Isce:


Until they give you his "No" show you his seat, or better still display hia activities there, thats when it will make sense. Forget it my dear and stick to your believe instead of coming here to argue. That's where your heart lies.

You have made search to keep you blind and it hurt you to see other not convinced, but sorry we are only comparing facts. The only facts you have is wiki and "Lies Lies Lies",
God bless you

Freemason fraternity everywhere - In Europe and America, they publicly responded to inquiries from different people in different continents, about Russell's membership, the Freemasons said the man is not their member neither is he affiliated to them in any way.
Proof - Isce & Shepherd00 are habitually chronic LIARs.

Isce:
Jesus is not Michael the Archangel. The Bible nowhere identifies Jesus as Michael (or any other angel for that matter). Hebrews 1:5-8 draws a clear distinction between Jesus and the angels, “For to which of the angels did God ever say, ‘You are my Son; today I have become your Father’? Or again, ‘I will be His Father, and He will be my Son’? And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says, ‘Let all God's angels worship Him.’ In speaking of the angels He says, ‘He makes his angels winds, his servants flames of fire.’ But about the Son He says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The hierarchy of heaven beings is made clear in this passage—angels worship Jesus who, as God, is alone worthy of worship. No angel is ever worshipped in Scripture; therefore, Jesus (worthy of worship) cannot be Michael or any other angel (not worthy of worship). The angels are called sons of God (Genesis 6:2-4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7), but Jesus is THE Son of God (Hebrews 1:8; Matthew 4:3-6).

Michael the Archangel is perhaps the highest of all the angels. Michael is the only angel in the Bible who is designated “the Archangel” (Jude verse 9). Michael the Archangel, though, is only an angel. He is not God. The clear distinction in the power and authority of Michael and Jesus can be seen in comparing Matthew 4:10 where Jesus rebukes Satan, and Jude verse 9, where Michael the Archangel “dared not bring a judgment of blasphemy” against Satan and calls on the Lord to rebuke him. Jesus is God incarnate (John 1:1,14). Michael the Archangel is a powerful angel, but still only an angel.

Jude1:9 is a quote of Zech 3:2 " Jehovah rebuke you" is the actual statement there. " Lord" is a title, not the name of the "the only true God &Father of Jesus Christ.
Archangel Michael dared not bring abusive condemnation against Satan" Jude1:9.
" away from me Satan" (Matt4:10) is NOT an abusive condemnation.

** To which of the angels did God ever say "You are my Son" today I have become your Father "
Heb1:5 , Is that meaning that angels are not sons of God? No.
Job. 1:6: the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah "
Jehovah elevated Jesus above angels (Heb1:4-6,13 Jesus inherited a name more excellent than that of angels".
Heb1:9 "there God,your God has anointed you with oil of gladness above your companions (angels)"

*** Heb1:4-9,13 says Jehovah elevated Jesus above angels .
Who are Jesus companions in the spiritual realm where he was elevated ? Angels of course!
Jesus is the Archangel leading other angels in battle 2Thes1:7.
1Thes4:16. Matt 24:30,31.

Shepherd00:



Based on the symbols used by Charles, I say he was a Cultist, but you say that him using those symbols doesn't make him a mason because long before the Masons used the symbols, others have used them.

I say show me who did, instead of just posting a link you are here telling me to prove to you that Charles Tass Russel was not a Freemason member.

Lying Pharisees wey no know say the cross symbols inside his church and his house existed long ago even before Jesus came on earth.
Yet your Church buildings were built with occultist designs and shapes , even your house roofing is a pyramid .
You are even more occultist than you care to believe.
You are a bigot indeed.

cc: Isce , read this and receive sense

Janosky:


Lying Pharisee wey no know say the cross symbols inside his church and his house existed long ago even before Jesus came on earth.
Yet your Church buildings were built with occultist designs and shapes , even your house roofing is a pyramid .
You are even more occultist than you care to believe.
You are a bigot indeed.

I'm ashamed on your behalf. You follow a cultist yet you carry your bag about town calling yourself Jehovah's Witnesses.

Did Jehovah ever called anyone His witness?

Shepherd00:

I'm ashamed on your behalf. You follow a cultist yet you carry your bag about town calling yourself Jehovah's Witnesses.

Did Jehovah ever called anyone His witness?

Lol.
You should be ashamed of yourself for lying Pharisee antics & bigotry.

***Jesus witnessed for Jehovah his Father and God (Rev 3:5,12,14. Acts 3:13.).
Every true servant of the Most High God is a Jehovah's witness.
Isaiah 43:10-12. Heb11:1-39. 12:1. Psalms 83:18 ( ASV)

We must continue

Janosky:

Jude1:9 is a quote of Zech 3:2 " Jehovah rebuke you" is the actual statement there. " Lord" is a title, not the name of the "the only true God &Father of Jesus Christ.
Archangel Michael dared not bring abusive condemnation against Satan" Jude1:9.
" away from me Satan" (Matt4:10) is NOT an abusive condemnation.

** To which of the angels did God ever say "You are my Son" today I have become your Father "
Heb1:5 , Is that meaning that angels are not sons of God? No. When
Job. 1:6: the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah "
Jehovah elevated Jesus above angels (Heb1:4-6,13 Jesus inherited a name more excellent than that of angels".
Heb1:9 "there God,your God has anointed you with oil of gladness above your companions (angels)"

*** Heb1:4-9,13 says Jehovah elevated Jesus above angels .
Who are Jesus companions in the spiritual realm where he was elevated ? Angels of course!
Jesus is the Archangel leading other angels in battle 2Thes1:7.
1Thes4:16. Matt 24:30,31.

News > UK > Home News
War of words breaks out among Jehovah's Witnesses
Attack on 'mentally diseased' worshippers who leave church provokes outcry

Jerome Taylor @jerometaylor
Tuesday 27 September 2011 00:00

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The official magazine for Jehovah's Witnesses has described those who leave the church as "mentally diseased", prompting an outcry from former members and insiders concerned about the shunning of those who question official doctrine.

An article published in July's edition of The Watchtower warns followers to stay clear of "false teachers" who are condemned as being "mentally diseased" apostates who should be avoided at all costs. "Suppose that a doctor told you to avoid contact with someone who is infected with a contagious, deadly disease," the article reads. "You would know what the doctor means, and you would strictly heed his warning. Well, apostates are 'mentally diseased', and they seek to infect others with their disloyal teachings."


A copy of the magazine, distributed by Jehovah's Witnesses around the world, was given to The Independent by a current member of the church who has become unhappy with official teaching but is afraid to leave for fear of losing his family.


You are a disease to this thread as you cult thinks it.

Isce:




News > UK > Home News
War of words breaks out among Jehovah's Witnesses
Attack on 'mentally diseased' worshippers who leave church provokes outcry

You are a disease to this thread as you cult thinks it.

You dey post story wey headlines dey North pole and the news story dey South pole.
You no even understand wetin you dey post.
Naso you get sense reach.


Trinity & Cross worshipper sounding like a cracked Compact Disk & deceiving himself.

The cross & pyramid symbols dey inside your house ,your church buildings.
Your bigotry and hypocrisy dey fry beans with your sense.

Janosky:


You dey post story wey headlines dey North pole and the news story dey South pole.
You no even understand wetin you dey post.
Naso you get sense reach.


Trinity & Cross worshipper sounding like a cracked Compact Disk & deceiving himself.

The cross & pyramid symbols dey inside your house ,your church buildings.
Your bigotry and hypocrisy dey fry beans with your sense.

You are only repeating,coping your ~~~~
You are not original. Gable roof is not pyramid

We must continue

The Triangle marks location, but seen from above (the sky) the pyramids are a Square composed of 4 Triangles; in order to reach the 4D new location -the “opening up” of the Hologram-, you need to dissolve the image of the Triangles and rotate them, to then proceed choosing at each dissolving Triangle the 4 letters of the Tetragrammaton password, that is the suggestion that comes to my mind when I contemplate all this encoding. Of course you cannot rotate the Great Pyramid of Giza… but you might be able to easily rotate the PYRAMID’S CAPSTONE, now couldn’t you…? What other possible role could the capstone have, that to be much lighter and less anchored so that it can… be rotated. YET ANOTHER LAYER OF PROTECTION MIGHT HAVE BEEN BUILT INTO THE HOLOGRAPHIC DEVICE, THAT BESIDES BEING AT THE RIGHT SPOT ON TOP OF THE RIGHT PYRAMID MONUMENT, THE BEN-BEN SMALL STONE PYRAMID (OR A SIMILAR, perhaps the Ben ben is a maquette or model of such) MIGHT ALSO HAVE TO BE ROTATED AT THE … EXACT MOMENT IN LINEAR TIME. Therefore possessing the password and the location would render it useless, but knowing the exact moment in time (the exact date) would ultimately activate the holographic device, which would link up to a similar pyramid in Mars where the advanced holographic information is stored. Which Mars that is, the 3D Mars or another parallel Mars…? Is the device actually a link to several other Timelines where sensitive information was stored and secured…?

WAS THE “ANTICHRIST” CODE PLACED IN THE BOOK OF APOC/REV
TO WARN THIS SPECIFIC GENERATION, THAT IN CASE THE WRONG
GUYS ACTIVATE THE DEVICE THEN THE DANGER WOULD BE INMENSE?
-Because the science & knowledge in the RAM holographic device would confer them unlimited power?

Therefore as I have been proposing for years now, within this 3D Moon/Earth matrix, there are 2 opposing forces composed of several camps and factions, all working along the many generations to “get prepared” for an eventual grab of the device(s); they set their proper public power figures in each generation they view as “possible”, utilizing in each case one of or the most powerful country in the world to attain this strategic “positioning”; at the current moment the USA is the most powerful nation, so the codes seem to be fractally coalescing or precipitating more & more intensely unto their power figures, as the VORTEX OF TIME NEARS ITS 3D END. Since this ancient Atlantean Demiurgic technology was scattered in pieces and fragments all over the globe, their retrieval was the Hidden Agenda behind all the wars of conquest and colonization of distant continents, specially so in the case of America in the 1500’s and on, as it was suspected crucial fragments had been stashed here. This was for ex the hidden hand behind the Knights Templar, who were basically Locating/Collecting/Retrieving/Storing whatever extant Atlantean Demiurgic technology and knowledge they could find; the same can be said of the Nazis, who quite openly conducted such search in a desire to reverse engineer them as quickly as possible. The elites created Communism and the Soviet Union, as a place where you could not freely walk into, in that way having several decades to establish reverse engineering centers very far away from prying eyes; there was never any real conflict with the Soviet Union, it was all a carefully crafted facade for the lower levels of politicians and the public, as the elite worked in secret unison in all places and across all “walls” all the same. I am not saying there was absolutely no conflict because clearly there was, but it was not part of the elite’s game, only a show for the lower levels, as so many people in the know have already exposed; the same exact elites which created Fascism created Communism, and they always invariably hold both sides of the frying pan of ideologies and systems, manipulating all extremes simultaneously. It works exactly the same with religious denominations, if they wanted to hide something they were researching in this respect in one religion, they simply created another “denomination” and so on and so forth, under the principle of compartmentalized chambers.

It works exactly the same with religious denominations, if they wanted to hide something they were researching in this respect in one religion, they simply created another “denomination” and so on and so forth, under the principle of compartmentalized chambers.[color=#550000][/color]

The pyramid

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What this linear horizontal scripts suggest, is evidently a CIRCULAR MOTION of this stone, in the sense that the external glyphs engraved in the stone seem to compel you to do, is to rotate it fast seeking to “open it up” into a HOLOGRAPHIC COMPUTER CODE only activated at a certain speed of rotation and perhaps at a CERTAIN PLACE ONLY…! A unique place in the Roselines or Leylines or in the Atlantis former Crystal Earth Girds would be able to unlock the holographic program embedded inside the stone as a storage RAM device of sorts. In my opinion this is what the Charles Taze Russell rosicrucian symbol means, that you have to 1st come to an exact spot on the Grid (the CROSS) and then rotate the pyramid stone at a certain speed at that precise spot (the CROWN), thus opening up the contained Hologram (symbolized by the outer olive branches crown). The “Cross” as the pinpointing geographical marker, the “Crown” as the rotating dial sop to speak; look at the symbol again, and you’ll catch my drift. But it seems to me that this “olive branches” outer crown symbol as also prevalent for ex in the UN logo, coveys the secret meaning of accessing & activating some lost long ago switched off Crystal Grid in a world wide scale:

Isce:


You are only repeating,coping your ~~~~
You are not original. Gable roof is not pyramid

Isce the bigoted liar and hypocrite. Carry your junk komot from here.
You can only deceive gullible folks like your self fed with junks from the stable of pastorpreneurs.

Isce:
...,

This is Russell's actual tomb not that pyramid crap you posted on this thread.
If that pyramid crap convinced you he is a cultist, your gable roof pyramid proves you are the
Chief Lord of cultist.
So called Christian, na wetin pyramid dey do for your gable roof?

Janosky:


This is Russell's actual tomb not that pyramid crap you posted on this thread.
If that pyramid crap convinced you he is a cultist, your gable roof pyramid proves you are the
Chief Lord of cultist.
So called Christian, na wetin pyramid dey do for your gable roof?

Do you still have time for these miscreants trying to correlate light and darkness?
Even a deaf and dumb can see that ordinarily observing adherents of JWs and Cathlics, there is NO similarity of any sort!

Maximus69:
Do you still have time for these miscreants trying to correlate light and darkness?
Even a deaf and dumb can see that ordinarily observing adherents of JWs and Cathlics, there is NO similarity of any sort!

You are a Nigerian, am sure you can't understand these things. You are only worried that you can't prove otherwise and you don't know where to hide your shame, so you just only imagin pastorprenuer as a hole to hide. You are JW cult, you don't know God at all what you are proving is a computer languages.

You can not prove God's power in your debate, you can not cast out Devils, you are empty.

If you want to prove you worth, go after an acultic man, a demon possessed, a priest in a shrine, prostitute, homosexuals, a Muslim man and preach Jesus to them and get them saved.

In the physical world go and ask, the only contending forces is Jesus Christ. For the interfaith religion coming up now, the contention is Christ, to remove him from the equation.

Go and ask the acult world, the Muslims, witches ,demons, even you JW , Satan and so on and so forth. The personality they are all up against is Jesus Christ.

Finally my dear, if you what to know the truth of Christ position?~~ is to ask those in the centre of it ~ Satan, Jesuits, Illuminati, Freemenson, Knight's cults and so on. Go to their books, writings and you will see their hidden truth and intention and why they need you Janosky, maximus69 to help them in their course. That is where we are ~~~

We must continue.

If I want to come to a conclusion base on your analysis it could be more easier as your twist are very similar to that the serpent presented to eve, but there are other faith, denomination, religion the devil has also set up to make our conviction even more assure.

Within the Christian faith, we have three denomition
Option
1 Trinity
2 Almighty God only, same as Oneness movement
3 Jesus Christ only. No God Almighty ~~~ Just Jesus

so you see the more the confusion the stronger our faith in trinity.


107. Isce(m): Quote Post
It works exactly the same with religious denominations, if they wanted to hide something they were researching in this respect in one religion, they simply created another “denomination” and so on and so forth, under the principle of compartmentalized chambers.

Soon I will also start merging all these points to perfectly fit JW cult in it, so that the blind can see.

Isce:


You are a Nigerian, am sure you can't understand these things. You are only worried that you can't prove otherwise and you don't know where to hide your shame, so you just only imagin pastorprenuer as a hole to hide. You are JW cult, you don't know God at all what you are proving is a computer languages.

You can not prove God's power in your debate, you can not cast out Devils, you are empty.

If you want to prove you worth, go after an acultic man, a demon possessed, a priest in a shrine, prostitute, homosexuals, a Muslim man and preach Jesus to them and get them saved.

In the physical world go and ask, the only contending forces is Jesus Christ. For the interfaith religion coming up now, the contention is Christ, to remove him from the equation.

Go and ask the acult world, the Muslims, witches ,demons, even you JW , Satan and so on and so forth. The personality they are all up against is Jesus Christ.

Finally my dear, if you what to know the truth of Christ position?~~ is to ask those in the centre of it ~ Satan, Jesuits, Illuminati, Freemenson, Knight's cults and so on. Go to their books, writings and you will see their hidden truth and intention and why they need you Janosky, maximus69 to help them in their course. That is where we are ~~~

We must continue.

You don't have any problem Sir, in fact with the GRACE you're 100% safe!

Maximus69:
You don't have any problem Sir, in fact with the GRACE you're 100% safe!

The grace is in the one we defend Sir ~~~~ He is 100% ~~~

Isce:


The grace is in the one we defend Sir ~~~~ He is 100% ~~~

Exactly Sir, you're 100% correct!

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Isce:
When I was reading the post display earlier today the Holy Spirit took my attention to a rear area about the JW works and Satanic operations.

Now what the Devil tries to do is fake every work our Lord Jesus Christ came to do on earth.

You will notice that when our Lord Jesus preach here on earth, He preached on the kingdom, notice~ the signs and miracle with it.....

Matthew 4:23
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Matthew 9:35
And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

And so on~ all through his time on earth.
He talked about his kingdom because He came from there, the forgave sin demonstrating He is God, walked on water to show He is that same Spirit that ~Genesis 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters,

Now the JW are reversing this same act, their target is Jesus Christ.


NOTICE, after Christ departure, the msg was not the kingdom but believing on our Lord Jesus Christ

Acts 11:20
And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.

Acts 11:20
And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.

Acts 17:3
Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Acts 19:13
Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

and so on. It was this msg the Apostle, Reformers and other Faithfuls really died for and not "kingdom"

The main focus and purpose of the JW is the kingdom. No JW will come to you with the msg of Jesus Christ because the do not even believe on his redemption work and do not even believe on the born again experience.

Their symbols and works are same as that of the cult world without a denier.

Exchange Lucifer in their philosophy in the place of Lord. So they are building a temple currently in Jerusalem to put their god there to atone for them.

Many JW really desires to serve God but are blind.

Acts 1:8
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Not witness of Jehovah, Not witness of Kingdom etc

Jeremiah 2:13
For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

Jeremiah 17:13
O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.

John 4:10
Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water

Angels do not give living water

truth debate
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