reciting Quran over water is allowed. Your scholars allowed it but I don't need their permmision to know it is permmisibile.

Abuheekmat:





You are a big fool....

Because my beautiful adorable and knowledgeable salafs said something is permissible in islam makes it permissible?

Laughing .

Our sweet scholars told us never to follow their fatawa that has no dalil from kitab wa sunnah.


Where is their dalil from kitab wa sunnah ..
Huh..


When you are not a Muslim, how will you understand Islam


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don't derail. Make takfir of them now because you labelled Sufi scholars kufar for the same thing. So what's stopping you from making takfir of your Salafi scholars?. Why are you giving them excuses?. You are munafiq and ignorant.

According to you, whoever do we Nabi Muhammad (saw) didn't do is on dolal and kulu bidiat dolal. So why don't you dolal those Salafi scholars for permitting reciting Quran over water?

Empiree:
so if Salafi scholars do what prophet (saw) didn't do, it is mistake?. But if Sufi do what prophet (saw) didn't do they are alhubidiah?. You are hypocrite.

Sorry, you are not my teacher. Reciting Quran over water is allowed. Your scholars allowed it but I don't need their permmision to know it is permmisibile.

Sufi were never Muslim
Sufi are always defending their kufru with taawil of kitab wa sunnah
Their kufru is intentional and they would die defending it..
Look at the years you have being a sufi.. Despite clear proof that rosul wasn't a sufi, sahabahs wasn't a sufi. . That's enough for you to abandon your kufru..


Sufi just emerged ni. . Sufi group just started ni fa..

Khawarij .
Shia
Ashaira
Qodariyah
Maturidiyah
Fathimiyah.
Mutazila
..

And so many other groups were before sufi was created fa. .


Stop saying nonsense o.. .

Empiree:
don't derail. Make takfir of them now because you labelled Sufi scholars kufar for the same thing. So what's stopping you from making takfir of your Salafi scholars?. Why are you giving them excuses?. You are munafiq and ignorant

Laughing..
Our scholars have already told us never to accept any of their fatawa that has no dalil.

And whoever does that is a kafir.

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Abuheekmat:




Sufi were never Muslim
Sufi are always defending their kufru with taawil of kitab wa sunnah
Their kufru is intentional and they would die defending it..
Look at the years you have being a sufi.. Despite clear proof that rosul wasn't a sufi, sahabahs wasn't a sufi. . That's enough for you to abandon your kufru..


Sufi just emerged ni. . Sufi group just started ni fa..

Khawarij .
Shia
Ashaira
Qodariyah
Maturidiyah
Fathimiyah.
Mutazila
..

And so many other groups were before sufi was created fa. .


Stop saying nonsense o.. .

ode. Sufi just emerged? Olodo

Abuheekmat:



Laughing..
Our scholars have already told us never to accept any of their fatawa that has no dalil.

And whoever does that is a kafir.

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no don't change. This is what you did to others without giving them excuses. So why did you give excuses to your scholars?. Sufi scholars like sheik Ahmad Tijjani (ra) said the same too, that no one should follow him if they see any of his practices sayings that is not in the Sunnah. Yet you called him kafir. You are a munafiq

Wallohi whoever dies on other than manhaj of rosul would suffer in death , in grave and would burn in hell forever..

No excuse of ignorance in aqeedah.


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Is it rosul that told you to join sufi or any other group claiming Muslims?
Is it rosul that told you to learn majahz
Is it rosul that told you to use majahz to change the attributes of Allah . e.g. Hand
Is it rosul that told you to be making tawasul with his name, angel name, jinn name and your keferi sheik name ?.
Did he told you to be calling upon the dead to help you?
Did he told you to worship grave ?
Did he told you to be using tesubah? ..
Did he told you Allah is everywhere in his presence?



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Too many to mention. .


.walohi you are not a Muslim. You are a sufi . A kafir .A zindiq, A mubtedih

Empiree:
no don't change. This is what you did to others without going them excuses. So why did you give excuses to your scholars?. Sufi scholars like sheik Ahmad Tijjani (ra) said the same too, that no one should follow them if they see any of his practicesr sayings that is not in the Sunnah. Yet you called him kafir. You are a munafiq

Ahmad tijani (lahanahu Allah alaehi)..

He died a kafir
He died a sufi.
He died a jalabi
He died a magician..
He died an oloribu somebody
He died without repenting from oriburuku agbako nonsense manhaj that he call you to.




Fine, now that you know every single thing that oloribu said is against islam..

Why do you still follow him?