babyosisi:

Babs,you have a problem that no one else can solve but Christ and meds.
That is the problem of being somewhat of a delusional megalomaniac.

Awesome!! Yorubas' have a proverb thay says "whosoever speaks big english in the house of his/her in-laws, must have to provide the translation." This adjective in bold is definitely too big for blabs787. On the other hand, I was waiting for how long the proverbial "handshake to blabs and belloti" would last and I don't have to wait long.

This is not about "respecting religions" but more about an attempt to encourage "compromise": the moment light decides to accomodate, or compromise, with darkness, it loses it's power to enlighten the path and minds of people.
If respecting religion entails not critically apprasing the basic tenets of a religion or it's acclaimed prophet simply to maintain peace, that is not respect; it is the islamic plot of 'Hudna' (false cease-fire) used to cover or prevent illumination of it's inherent lies and deception.
Anybody will be proud to make his/her boast in the life, lifestyle, ministry and teachings of Jesus Christ; and even invite all and sundry "to come see a man who told me all things about my life" like the Samaritan woman who then asked "is this not the messiah." If we cannot make our boast in the perfect and sinless life of the Only Lord and Saviour, then is our faith based on a lie; but we can make the boast, Thus, if you cannot make a boast of a perfect and sinless life and teachings of the prophet of Islam, then it is our duty to encourage or challenge you to do so; peradventure by so doing, you will see 'the lie' or 'the liar' on which you are basing your 'faith'. That is brotherly love, and not 'respecting religion' which is an acronym for bulls,,,t.!! Peace out.

@Stimulus

I'm already used to your accusations, and that won't stop me telling the truth. It's not such a bother that when you can't reason, then you go about with your usual accusative slobber that people are lying. Mind you, I'm not the one practising the religion of al-taqiyya; and you can continue demonstrating who follows that religion on the Forum.

Am still asking you professor, what did I complain to you? You have been mentioning Al-taqiyyah since and accusing muslim of same but will want you to tell me the meaning of the verses below.

In Islam lying is allowed in some cases:

1  Lying to the enemy during war (war is deciet).

2-  Not telling the complete Truth if you're trying to reconcile between two people when asked what one said about another during hostile times.  In other words, you don't have to narrate the foul words that one said; just narrate the main point.

3-  When one is under a threat or danger.

Exodus 20 v 16: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.  

Many Jews and Christians re-read or reinterpret this verse as "Thou shalt not lie."  However, we are about to see how GOD Almighty supposedly planned out for Samuel how to lie to Saul:

1 Samuel 16:1-131

The LORD said to Samuel, "How long will you mourn for Saul, since I have rejected him as king over Israel? Fill your horn with oil and be on your way; I am sending you to Jesse of Bethlehem. I have chosen one of his sons to be king."
2 But Samuel said, "How can I go? Saul will hear about it and kill me." The LORD said, "Take a heifer with you and say, 'I have come to sacrifice to the LORD.'
3 Invite Jesse to the sacrifice, and I will show you what to do. You are to anoint for me the one I indicate."
4 Samuel did what the LORD said. When he arrived at Bethlehem, the elders of the town trembled when they met him. They asked, "Do you come in peace?"
5 Samuel replied, "Yes, in peace; I have come to sacrifice to the LORD. Consecrate yourselves and come to the sacrifice with me." Then he consecrated Jesse and his sons and invited them to the sacrifice.
6 When they arrived, Samuel saw Eliab and thought, "Surely the LORD's anointed stands here before the LORD."
7 But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."
8 Then Jesse called Abinadab and had him pass in front of Samuel. But Samuel said, "The LORD has not chosen this one either."
9 Jesse then had Shammah pass by, but Samuel said, "Nor has the LORD chosen this one."
10 Jesse had seven of his sons pass before Samuel, but Samuel said to him, "The LORD has not chosen these."
11 So he asked Jesse, "Are these all the sons you have?" "There is still the youngest," Jesse answered, "but he is tending the sheep." Samuel said, "Send for him; we will not sit down until he arrives."
12 So he sent and had him brought in. He was ruddy, with a fine appearance and handsome features. Then the LORD said, "Rise and anoint him; he is the one."
13 So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the LORD came upon David in power. Samuel then went to Ramah.


So as we clearly see, GOD Almighty commanded Samuel to LIE and say that he came to sacrifice for the LORD, when in reality he came to anoint David.


2. Paul permitted lying in Romans 3v1-8 & Philippians 1v15-18:

Romans 3v1-81

What advantage then hath the Jew? or what is the profit of circumcision?
2 Much every way: first of all, that they were intrusted with the oracles of God. 3 For what if some were without faith? shall their want of faith make of none effect the faithfulness of God?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy words, And mightest prevail when thou comest into judgment.
5 But if our righteousness commendeth the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who visiteth with wrath?
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
7 But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?
8 and why not, Let us do evil, that good may come? whose condemnation is just.

Paul here is admitting that he lied or that he might resort to lying for the sake of spreading GOD Almighty's Truth.  This is demonstrated in the following verses from Paul:

3. Philippians 1:15-18

15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill.
16 The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel.
17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.
18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

So if one practices sodomy in Nigeria and offers his rear end for sexual sale to be politically correct to the society that he is in, or one does illegal sex with the girls in town and goes to the bars and get drunk with the people, to get the attention of those people that he is living among so that he can preach to them whatever he wants to preach, then according to Paul, these "false motives" are still justified!  To Paul, the end literally justifies the means!


4. 1 Kings 22:21-23

21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked. " 'I[b] will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets[/b],' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'
23 "So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you."

GOD Almighty gave the spirit the green light to go and cause lying.  And yet they tell us: "thou shalt not lie"?

Genesis 13v18:  Abraham lied and told the Pharaoh that Sarah was his sister because he feared that Pharaoh would kill him in order to marry his wife. The Pharaoh does indeed desire Sarah for his wife, but becomes enraged that Abraham lied to him about his relation to her

So are in you justified attacking Islam or not.Abraham was under a threat/danger and had no choice but to lie.  


5. 1 Kings 22v23: So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you.

6. 2 Chronicles 18v21-22:I will go and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'



It's not such a bother that when you can't reason

I know that you have just started, you will still go the way of your predecessors. I don’t give a damn about what you may be saying about babs as far as babs is saying the truth. Mind you, you cant use any dubious or childish means in putting babs off from religious threads. So go on with your accusations.



If you had no complaints, what was your whining about in this line:QuoteYou brought out threads where Muslims condemned christianIf you failed to understand simple statements, does it make you any wiser or happier to come back with this typically, rascally accusation for what your intelligence was unable to measure up to?


It is now glaring who never understands statement Was my above post not in response to your biased post, accusing Muslims of what your folks have been doing? My post above is in response to your biased post just some of your brothers have been doing. You listed threads on Christianity but never listed same on Islam He that wants to do equity must come with clean hands .



Wait until babyosisi hears reads this second allegation and then confirm if she mailed me anything about any websites.Besides, it is hilarious to read how you're craftily trying to dribble away from this issue. I neither mentioned babyosisi here; nor made any allusion to your lifting articles from other websites here. In the threads concerned, I mentioned them there, and all you have said so far to all those queries are terse conciliatory statements.


Me dribbling away. Babs is here for debate and what questions have I dribbled from? If we are to talk of an escapist, you have been the one, you have ignored my three questions in the thread ‘was jesus crucified’ and when you finally answer,you and your folks will answer that of misright too. You are free to lift from threads just as your folks have been doing.




The issue here is not about LIFTING articles from websites, so your sob-stories here are just dribbling away from the core of my rejoinder to specie's post. The issues for debunking the idea that Muhammad was not the Prophet of Deut. 18 are still there; and I left a challenge that we should all be able to think for ourselves. To this end, I delineated what I had from my personal study, strongly discharging the otiose idea that some silly criteria as marriage and occupation should stand the test at all. If you're not satisfied, please give me the particular website where I "LIFTED" my article from; or the one you're so convinced that babayosisi mailed me!


Brother, I told you to give me verses that the word ‘brethren’ are used for jews and if you cant, you are on your own if you can only give me just one similarity out of like 6 that I gave to you. You are even claiming that Jesus saw God? Isnt that a contradictory statement? God jesus on earth seeing God Jesus in heaven. Don’t worry, when the time comes, questions will be served you on trinity.


The issue here in this thread has not been about plagiarizing articles from websites (which is what you often do).

The pot calling the kettle black. For your understanding, websites are for updating knowledge. I have my own notes on Christianity and Islam, so as I do say, you are free to lift from there be rest assured that questions will equally be served you soon on some of your belief. Its your job to refute anything being said on Christianity just like I have been doing with Islam. So stop crying like a coward and face the reality.



Rather, my challenge to specie was:     "to call her attention to the lopsided view of her having missed the fact that      Muslims are also guilty of the same thing as she attempted to cast here.""Guilty of the same thing" in the sense of:      Which one of the following are you assuring us have not been started by      a muslim in order to insult Christianity?


Did you read your response to her post. View it herehttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-51734.0.html

You listed three sites but ignored those threads and posts where your folks have done and still doing same to my religion and prophet.



Great to read about your concilatory statement again. However, babs787, I have a brain and can reason for myself - and that's what my posts are all about. Thanks for the offer for lifting articles from websites; what is so repugnant is to dress them here and there and pretend that they are your own!


See coward . How many of my questions have you refuted? Didn’t you run away from the three questions on the crucifixion of Jesus. How many muslims have complained about lifting from threads by your folks, Islam is a religion of proof, bring anything from sites or your brain and be rest assured that no muslim will accuse you of lifting from anywhere but will attend to your question. Typical escapist, no be today, e don tay



Where did the Lord Jesus Christ order the killing of 'apostates' for converting to other religions as Muhammad ordered Muslims to do? What is Islam so afraid of that it is no loonger secret that Muslims murder not only so-called 'apostates' for leaving Islam altogether; but they can go about murdering non-Muslims under any excuse?


So you haven’t come across that as being said by your God. Read below pls:

Deuteronomy 13v6-9: If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."



Deuteronomy 17v3-5: And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, , and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."


2 Chronicles 15v13: All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.


Romans 1v20-32:

20.   For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.  
21. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22.  Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools  
23.  and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24.  Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25.  They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
26.  Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27.  In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another.  Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28.  Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
29.  They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30.  slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;  
31.  they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
32.  Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

If you are not satisfied, let me have your response from the brother that reasons a lot  .



How many Christians have been killed for simply converting from Islam? If Islam has nothing to hide, why are Christians still being persecuted and murdered in Islamic countries like Afghanistan for no other crime than that those people are Christians?


Read my story up in response to babyosis. Have you asked yourself why muslims are being persecuted and killed in some Christian state? Why is the continuous killing of muslims by jews and bush in Palestine?



Muslims are tolerated anywhere they go; they have mosques in the Western countries that they refer to as the Shaitan. However, in the Islamic countries of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Christians and Jews do not have the same freedom to practise their faith without threats from Muslims, most of which result in the murder of non-Muslims.


If Christians are not allowed, what is the meaning of Jiziah and who do Christians pay and where do they pay such taxes to?



These are the issues that are continually being challenged, and that is why Muslims are only dribbling round with slobber accusations at non-Muslims for the fact that these debates are stripping the facade of Islam. The mask will continually be stripped off; and like it or not, even Muslim observers themselves cannot deny that many Muslims are turning to Jesus Christ for salvation without the threat of the sword.


Christian are turning to Islam the same way muslims are turning. So you have nothing to say here. Nairaland is just like another world. Have meeting up to  expectations as regards to the comparison of the two books and other issues.





Babyosis

Babs,you have a problem that no one else can solve but Christ and meds.
That is the problem of being somewhat of a delusional megalomaniac.
I neither have the time to reasearch on your recent stories of pastors who became Muslims nor your unfounded allegations about Bishop Idahosa.


You called my stories lie? Never mind may it not be too long in realizing the truth. Ask people they will tell you about him, he started this demonic magic called miracles before  T.B Joshua and Oyakhilome of synagogue and Christ embassy church respectively. Do create time and get back at me, Islam is a religion of proof. As for your name calling, I told you I am not interested in a situation where you extend handshake to me in one thread and insult me in another thread. You are extending handshake to babs and brother bellotti when your folks are busy continuing with their mischief. You better take back your handshake cos I don’t need it. Your handshake will only be accepted only if your folks stop their madness but if they don’t, the thread continues, babs is not moved by whatever you say but be rest assured that the same judgment will be meted to you.



I am more interested on the 6 million muslims yearly in Africa alone who turn away from falsehood unto the saving grace o Christ.
The countless Mullahs and Islamic clerics in Nigeria and beyond who realise that they are in a rot and open up their hearts to the gospel.


What gospel are you referring to? That of Mathew, john, luke, acts, revelation etc? baby open your eyes and stop being deceived. It has been proven that your bible is an incomplete book, your book is not 100% word of God, most of your doctrines have been debunked. Do I need say anymore.



I was in Kaduna during a massive crusade in the nineties,uncountable Muslims surrendered to Christ,bringing their charms and amulets to be burned.
This is not a popularity contest,if Islam is not afraid,it should allow open air crusades and Christian TV on Muslim lands and I assure you there would be no Muslims left in no time.
Darkness always gives way to light.


You want to exchange falsehood with truth, never. How many of your doctrines, claims have been refuted by muslims and non muslims alike? You posted a website sometime about seeing Jesus in a dream which was rebutted by babs through Allah. Is that picture really that of Jesus? If Christians are not in Islamic states, what of taxes being paid by them? Na wa o. Lying to deceive people.



The mere fact that satellite TV brings them in droves to Christ is a testament to his ability to deliver even though many are secret Christians for fear of death but Jesus knows who they are and have written their names in the lamb's book of life.


Who is the lamb, jesus huh? So God Jesus turned to lamb? I even read of beast , lions with seven heads in heaven. Soon we will shed light on the lamb of God as being put in the book of revelation if Jesus was really the lamb of God. Sacrificial lamb that shouted to himself on the cross, prayed to himself when confronted with death.




Anyone is free to leave Christianity,it does not change anything,the gospel has no compulsion and no knife attached to strike off heads.

Oh no. you people will never stop amusing me. So you have not heard stories of born against Christians denying and killing their children for accepting Islam. If you are ready, I will link you up with a lady in Kwara polytechnic. She was a friend to the deceased called mariam. Mariam was a Christian but never practiced islam up to 6 months before his parent killed him. when she accepted Islam in ilorin, she prayed and was very righteous more than some muslims in Kwara polytechnic as if she had known that she wouldn’t live long. If she had known, she wouldn’t have gone home. When she left for home and her parent learnt that she accepted islam, they beat her to death and funny enough till her death, the word ‘La ilaha Ilalahu was in her mouth. Am very sure if it was a muslim, the world would have heard. If you need the lady’s contact, I can supply you, you try talking to her parents and thank God you are a Christian too.



Your allegations on attempted murders are just that,allegations.
You and I have seen proof of the peace in Islam while allahu akhbar is chanted, You may derive pleasure from beating around the bush,it doesn't take a Christian to know who the empty vessels on this forum are.


Beating around the bush. Why did you sue for peace in the first place? It is very glaring who has been beating about the bush, did I beat about the bush on your incomplete bible or on your bible not being 100% word of God, did I beat about on 2nd timothy 3 v 16. sister, truth stands out from falsehood.



Cheers.

Biko,who has the time to read a dessertation written in black and red?
*yawn*
foaming at the mouth and producing no descernable sounds is called epilepsy.
Babs keep up the "good" works but don't get a stroke in the process.
From what I see your BP must have tripled in the last few months.
Calm down,if you have the truth,you don't have to try so hard.

@ blabs787, reading the bible with a mindset to ferret out percieved offense isnt doing you anything but heaping coals of fire on your head.

1. Phillipians 3: 15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
  16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
  17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
  18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

Here it is crystal clear what Paul was refering to! Bible students will remember this same scenario happened when Miriam and several other young prophets challenged Moses by saying "is he the only one who can prophesy"? Paul's argument refers to those who preach NOT out of sincerity but out of "we too have the anoiinting not only Paul, we can also preach"!
In the end Paul, rather than engage the "younger pastors" in a supremacy battle is quick to add "whether you preach because you truly want to bring souls to salvation or you do it out of "i am eloquent and anointed to preach too", the power of Christ unto salvation still backs up every word that proceeds from your mouth to save those souls that God has called unto Himself. Salvation is independent of the vessel being used. Those who preach out of strife and envy will recieve their just reward in the end.

2. 1 Samuel 16: 1 And the LORD said unto Samuel, How long wilt thou mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him from reigning over Israel? fill thine horn with oil, and go, I will send thee to Jesse the Bethlehemite: for I have provided me a king among his sons.
  2 And Samuel said, How can I go? if Saul hear it, he will kill me. And the LORD said, Take an heifer with thee, and say, I am come to sacrifice to the LORD.

Did Samuel actually lie that he was going to a sacrifice? Please look at the next verse:

4 And Samuel did that which the LORD spake, and came to Bethlehem. And the elders of the town trembled at his coming, and said, Comest thou peaceably?
  5 And he said, Peaceably: I am come to sacrifice unto the LORD: sanctify yourselves, and come with me to the sacrifice. And he sanctified Jesse and his sons, and called them to the sacrifice.

Samuel did NOT lie here, he actually performed a sacrifice and then anointed David as king. If i told you i was going to school to study, would you call me a liar simply because i did not tell you that after going to school i would also branch at the market?

3. Romans 3:  1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
  2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
  3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
  4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
  5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
  6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
  7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
  8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

Thanks for accusing the arch enemy of islam of lying!   Let us look at this scripture again, if you bothered to read the whole thing instead of jumping at the verses where the word "liar" is mentioned, it should be easy to understand. The crux of the whole matter hangs on verse 1. The argument betweent the early apostles after the pentecost was whether salvation belonged ONLY to the jews or could be extended to the gentiles hence Paul's question in verse 1.
Now take a look at some other verses from the same chapter:

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
  30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Recall that even apostle Peter who was with Jesus for the 3 yrs of his ministry had to be upbraided by Paul for feeling guilty of commiting sin by eating with sinners/gentiles. Paul's argument here is simple, if by preaching salvation to the gentiles the early Jewish church elders felt he had sinned or lied, was it not having a good purpose since through his ministry the gospel was now gaining a foothold in gentile nations?

4. On the issue of lying spirits, would you accuse God of murder since he created everyone including armed robbers, murderers and rapists?
God tests us in several different means, the same God who "sent" the lying spirit also sent a true prophet to warn king Ahab of the dangers of going to battle but of course a man destined for destruction would never heed the truth even if it hit him smack in the face. the same applies to you.

@davidylan,

davidylan:

5 And he said, Peaceably: I am come to sacrifice unto the LORD: sanctify yourselves, and come with me to the sacrifice. And he sanctified Jesse and his sons, and called them to the sacrifice.

Samuel did NOT lie here, he actually performed a sacrifice and then anointed David as king. If i told you i was going to school to study, would you call me a liar simply because i did not tell you that after going to school i would also branch at the market?

There's something you have to keep in mind when discussing with Muslims, especially of such folks like babs787. They have a mindset congealed and set on default with dishonesty. He did not see those verses (or, at least pretended he didn't) before reading "lies" into the Bible. Actually, he is only too predictable in his goal of spewing out the practiced conceit of Islam.

When a Muslim tells you that he believes in the revelations given to Moses and Jesus and all the prophets, please note: THEY ARE LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH!! There is NO truth in that statement, and Muslims cannot pretend to be sincere or honest about that at all. It was such dishonesty well-established in Islam that led me out of it FOREVER!!

pilgrim.1:

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When a Muslim tells you that he believes in the revelations given to Moses and Jesus and all the prophets, please note: THEY ARE LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH!! There is NO truth in that statement, and Muslims cannot pretend to be sincere or honest about that at all. It was such dishonesty well-established in Islam that led me out of it FOREVER!!

You hit the nail right on the head.
If they believed it,they wouldn't question it.

. . . And if they believed anything at all, they wouldn't claim they're LOST and then come back sweating to find Muhammad in the Bible!!

@babyosis


Biko,who has the time to read a dessertation written in black and red?
*yawn*
foaming at the mouth and producing no descernable sounds is called epilepsy.
Babs keep up the "good" works but don't get a stroke in the process.
From what I see your BP must have tripled in the last few months.
Calm down,if you have the truth,you don't have to try so hard.


Call me any name you feel like. You have been known to be that uncouth. You even showed your manners by claiming that Yorubas are dirty and even cursed Awolowo etc.

You may shout from now till tomorrow, the fact remains, nothing moves babs. You are extending handshake when your folks are still continuing in their mischief.

Now, if you care to know, if I have to meet every nairalanders, after my muslim brothers and sisters, the next set will be atheists in the like of Nferyn and KAG, I like them and respect them so much. They have show high level of intelligence and maturity. Nferyn posted a rejoinder that we have been continuously disrepecting their belief as written in our books and his post moved me.He is 100% right. I have some verses that talk about athiest but want them to know that I didnt write it myself and why apology hasnt come may be probably due to the fact that, most threads have been on Muslim-christian debate etc. He went to the extent of posting two sites on how to convert and how not to convert an atheist. When I have time, I will go over them and get back at them, asking them some questions. Though we may have different belief but the fact remains, we can still learn from each other. I respect them for their maturity especially KAG who I took for a male until she updated her profile. Am not saying they shouldnt attack my faith but just telling them my mind. I so much love reading their posts. There are some christians that babs will never raise an eyebrow to their post. They earn my respect as a result of the way they have handled every situation. It includes the likes of Shahan, backslider and some that are still here.


Back to you babyosis, like I said, you may give babs any names you feel like but babs will never stop exposing your falsehood. Whats the need of handshake when your folks never stopped?

You know what, I have known you to be a liar and has never taken you seriously for one day. I could remember when Shahan invited me to her thread, I responded and stopped any debate thereafter. Despite the fact that you apologised and said that you would never do same again, you still went ahead after having known that babs has stopped it.

When I saw your thread on the extension of handshake, I didnt want to post anything there because when I read your post, I found out that you said lot of things concerning Islam having forgotten whoever is suing for peace must be neutral regardless of your faith, belief, etc. My charming sister called my attention and I told her that I wouldnt be posting anything that aside what babyosis said, she should read the post od davidylan and batu too but she told me to ignore them and post whatever I have to hence my posting only that one.

You still went ahead with your so called apology. When you extended the handshake to me, I stopped posting anything concerning christianity on Nairaland ( check my posts thereafter for confirmation). I stopped posting anything on your belief and went to sports thread. But pilgrim, stimulus and jeshua thought that I ran from them not knowing that darkness can never overcome light.

It will be noted that christians are the largest posters on religious threads, followed by atheists and muslims occupying the least position. Only you cannot extend handshake to me while others continue and expect me to stop. It is either you stop your handshake and let the threads continue or vice versa. He that wants to do equity must come with clean hands.

You cannot be expecting any respect when you yourself do not respect other's belief. Babs believe in equity, it is either you take it or you leave it.



@davidlyan


Thanks for carefully showing the lies in your bible as against the Al-Taqiyah you have been saying all these while. Let me go into your post one after the other despite the fact that you muddled them up. I also noticed that you picked some and ignored some.


1. In your response to my claim, I want to ask you, is sacrifice the same as anoining? The Lord told him to tell him he wanted to sacrifice while he went there to anoint.

Now if for example you are a native of another community in which no other person apart from the indigene of that community is allowed into another and you wants to go and give somebody something in that community. Will you lie to them that you are from theie community or not?


2.

I want you to explain the below verse
7 But if the truth of [b]God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? [/b]


What is your understanding of the above verse as said by Paul? Didnt he say that he lied in preaching his gospel?

3.
18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, [b]whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.[/b]

With regards to the above post, are you saying that, we can preach God's word through false motives?



4.'By what means?' the LORD asked. " 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'


23 "So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you."


1 Kings 22v23: So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yo[/b]urs. The LORD has decreed disaster for you.

6. 2 Chronicles 18v21-22:I will go and [b]be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'




Thanks for accusing the arch enemy of islam of lying! Let us look at this scripture again, if you bothered to read the whole thing instead of jumping at the verses where the word "liar" is mentioned, it should be easy to understand. The crux of the whole matter hangs on verse 1. The argument betweent the early apostles after the pentecost was whether salvation belonged ONLY to the jews or could be extended to the gentiles hence Paul's question in verse 1.
Now take a look at some other verses from the same chapter:


It is very glaring who the real liar has been. Paul lied in other to win them.


On the issue of lying spirits, would you accuse God of murder since he created everyone including armed robbers, murderers and rapists?
God tests us in several different means, the same God who "sent" the lying spirit also sent a true prophet to warn king Ahab of the dangers of going to battle but of course a man destined for destruction would never heed the truth even if it hit him smack in the face. the same applies to you.


Meaning that God allowed prophets to lie in other to entice some people!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Greatest Al-Taqiyah in the biblical history and brother, what of Abraham, you didnt say anything on that too?






@pilgrim

It has been established that your bible is corrupt and imcomplete. So no hide and seek.

babs787:


@pilgrim

It has been established that your bible is corrupt and imcomplete. So no hide and seek.

I've told you before that it is not my style to deliberately engage in denigrating the religion of other people, which is what you have been doing. The reason why I held my peace all this while is just to allow you prove your own words that you were backing off such debates. But since you're been drumming up the same thing over and over in several threads, please answer these questions as concisely as you possibly can, before I serve you the gist of the fallible Qur'an in piecemeal:

#1. Where are the Torah, Injil and Psalms that the Qur'an speaks of?

#2. If they are LOST or corrupt, why then did Allah ask Muslims to believe in ALL the revelations of the previous prophets?

#3. What books do you Muslims actually believe in if you make "no distinction" between any one of the prophets?

#4. If actually Muhammad's 'Allah' revealed those other books, why did he allow his own 'revelations' to become corrupt in the hands of anybody at all after promising that he is able to keep and preserve them?

#5. If you believe in ALL the revelations of the former prophets, what place does Isaiah, Zachariah, Micah, Daniel, Ezekiel, and other OT prophets hold in Islam?

#6. If the Torah and the Gospels are the very same ones in the Bible today, then why are Muslims attacking them if at all 'Allah' is the one who 'revealed' them?

#7. Did Muhammad not use the very same Torah as is still in existence today?

#8. Are there no MISSING verses in the Qur'an?

#9. Is the Qur'an of today the very same and exact one that Muhammad received from 'Allah' without a shade of difference or variation at all?

#10. Is there ANY translation of the Qur'an that is entirely free from errors?

#11. Can a Muslim understand the Qur'an without any other source or commentary outside of it like the Hadiths, commentaries by Muslim scholars, etc?

#12. What really is your agenda in all the arguments that you have been propagating on the Forum?

When you can provide succinct answers in all HONESTY to those questions, I'll oblige you my answers.

Thanks.

Both the Bible and Koran are fairy story books based on the ramblings of man over the past two-thosand years. To argue which is the truth is funny to say the least.

Lets argue over football teams or politics, it has far more meaning and relevence

@pilgrim


Before going into your questions, I want you to provide these verses from other versions apart from KJV to show the completeness of the bible. If you can provide them, I will agree that the bible is complete from that angle.


a.Mathew 17 v 21
(b) mark 11 v 26
(c) acts 8 v 37
(d) Mathew 17 v 21
(e) Mathew 21 v 44
(f) Mathew 23 v 14 etc


Thanks

@babs787,

You have asked questions related to those verses before, not so? Okay, what you don't know, I will deal with about them in the small way I possibly can.

Could you be so kind to progress this discussion by offering succinct answers to my questions above?

Thanks.

- - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - -

NB.

Let me be clear about this: your argument that the Bible is not complete is borne out of the idea that:

(a) it makes reference to some books which are not in the Bible?

(b) some versions (like the KJV) includes the verses that some others do not?

Is it on those premise you argue that the Bible is not complete?

Thanks again.

@pilgrim


You have asked questions related to those verses before, not so? Okay, what you don't know, I will deal with about them in the small way I possibly can.

Yes I have but brought them up again because you refused admitting the fact that its imcomplete


NB.

Let me be clear about this: your argument that the Bible is not complete is borne out of the idea that:

(a) it makes reference to some books which are not in the Bible?

(b) some versions (like the KJV) includes the verses that some others do not?

Is it on those premise you argue that the Bible is not complete?


Those above and some other evidence too which are not listed by you.

Thanks.

@babs787,

babs787:

Yes I have but brought them up again because you refused admitting the fact that its imcomplete

It's quite simple: I said I'll defend it based on the naswers you give to my recent questions.

babs787:

Those above and some other evidence too which are not listed by you.

Thanks

Good to know. In due course I'll be applying the same principle in examining your Qur'an.
Cheers.

@pilgrim

Can you defend falsehood? I have posted enough explanations for you in this thread "Is the bible complete" , read my post and use that in answering your questions. You can imagine her asking me questions when it has become glaring that her bible is incomplete.


You have been saying that you would be supplying the missing verses from the Quran getting to a week, if you dont have anything, it will be better for your to admit your falsehood and lets move on or maybe you are waiting for the Quran mentioned by specie in her post about the Quran to watch out for.


Truth has come, falsehood is bound to perish.

I don't see the sense in all these words. One thing is for sure, Muslims derive joy in criticizing and deriding Christians and even Christ himself and people like oyb, IG et al will become mute but when a Christian throws out a question, the entire nairaland Muslims will become vocal attacking babyosisi, david and of course my humble self. Suffice to say that I had no intention of joining nairaland as a member but had to after after seeing the threads posted by babs787 and thought it good to serve him his own meal HOT and people went berserk calling me names.

In as much as we deserve respect for various religions, it is worth noting that respect is reciprocal and nobody/no religion has monopoly of nasty words, we should restrain ourselfs in order not to offend anyone.

I created two threads in nairaland and men it caused real bad blood at least amongst the muslim.

The message is clear - what is good for the geese is good for the gander.

As for the Bible, whether it is complete or not, it is sufficient for our SALVATION. So let us be!

@noisycheeks

It seems you are just from another planet. Here you are shouting that muslims have been deriding jesus, let me have where we have been doing so and I will back it with evidence that it hasnt been what you have been thinking. You called all your falsehood 'deriding Jesus'.

You are claiming that we have been doing that, go to the beginning of the religious threads and read what your folks posted. Without even going there, compare posts, count th number of posts and threads which christian have opened and compare with that of Muslims. Nobody challenged your folks when you have been saying all sort of defamatory things about my faith and prophet but when you are being corned and are just barking, going round in circles without any proof, you changed the tune to 'muslims are deriding your faith'. You may shout from now till tomorrow, the fact remains, christianity is falsehood and it must be exposed.

I dont respect anybody that doesnt respect my religion.

What salvation are you referring to? Is it that one promised by Paul to lazy christians like you that you should just believe and you will be saved?


Good day

nossycheek:

I don't see the sense in all these words. One thing is for sure, Muslims derive joy in criticizing and deriding Christians and even Christ himself and people like oyb, IG et al will become mute

please stop lying.you are more than that(if you choose to be).it doesn't become you.

oyb:

please stop lying.you are more than that(if you choose to be).it doesn't become you.

Typical of muslims. I am used to that trash.  And I want to believe that you oyb did not see the quote from babs787 in bold. That is what you muslims always do, being blind when your brothers and sisters curses and kill all in the name of religion only to shout "wolf" should Xtians raise their voices. We are not moved in anycase

babs787:

@noisycheeks

It seems you are just from another planet. Here you are shouting that muslims have been deriding jesus, let me have where we have been doing so and I will back it with evidence that it hasnt been what you have been thinking. You called all your falsehood 'deriding Jesus'.

You are claiming that we have been doing that, go to the beginning of the religious threads and read what your folks posted. Without even going there, compare posts, count th number of posts and threads which christian have opened and compare with that of Muslims. Nobody challenged your folks when you have been saying all sort of defamatory things about my faith and prophet but when you are being corned and are just barking, going round in circles without any proof, you changed the tune to 'muslims are deriding your faith'. You may shout from now till tomorrow, the fact remains, christianity is falsehood and it must be exposed.

I don't respect anybody that doesnt respect my religion.

Typical of muslims, not surprised. you can continue crying

babs787:

What salvation are you referring to? Is it that one promised by Paul to lazy christians like you that you should just believe and you will be saved?

Good day

Exactly what I said earlier on.

babs787:

@noisycheeks

It seems you are just from another planet. Here you are shouting that muslims have been deriding jesus, let me have where we have been doing so and I will back it with evidence that it hasnt been what you have been thinking. You called all your falsehood 'deriding Jesus'.

You are claiming that we have been doing that, go to the beginning of the religious threads and read what your folks posted. Without even going there, compare posts, count th number of posts and threads which christian have opened and compare with that of Muslims. Nobody challenged your folks when you have been saying all sort of defamatory things about my faith and prophet but when you are being corned and are just barking, going round in circles without any proof, you changed the tune to 'muslims are deriding your faith'. You may shout from now till tomorrow, the fact remains, christianity is falsehood and it must be exposed.

I don't respect anybody that doesnt respect my religion.

What salvation are you referring to? Is it that one promised by Paul to lazy christians like you that you should just believe and you will be saved?

Good day

@oyb
And I want to believe that you did not see the quote from babs787 in bold. That is what you muslims always do, being blind when your brothers and sisters curses and kill all in the name of religion only to shout "wolf" should Xtians raise their voices. We are not moved in anycase

allahu arched bar

i Feel our different religions should be respected and at the same time tolerated.Religion is a very sensitive issue and we all should exhibit some decorum.Thats why Xtians and Muslims dont always agree which is not supposed to be.We all serve the same God but in Different ways.When the world comes to an end, U all will be surprised to find Alfas and imams in heaven and likewise pastors too.Lets unite and foster peace amond our different religions.

@Noisycheeks

You may cry from now till tomorrow, I dont give a damn. You are here shouting and pointing to my thread. What of those posted by your folks? You didnt say anything on that. If you care to know that what am doing is justifiable, go through all threads, compare threads and posts of christians to that of muslims and you will see that your folks started it and theirs outnumbered that of muslims.

topefisayo:

i Feel our different religions should be respected and at the same time tolerated.Religion is a very sensitive issue and we all should exhibit some decorum.Thats why Xtians and Muslims don't always agree which is not supposed to be.We all serve the same God but in Different ways.When the world comes to an end, U all will be surprised to find Alfas and imams in heaven and likewise pastors too.Lets unite and foster peace amond our different religions.

Maybe it is your own special heaven where sinners, doubters, scoffers and blasphemers will be found!

As for your "serving the same God" theory, maybe you need to do more than just parrot what you are taught by rota to say in this age of political correctness.

aalahu arched bar

@stimulus

The time has come for me to respond to your allegations that I have been deriding Jesus. Before I point out the facts for you, you should know that muslims here have been very conscious when it comes to the issue of Jesus christ. We have his story in my book, we believe in him and his mother so we can never disrespect him but you christians have been doing that unkowingly and when muslims try pointing out these to you, you resort to all sort of things going as far as telling them that they have been deriding your jesus. Bring more proof where I have been deriding jesus and I will proof it for you from my book and your book.


#1. Jesus Vs. Prophecy
Excerpt: "I came across some prophesies of God Jesus which I decide to put across to my
christian friends to assist in explaining to me because the Jesus is my book is never a liar"
[so, by implication, is the Jesus in the Bible a liar?]

Now as for your quote above, this is one of the verses posted

Mathew 10 v 23: but when they persecute you in this city, flee ye unto another city, for verily, I say unto you, ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the son be come.

Note; the disciples of Jesus fled and they have now perished for 2000 years with no sign of the Jesus.

I gave you links that showed that bibles were written according to the church one belongs. I also gave you proofs that the original message of Jesus is lost or corrupted which made people wrote many things in the bible claiming that it was written by Jesus WHEREAS jesus never knew anything about most of the things being preached by christians today. The above verse referred to jesus as telling his disciples to flee when persecuted that he would join them before they left for another city which never materialised. Do we say Jesus said the above? Far from that, 82% of those sayings are not his. Hope you can see for yourself that I have not been deriding him. I can never do that because he is well respected by muslims but some christians have been attributing some sayings to him which he is very unaware of.


#2. O Worshippers of The Messiah, We Have A Question
Excerpt: "Then he emerged from the vagina as a tiny baby, opening his mouth and seeking the breast, . ."
[that is how they ask "A Question" and expect Christians to respond, yes?]


Brother, its just like the first response I gave to your allegation. Christians have been saying many things which jesus is never aware of. Jesus made it clear in the bible the difference between him and his creator, yet christians go as far as calling Jesus God etc. If you care to read about Jesus from my book, go to Quran 3 and start from verse 45.



#3. Was Jesus Sent To The Whole World Or Prophet Muhammad
Excerpt: "This topic has led many lazy Muslims at the crossroads, being easily deceived
by the so called Christians with their man-made religion (Pauline Christianity). . .


Oh sure,I said that. Muslims have been deceived many times that without jesus there is no salvation and that he came for the whole wordly which he never did. He came for jews and had his work limited to them. He was never sent to the whole world and has been giving some lazy muslims sleepness night, doubting their faith and thinking that those hot-gospellers might be right. Brother, I am not deriding jesus or christians as you have been saying and if you disagree with my explanations above, we can always re-address the issues backing up everything with verses from your book and my book. Most of things you called deriding are plain truth and nothing more but as the saying goes, truth is always bitter. When you bring out truth for someone to see, he will tell you that you have been deriding or insulting him.

A word is enough for the wise.

@babs787,

babs787:

@stimulus

The time has come for me to respond to your allegations that I have been deriding Jesus. Before I point out the facts for you, you should know that muslims here have been very conscious when it comes to the issue of Jesus christ. We have his story in my book, we believe in him and his mother so we can never disrespect him but you christians have been doing that unkowingly and when muslims try pointing out these to you, you resort to all sort of things going as far as telling them that they have been deriding your jesus. Bring more proof where I have been deriding jesus and I will proof it for you from my book and your book.

Rubbish. Your pretences are not going to wash with the facts. Your continued calumny against Christianity is a direct attack on the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ, which you babs787 have surreptitiously engaged in. Here's an example as a reminder (my comments underneath it) :

#1. Jesus Vs. Prophecy
Excerpt: "I came across some prophesies of God Jesus which I decide to put across to my
christian friends to assist in explaining to me because the Jesus is my book is never a liar"

so, by implication, is the Jesus in the Bible a liar?

What was that kind of statement supposed to reveal - that you're a saint who "loves Jesus", yes??

If you're going to discuss, you do so. The continued deliberate calumny against Christianity from you in particular as the reason why I decided to just focus on another motherboard (Politics). Only to visit the Religion motherboard to find that in addition you could not resisit the temptation of mentioning me in most of your posts. What kind of silly game were you playing??

babs787:

Now as for your quote above, this is one of the verses posted

Mathew 10 v 23: but when they persecute you in this city, flee ye unto another city, for verily, I say unto you, ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the son be come.

Note; the disciples of Jesus fled and they have now perished for 2000 years with no sign of the Jesus.

And what was that supposed to prove, in relation to your statement that "the Jesus is (sic) my book is never a liar"?? If you're quoting from the Bible, should that give grounds for that silly talk and deliberate derision of the Jesus Christ of the Bible??

Incase you're pretending once again about the above verse in your quote, let me remind you of what Islam teaches:

Sahih Bukhari Book 34, #425

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "by him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts

In your usual hypocrisy, you're quick to here quote Matthew 10:23 as a complaint that Jesus' second coming was not "soon"; but you forgot the statement of Muhammad in the hadith abov teaching that Jesus was to descend on Muslims SHORTLY - and after 14 centuries, that "shortly" is still NOT fulfilled!!

This is one of the silly games that drove your zeal every morning to the Forum, spewing out your pretentious "questions". The thing is, you just don't mess with me whenever you're happy-clappy to launch your calumny against Christ and the Bible. You really don't know how far you can take this - and I can bet you that if you push your luck, no Muslim would like to return to the Religion motherboard.

You simply don't go around playing silly games like that and pretending your lust even further.

babs787:

I gave you links that showed that bibles were written according to the church one belongs. I also gave you proofs that the original message of Jesus is lost or corrupted which made people wrote many things in the bible claiming that it was written by Jesus WHEREAS jesus never knew anything about most of the things being preached by christians today.

There again - I hope you see how you've come back claiming the same thing you couldn't be man enough to state in the thread I opened?

Let me ask you babs787: If "the original message of Jesus is LOST", what does that say of your Qur'an?? What is the doublespeak that you guys keep making all over the place and still come back trying to force Muhammad into Deuteronomy and John's Gospel?

This kind of position is nothing short of hypocrisy and cowardise! Claiming that something is LOST (which again means that it "cannot be found", as you stated in another thread), is not the same thing as trying to use the Bible to "prove" your lost stories!! Whenever you're debating issues with me, do yourself the favour of throwing that illiterate thoughtlessness out - it won't get very far with me!

babs787:

The above verse referred to jesus as telling his disciples to flee when persecuted that he would join them before they left for another city which never materialised. Do we say Jesus said the above? Far from that, 82% of those sayings are not his. Hope you can see for yourself that I have not been deriding him. I can never do that because he is well respected by muslims but some christians have been attributing some sayings to him which he is very unaware of.

If you actually love Jesus, you would not make statement that ridicule Him anywhere - even if He's mentioned in the Bible or any other book for that matter! You went out to castigate Christianity, and in your short-sighted adventure, you found it convenient to deride him so slyly.

Meanwhile, since you're claiming that 82% of those sayings are not his, what has happened to Muhammad's failed prophecy in hadith Sahih Bukhari Book 34, #425 ??

babs787:

#2. O Worshippers of The Messiah, We Have A Question
Excerpt: "Then he emerged from the vagina as a tiny baby, opening his mouth and seeking the breast, . ."
[that is how they ask "A Question" and expect Christians to respond, yes?]


Brother, its just like the first response I gave to your allegation. Christians have been saying many things which jesus is never aware of. Jesus made it clear in the bible the difference between him and his creator, yet christians go as far as calling Jesus God etc. If you care to read about Jesus from my book, go to Quran 3 and start from verse 45.

Please babs787, I'm not a product of your reverse thinking. The statement quoted above was made by a MUSLIM!! So, don't even try to give me another repugnant excuse.

babs787:


#3. Was Jesus Sent To The Whole World Or Prophet Muhammad
Excerpt: "This topic has led many lazy Muslims at the crossroads, being easily deceived
by the so called Christians with their man-made religion (Pauline Christianity). . .


Oh sure,I said that. Muslims have been deceived many times that without jesus there is no salvation and that he came for the whole wordly which he never did. . . .  Most of things you called deriding are plain truth and nothing more but as the saying goes, truth is always bitter

Yes, you said that - and we should applaud you for referring to Christianity as "man-made religion", with the superscript of "deceived by the so called Christian"??  You see how you're only wasting effort explaining your open, unbridled vitriol?

No qualms. This is the reason why no whimper is going to make any sense from any Muslim on this Forum (including Christians who are happy to be "politically correct". You have only just confirmed once again the hideous fact that you have been on a calculated adventure to ridicule Jesus, Christianity and the Bible - by your very words. Well done.

I hope when out-of-place things are being said about Muhammad and Islam, you'll remember your callous "apologetics" here?? Since your derogation of Christianity is what you call "plain truth", I would only return in a few weeks from official assignment to read the "plain truth" people give about Islam.

Enjoy them. 

stimulus:

I hope when out-of-place things are being said about Muhammad and Islam, you'll remember your callous "apologetics" here?? Since your derogation of Christianity is what you call "plain truth", I would only return in a few weeks from official assignment to read the "plain truth" people give about Islam.

Enjoy them.

Well said, stimulus. . . well said.

@babs787,

babs787:

Most of things you called deriding are plain truth and nothing more but as the saying goes, truth is always bitter. When you bring out truth for someone to see, he will tell you that you have been deriding or insulting him.

If you can go on deliberately casting aspersions on Jesus Christ, Christianity and the Bible in spite of the several attempts of many people to reason with you, then you're inviting the very same thing henceforth from people like me. Your pretences are now worn out; and if you want to read the "plain truth and nothing more" about Muhammad henceforth, continue your adventures. I already have a rascal trademark on the Forum and can well serve you your nightmares in the weeks to come.

Gwaine:

@babs787,

If you can go on deliberately casting aspersions on Jesus Christ, Christianity and the Bible in spite of the several attempts of many people to reason with you, then you're inviting the very same thing henceforth from people like me. Your pretences are now worn out; and if you want to read the "plain truth and nothing more" about Muhammad henceforth, continue your adventures. I already have a rascal trademark on the Forum and can well serve you your nightmares in the weeks to come.

Count me in! Tired of his sidekicks here and there. Whether it is language that his problem or simply delusional, the coming weeks will get to know.

mrpataki:


Count me in! Tired of his sidekicks here and there. Whether it is language that his problem or simply delusional, the coming weeks will get to know.

You know me - I don't spare rascals; and the coming week will determine where we go from here.

I guess babs787 is already enjoying the hot meal of tuwo that I am serving him and yours sincerely still have more on her sleeves. I warned him to desist and he called me an empty barrel. At least he can hear the loud sound coming from my drum to a disillusioned son in nairaland