Ranchhoddas:
There's nothing to modify. That person knows nothing. There are privileges to being a woman that men should not/will not enjoy. This destroys the entire feminist movement.

Equal opportunity is already available to everyone in many parts of the world -- This is what feminism purports to be. But it's a smokescreen.
It is stupid feministic desire to change things you have not fully considered because it's the fad, the trending thing.
Feminism is trending now so everybody wants to "chook mouth".
Even people whose mental powers cannot power a wall clock.

Example: The Geneva convention brought a guideline for acceptable behavior during warfare. Women along with children are always to get preferential treatment for obvious reasons.
Any man worth the title will be satisfied with this. Does this make us unequal?
Should men start saying the Geneva convention rules of warfare be modified because we want to be equal?

Now that I think of it, I've never heard any feminist talk about the " inequality" here.

Fishy

Feminists are usually dumb people so maybe they just don't know.
Oooops...

Ranchhoddas:
There's nothing to modify. That person knows nothing. There are privileges to being a woman that men should not/will not enjoy. This destroys the entire feminist movement.

Equal opportunity is already available to everyone in many parts of the world -- This is what feminism purports to be. But it's a smokescreen.
It is stupid feministic desire to change things you have not fully considered because it's the fad, the trending thing.
Feminism is trending now so everybody wants to "chook mouth".
Even people whose mental powers cannot power a wall clock.

Example: The Geneva convention brought a guideline for acceptable behavior during warfare. Women along with children are always to get preferential treatment for obvious reasons.
Any man worth the title will be satisfied with this. Does this make us unequal?
Should men start saying the Geneva convention rules of warfare be modified because we want to be equal?

Now that I think of it, I've never heard any feminist talk about the " inequality" here.

Fishy

Feminists are usually dumb people so maybe they just don't know.
Oooops...

liberalchick:


I disagree. There is nothing like pros and cons in feminism, feminism is just the fight for women’s rights with the belief that men and women are equal. A woman should be able to do whatever she wants with those rights, our fight is not with women but with society to validate those rights. Women are not a monolith. One of the problems the feminist movement have is some ‘feminists’ have decided to shove their choices, rights on other women, to me they are no different than sexist people. A true feminist does not impinge on another woman’s choice.

Most women believe that the rights of men shouldn’t be more important or superior to women’s but some will still say they are not feminists because third wave feminists have shamed them for their choices. The goal is to defend the choice of a woman (within the confines of the law) whatever that choice is. A woman can decide to sleep with 100 consensual men and a woman can decide that she wants to be a virgin on her wedding night, both are valid choices and we want to live in a society that validates and respects both choices.

Some people just want to derail the feminist movement by always harping on who pays what bills. That has NOTHING to with feminism, that’s a personal choice. I like to pay my own bills, if another woman doesn’t want to and she finds a willing man to do so, that’s her choice. As a feminist I respect her choice, I will have a problem if society favors one choice over another.

A feminist can be whatever she wants, she can be a pilot, doctor, housewife, stripper, astronaut. The only person that is not a feminist is someone that believes that a man’s right is superior to a woman’s.

I just want to add after my epistle that I absolutely agree with you except the bolded.

Michellekabod2:

That's my problem with naija feminiy, they wanna eat their cake and have it,they cherrypick alot....many people cry feminism,many wannabe feminist that understand nothing about feminism but see it as an escape route,....
Imagine some so-called feminist on a thread were a lady slapped a guy and he slapped back saying that a guy should not slap a lady back. Or is it not equality we all seek?

lilwetdick:


women already have the same opportunities as men,, there are women pilots and the rest..what do you want again, to rule the world


the moment you heard taking responsibility for your action from the op, you started wining and changing what feminists are preaching

Michellekabod2:

Wrong!it is society, else it wouldn't be occurring in mostly third-world countries. In New Zealand, a lady is more sexually active than men, their body count almost doubles the male body count and it's perfectly normal to them!so what will you say about it?

I know it's hard to dump the myopic belief but it doesn't change a thing....even if you don't accept, the generations after you will....
I know you will argue but it will not change a thing as well

TheNaijanBlog:

You are not even making sense yourself. Feminism has been trending for a long time and it will continue to do so until society recognizes women’s rights are human rights for ALL women.

TheNaijanBlog:

You are not even making sense yourself. Feminism has been trending for a long time and it will continue to do so until society recognizes women’s rights are human rights for ALL women.

Michellekabod2:

That's my problem with naija feminiy, they wanna eat their cake and have it,they cherrypick alot....many people cry feminism,many wannabe feminist that understand nothing about feminism but see it as an escape route,....
Imagine some so-called feminist on a thread were a lady slapped a guy and he slapped back saying that a guy should not slap a lady back. Or is it not equality we all seek?

liberalchick:
I am sorry the feminist movement will still be relevant until ALL not just women in western world can have their individual choices validated. Ironically it was western feminists that fought for those rights you just mentioned.

I didn’t understand your second paragraph.

lilwetdick:


western women, you mean WHITE WOMEN, go and check history of all the fight black people fought in the US, from the civil rights to affirmative actions, who are benefiting from it...is it not WHITE WOMEN, they say EQUAL representation in work places, what they meant was WHITE WOMEN NEED TO BE IN THE WORK PLACES FIRST before any other race,if you think you are fighting for your equal rights wait for the end and see who enjoys all the benefit, not you BLACK WOMEN but WHITE WOMEN

in my second paragraph, i meant if you want equal opportunities which you claimed there arent, you must be ready to bear the consequences of equal opportunities, for example if 20 solders are going to sambisa to fight BK, they must be equal 10 men and 10 women and they must be able to bear the consequences of death.

lilwetdick:


western women, you mean WHITE WOMEN, go and check history of all the fight black people fought in the US, from the civil rights to affirmative actions, who are benefiting from it...is it not WHITE WOMEN, they say EQUAL representation in work places, what they meant was WHITE WOMEN NEED TO BE IN THE WORK PLACES FIRST before any other race,if you think you are fighting for your equal rights wait for the end and see who enjoys all the benefit, not you BLACK WOMEN but WHITE WOMEN

in my second paragraph, i meant if you want equal opportunities which you claimed there arent, you must be ready to bear the consequences of equal opportunities, for example if 20 solders are going to sambisa to fight BK, they must be equal 10 men and 10 women and they must be able to bear the consequences of death.

liberalchick:
I was on that thread, and I also made a comment. I said she deserved the slap. I didn’t see people who claimed to be feminist defend her. Why was feminism even tied to that event in the first place? She slapped someone and the guy defended himself, end of. People just want to tie everything to feminism so they can have their gotcha moment and say “feminists are hypocrites”

Nobody is cherry picking anything, women will do whatever the hell they want to do and fight for the choice to do that.

lilwetdick:


so only women that matters, children do not matter, men do not matter, the sick do not matter, those with hiv/aids do not matter, those that are poor do not matter, only women, like say, women do not have rights and equal opportunity...what a self-fish movement

for your information, if you think feminism is gonna help you as a black woman, you are wasting your time

in the US black people fought for the civil right and affirmative actions for blacks, guess who are enjoying what black people fought for WHITE WOMEN, they are the one enjoying affirmative actions, if you think feminism is fighting for you, you are wasting your time, at the end White women will benefit everything you supposedly believe and fought for.

Michellekabod2:
Noted! Would never mention you again. Your wish is respected. You are a retardded clown yourself!

CAPSLOCKED:


LOL. DID I DESERVE THIS?

liberalchick:
Yeah white women fought for their rights now women of other races are starting to. When women have rights in Saudi Arabia it is a Saudi Arabian woman that will enjoy it.

So you missed the entire point of my posts, which was CHOICE! I said we should fight for a society where a woman’s choice is validated. There are female soldiers fighting in war fronts right now, that’s their choice and they should be giving equal opportunities to be come soldiers. There are men that don’t want to fight in Sambisa forests too. If a woman wants to be a soldier or a sniper and she has the skills to do it, yes! She should have the opportunity to do so. There are no consequences to equal opportunities. Equal opportunity means that if someone has made a CHOICE to do something then she should have the same access to opportunities that a man would. Simple.

Michellekabod2:

If you check my post I also fought for the rights of males!
Feminism ought to favor both genders but wannabe feminist try to cherrypick aspects that favor them,they make it feel like a war against men and thus lose the essence of feminism...
If feminism is done the right way, both genders will smile and the world will be a better place...
But many ladies don't understand feminism

Michellekabod2:

My dear, not all feminists are like you or me, they are several that are hypocrites...fact!
Alot of feminist wannabes cherry pick...
I also tag males sexist and misogynist, tackled many of them on this forum , so don't make it feel like am against them....
The definition of feminism is equality of both genders
It ought to protect both genders but you only focusing on protecting females...
The males ought to be protected as well,else it's cherrypicking...

liberalchick:
Ok. I agree though but we are talking about feminism, the rights of women in a society. I am sure most feminists have men in their lives that they love and respect. Society has been protecting men since the world was created, we just started asking society to protect us like it did/does men. Men will be fine, they don’t need my protection.

lilwetdick:


if you say there are female solders already..so i do not see the discrimination if they are solders already

with all you mention and the examples you gave, it shows there is already equal opportunities for women, as you wrote everything boil down to choice, even with choice, women are still not going to field where men dominate, likewise men arent going to fields where women dominate, there is a reason while 90% of engineers are male and 90% of females are teachers even with the equal opportunities laws in many western countries.

If you say women of other races are fighting for their own..in what society, is it in the western world, where they themselves are looked down on, how many black women ceos do we have in the western world compare to white female ceo, how many black women are employed, how many black women have their own businesses compared to white women? why is it that white women are top of the hierarchy in western society before a black man or a black women..so do you think the race with the power will just give up their power to allow minorities control them..that is not possible,in my opinion feminism is just a white women political movement nothing more than that and it will always benefit the white ruling class not the average minority janet on the street.

lilwetdick:


society has not been protecting men..men have been building society and protecting women from wars and many ills in history even till now

the reality of life..it is a hard world for men, a very easy world for women who dont have to prove anything but still survive and eat well

a woman can decide not to work and still survive, a man, it is just imposiblle, nobody is going to hear his pains when things go wrong, so how is society protecting men

liberalchick:
I see you are moving the goal post. You do know not all countries allow women to be soldiers? NO all women don’t have equal opportunities.

White women started feminism but the movement crossed the Atlantic and some women in different cultures started theirs. How do you think women in other parts of the world got this equal opportunity you speak of? Even Nigeria had their own feminists that fought for some rights for Nigerian women.

As a black woman, I understand the intersectionality of gender and race discrimination and I can fight both, it doesn’t have to be one or the other. I can walk and chew gum.

Michellekabod2:

did I deserve the "confused clown" too

CAPSLOCKED:


YOU'VE GOT TO BE THE ONLY EDUCATED PERSON ON THE FORUM TO NOT COMPREHEND MY POST. THIS SHOWS HOW YOU ARE LIKE MOST REAL LIFE FEMALES, JUMPING INTO CONCLUSIONS WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING A SINGLE THING.

DO YOURSELF THE FAVOR OF READING THAT POST AGAIN AND SHOWING IT TO A SECONDARY SCHOOL BOY SO HE CAN EXPLAIN IT TO YOU.

I DIDN'T SAY YOU ARE A CONFUSED CLOWN BUT NOW I'M WISHING I SAID THAT.

Paccus:
I have been a guest on nairaland for sometime, but this post forced me to register so I can comment..Are you a Nigerian?? If yes, this is one of the best understanding of feminism I have seen from a Naija Babe although I may disagree with 1 or 2 of your points but its normal we can't agree on everything . I don't have problems with feminism but I avoid the Nigerian Feminists because it seems they all want the Pros and not the cons of the movement. A naija feminist will still go with the mentality of "His money is ours but my money is mine"..
Also the modern feminist is not fighting against injustices to women but is rather directing her fight against man. In Nigeria for example, One of the greatest injustice against women is caused by women(The way madam treats her housegirl) but I don't see Feminists fighting against that injustice which happens everyday and everywhere.
I hope in the future when I have a daughter I will raise her to be a feminist that will stand against injustices against women and not the type that just hate on men and find fights/problems on social media where there seems to be none.

Paccus:
I have been a guest on nairaland for sometime, but this post forced me to register so I can comment..Are you a Nigerian?? If yes, this is one of the best understanding of feminism I have seen from a Naija Babe although I may disagree with 1 or 2 of your points but its normal we can't agree on everything . I don't have problems with feminism but I avoid the Nigerian Feminists because it seems they all want the Pros and not the cons of the movement. A naija feminist will still go with the mentality of "His money is ours but my money is mine"..
Also the modern feminist is not fighting against injustices to women but is rather directing her fight against man. In Nigeria for example, One of the greatest injustice against women is caused by women(The way madam treats her housegirl) but I don't see Feminists fighting against that injustice which happens everyday and everywhere.
I hope in the future when I have a daughter I will raise her to be a feminist that will stand against injustices against women and not the type that just hate on men and find fights/problems on social media where there seems to be none.

pansophist:


I unequivocally put it to you that feminism everywhere wants the good stuff and not the responsibility that comes with it. Now mention any country you know of, that feminism is different from what is practised in naija, then I'll agree. I live in the west and have lived in Nigeria. It's all same.

Okay let me give you one example that happened just an hour ago. I'm writing you from a club house now (I'm in my 20's hello), and the bouncer refused to let men without girls inside the club. I could go in since i came with my girlfriend. Single girls got in, but not single men. How is that fair? Now turn the table round, will feminist be quiet if its women treated like this? How about military conscription that is compulsory for Male and not for women?

Feminism is a good movement, in the past not now. Its hypocritical and a mask for misandrist.

Korllami007:


You are mouthed

Let's war break out today and see all these feminists chicken out because when the military start the conscription of male into the army, none of the feminists will protest equal participation in the war. They will all keep quiet. In this part of the world, no one is stopping anyone from doing anything. To butress your point, a female will sexually harrass a male but no one will see anything bad it. They will sexually molest a kid and society won't see anything wrong in it. There was a lady that opened a thread on how she sexually molested 7 year old boy and she was even bragging about it but people don't see anything bad. If it was a guy that sexually molested a little girl and open thread for it, we all know what will happen. Few days later, a guy open a thread that she wants to marry an 18 year old girl. If you see how ladies bombard that thread and insult that guy that she's still young. A 18 year old girl that can be legally married for that matter. The same set of ladies avoided a thread where one of them opened a thread on how she molested a 7 year old boy and she's happy about it.


I see feminism as bunch frustrated, hypocrite and selfish people coming together to hate on male.

pansophist:


I unequivocally put it to you that feminism everywhere wants the good stuff and not the responsibility that comes with it. Now mention any country you know of, that feminism is different from what is practised in naija, then I'll agree. I live in the west and have lived in Nigeria. It's all same.

Okay let me give you one example that happened just an hour ago. I'm writing you from a club house now (I'm in my 20's hello), and the bouncer refused to let men without girls inside the club. I could go in since i came with my girlfriend. Single girls got in, but not single men. How is that fair? Now turn the table round, will feminist be quiet if its women treated like this? How about military conscription that is compulsory for Male and not for women?

Feminism is a good movement, in the past not now. Its hypocritical and a mask for misandrist.

Paccus:
Michellekabod2, please I would like you to point out areas where women are not treated equally to men because we have been hearing of this equal treatments without pointing areas where females are treated below men in today society.. for instance 60-100 years ago we could say that males were allowed to go to school while the female child was denied education, Females were not permitted to drive cars like male etc..can you point out some examples like those ones in "today society"