Empiree:
ode. Sufi just emerged? Olodo

Tell me when sufi emerged .


Even Ashaira and shia that you people steal their manhaj to form yours has been existing immemorial..

Sufi sese de ni

Empiree:
don't derail. Make takfir of them now because you labelled Sufi scholars kufar for the same thing. So what's stopping you from making takfir of your Salafi scholars?. Why are you giving them excuses?. You are munafiq and ignorant.

According to you, whoever do we Nabi Muhammad (saw) didn't do it on dolal and kulu bidiat dolal. So why don't you dolal those Salafi scholars for permitting reciting Quran over water?

1. There's conditions of making takfeer. (mistake, forgetfulness and if they are forced) .. And non of these conditions is met on them

2. They have already said we should never follow their fatawa that has no dalil from kitab wa sunnah with understanding of the sahabahs

Abuheekmat:


1. There's conditions of making takfeer. (mistake, forgetfulness and if they are forced) .. And non of these conditions is met on them

and you small boy who called yourself plumber is qualified to make takfir of them?

2. They have already said we should never follow their fatawa that has no dalil from kitab wa sunnah with understanding of the sahabahs

but your sheik Albany corrected Sayyidina Umar ibn Khattab (ra) on talaq I think. Why did he follow him instead of correcting sahabi?.

And prove to us where these scholars said you should never follow them if their fatwa go against kitab and sunnah?. Where is proof of that?.

Empiree:
and you small boy who called yourself plumber is qualified to make takfir of them?


but your sheik Albany corrected Sayyidina Umar ibn Khattab (ra) on talaq I think. Why did he follow him instead of correcting sahabi?.

And prove to us where these scholars said you should never follow them if their fatwa go against kitab and sunnah?. Where is proof of that?.

You are eager to learn.. I can see that. .

08134015464..

Message me on whatsapp . I would send you lectures on TAKFEER , SUFI AND HOW TO TAKE DALIL IN ISLAM

Empiree:
and you small boy who called yourself plumber is qualified to make takfir of them?


but your sheik Albany corrected Sayyidina Umar ibn Khattab (ra) on talaq I think. Why did he follow him instead of correcting sahabi?.

And prove to us where these scholars said you should never follow them if their fatwa go against kitab and sunnah?. Where is proof of that?.

As long as you are a Muslim and you have knowledge of knowing kufru and how to call kafir a kafir . No problem..

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Our sheik corrected umar with dalil from rosul. . We followed rosul not our scholar.

And on where they said we should not follow them.. Get sifatu solah nabiy by al bany .

You will see it there

Abuheekmat:


You are eager to learn.. I can see that. .

08134015464..

Message me on whatsapp . I would send you lectures on TAKFEER , SUFI AND HOW TO TAKE DALIL IN ISLAM

Nonsense!

Abuheekmat:



As long as you are a Muslim and you have knowledge of knowing kufru and how to call kafir a kafir . No problem..

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Our sheik corrected umar with dalil from rosul. . We followed rosul not our scholar.

And on where they said we should not follow them.. Get sifatu solah nabiy by al bany .

You will see it there

You are already cornered. You dont know rosul(saw) without knowing your shuyukh and Imams. You can't just tell us you glean dalil from rosul without proper methodology. You failed woefully to takfir your oga at the top for something you declared kufr of others for. This is a proof that you are not only ignorant but also a munafiq. Sheikh Albany(ra) corrected Umar(ra) and you are here telling me bogus story. Why didnt you invoke nabi (saw) where he said "follow my sunnah and sunnah of my khulafa rashideen" when Albany corrected Umar?.

Your hypocrisy stinks. People are reading this. It is obvious that you are partisan. Yet you condemn sects and egbe as you called them. But you are in fact, one of the egbe and sects

Empiree:
You are already cornered. You dont know rosul(saw) without knowing your shuyukh and Imams. You can't just tell us you glean dalil from rosul without proper methodology. You failed woefully to takfir your oga at the top for something you declared kufr of others for. This is a proof that you are not only ignorant but also a munafiq. Sheikh Albany(ra) corrected Umar(ra) and you are here telling me bogus story. Why didnt you invoke nabi (saw) where he said "follow my sunnah and sunnah of my khulafa rashideen" when Albany corrected Umar?.

Your hypocrisy stinks. People are reading this. It is obvious that you are partisan. Yet you condemn sects and egbe as you called them. But you are in fact, one of the egbe and sects

Eti e di ni
Abi oju e fo
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Are you blind or deaf ?


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Am I going to make takfeer of my sheik al baany because he correct umar ??


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Rosul said we are to follow his sahabahs..
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It doesn't mean we should follow them in their mistakes..


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Follow Allah, follow rosul. It's only rosul that can never make mistakes in matter of deen. .


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Why is that so Hard for you to comprehend.

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Empiree:
Nonsense!

Laughing out loud

Abuheekmat:



Eti e di ni
Abi oju e fo
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Are you blind or deaf ?


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[b]Am I going to make takfeer of my sheik al baany[/b]because he correct umar ??


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Rosul said we are to follow his sahabahs..
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It doesn't mean we should follow them in their mistakes..


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Follow Allah, follow rosul. It's only rosul that can never make mistakes in matter of deen. .


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Why is that so Hard for you to comprehend.

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bolded is the point. You can't make takfir because you belong to the same sect. But if others do the same you make takfir because you are not in the same sect. Your case is clear. And you gonna tell me that you are not supporting sect.


So your saying that "kulu bidiat kufr" is nothing but partisan and ife inu.

Empiree:
bolded is the point. You can't make takfir because you belong to the same sect. But if others do the same you make takfir because you are not in the same sect. Your case is clear. And you gonna tell me that you are not supporting sect.


So your saying that "kulu bidiat kufr" is nothing but bipartisan and ife inu.

Who did I kafara with ife inu?
Who should i kafara?


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In fact.. You are confused fellow

Abuheekmat:



Who did I kafara with ife inu?
Who should i kafara?


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In fact.. You are confused fellow

kafara yourself and your family

Abuheekmat:




Kindly quote where i call those imam kufar..


Abu haneefa is already a kafir.. He died a kafir . He was khawarij and murjiah.. . Although he fall into calling Quran creation of Allah.. ... ... But he rojjah on that but not the rest

You have no shame brother, I swear by Allah your speech show signs of ignorance in the history of Islam at a very critical level. This man is a predecessor and say he's Kafir? This is the same man that the Khawarij wanted to kill because he preached against them and you call him a kafir? This was the same man that a khawarijite wanted to kill when they were inside a masjid because of his stance with Ali R.A. choice of choosing someone he knows as his trustee, and then this man you're insulting said to the Khawarij that he should choose a witness from the crowd for he is about to make a statement, the Khawarij then chose his fellow Khawarij then the Imam told him that he what he did is exactly what Ali R. A. did then the idiots left in shame and you call him a kafir? Wether you like it or not as a salafi if you want to study Shari'a law you must learn from his works, you and all the extremists that condemn him will never ever be as pious as he is. May Allah have mercy upon the Salaf and Khalaf, may Allah guide us and grant us knowledge of the deen may Allah save the Muslims from unqualified scholars and teachers and blind following, may Allah unite the ummah, Ameen.

Empiree:
Not sure if you understood my post. Using taweez on baby or sick person is Hadith of the prophet (saw) in sahih bukhari not scholars' opinion. Unless y want to declare the hadith fake. Please look for the Hadith.

As for using taweez on Hasan and Hussein(ra), Nabi (saw) didn't have to. He's beyond afterall, taweez is not as nowadays as it used to be because conditions changed.

I will have to do more research, and find out if the number of the hadith of condemning ta'awiz is higher or if it's lesser, and find out the safest side. You know the khalaf are safe while the khalaf have more knowledge. This is because a salafi always takes the opinion of the predecessor while the khalaf try to translate, if they're successful then they have gained more knowledge and if they're wrong the it will be a spike for them on judgement day.
Smiling... I choose to be safe

najib632:
You have no shame brother, I swear by Allah your speech show signs of ignorance in the history of Islam at a very critical level. This man is a predecessor and say he's Kafir? This is the same man that the Khawarij wanted to kill because he preached against them and you call him a kafir? This was the same man that a khawarijite wanted to kill when they were inside a masjid because of his stance with Ali R.A. choice of choosing someone he knows as his trustee, and then this man you're insulting said to the Khawarij that he should choose a witness from the crowd for he is about to make a statement, the Khawarij then chose his fellow Khawarij then the Imam told him that he what he did is exactly what Ali R. A. did then the idiots left in shame and you call him a kafir? Wether you like it or not as a salafi if you want to study Shari'a law you must learn from his works, you and all the extremists that condemn him will never ever be as pious as he is. May Allah have mercy upon the Salaf and Khalaf, may Allah guide us and grant us knowledge of the deen may Allah save the Muslims from unqualified scholars and teachers and blind following, may Allah unite the ummah, Ameen.

Smiling.. Seriously speaking . You are far from knowledge. Wallohi..

Sheik Muqbil Al Yammani wrote a book on Abu Haneefa and his kufru deeds..

Abu Haneefa was called kafir during his life time by the salafs..

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Let me point out your dolal for you.

You follow school of thought . You don't follow rosul. . That's exactly your problem .

Empiree:
kafara yourself and your family

Laughing

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najib632:
You have no shame brother, I swear by Allah your speech show signs of ignorance in the history of Islam at a very critical level. This man is a predecessor and say he's Kafir? This is the same man that the Khawarij wanted to kill because he preached against them and you call him a kafir? This was the same man that a khawarijite wanted to kill when they were inside a masjid because of his stance with Ali R.A. choice of choosing someone he knows as his trustee, and then this man you're insulting said to the Khawarij that he should choose a witness from the crowd for he is about to make a statement, the Khawarij then chose his fellow Khawarij then the Imam told him that he what he did is exactly what Ali R. A. did then the idiots left in shame and you call him a kafir? Wether you like it or not as a salafi if you want to study Shari'a law you must learn from his works, you and all the extremists that condemn him will never ever be as pious as he is. May Allah have mercy upon the Salaf and Khalaf, may Allah guide us and grant us knowledge of the deen may Allah save the Muslims from unqualified scholars and teachers and blind following, may Allah unite the ummah, Ameen.

Shaykh muqbil bin Hadi al-Wadi’i’ has written a 400 page book entitled “Nashr al-Sahifa fi Dhikr al-Sahih min Aqwal A’immat al-Jarh wa al-Ta`dil fi Abi Hanifa” which is jam-packed with criticism on Abu Hanifa from the Salaf. There are over 100 reports from the Salaf which state that Abu Hanifa was unreliable, especially when it came to the field of Hadith and muqbil provides authenticated isnads for all of these reports.

najib632:
You have no shame brother, I swear by Allah your speech show signs of ignorance in the history of Islam at a very critical level. This man is a predecessor and say he's Kafir? This is the same man that the Khawarij wanted to kill because he preached against them and you call him a kafir? This was the same man that a khawarijite wanted to kill when they were inside a masjid because of his stance with Ali R.A. choice of choosing someone he knows as his trustee, and then this man you're insulting said to the Khawarij that he should choose a witness from the crowd for he is about to make a statement, the Khawarij then chose his fellow Khawarij then the Imam told him that he what he did is exactly what Ali R. A. did then the idiots left in shame and you call him a kafir? Wether you like it or not as a salafi if you want to study Shari'a law you must learn from his works, you and all the extremists that condemn him will never ever be as pious as he is. May Allah have mercy upon the Salaf and Khalaf, may Allah guide us and grant us knowledge of the deen may Allah save the Muslims from unqualified scholars and teachers and blind following, may Allah unite the ummah, Ameen.

Kitab sunnah wa roddu ala jahmiyyah by iman abdul amal abdullah wa imam ahmad ibn anbal . . this tira has a dedicated chapter to comprehensive and detailed dolal of abu hanifa ... AND MAKE SURE THE TIRA YOU WILL CHECK FOR REFENCE DOES HAVE ABU ANIFA CHAPTER . . THE TIRA HAS BEEN RFPRINTED WITH ABU HANIFA CHAPTER REMOVED. . COUPLED WITH IT IS THE SALAFS THAT LIVED IN SAME ERA AS ABU HANIFA COMMENTS AND RODDU ON ABU HANIFA . . . ALSO CHECK THE TIRA CALLED "MUSONAF ABU SHEBAH" . .has compilation of all the hadiths abu hanifa rejected . .over 400 hadiths . . 2. mia wa arbata ashar, wa sita ashar is the page number where you will see the chapter of abu haneefa . . . sheik muqbil in yaman also wrote a detailed tira on abu haneefa. . "nashr al - shafia fi dhikr al - sahih min aqwal a'immat al - jarh wa al - ta'alil fi abi anifa" written by sheik muqbi

Abuheekmat:



Smiling.. Seriously speaking . You are far from knowledge. Wallohi..

Sheik Muqbil Al Yammani wrote a book on Abu Haneefa and his kufru deeds..

Abu Haneefa was called kafir during his life time by the salafs..

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Let me point out your dolal for you.

You follow school of thought . You don't follow rosul. . That's exactly your problem .

Come and force me to follow school of thought naa... Even the salafism you're following now broke out from the Hanbali school of thought, that's the business of the people who claim that Allah has given them the right to call someone a kafir, tell me an instance where he was accused of doing shirk or on the verge of committing shirk, or where he disbelieved in the articles of faith or the pillars of Islam. For all I care I always repeat to you, these people condemning Imam Abu Hanifa are not even close to him in knowledge and even if they were why did their students let their ways die out if they're really good as long as I care Allah has chosen to preserve the Sunnah of the Rasul S.A.W through the four Imams, some of his opinions might be wrong but he's definitely not kafir, and they might even be government scholars because I must make sure I do a thorough background check on all of them that you mentioned. I know that Imam Abu Hanifa stood against the tyrant ruler then.

najib632:
Come and force me to follow school of thought naa... Even the salafism you're following now broke out from the Hanbali school of thought, that's the business of the people who claim that Allah has given them the right to call someone a kafir, tell me an instance where he was accused of doing shirk or on the verge of committing shirk, or where he disbelieved in the articles of faith or the pillars of Islam. For all I care I always repeat to you, these people condemning Imam Abu Hanifa are not even close to him in knowledge and even if they were why did their students let their ways die out if they're really good as long as I care Allah has chosen to preserve the Sunnah of the Rasul S.A.W through the four Imams, some of his opinions might be wrong but he's definitely not kafir, and they might even be government scholars because I must make sure I do a thorough background check on all of them that you mentioned. I know that Imam Abu Hanifa stood against the tyrant ruler then.

Laughing ..

Madhabiyah will destroy you

Abuheekmat:




Kindly quote where i call those imam kufar..


Abu haneefa is already a kafir.. He died a kafir . He was khawarij and murjiah.. . Although he fall into calling Quran creation of Allah.. ... ... But he rojjah on that but not the rest

Subhanallah
Please get off your butt and start searching for knowledge.

Peace be upon you


Allah says “That was a nation which has
passed on. It will have [the consequence of]
what it earned, and you will have what you
have earned. And you will not be asked about
what they used to do .[al Baqarah ayah 134]

The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said , “Don’t abuse the
dead, because they have reached the result
of what they forwarded.
In fact this is command on us that that we
should hide the mistakes of dead and show
the virtues of them.
Prophet peace be upon him said :” Remember
the virtues of your dead and do not touch
there mistakes“

Also see this story,
Aisha ra asked in one of the gatherings
regarding Yazeed bin Qais May Allah curse
him- How is he? ( Note that yazeed bin qais
openly abused Aisha ra and he was leader of
people against Uthman) People said he
died. Listening this Aisha recited
Astaghfar. People said you were criticizing
him and now you are reciting astaghfar, what
does that mean? Aisha repled that Prophet
peace be upon him said: “ Don’t abuse the
dead, because they have reached the result
of what they forwarded .

The words of Sunan abu Dawud are Short:
“When (one of) your companion die then
leave him do not fall behind his faults
Especially, When by abusing the dead living
people feel hurt it is more worse.
Prophet peace be upon him said “ Do not
abuse dead so that living suffer.
By watching these ahadeeth If there is no
reason then it is forbidden to accuse dead. In
fact according to some scholars if by saying
something wrong to Non Muslim dead person
and if it is hurting living people then it is not
allowed to say something against a Kafir
After this tamheed the personality of Imam
Abu Hanifa May Allah be please with him is
disputed among the scholars some of the
scholars accused him due to some issues,
There are some bad things attributed to Imam
Abu Haneefah in the books. On the other hand
some people go to extremes regarding him, If
not by tongue, with their actions they make
their creed that he was Infallible and they
quote fabricated ahadeeth on his virtues. Both
of these ways are rejected according to fair
people of knowledge, The better opinion
regarding Imam (abu haneefa) is that he was
one of the great Imams of Ahlus Sunnah wal
Jamah, Follower of Quran and Sunnah and
servant of Religion of Islam, and the scholar
who defended Islam . He is not free from
mistakes as well as he is not preacher of evil,
kufr and innovation
see.
So In the era of books of trajim,history and
seyar there is consensus of trustworthy
Scholars of Ahlus sunnah, Whoever read the
trustworthy books of history written in 6th and
7th Hijrah and after that he will agree with it.

I am quoting some references here:
Imam ad-Dahabee May Allah be please wil
him said in his Book Tazkaratul Huffadh:
He was devoted, Practicing scholar, the one
who worship, very Prestigious, never
accepted the gifts from Kings but he himself
did business and earn provisions.
Imam ad-Dahabee wrote fifteen pages in his
Seyar al Ailam al Nubala and he wrote only
good about Imam, and he did not mentioned
any word of accusation against him in fact he
did not even mentioned signals that there is
some kalam on Imam, then he wrote in the
end.
Shafiee said: People are children of Abu
Haneefa in fiqh. I say: Fiqh and Deducing
rulings from fiqh is clear from this Imam. This
is something where there is no doubt. (Then
dahabee writes the arabic poetry which
means) Even If there is a need to provide
evidence for emittance of the day, Then
according to the people who have this type of
mind nothing is authentic. Two volumes can
be written on the life of Imam, this was the
life of Imam. May Allah be please with him
and shower his mercy on him. He was
martyred in 150 Hijrah because someone
gave him poison. He was 70 years old at that
time.
2. In the era of Imam ad-Dahabee there is
another Imam who is famous in the works of
Tafsir,Hadeeth and History. I mean Hafiz
Imad ud din Ibne Kathir Rahimullah he writes
in his famous book Al Bidaya wal Nihaya:
Faqeeh of Iraq, one of the scholars of Islam,
One of the leaders of Islam and one of those
who seek, one of the four matbua Imams.
Then he wrote praises of scholars on him in
approximately one page
3. Hafiz Ibne Hajar asqalani Rahimullah wrote
approximately four pages in Tahzeeb at-
Tahzeeb and he only mentioned good about
Imam, he does not mentioned any bad thing
against him. In fact he writes in the end
There are many virtues of Imam Abu Haneefa
May Allah shower his mercy and grant him
pradise ameen.
Note that all of these three scholars we
mentioned are not hanafis, and there is no
doubt in that all those sayings were in front
them in detail from which it is proven insult of
Imam Abu Haneefa, But these scholars did
not point out these sayings in fact leaving of
these all the sayings is the proof, according to
these researchers the sayings are not fit for
The Imam, his knowledge, cautiousness and
taqwa
4. Hafiz as-Suyuti also mentioned him in 5th
tabqa in his book Tabqaat al-Huffaz and he
didn’t quote single word against him
5. In Fact see the co-incidence that Hafiz
Dahabee ra wrote a short book on Tabqat ul
Muhadditheen, in which he wrote the names
of great Muhadditheen and Huffaz, he wrote ”

This book has 27 tabqaat of Muhadditheen,
The heading of 4th tabqa is “Tabqa of Al-
Amash and Abi Haneefa” the name of Abu
Haneefa is in this tabqa of muhadditheen

6. Imam Ibne Khilkaan May Allah be please
with him is the famous Imam and historian of
the 7th Hijrah. He also mentioned only good
about Imam Abu Haneefa May Allah be please
with him in his book “Wafayat al-A’ayan”. He
writes in one place.
He was a practicing Scholar, ascetic
worshiper, devoted Pious , He was always
focused and turned towards Allah Tala
[5/406]
He did not mention single word against him.
In fact he wrote it was better if Khateeb
Baghdadi would not mention those words
against the Imam.
If we mention the quotes of other scholars
then the topic would be too long, We only
quoted five scholars who are trustworthy
according to Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamah,
specially weakness and authenticity of
hadeeth is relied on the works of first three.
Now these scholars did not even quote single
word against the Imam is the evidence that
these sayings against the Imam are worthy to
be left. Allah knows best
This is the manhaj of great scholars of Ahlul
hadeeth and we have
seen our scholars on this manhaj, Shaykh ul
Kul Mian Nazeer Hussain Muhaddith Dehalvi
May Allah be please with him mentioned in
his book “Meyar ul Haq” that Imam Abu
Haneefa May Allah be please with him was his
leader Mujtahid, Follower of Sunnah, Pious
and devoted