excanny:

Can you tell me a country today called Edom?

If you read what the bible says it talks about the place becoming a burning pitch of fire for ever and states that no one will pass through the place again, yet people are still passing through the place. It is not a country by the way. . . . .The place is presently not a burning pitch is it?. . . .

Ofcourse, there were some jews already resident in Egypt before the jews from Jerusalem came to seek refuge in Egypt(and they all met their waterloo there). The already resident jews carried on with their lives to set up the cultural centre at Alexandria. (Jer 24:8-18)

What exactly are you saying? Did you read what was written at all before posting this?. . . .

excanny:

I think we should all hold you responsible for that error. You brought the verse here as one of your supposedly 'failed' prophecies.

I was trying to get at something different, there is nothing in the bible that comes close to a prophecy considering the fact that

1. Most of the writers of the bible remain unknown till this day
2. Most of what the wrote down were written long after the events had happened. They were narrating stories that happened long ago.

Example people always make reference to the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem as one of the prophecies of Jesus in the new testament, but the problem is that all the gospels were written very long after the temple was destroyed so its very easy to predict things after they had already happened, no? Take a look at the book of Daniel, most of it was written after the events it predicted had occurred and its latter predictions all failed and never happened. . . . . .

I will expect a biblical prophecy to be very clear and unambiguous, unlike the cultural and subjective nonsense that is found in the bible. . . .I would expect something as clear as " Human beings will visit the moon in the 19th century" or that "Humans will build nuclear weapons in the future" or that "people will be able to fly from one continent to another in hours in the future" or "talk each other on different continents in real time despite living very far away from each other". . . . .If any of these things had been predicted in the bible then it would have had some credibility, but what do we have in the bible? Predictions that never happened or "prophecies" that were written after the events had happened. . . . .There is nothing in the bible that is new or could not have been written by the ancient people that lived during that time. . . . .

aletheia:

^^For one who claims to be an atheist: what is it that you have against "fagg0ts"

because most supposedly divine men of the christian god, revered by you guys have come to be exposed as hypocritical fagg0ts; and don't forget the catholic priests and little boys




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Ted Haggard is an American evangelical preacher. Founder and former pastor of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado, he is also the founder of the Association of Life-Giving Churches, and he was the leader of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) from 2003 until November 2006.

In November 2006, male-love-peddler and masseur Mike Jones alleged that Haggard had paid him to engage in sex with him for three years and had also purchased and used crystal methamphetamine. A few days later Haggard resigned from all of his leadership positions after he admitted his gay sexual infidelity and methamphetamine use.

Jones said he had only recently learned of Haggard's true identity, and explained his reasons for coming forward by saying, "It made me angry that here’s someone preaching against gay marriage and going behind the scenes having gay sex." Jones made the allegations public in response to Haggard's political support for a Colorado Amendment 43 on the November 7, 2006 Colorado ballot that would ban same-sex marriage in that state. Jones told ABC News, "I had to expose the hypocrisy. He is in the position of influence of millions of followers, and he's preaching against gay marriage. But behind everybody's back [he's] doing what he's preached against." Jones hoped that his statements would sway voters.



Bishop Eddie Long is the senior pastor of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church, a 25,000 member megachurch in unincorporated DeKalb County, Georgia, United States.

On September 21 and 22, 2010, Maurice Robinson, Anthony Flagg, and Jamal Parris filed separate lawsuits in DeKalb County Superior Court alleging that Long used his pastoral influence to coerce them into a sexual relationship with him. On September 24,  Spencer LeGrande, a 4th acuser and  member of a New Birth satellite church in Charlotte, North Carolina, filed a similar suit, claiming sexual misconduct by Long. The plaintiffs state that Long placed the men on the church’s payroll, bought them cars and other gifts, and took them separately on trips to destinations such as Kenya, South Africa, Turks and Caicos Islands, Trinidad, Honduras, New Zealand, and New York City.



Lonnie Frisbee was an American closeted gay Pentecostal evangelist and self-described "seeing prophet" in the late 1960s and 1970s who despite his "hippie" appearance had notable success as a minister and evangelist. Frisbee was a key figure in the Jesus Movement and was involved in the rise of two worldwide denominations (Calvary Chapel and the Vineyard Movement). He eventually died from AIDS in 1993.



John Paulk is a former leader of Focus on the Family's Love Won Out conference and former chairman of the board for Exodus International North America. In September 2000, Paulk was found and photographed in a Washington, D.C. gay bar, and accused by opponents of flirting with male patrons at the bar. Later questioned by gay rights activist Wayne Besen, Paulk denied being in the bar despite photographic proof to the contrary. Initially, FoF's Dr. James Dobson sided with Paulk and supported his claims. Subsequently, Paulk, who himself had written about his habit of lying while he openly lived as a homosexual, confessed to being in the bar, but claimed he entered the establishment for reasons other than sexual pursuits.



In 2006, Latham, the senior pastor of South Tulsa Baptist Church and a member of the powerful Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee, was arrested for "offering to engage in an act of lewdness" with a male undercover police officer

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George Alan Rekers, a far-right Christian leader was encountered and photographed at Miami International Airport returning from an extended overseas trip with a twenty-year-old "rent boy", or gay male love-peddler, known as "Lucien" (later identified as Jo-Vanni Roman). Given his opinion on homosexuals and homosexual behavior, the scandal surrounds Rekers' decision to employ a homosexual escort as a traveling companion, and how that runs contrary to Rekers' public stances on such issues.

Rekers claimed that Lucien was there to help carry Rekers' luggage as Rekers had allegedly had recent surgery, yet Rekers was seen carrying his own luggage when he and Lucien were spotted at the airport. In subsequent interviews, Roman said Rekers had paid him to provide unclothed massages daily, which included focal place touching.



This is just but a few examples. And lest we forget, all em catholic priest scandals with lil boys

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And now, back on topic:

Mudely313. . . . .

Mudley313: Ol boy, leave my Christian people, alone.

When you stump on somebody after you almost beat him to a coma, thats just too much.

Mr. dont over do it. Relax. Give the christians a room to breath. Maybe, they may just come back to their senses, again.


Mazaje, the message starter. I hope you are satisfied, now? Shame on you for starting this deluge of punches.

Mudley313:

because most supposedly divine men of the christian god, revered by you guys have come to be exposed as hypocritical fagg0ts; and don't forget the catholic priests and little boys

I see that you actually avoided answering my question.

For one who claims to be an atheist: what is it that you have against "fagg0ts"

Instead; turning it into an extended diatribe against supposed "men of the christian god". You yourself are guilty of the same things you accuse Christians of: tarring with very broad brush strokes indeed! Please honestly answer these questions, even though I know your dislike of Christianity clouds your objectivity here:

1. Does the fact that some high-profile preachers are gay mean that most other men of the cloth are gay as you allege?

2. Don't the Bible and the Christian God and other Christians condemn the things that these men stand accused of?

The bible is complete,it says a fool say there is no GOD,this is a typical example

@Toba: Re: Did God Really Write The Bible?
[Quote]« #63 on: Today at 02:49:11 AM »

Quote from: nopuqeater on Today at 12:06:39 AM
#58 on: Yesterday at 07:47:15 PM »

Are u making a case for the bible?


Answer; Yes.
Reason: How badly must a thing defeated be mashed up? When its dead, its time to just stop beating it down.


I practice fairness.

I see. Did the relevance of John 14&deuteronomy died with it or survived solely? Pls practice fairness in your response.[/QUote]No muslim depends on the Bible in order to authentic Islam. We just remind you that in your Bible, you have what is similar to what we are showing you from the Quran.

You have just shot ur self or i'll simply say u didn't understand what u wrote

nopuqeater:

@Toba: Re: Did God Really Write The Bible?No muslim depends on the Bible in order to authentic Islam.

U have said the bible is corrupted. Why do Muslims depend on a corrupted 'bible' in other to 'authentic' islam? is islam not authentic without the bible saying it is? So tell me how a 'corrupted' bible is uncorrupted when it comes to it being used to justify islam

nopuqeater:

We just remind you that in your Bible, you have what is similar to what we are showing you from the Quran.

which of the two books came first bible or quran? which can we allege stole some of the contents of the other since they have similar contents. Also how is it possible for ur quran to have similarity with a corrupted book?

Thanks in anticipation of ur response

@Aletheia: « #69 on: Today at 06:14:37 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Mudley313 on Today at 11:15:08 AM
because most supposedly divine men of the christian god, revered by you guys have come to be exposed as hypocritical fagg0ts; and don't forget the catholic priests and little boys

I see that you actually avoided answering my question.
Quote
For one who claims to be an atheist: what is it that you have against "fagg0ts"

Instead; turning it into an extended diatribe against supposed "men of the christian god". You yourself are guilty of the same things you accuse Christians of: tarring with very broad brush strokes indeed! Please honestly answer these questions, even though I know your dislike of Christianity clouds your objectivity here:

1. Does the fact that some high-profile preachers are gay mean that most other men of the cloth are gay as you allege?

2. Don't the Bible and the Christian God and other Christians condemn the things that these men stand accused of?[/Quote]Not really. After all the OT is reduced to a one liner, for the most part of "Love God with all your heart. And love your neighbors as you will love yourself". There is no place in the NT where homosexuality is condemned. NT is what you reckon with. You ony go to OT when it fits your agenda, and you cant find it in the incomplete NT.

No wonder the another comforter is so important.


Aletheia, try the Quran and hadith. What you will not see, right away is under the layer of the explanation of the very verse. Its like the Rib area issue. On the first look, ordinary eyes will not catch it. This is why we have hadith to give you a tutorial on the topic of the lecture. Then explanation of the Hadith will give you a clearer picture. The people will knowledge will say, "so you see it now".

This is similar to the Quranic verse that talks about penetrating the heavens, by the Will of Allah. It is the air travel in all its forms.

@Toba: « #72 on: Today at 08:03:01 PM »

You have just shot your self or i'll simply say u didn't understand what u wrote
Quote from: nopuqeater on Today at 07:27:31 PM
@Toba: Re: Did God Really Write The Bible?No muslim depends on the Bible in order to authentic Islam.
U have said the bible is corrupted. Why do Muslims depend on a corrupted 'bible' in other to 'authentic' islam? is islam not authentic without the bible saying it is? So tell me how a 'corrupted' bible is uncorrupted when it comes to it being used to justify islam

Quote from: nopuqeater on Today at 07:27:31 PM
We just remind you that in your Bible, you have what is similar to what we are showing you from the Quran.
which of the two books came first bible or quran? which can we allege stole some of the contents of the other since they have similar contents. Also how is it possible for your quran to have similarity with a corrupted book?

Thanks in anticipation of your response[quote][/Quote]While Quran does not have similar content on any particular subject, with the Bible, I can cleary use that to support my argument that The Quran did not steal from the Bible on any of the stories they both narrated. If you can show me a similarity, I will say it is the only material that the Bible get right. Read the story of Moses; any area of his life. Read the story of Noah. Read the story of Ibrahim. Read the story of Jesus. Read the story of Ismail. Read the story of Isiaq. Read the story of yahya. read the story of Lut. Read the story of Joseph. Read the story of Pharaoh. Tell me anywhere the two converged?

Which of the two books came first is completely similar to which of the two ideas about the shape of the earth came first; flat that came first is wrong. Spherical that came last is correct. This is Bible, and Quran. Did the person who said the earth is spherical steal from the one who says the earth is flat, since they are talking about the same earth? The answer is no. Though the later is correct and the proofs are many. One he said if the earth is flat, you will travel long enough and get to the edge. One foot forward will tip you over to fall off.

The fact that you can walk in a straight line and come back to where you started from is a proof that the earth is Spherical (I know he said round against being flat. The truth is that we know from looking at the earth from space is that it is spherical).

mazaje:

If you read what the bible says it talks about the place becoming a burning pitch of fire for ever and states that no one will pass through the place again, yet people are still passing through the place. It is not a country by the way. . . . .The place is presently not a burning pitch is it?. . . .

It is figurative. The phrase 'fire burning for ever and ever' there and in some places in the Bible means complete destruction. It's burning forever also means that people will continue to remember them only in the pages of history, as you and I are doing now.

Ofcourse, there were some jews
already resident in Egypt before
the jews from Jerusalem came to
seek refuge in Egypt(and they all
met their waterloo there). The
already resident jews carried on
with their lives to set up the
cultural centre at Alexandria. (Jer
24:8-18)

What exactly are you saying? Did
you read what was written at all
before posting this?. . . .
Posted

It seems i didn't get my point across. Sorry for that. What i'm saying is that there are 2 sets of Jews in question.(1) The ones already resident in Egypt[Jer. 24:8] and (2)the ones who fled to Egypt to seek refuge when Nebuchadnezzar planned to destroy Jerusalem. The Jews that God said would have no remnant were those in group 2, who were fleeing from Jerusalem.

aletheia:

I see that you actually avoided answering my question.

1. because i am not obligated to answer any one of your questions, especially when it had nothing whatsoever to do with the thread topic. 2. because your question came out of just trying to be a smart azz in defense of your e-christian brother who was attempting to derail the thread by employing the usual diversionary christian hypocritical christ-like(?) antics of name calling and verbal abuse 3. your question ("^^For one who claims to be an atheist: what is it that you have against "fagg0ts") was just a smart azz attempt to somehow equate atheism with fagg0try while dubiously attempting to negate the fact that christians(like the e-christian brother you were jumping in to defend), and even their highly acclaimed and revered leaders, can also (and have been well documented) to be gays. 4. the first part of your question ("^^For one who claims to be an atheist:) is false, so i wasn't even sure if you were actually referring the question to me in the first place, for never have i ever "claimed" (according to you) to be an atheist. maybe bearing false witness is now one of the virtues of christianity, which takes me to answer number 5. which is that, i just wanted to expose the hypocrisy that is the christian religion (ala your smart azz questions), and will be delving more into that later

Instead; turning it into an extended diatribe against supposed "men of the christian god".

oh, they're now "supposed" men of the christian god after being exposed for their hypocrisy. well, most of the aforementioned men still stand on pulpits to preach the word till this day so whether you like it or not, they're still men representing the christian god

now to answer your questions (not because i'm actually obligated to but just because i got a lot of sunday time on my hands right now)

1. Does the fact that some high-profile preachers are gay mean that most other men of the cloth are gay as you allege?

i don't know about that, but it just goes to prove the extent of hypocrisy that abounds amongst those who practice the christian faith (nairaland is one typical example as the christian posters are fraught to be the most unchrist-like in mannerism; nigeria is a better/broader example: lots of fanatical christians and more churches per sq mile than any other country i can think of, but still, fraud and corruption remains a normal thing out there)

2. Don't the Bible and the Christian God and other Christians condemn the things that these men stand accused of?

yes, they purportedly do. but the same christian god who supposedly wrote "thou shall not kill" in stone tablets(lol) in one of his commandments, in the same breath, orders people to kill, murder, despoil, pillage the lands of others. the same christian god who came down in human form to die for his own self (lol again) preaching love and peace, is the same bloodthirsty egomaniac in the old testament (or isn't he?); the same tyrannical monster who has no problem with slavery or unjustified killing of innocent women and children in a spat of  unwarranted genocidal rampages, but in the same vain is labeled "all-loving" by his bunch of deluded followers. this same god in one breath wants a man to have not more than one wife but is ok with one of his anointed heroes (solomon) having hundreds of wives and concubines. christians, their god, and their bible supposedly condemn murder but christianity historically remains the religion with the most killings under it's belt in the name of their god. i know the slaves of allah are attempting a catch-up in this regard, but you get my drift?

More examples of high profile christian hypocrisy:

A hypocrite exposing a hypocrite-



In 1986, evangelist Jimmy Swaggart began on-screen attacks against fellow televangelists Marvin Gorman and Jim Bakker. He uncovered Gorman's affair with a member of Gorman's congregation, and also helped expose Bakker's infidelity (which was arranged by a colleague while on an out-of-state trip).These exposures received widespread media coverage. Gorman retaliated in kind by hiring a private investigator to uncover Swaggart's own adulterous indiscretions with a love-peddler. Swaggart was subsequently forced to step down from his pulpit for a year and made a tearful televised apology in February 1988 to his congregation, saying "I have sinned against you, my Lord, and I would ask that your precious blood would wash and cleanse every stain until it is in the seas of God's forgiveness."

Swaggart was caught again by California police three years later in 1991 with another love-peddler, Rosemary Garcia, who was riding with him in his car when he was stopped for driving on the wrong side of the road. When asked why she was with Swaggart, she replied, "He asked me for sex. I mean, that's why he stopped me. That's what I do. I'm a love-peddler."



Joe Barron, one of the 40 ministers at Prestonwood Baptist Church, one of the largest churches in the United States with 26,000 members, was arrested on May 15, 2008 for solicitation of a minor after driving from the Dallas area to Bryan, Texas, in order to allegedly engage in sexual relations with what he thought to be a 13 year-old girl he had met online. The "girl" turned out to be an undercover law enforcement official.



Kenyan-born Deya moved to the United Kingdom in the 1990s and started a number of churches. He claims to have supernatural powers that allow him to make infertile women become pregnant and give birth. However, police investigations in the UK and Kenya concluded that Deya and his wife were stealing Kenyan babies. Deya was arrested in London during December 2006 and as of April 2010 he is currently fighting extradition to Kenya.



Tilton is an American televangelist who achieved notoriety in the 1980s and early 1990s through his paid television program Success-N-Life. At its peak, it aired in all 235 American TV markets. In 1991, Diane Sawyer and ABC News conducted an investigation of Tilton. The investigation, broadcast on ABC's Primetime Live on November 21, 1991, found that Tilton's ministry threw away prayer requests without reading them, keeping only the money or valuables sent to them by viewers, garnering his ministry an estimated $80 million USD a year. In the original investigation, one of Tilton's former prayer hotline operators claimed that the ministry cared little for desperate followers who called for prayer, saying that Tilton had a computer installed in July 1989 to make sure that the phone operators were off the line in seven minutes. Tilton sued ABC for libel in 1992, but the case was dismissed in 1993, and Tilton's show was off the air by October 30, 1993.



Gortner rose to fame in the late 1940s as a child preacher, but he had simply been trained to do this by his parents and he had no personal faith. He was able to perform "miracles" and received large amounts of money in donations. After suffering a crisis of conscience, he invited a film crew to accompany him on a final preaching tour. The resulting film, Marjoe, mixes footage of revival meetings with Gortner's explanations of how evangelists manipulate their audiences. It won the 1972 Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature, but was never screened in the Southern United States due to fears that it would cause outrage in the Bible Belt.


If highly revered anointed men of the christian god can be this hypocritical, how much more the less anointed followers

TORDOO:

The bible is complete,it says a fool say there is no GOD,this is a typical example

and you my friend are a typical example of a brainwashed slowpoke who can't seem to think for his deluded self but relies on the wisdom of ancient jewish goat herders who thought the sun revolved around the earth

you believe in a god who sent a piece of himself to kill himself as a sacrifice to himself and you're here calling people fools. deluded goat

^^^
1. I don't have any problem with your posting the foibles or shortcomings or hypocrisy of Ted Haggard et al. Like I pointed out, the bible and God and other Christians condemn such.
2. Please be truthful and honest since you claim the moral high ground: Where did I equate atheism with homosexualism? Aren't you now being guilty of the same thing you accused Christians of? Tarring with rather broad brush strokes?

Mudley313:

your question ("^^For one who claims to be an atheist: what is it that you have against "fagg0ts") was just a smart azz attempt to somehow equate atheism with fagg0try while dubiously attempting to negate the fact that christians(like the e-christian brother you were jumping in to defend), and even their highly acclaimed and revered leaders, can also (and have been well documented) to be gays.

Surely you can be more civil than this, have I in any way insulted you or called you a smartass?

3. I was under the apprehension that you were an atheist and I apologize if you are not and find it offensive that I thought you were one.

Mudley313:

the first part of your question ("^^For one who claims to be an atheist:) is false, so i wasn't even sure if you were actually referring the question to me in the first place, for never have i ever "claimed" (according to you) to be an atheist. maybe bearing false witness is now one of the virtues of christianity,

Mudley313:

oh, they're now "supposed" men of the christian god after being exposed for their hypocrisy. well, most of the aforementioned men still stand on pulpits to preach the word till this day so whether you like it or not, they're still men representing the christian god

^^^Be fair, I was rehashing your own words back at you.

Mudley313:

because most supposedly divine men of the christian god,. . .

They may be men representing God; but whether God Himself considers that they represent Him is another matter entirely!

Mudley313:

now to answer your questions (not because i'm actually obligated to but just because i got a lot of sunday time on my hands right now)

i don't know about that, but it just goes to prove the extent of hypocrisy that abounds amongst those who practice the christian faith (nairaland is one typical example as the christian posters are fraught to be the most unchrist-like in mannerism; nigeria is a better/broader example: lots of fanatical christians and more churches per sq mile than any other country i can think of, but still, fraud and corruption remains a normal thing out there). . .

Sadly what you say is true. . .and no Christian I know defends these. But you do realize that the Bible explicitly says that these things will happen.

Matthew 7:21-23. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Is it God's will that men lie, cheat, commit paedophilia and homosexual acts? The answer is No. And it is actually a very weak argument to suggest that because certain men of God are living in disobedience to his will, then that makes the bible untrue. Concerning the condition of the Church and society itself in the end of the age: Jesus does make emphatic declarations that we see being fulfilled in our time. "Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

2 Timothy 3:1-5. This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

The Bible has much to say about the human condition: It is God's Message to Man, and I would urge you to read it with an open heart.

Jeremiah 29:13: And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Aaah! 'Let a bear robbed of her whelps meet a man rather than a fool in his folly'. Muddled, you should be worried, you do not continue to disappoint only me but also the ones you love. Scandals are not the norm, they are scandals. You don't use scandals to generalise. Scandals happen everywhere; schools, institutions, courts, prison, homes, universities, organisations everywhere.
You choose to believe scandals hook, line and sinker but you're hopeless against the great things of God. Do you accept the wonderful works of grace and righteousness in scriptures and among great christians of old and now? Grow up and stop having muscle pulls over nothing.

@ aletheia. i don't normally like going back and forth in unending arguments with strangers on the internet, since no one is likely to back down from preconceived notions (they got either through brainwash or just simply using your brain) but i would accord you the decency of trying to reply to your arguments since you're coming at me civil, unlike the attention seeking hypocrite and closeted gay guy above me

aletheia:

^^^
1. I don't have any problem with your posting the foibles or shortcomings or hypocrisy of Ted Haggard et al. Like I pointed out, the bible and God and other Christians condemn such.

like i reiterated earlier, its the same way the bible and its jewish god condemns the act of murder but in the same breath encourages (in the case of the bible) and orders (in the case of its god) the senseless massacre and slaughtering of others; the same god you christians claim to be just and all loving, advocates slavery, goes on mindless genocidal rampages and unessecary and unwarranted murders, like some kids making fun of an old man or some dude who dropped some ark. Christians on their part, have historically killed more people in the name of their god than all of the other religions combined.

what i'm driving at here is the hypocrisy both in the bible, the bible god and christians in general. what you typed up there is exactly the same defense the muslims employ when the al-qeadas, boko harams etc commit senseless atrocities and say "our religion condemns such" or "we're a religion of peace" when the actions are otherwise

2. Please be truthful and honest since you claim the moral high ground: Where did I equate atheism with homosexualism? Aren't you now being guilty of the same thing you accused Christians of? Tarring with rather broad brush strokes?

Surely you can be more civil than this, have I in any way insulted you or called you a smartass?

1. i never claimed any moral high ground 2. with the initial question you asked, you and i know, you were trying to infer that christians are usually anti-gay while atheist are pro-gay, its why i bombarded you with numerous examples of the hypocrisy of such a stand. the male-attention-seeking closeted gay poster above me is a typical example

3. I was under the apprehension that you were an atheist and I apologize if you are not and find it offensive that I thought you were one.
^^^Be fair, I was rehashing your own words back at you.

i understand you being under the apprehension impression that i am atheist; nothin against that, but you dubiously stated that in your question ("for one who claims to be an atheist" that i am one who claimed such when never have i done such a thing. i dont like to put myself under any label i just dont believe in fairytale stories (the bible), mythical entities (the bible god) and dont ascribe to all the atrocious bulcrap written by ancient goat herders just because i was brainwashed to do that as a child or because some white land grabbers and slave runners forced my forefathers to adopt their foreign religion in order to better control and take advantage of them

They may be men representing God; but whether God Himself considers that they represent Him is another matter entirely!

an entity (or in this case, god) cannot put into consideration who does or doesn't represent him/she/it when such an entity is OBVIOUSLY non-existent. no god ever came down to appoint anyone to represent him. since the advent of time, its MEN who have claimed to represnt whatever god. thus, those self-appointed men of god are as credible as a moses who claimed to receive writing on a tablet from god and in the process seeing god's back, or joseph smiths claim of receiving tablets from angels, or mohammed receiving visions from allah, or guru maharaji claiming to be god himself. only difference is in the absurdity of their claims itself

Sadly what you say is true. . .and no Christian I know defends these. But you do realize that the Bible explicitly says that these things will happen.
Is it God's will that men lie, cheat, commit paedophilia and homosexual acts? The answer is No. And it is actually a very weak argument to suggest that because certain men of God are living in disobedience to his will, then that makes the bible untrue. Concerning the condition of the Church and society itself in the end of the age: Jesus does make emphatic declarations that we see being fulfilled in our time. "Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

refer to my earlier statements. the bible is not untrue because of these acts, its just as obviously untrue as stories in the koran or harry porter, for reasons so obvious only blind faith and a total absence of logic will make a full grown adult believe the absurdities that abounds in it

The Bible has much to say about the human condition: It is God's Message to Man, and I would urge you to read it with an open heart.

i have (read it with an open heart) and its so obvious that its a collection of jewish myths and folklores sprinkled with unsubstantiated historical accounts (of the JEWISH people) and some supposedly miracle working carpenter named yeshua who for some reason was equated to godly status after his tragic death

unlike the attention seeking hypocrite and closeted gay guy above me the male- attention-seeking closeted gay poster above me is a typical example

Common, behave yourself. This is the religion section, you don't have to talk about your sinful lovelife here. Take your human rights elsewhere or repent. You need to be told, a bleak future awaits you except you repent. Jesus loves you too

Did God Really Write The Bible? >>> Yes

Pls then provide here on this thread, an encompassing coherent story of the resurrection of Jesus, the happenings about the tomb.

And also find that balance in Judas' death.

Uyi Iredia:

Did God Really Write The Bible? >>> Yes

How do you know?

Kay 17:

Pls then provide here on this thread, an encompassing coherent story of the resurrection of Jesus, the happenings about the tomb.

And also find that balance in Judas' death.

And that 'encompassing coherent story' will make you believe that God exists and that He wrote the bible?

@Image123: Try him, instead of asking questions about his conviction. If you dont know the story, if there is a real coherent story, then just walk away. God is not the Author of confusion, says the Bible with so much confusion, mystery, etc.

I could, if it is very convincing.

Kay 17:

I could, if it is very convincing.

That's a tough call given that the gospels are over very convincing already. But i'll try then, but you'll need to learn some patience o, i can't guarantee immediate answers, don't have much time on nl these days for 'elaborations'. Rephrase your question, break it down into simpler term, seems a bit too general.
nopuq, go and count some beads or something.

Uyi Iredia:

Did God Really Write The Bible? >>> Yes

You can't just answered YES and walked away.Give me the proof.

kola oloye:

You can't just answered YES and walked away.Give me the proof.

there is no proof, apart from in the bible itself. what do you expect from a book written by people with the intention to convert; same as every other religious texts out there (written by humans; with absurd claims of divine inspiration)

Did someone hack into kola's account?watch

Which account are you talking about,the CBN or UNION account?
As for the FIRST BANK,I've already close that one.

You were asked a simple question,you ran away looking for peoples account.

And who asked me a simple question from which i ran away looking for people's account? Is this false accusation or careless talk?

I was only pulling your legs.Are you afraid?
Fear not JESUS IS LORD.

kola oloye:

You can't just answered YES and walked away.Give me the proof.

Does this mean that you don't believe that God "wrote" the Bible?

OLAADEGBU:

Does this mean that you don't believe that God "wrote" the Bible?

I only asked for the proof.You can give me the link or otherwise for references.
Thanks in anticipation.