Korllami007:


You eyes don open?

One feminist on this thread was claiming their fighting for gender equality.

If their fighting for gender equality, there won't be anything like Men Going Their Own Way, which is direct opposite to feminism.

IamPlato:
Are my mamas feminists sisterfire adaibeku rekhina analqueenluci ...

budaatum:

Don't mind her with her watered down feminism.

Who in their right sense wants to be equal to pigs?

Korllami007:


LOL. So all men are pigs.


I'm still searching for your dad.

budaatum:

No, not all men. My dad obviously isn't one so you would not find him where you are looking. I'm sure you'd know where to look for pigs if you were seriously looking.

Korllami007:


I saw him awhile ago but at the moment, I don't know where he had gone to. Please let me check outside if I can find him.



All men are pigs. Lol

budaatum:

You'd have to dig him up, I'm afraid, or go look for him amongst the dead, but I doubt you can be ready to die since you sound so very young.

Rekhina:
nna hw far

Korllami007:


Make I no talk wetin de mind .

You said, all men are pigs but when I replied you with a picture of pigs so that you can identify you dad, that is the moment you realized you have male in your family.

Men excel at it due to nature and stereotype and not because of any effort on their part. Men don’t give birth and nurture babies, men aren’t expected to keep the home. On paper, it seems like equal opportunities “it’s not illegal for women to work” However, of what use is this opportunity if western women can’t access it? I am happy you said factors above our control, Women can’t control that they are women, yet the corporate world with their policies are punishing western women for being one.

It’s one thing to pass laws to make gender discrimination illegal, it’s another thing for it to be enforced. The previous generation of western feminists have fought for those laws to be passed now this generation are fighting for it to be enforced. Wether laws are passed or not, it will not stop a sexist man from denying a woman employment or companies to have discriminatory policies. ( for you to relate insert race) For example to hide the pay gap, some companies had policies for employees to hide their salary, any disclosure was grounds for a dismissal. Women found out they were paid lesser than their colleagues. Women had to go back to get laws written to make it illegal for your boss to fire you if you disclose your salary. How else can you negotiate a salary when you don’t even know how much your colleagues are being paid? Some companies still do it, there are numerous law suits pending. Why should women have to keep suing companies just to get equal opportunity? Is that one gender equality? Law suits are money, time and emotional draining and you run the risk of being black balled in the industry.

Women are paid less but women are more expensive for the company’s bottom line that’s why companies higher fewer women. That’s also discriminatory, a women is denied a job because of her gender. Companies have been creative in finding loop holes in discriminatory laws. Again, women are being punished for being women, even single women that have no desire to marry or bear children are discriminated against.

The link you posted explains the trend. The most feminist countries are welfare states and they have better economy. So even though the women can DO STEM jobs they rather do something else because they don’t need a good job to guarantee financial freedom and this is true even for men. Men in America can afford to follow their passion but a Nigerian man cannot. Nigerian parents will not even allow their male children play football even though that’s a viable path to financial freedom but because the risk is too great they discourage their children from following their passion.

Umm NO.
Men control the fashion industry, porn, and prostitution industries lol and female teachers are paid less than male teachers. Let’s just assume all what you wrote is true, so women should be happy and content that we excel in fashion, porn and prostitution?

Based on the link you posted female happiness is on the decline for US citizen women that work and keep a home. Even though women have fought for laws that allow them work, most times they are still required to do house chores and discriminatory office policies increases the baggage. So while women had an extra baggage, men’s lifestyle continued as is. That’s a nuanced struggle that western feminists are still fighting. That’s a small subset of ALL women. Western women are unhappy that they have to work twice as hard as men for lesser pay.

I am curious why do the anti-feminists on a Nigerian forum always have to use Western women as example to prove there is already gender equality to Nigerian feminists? Is it because western women have more rights than Nigerian women? Why is it so? Were these rights given to them freely? These rights were not given to them, they fought for it. If you believe western women have had enough opportunities and no need for them to agitate for more that’s fine even though I don’t agree. Do you also believe Nigerian women have enough/same opportunities as Nigerian men?

An average Nigerian woman does not live in the west and a Nigerian feminist is more concerned about her opportunities as a woman in Nigeria. I think a much more honest discussion about feminism amongst Nigerians should focus more on gender equality in Nigeria

budaatum:

Don't mind her with her watered down feminism.

Who in their right sense wants to be equal to pigs?

Korllami007:


Make I no talk wetin de mind .

You said, all men are pigs but when I replied you with a picture of pigs so that you can identify you dad, that is the moment you realized you have male in your family.

Shugavee:
I agree with almost everything except hitting the woman back ,, when we all know men are physically more stronger than women ? It’s totally wrong hitting a man but still wrong hitting a woman no matter the circumstances. Cause a man hitting a woman can get her killed or hospitalized. So NO to that

pansophist:
@libchick



So working longer hours, willingness to commute farther and relocate, choose high paying careers, do labor-intensive and dangerous jobs, aggressive negotiation for better pay and raise, and unlikelihood to take leave etc, do not count as effort from men's part? got it. Not much to discuss further there. And true, men do not give birth and nurture babies, but men are the family workhorse financially, doing fatal jobs, and also household labour (triggered I know lol). Both gender compliment themselves seemlessly. It is disingenoeous to ignore the part men play in their household, and it is the very reason why globally, women have a longer life expectany that men. Dont be disingeneous.

And what exactly is the opportunity women cant access? Furthermore, how exactly is the coporate world punishing women for being women? please in your next reply, corroborate your iteractions with facts. Just because you feel, think or believe you are oppressed doesnt mean you are, especially if you are not backing it up with verifiable sources, like I did. Its known as victimism, to be a professional victim, and that is the trendy thing young people this days specialized it. Dont be that person.



Too much emotions in one post. See, if you can prove that a company rejected your job application on the basis of sex, sue them. There are numerous pro-bono lawyers that will do it for you, as it is an easy way to rack in free cash, and even if you have to pay a lawyer yourself, it is reembursed, and you could claim additional damage for all your expenses. And again, how is the law not enacted but not enforced? can you cite any examples of the justice system ignoring cases with proven sexism?



See as you shot yourself in the foot. So basically you inadvertently support my previous iterations that western women choose low paying career, hence they do not go for high paying professions such as STEM? good. so why are you surprised women are paid less then? especially with the additional effort men put in their work, as outlined in my first paragragh?



Just as men control the prison that jailed Bryan banks and distroyed his career after being falsely accused of rape by a vindictive girl, and she was believed without evidence. The police that guard your neighbourhood, those that died building the roads you commute in daily, houses you live, transporting all the groceries to your favourite supermarket and inventories in your shopping cart to name a few, are all men. Cherrypicking, by saying men own industries is not an argument, and does no justice to your points, if anything, it only exposes your solipsism. About women being proud that they excel in porn, well, if you want to have a discourse about morality, your distaste for jobs with shameful moral decency, then that is a different argument. The issue at hand is that women are paid more than men in porn. Judging from your own logic, isnt it sexism against men? No one forced women to do porn. Women should go and create their own company, and led it in their utopian feminine doctrine as they wish, its more effective doing that.



You keep pandering this lies that women are paid less than men, even with all the evidence grilling in front of you. For the umpteeth time, and in an attempt not to go round circles, women are not paid less than men. If you think you are, sue. You can even be a millionire with one succesfeul lawsuit. repeating this lie doesnt makes it true, if anything, it further solidify the view most reasonable people have about feminism, that they are always looking for irrelevancy, even manufacturing one if there is none. About household labour, wont you do your household labour if you live alone? what exactly is this labour that women do, that men also do not do? and where is your ability to sacrifice in your relationship, as men have been doing from time immemorial, such as working like slave to fund the household, protecting women by dying largely in war, etc?

How many women have died from houseplace death (thats if such term even exist in the first place)? but men die in mass, commit suicide in mass, pay the most tax, but women benefit more from it (e.g affirmative actions, breast cancer getting x2 fundings more than prostrate cancer that affects only men etc)? Even men that slave away their life to make money mostly, from the beginning of time, spent a bulk of it for their family, and women are the prime beneficiary of it. Nairaland is filled with stories of men buying iphones for girls they met in few days, will only marry when they are financially bouyant. For the succession of a loving relationshoip, you need to drop this mindset of approaching it with a capitalistic mindset. If you love your partner and cant do household cores, or disregard how he sacrificed in the relationship in his own way, then I can only feel sorry for such relationship. Let me go a bit personal here. When I was in the uni, my gf lived with me. I didnt asked for a split of bills, or buy groceries and request for refund. It was done out of love. It will be a betrayer from her to yap about household labour, and thats what you are doing here.

Nigeria is equally hard for everyone. Men, women, and animals (have you see zoo lions that looks like goat lately ), bringing feminism into it is just nonsense. Western feminism is used because its the benchmark of your arguments as well. If your discourse was about feminism about Nigeria only, then we could have a discourse on that.

so far, you didnt disprove, weakened, or debunk my arguments, it was quite the opposite. nice try though.

pansophist:


If a woman hit me, I will hit her back. If a man hit me, I will hit him back. The arguments that a woman is weak, hence, a man should not hit her no matter the circumstances (in your own words) is nonsense. Only a kid will hit me and I will ignore, but not a woman,
she will get exactly what she dishes out. Its called equal treatment. Otherwise will be benevolent sexism, a softer kind of sexism.

Sorry, not sorry.

Michellekabod2:

This is the most disgraceful post I have seen today...shame!
If it's possible to get you off my thread to stop posting this poo you post,I will be glad
I thought you said the aim of feminism is to ensure women are equal to men,and now you are changing your mouth that women shouldn't be equal with pigs.
It is not today I have known you to be full of inconsistences.
To think I once held you in high esteem is what I am ashamed of.
Continue your female Asslicking

Michellekabod2:

Walahi it's irritating...
That's why I avoid arguments with the said moniker because you can't tell where he/she stands...he/she is filled with inconsistences,self contradictory statements and running round circles.

Michellekabod2:
I don't do pro-man or pro-women, I do pro-equality Hahn. When it's obvious people still take sides or are bias in the nature I can't reason with such people...
It's a public forum where all can express their opinions freely,thus I am not in a position to enforce my beliefs on others... That's why you see the title of the thread is : my idea of feminism.

As Marialavina will say it's better not to do tags and soil your fingers,it's better you believe what you believe without tagging yourself as so so so and so...
If feminism is a one gendered side stuff as Buda and lib chick claim it is then it's not worth it and remains to me a butt-joke. I'd rather be on my own fighting against any wrong done against any HUMAN,male or female,straight or gay, young or old,black or white....
I do believe the definition of feminism as defined by the two are archaic....
I guess the issue has been flogged enough(not a person that has the strength to debate for long)....so lemme just leave this thread ,and sleep

LibChick:
It’s OK, we don’t agree. As I told you before I am fine with anybody that believes in gender equality (equal access to opportunities regardless of gender) please can you post the prove of the bolded? Also, FYI all the discriminatory laws in Nigeria would also benefit Nigerian men if they passed, in-fact it benefits the whole society. Just because I post replies in terms of women because I am a woman and I am speaking based on my experience doesn’t mean I WANT to take rights away from men. The Pan dude and I are having a debate if women now have equal access to opportunities that Nigerian men have and if they do, can we now say Nigeria is a gender equal society.

I am a woman, so I make most of my arguments from that perspective just as the men here have made their arguments from their own perspectives. All the Pan dude’s points have all been examples of the place/role/interactions of men in society, which is fine, he can only speak from his male perspective. I am yet to see one rebuke from you that he is being pro man.

If you are pro equality as you claim, if group A of people in a society already have some rights that group B don’t have, Should group B try to have those rights as well? Does B having those rights threaten the rights of A? Does group B deserve them? Does it make society equal?

Also, please can you list the ethos of a feminist that is pro women and anti man? Because I am curious to know why you keep labeling me anti man. I am also going to exit this thread because it seems you only want views that mirror yours. You opened a thread up for discussion now you are mad people have different opinions. You are not been tolerant of people’s views that are different from yours. Every movement has the minorities they’re fighting for. Civil rights fight for the rights of black men and women, animal rights for the rights of animals, gay rights for lgbtq people, religious freedom right. As all these people are fighting for these rights they also want an equal society. I support all those and I have actually donated money to some of those causes. I doubt the feminism movement would be hurt by you disavowing it.

Michellekabod2:

This is the most disgraceful post I have seen today...shame!
I thought you said the aim of feminism is to ensure women are equal to men,and now you are changing your mouth that women shouldn't be equal with pigs.
It is not today I have known you to be full of inconsistences.
To think I once held you in high esteem is what I am ashamed of.
Continue your female Asslicking

Michellekabod2:

Walahi it's irritating...
That's why I avoid arguments with the said moniker because you can't tell where he/she stands...he/she is filled with inconsistences,self contradictory statements and running round circles.

Michellekabod2:


I want to Know how I am intolerant to people's views. I guess we haven't really conversed before aside this thread so you don't really know how I react to threads. I would describe myself as a very rude and temperamental person, kindly don't read meanings to my post.

budaatum:
I did not get the memo that said buda had to please you. Please resend it.

Michellekabod2:

Buda should please Buda self. Michelle doesn't care...cheers!
When you quote and criticise people you forget they don't have to please you.

I admitted I can be rude and temperamental and I am working on it, you still had to bold it? At least I am not a hypocrite,self righteous and an inconsistent fellow

budaatum:

I must have forgotten that my reason for existing is to please Michellekabod2 because you pay for my presence here and your opinion of me matters.

Michellekabod2:

Buda kiss my ass. ..

You that can quote people upandan and criticise their posts you now remember that you aren't here to please me. People u have called out before ,were they here to please you?

Because you have no alibi for your inconsistences, and hypocrisy, you are crying out "I am not here to please you".... You that bolded the part where I said I am rude and temperamental, am I here to please you with my politeness?

Kiss my ass ! Bye!

budaatum:
Oh mein Gott, buda is in trouble! Michellekabod2 will stop buying buda data until buda kisses Michellekabod2 ass!

I know someone who does what you're doing here. Did he infect you?

Michellekabod2:

Am done replying you

pansophist:
libchick, See eh, we can agree to disagree. As it seems, my points have been made. You surely do not have to agree to it. Continuing this discourse will appear to simple-minds as misogyny (I have been accused of such here often, like ad-hominem, even if they never point out exactly the misogyny is my arguments), criticizing feminism or bad behaviors are often interpreted as hate by women and some men. Mind you, I do not have that impression with you, just saying. I think if women do well with reporting rapes, then reporting sexism at work is not far-fetched, sitting down doing nothing and complain is worse than the former. 

Also, it is clear that we both operate with a different frame of thoughts. Your thoughts are quite feminine in outlook, while mine is masculine. I do understand your points and somewhat have the ability to plug into the female frame of thoughts, I can only imagine if you can do the same, and see it from the male perspective. I can only understand, not experience women's struggles, though, I wholly empathize with it. I am critical and will not just accept whichever doctrine that is ushered by feminist without proper scrutiny. As a man, I could see, and experience clearly the struggles of men, but somehow, women, and society do not give a shiit, even if they scream that they do. in the awakening of women's right, the pendulum has swung too far that there is an imbalance, and it's taking a detriment on men. In the words of MLK, injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

Women cant have all the rights without responsibility and expect humanity to be sustainable, it doesn't work that way. So far, I would expect some kind of cautioning from feminist towards their members that are basically misandrist. I see girls wearing clothes like ''the future is female'', ''male tears'', hashtag killAllMen, or even feminist spearhead, such as Andrea Dworkin spill such hate that if a man does all that, he would be jailed. It seems like honor is expected only from men, but not from women. Women want to be treated as equals, but actually don't want equal treatment. This is not equal to me. It's female privileges and male oppression. In my previous post, I mentioned many ways men are oppressed, but none of you spoke against it, you just ignored and cherry-picked arguments you could handle. 

Hopefully, in your quest for equal rights, you are conscious enough to know when the battle was won, to see when it has become the oppressed doing the oppression, to take responsibility, to and know when to stop. 

I have been privilege to see from both worlds of men and women that is why I hold the belief that rights should be elevated for both genders. I want to Know why you have a problem with women fighting for feminism (whether it's the meaning I give it or if it's the meaning Lib chick gives it) Do you feel that since men endure their supposed oppression females should do like wise? That both genders should just be quiet about theit individual oppressions or tackles both oppressions as I subscribe?

For example I was talking about rape with a male colleague some time back. He said guys also get raped but girls always cry out rape. I wondered whether because you guys feel you should be mute about it and thus girls should do likewise. How about standards are ensured no gender is a victim of rape? Instead of buying the idea that guys are also rape and so nothing so gals should make a big deal?