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Each deity of devotional following has its own staff.

It is the virtue of the Office of Priest for the cult.

Negro_Ntns:

Each deity of devotional following has its own staff.

It is the virtue of the Office of Priest for the cult.

I see, well actually I know some of this already. To be honest I hoped that you were going down another route.

I will just follow quietly.

. . . well, I appreciate that

but you know since this topic was not opened for religion I cannot go into detail on your line of thought, however let me go back to the three ages of Adam consciousness and give clarity to your thought.

In Obatala, it occurs as a primal event - at the origin of man. Adam's life spanned three ages of human conscience.

1. As a resident in Eden - a state of infinity
2. As a resident outside of Eden - in a state of finite limitations or constraints
3. As a learner in the wilderness of the cosmos - a state of transformation.

Obatala, as a planetary deity, coincided with the stage of life constraints.

Look at 2 and 3. . . . Obatala is the custodian of 2 but Esu is the custodian of 3. The two act in unison. . .

Obatala has an opening or a womb, an outlet to give man prosperity. Because man emanated as an EGO in Eden, it becomes increasingly difficult for him to submit willingly and has to be forced through constraints and limitations to learn that he is but a finite being. . . limited.

This is where Esu comes in. Esu uses paradoxical lessons (dualities) to discipline man in his own incapacities and through that man learns wisdom. If he becomes successful in these lessons and learns to subdue his EGO, then his spirit is re-awakened (transform and rebirth) to a pseudo-Eden state of consciousness. The reward for that is the opening of that womb (prosperity) in Obatala's custody.

The 2 stage is ruled by number 7.
The 3 stage is ruled by number 40.

send me an email we can do sidebar talk on these stuff.

@Negro_Ntns
i gbadun your style oh
i never knew History could be this interesting,
you're not a lecturer now, are you?
if you're not, then you probably missed your calling

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There is an old book called  Al-Ansaab(Lineages) in which the oral yemeni traditions are captured in writing  by a writer called as-sahari  . he transcribes from the famous yemeni oral historian names ubaid bin shariya in which he explains the poem:
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ولقد بَلغْتَ مِنَ البلادِ مَبَالِغاً ,  ياذا المنار فمَنْ يُرُومُ لحاقكا
قُدْتَ الجيادَ فامعنت في برها ,  وحملت منها في السفين كذلكا
حتى وطي جمعاك حيث تثبتت ,  اولادُ حام في فضاء بلادكا
أوغلتَ عَبْداً فاستقر به النوى ,  حيث العجيب بغير خلق رجالكا
You had traversed the ultimate extent of all the lands         Oh Dhu Manaar so then, who desires to see your traces
You made ready the steeds for deep excursions of lands      and brought back goods in your sea vessels
Your routes were so extensive, even Ham's children            came to realize the far reaches of your territory(They were settled in the territories. Like the U.S. with homesteaders or British with Boers)
Abd pushed further inland founding aplace to settle    where there were a strange lot of creation(gorillas or monkeys)

the poem continues on
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فأتاك بالنسناس خلق وجوهم ,  في الصدر منهم قادهم لبنانكا
أنت القهُور فما نُزَامُ بِذلّة ,  نعم الخليفة في البلاد فعالكا
من ذا يُجَاري إن سَمْوت لحظَّةٍ ,  هيهات أعجزهم سُمُوّ سنائكا
جمعوا الملوك لما رأوا من كندة ,  كرما لحمير إذ عَلَتْ بعلائكا
You came upon monkeys, the likes of their faces                                            are in their chests(posture) You lead them with your fingertips(captured them)
You being strong, we never died groveling and humiliated                                surely the successor in the land was from your operations(maintained and left a good stable govt.)
So who is it that tries to follow(you) when you raised the bar                           Far away is their weak(from you)and your light is high in the sky
The Kinda kings(yemeni tribe) gathered when they saw                                    the gifts from Himyar(yemeni tribe) and they rose(in power) from your eminence

The Yemeni Orator Ubayd explains to AS-Sahari that :
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قال عبيد بن شربة: فسار أبرهة ذو المنار غازيا نحو الغرب ومعه ابنه العبد بن أبرهة على مقدمته، واستخلف على اليمن ابنه أفريقتش بن أبرهة، فسار حتى أوغل في البلاد، وبلغ بلاد السودان فقضى فيها برا وبحرا. فلما أمعن بَدَالَهُ في المقام فأقام وسّرح ابنه العبد في غرب الأرض حتى انتهى إلى بلاد النسناس، إلى قوم وجوهم في صدورهم، فإذا كان النهار استخفوا في الماء من حَرَّ الشمس، واذا كان الليل خرج بعضهم إلى بعض، فوضع فيهم السيف فأبادهم، ورجع إلى أبيه بنفر منهم فقدم بهم على أبيه فَذُعِر الناس منهم، فسمي العبد بذلك ذا الأذعار ولما رجع أبرهة من مسيره ذلك أمر بمنار قَبُنى له، وأوقد عليه ليُهْتَدى به، فسمى أبرهة بذلك ذا المنار. وقال في ذلك اليحموم بن مالك بن زيد بن المثاب بن عمرو ذي اُنس:
Abraha Dhul-Manar went out on a military expedition in a western direction(Africa) and he had with him his son Al-Abd bin Abraha, who was leading the expedition. He left behind in Yemen his son Ifriqish bin Abraha(from whom the continent Africa takes it name) to handle affairs. He traveled until they went to the extent of the land and scouted all of it. They reached the Sudan(Land from Ethiopia all the way to Senegal)He ruled in it by land and by sea. When he surveyed and scouted his commercial prospects in a place , he then settled there (for settlement-possibly Ethiopia hence the DNA distribution theory)and sent his son Al-Abd out to the western lands until he came to a land of monkeys and group where their faces are in their chests. They (monkeys or gorillas) went to the waters(rivers) when it was daytime to hide from the scorching sun and when it was night time they all came out and gathered together. He(Al-Abd) put the sword to them and ran them off and returned to his father with a group of them(gorillas). He presented them to his father  and the people became very frightened from them, so Al-Abd from that was named Dhul-Adthar(One who frightens). When Abraha returned from his travels, he summoned for a high landmark with a type of lamp or lighthouse and it was built for him and it was lighted for one to be guided by. Abraha because of that was named Dhul-Manar(one with light)

This narration is about Abraha the son of Raish of the mighty Raish kings who progenitor is named Al-harith bin sadad who is from the lineage of Saba
This makes me look at the witness of the jews who say:   
The sons of Cush: Seba, Havilah, Sabta, Raamah and Sabteca. The sons of Raamah: Sheba and Dedan.

or how Flavius Josephus says in his Antiquity of the Jews, book 8 chapter 6, that it was the "queen of Egypt and Ethiopia" who visited King Solomon

or how In Ethiopian Orthodox tradition, the third of these Shebas (Joktan's son) is considered the primary ancestor of the original Semitic component in their ethnogenesis, while Sabtah and Sabtecah, sons of Cush, are considered the ancestors of the Cushitic element


Link about the eredo wall in southern nigeria which is believed by locals to be Bilqis of the Quraan or Sheba of the bible who is from none other than Yemen
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/607382.stm

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DNA of an individual from ftdna.com
12 Marker Y-DNA Matches
Exact Matches
Country Your Matches Comment
Kenya              1           Kaba         
Nigeria       1                  Yoruba
Saudi Arabia     1                     -
Yemen       1                    -


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"Abstract

On the basis of a sample of 117 chromosomes, we have demonstrated the multicentric origin of the sickle mutation in Northern Oman. Three major haplotypes coexist: 52.1% Benin (typical and atypicals), 26.7% Arab-India, and 21.4% Bantu. These haplotypes are not autochthonous to Oman but originated elsewhere and arrived in Oman by gene flow. The distribution of haplotypes is in excellent agreement with the historical record, which establishes clear ancient contacts between Oman and sub-Sahara west Africa and explains the presence of the Benin haplotype; contacts with Iraq, Iran, present-day Pakistan, and India explain the presence of the Arab-India haplotype. More recent contacts with East Africa (Zanzibar/Mombasa) explain the presence of the Bantu haplotype. The pattern of the Arab-India haplotype in the populations of the Arabian peninsula reinforces the hypothesis that this particular mutation originated in the Harappa culture or in a nearby population and in addition reveals that the Sassanian Empire might have been the vehicle by which this Indo-European sickle mutation migrated (gene flow) to the present-day Arabian peninsula, including Oman."

Read more: http://savethetruearabs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=59#ixzz1Vez9qBAD

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Shaikh Adam Abdellah Al Illori says that the Yoruba of "West Africa" are a branch of the descendants of Ya'arub found in "North Africa" who separated from the descendants of Ya'arub in the Yemen and Hijaz. Shaikh Adam Abdellah Al Illori is from the Yoruba tribe.

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where is this sheikh from?

@ the arabic moniker

if indeed his theory is true, i think it might be perhaps one of many waves of migrations into yorubaland.

there are still many things nobody has been able to pinpoint for sure.

I read this quite mind tasking. I however think there are lots of pieces to be put together depending on what time of history is being considered.
I believe there were aboriginal people in ancient Ile Ife such as Agboniregun( search the Ooyelagbo history of the Oru(Horus) people).There were waves of returnee or migrants(they may have been from Ife Kingdom before moving Eastward or were the priests of the Egyptian kingdoms and returned home(western Africa) when the conditions in Egypt changed.
However at certain time in history some that has to do with sea or water also came and i want to believe some like Oduduwa, Orisha, Oluweri,Obatala, Olokun, Yemoja may have been contemporaries.
Ogun may have been a war general and engineer whom Oranmiyan may have taken power from at ancient Ife as another wave of military power at a much later time to the original aborigines and Oduduwa which may have been over 2000 years of Agboniregun times at Ife before Oduduwa and company came and may be another several hundreds or thousand years before Oranmiyan.
About the Yemeni connection, there could have been some parts of the Yoruba groups that came from he Arabian Pennisula but not all. The Yoruba of today is a mix of related and distinct people and may have been a large and powerful tribe in ancient world before the Sahara became dry grounds.
Consider these groups of Yoruba:Ekiti, Oyo, Ijebu, Ikale/Ilaje(Ugbo), Awori(Olofin), they may have been distinct empires themselves before the latter unifications at different times:
1. Ancient Ife - of the Agboniregun stock(may be the OOYELAGBO if true)
2. The Oduduwa-Orisha, Olokun, Oluweri, Yemoja etc (uniting the eastern half of Yoruba together with ancient Ife)
3. The Ogun - Oranmiyan era which lead to the story of the last 1000 years.
In their various groups, a whole lots of Yoruba may have been a part of the ancient Kemet or ancient Egypt whether the empire reaching west Africa is what should be researched

U guys seem to be doing good wit the efforts but all these are assumptions without facts

Yoruba origin is Ile-Ife simple

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NegroNtns:



Our capabilities vary but they can narrowly be classified into four primary areas of engagement and inner drive -

1. passionate drive for social co-mingling and survival (The Socialite)

Social co-mingling and survival are two very different things.

In assessment of our capabilities, Yorubas have failed three out of the four capabilities - we are good at the Socialite aspect and very seasoned in Political manipulations. . .this is our forte! We have not contributed much to our own progress, have abandoned our means of sustenance and failed to invest in a new understanding for our future

Hm, wbb

debosky:
I'll leave the question here for others to try to answer - can you explain your linkage of OBA ATALA to ATLANTIS?

Atlantis is from atlas, an ancient greek word meaning bearer of the heavens. Today, atlas means geography, or maps.

Obatala has to do with exploring, migration, etc.

NegroNtns:
The first civilization to navigate the seas were the Pheonicians - Canaanites. They were the original cartographers and invented various ways for calculating bearings and the zenith as well as astronomy. These people were AFRO-ASIATICS and influenced cultures around the Meditarrenean as well as Egypt, Babylon and all in that area. Their Biblical root is Hamitic. All of Hamitic people have knowledge close to the origin of nature and are thus more inclined to practice secret cults. In these practices they often introduce heretics into the worship of GOD. GOD in turn punish their acts of disobedience and scatters them around to dedimate their power and influence over mankind.

IFA came out of the same land and was a pure religion of mankind until it was thus corrupted with heretics. Every Prophet in the monotheistic religion has travelled through this land of Cannan and every one of them that went through there has also sojourned in Egypt for safety. While Canaan is a hot bed. . . .Egypt is a refuge!

IFA, The Obelisk in Ile-Ife, Atala, Osugbo, Yemoja. . . .all of Yoruba deities and devotional worship came from these two lands. Even Orisa Ibeji. . .the mystery of twin births!

Atlantis, Atlas, Atala, . . . . all came from the first Navigators of the seas - the Canaans.

If any one challenge the claim, then come up with the meaning of Atala in Yoruba.

Ala in Yoruba means salvation. It also means division or middle. Therefore atala could be we are saved, or we are equal ( or something like that).

It could also mean we are divided.