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Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Thickmatchcom: 9:40am On Oct 05, 2019
You Haven't Cheated God If You Use Your Tithe To Help The Needy - Rev. Fr Oluoma

Reverend Father John Chinenye Oluoma , priest of the catholic archdiocese of Abuja has resurrected the tithing argument after a video clip of him telling his church members that they can dedicate their tithe to helping the needy as opposed to bringing it to church.

In the clip which has since gone viral, the priest can be seen stating that if a Christian witnesses an accident and the only spare money they have is their tithe, it is good to use it to save the life of the accident victim, instead of bringing it to church for the pastor.

He added that by so doing, the person is not cheating God but a greedy man of God who is making people believe that their tithe must be brought to the altar of the church before it will be accepted by God.

Some social media users can already suspect that this makes interesting for Daddy Freeze, who is always slamming Nigerian pastors for demanding tithes and accusing them of preaching a filtered gospel to suit their agenda.

The controversial media personality has always emphasized the fact that it is not necessary for one to pay tithes as God never demands money from humans in the first place.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpNXxioRLlQ

https://thickmatch.com/havent-cheated-god-use-tithe-help-needy-rev-fr-oluoma/

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by PaChukwudi44(m): 3:22pm On Oct 05, 2019
Beautiful teaching.God bless you Padre.Lalasticlala come and do the needful

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by alBHAGDADI: 6:43pm On Oct 05, 2019
This is a pure rubbish teaching coming from a Catholic Bishop of gay kingdom.

Where did God order that we should do what this preacher said with our tithe? Nowhere. What God said in Malachai 3:10 is that we should bring the tithe to his house. He didn't say we should branch somewhere else with it.

Yes, the pastor's idea seems like a reasonably brilliant and kind one, but that doesn't make it right in God's eyes. Remember that the way man thinks is different from the way God thinks.

Man thinks it is a good thing to give the tithe to someone in need of it. But where did God say such about tithe? Nowhere. He only said to bring it to his house and from there it is distributed to the needy.

Think of it this way: You are on your way to the hospital with 100k to pay for your child's medical bills. Suddenly you found a needy man. Be honest with yourself, will you give the money to the needy man to the detriment of your child in the hospital?

I can bet you won't. So why do you now think it is right to give your tithe to the needy man? Remember, it is God's money and you have no right to decide how to help God spend it, especially when he gave you no such order.

Look, don't let people bamboozle you weird scenarios like the one given by the preacher. Always stand by God's command. The tithe is his, and the only thing you can do with it is to take it to his house, nowhere else.

They may even use your child as an example, saying what if your child is sick and the money needed for treatment is equivalent to the tithe money you have, which is your last dime.

What will I say in this case? Give that money to God because it is his. At this point many will be kicking against me. Little do they know that they are kicking against Jesus who said...


Mathew 10:37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Why do you think Abraham is referred to as a friend of God today? Because he obeyed God by proceeding to sacrifice his son Isaac as commanded by God. He didn't think twice. But people who are not worthy of Jesus are the ones who will disobey him by doing the thoughts of their heart instead of his word.

Proverbs 3:5-6 (KJV)
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by StrikeBack(m): 7:00pm On Oct 05, 2019
As usual albhagdadi

Don't allow OYeDEpO see this. What else should the tithe be for if not for the needy,

Religious establishment is set up as a business in Nigeria.

Rendering service(HOPE) in return for huge money

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Nobody: 7:49pm On Oct 05, 2019
It makes sense. Infact giving to the poor and needy is the only type of giving that Jesus said could determine if someone goes to heaven or not:

Matthew 25:34-36 (KJV)

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 19:21 (KJV)

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Luke 12:33 (KJV)

33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

But never tithing, for there was never a time in the whole Bible, not just in Jesus' teachings, it was said or even suggested that giving of tithes could be factorial in anyone making heaven or not.

In fact, if anything, it was shown to be very inconsequential in that respect, as the Pharisees who prided themselves so much in the giving of tithes, and used it to condemn others who don't tithe, were portrayed by Jesus as the chief candidates of hell during His ministry on Earth:

Matthew 23:15 (KJV)

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Matthew 23:33 (KJV)

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

So if you're someone who over-emphasizes tithing, be afraid for yourself. Or if you know someone else who does, be afraid for that person, for so did the Pharisees.

God bless.

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by alBHAGDADI: 6:08am On Oct 06, 2019
StrikeBack:
As usual albhagda.di
What do you mean?
Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by OkCornel(m): 6:24am On Oct 06, 2019
And yet another tithe debate.

The more you love God and your neighbor, the more you will give to help with the things of God and the welfare of others, be it your money, your time, your talents, even down to the excess possessions you hold.

You are not giving because of what you’re expecting in return, which is a selfish and childish way of thinking.



You are giving because the Holy Spirit has replaced (or replacing) your selfish nature with the fruit of love, which is a selfless nature.


You will eventually see the joy in giving, not because of what you’re expecting from God, but for the joy that comes with putting a smile on God’s face for promoting His kingdom, and solving the challenges of others.

And in that, we can truly say "THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN"


Happy Sunday everyone.

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by alBHAGDADI: 6:30am On Oct 06, 2019
jesusjnr:
It makes sense. Infact giving to the poor and needy is the only type of giving that Jesus said could determine if someone goes to heaven or not:

Matthew 25:34-36 (KJV)

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 19:21 (KJV)

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Luke 12:33 (KJV)

33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

But never tithing, for there was never a time in the whole Bible, not just in Jesus' teachings, it was said or even suggested that giving of tithes could be factorial in anyone making heaven or not.

In fact, if anything, it was shown to be very inconsequential in that respect, as the Pharisees who prided themselves so much in the giving of tithes, and used it to condemn others who don't tithe, were portrayed by Jesus as the chief candidates of hell during His ministry on Earth:

Matthew 23:15 (KJV)

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Matthew 23:33 (KJV)

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

So if you're someone who over-emphasizes tithing, be afraid for yourself. Or if you know someone else who does, be afraid for that person, for so did the Pharisees.

God bless.

Mr heretic, Jesus never said our works play a role in getting us to heaven. He said in John 3:16 that believe is all we need to have eternal life.

John 3:16 (KJV)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


His apostle Paul also condemned works as a criteria to make heaven. Paul corroborated Jesus when he said faith/believe is what saves us, not works.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Even the passage you quoted showed that the people whom Jesus commended for good works were already on his right hand. How did they get there? They got there because he saved them for having faith in him. It is that faith that led them to do good works while on Earth. It is not the good works that got them saved, otherwise Jesus death would be said to be useless to them since they could work their way into heaven.

You are here glorifying work based salvation and at the same time condemning the Pharisees for boasting about their works. Since you believe in work based salvation, you are no different in that you will also boast about your works on judgment day. But see what the passage said below about salvation. Read the bold


Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

On the judgment day, you will be among those whom Jesus will say he never knew because you are not trusting in him but in your wonderful works

Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


@first bold

What is the will of the father?

John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Do you see how this goes in line with John 3:16?

You are not doing the will of God by believing in Jesus to give you eternal life. Instead you are trusting in your works to save you. You are trying to save yourself. For that you will be damned because you have rejected the finished work of Christ on the cross.

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Nobody: 6:54am On Oct 06, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


Mr heretic, Jesus never said our works play a role in getting us to heaven. He said in John 3:16 that believe is all we need to have eternal life.

John 3:16 (KJV)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


His apostle Paul also condemned works as a criteria to make heaven. Paul corroborated Jesus when he said faith/believe is what saves us, not works.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Even the passage you quoted showed that the people whom Jesus commended for good works were already on his right hand. How did they get there? They got there because he saved them for having faith in him. It is that faith that led them to do good works while on Earth. It is not the good works that got them saved, otherwise Jesus death would be said to be useless to them since they could work their way into heaven.

You are here glorifying work based salvation and at the same time condemning the Pharisees for boasting about their works. Since you believe in work based salvation, you are no different in that you will also boast about your works on judgment day. But see what the passage said below about salvation. Read the bold


Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

On the judgment day, you will be among those whom Jesus will say he never knew because you are not trusting in him but in your wonderful works

Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


@first bold

What is the will of the father?

John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Do you see how this goes in line with John 3:16?

You are not doing the will of God by believing in Jesus to give you eternal life. Instead you are trusting in your works to save you. You are trying to save yourself. For that you will be damned because you have rejected the finished work of Christ on the cross.
You will be damned because you've rejected the Words of Jesus which says He's not going to reward you according to His own finished works but your own works.

Matthew 16:27 (KJV)

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

John 5:29 (KJV)

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

So if Jesus were here you'd also call Him a heretic as the Pharisees did, because you've shown yourself not to be of the Truth but of your father the devil (Liar), by your rejection of His self-explanatory Words which shows works are necessary for any man to be saved.

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by alBHAGDADI: 7:08am On Oct 06, 2019
jesusjnr:
You will be damned because you've rejected the Words of Jesus which says He's not going to reward you according to His own finished works but your own works.

Matthew 16:27 (KJV)

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

John 5:29 (KJV)

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

So if Jesus were here you'd also call Him a heretic as the Pharisees did, because you've shown yourself not to be of the Truth but of your father the devil (Liar), by your rejection of His self-explanatory Words which shows works are necessary for any man to be saved.

Blind bat, reward is different from salvation. Jesus will save first then reward for good works. Stop mixing reward with salvation

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Nobody: 7:11am On Oct 06, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


Blind bat, reward is different from salvation. Jesus will save first then reward for good works. Stop mixing reward with salvation
Antichrist, what is the resurrection of life?

You have rejected the Words of Jesus that would save your soul from hell, but accepted an erroneous teaching that you're saved by grace which would take you there.

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by jamp: 8:14am On Oct 06, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


Mr heretic, Jesus never said our works play a role in getting us to heaven. He said in John 3:16 that believe is all we need to have eternal life.

John 3:16 (KJV)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


His apostle Paul also condemned works as a criteria to make heaven. Paul corroborated Jesus when he said faith/believe is what saves us, not works.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Even the passage you quoted showed that the people whom Jesus commended for good works were already on his right hand. How did they get there? They got there because he saved them for having faith in him. It is that faith that led them to do good works while on Earth. It is not the good works that got them saved, otherwise Jesus death would be said to be useless to them since they could work their way into heaven.

You are here glorifying work based salvation and at the same time condemning the Pharisees for boasting about their works. Since you believe in work based salvation, you are no different in that you will also boast about your works on judgment day. But see what the passage said below about salvation. Read the bold


Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

On the judgment day, you will be among those whom Jesus will say he never knew because you are not trusting in him but in your wonderful works

Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


@first bold

What is the will of the father?

John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Do you see how this goes in line with John 3:16?

You are not doing the will of God by believing in Jesus to give you eternal life. Instead you are trusting in your works to save you. You are trying to save yourself. For that you will be damned because you have rejected the finished work of Christ on the cross.

please answer this question.

will Jesus ask me if i pay tithe on the last day.

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by alBHAGDADI: 8:17am On Oct 06, 2019
jamp:


please answer this question.

will Jesus ask me if i pay tithe on the last day.

No. But when others are counting their blessings here on Earth and also getting rewarded in heaven for it, don't feel down.

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Pavore9: 8:20am On Oct 06, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


Mr heretic, Jesus never said our works play a role in getting us to heaven. He said in John 3:16 that believe is all we need to have eternal life.

John 3:16 (KJV)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


His apostle Paul also condemned works as a criteria to make heaven. Paul corroborated Jesus when he said faith/believe is what saves us, not works.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Even the passage you quoted showed that the people whom Jesus commended for good works were already on his right hand. How did they get there? They got there because he saved them for having faith in him. It is that faith that led them to do good works while on Earth. It is not the good works that got them saved, otherwise Jesus death would be said to be useless to them since they could work their way into heaven.

You are here glorifying work based salvation and at the same time condemning the Pharisees for boasting about their works. Since you believe in work based salvation, you are no different in that you will also boast about your works on judgment day. But see what the passage said below about salvation. Read the bold


Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

On the judgment day, you will be among those whom Jesus will say he never knew because you are not trusting in him but in your wonderful works

Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


@first bold

What is the will of the father?

John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Do you see how this goes in line with John 3:16?

You are not doing the will of God by believing in Jesus to give you eternal life. Instead you are trusting in your works to save you. You are trying to save yourself. For that you will be damned because you have rejected the finished work of Christ on the cross.

Calm down, at the end of our earthly journey we we would all know where we would end up as it is not by jumping from one thread to another being caustic to those of a different view from yours.

It is a sign of mental illness to believe that every other person should see things from your personal worldview.

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by alBHAGDADI: 8:53am On Oct 06, 2019
Pavore9:


Calm down, at the end of our earthly journey we we would all know where we would end up as it not by jumping from one thread to another being caustic to those of a different view from yours.

It is a sign of mental illness to believe that every other person should see things from your personal worldview.

Sorry fella, we are not to wait till we die before we know where we are going to spend eternity. We who have been saved through believe in Jesus Christ know we already have eternal life as we speak.

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by jamp: 8:58am On Oct 06, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


No. But when others are counting their blessings here on Earth and also getting rewarded in heaven for it, don't feel down.

my dear you have answered the question. seek yea the kingdom of God and its righteousness and every other thing will be added on to you.

you dont seek heaven by using tithe to bribe God( so to speak).

mind you its good to pay tithe.

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Amstupid(m): 9:30am On Oct 06, 2019
In d book � of phsycatric undecided

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Apination(m): 9:30am On Oct 06, 2019
alBHAGDADI:
This is a pure rubbish teaching coming from a Catholic Bishop of gay kingdom.

Where did God order that we should do what this preacher said with our tithe? Nowhere. What God said in Malachai 3:10 is that we should bring the tithe to his house. He didn't say we should branch somewhere else with it.

Yes, the pastor's idea seems like a reasonably brilliant and kind one, but that doesn't make it right in God's eyes. Remember that the way man thinks is different from the way God thinks.

Man thinks it is a good thing to give the tithe to someone in need of it. But where did God say such about tithe? Nowhere. He only said to bring it to his house and from there it is distributed to the needy.

Think of it this way: You are on your way to the hospital with 100k to pay for your child's medical bills. Suddenly you found a needy man. Be honest with yourself, will you give the money to the needy man to the detriment of your child in the hospital?

I can bet you won't. So why do you now think it is right to give your tithe to the needy man? Remember, it is God's money and you have no right to decide how to help God spend it, especially when he gave you no such order.

Look, don't let people bamboozle you weird scenarios like the one given by the preacher. Always stand by God's command. The tithe is his, and the only thing you can do with it is to take it to his house, nowhere else.

They may even use your child as an example, saying what if your child is sick and the money needed for treatment is equivalent to the tithe money you have, which is your last dime.

What will I say in this case? Give that money to God because it is his. At this point many will be kicking against me. Little do they know that they are kicking against Jesus who said...


Mathew 10:37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Why do you think Abraham is referred to as a friend of God today? Because he obeyed God by proceeding to sacrifice his son Isaac as commanded by God. He didn't think twice. But people who are not worthy of Jesus are the ones who will disobey him by doing the thoughts of their heart instead of his word.

Proverbs 3:5-6 (KJV)
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
You are ignorant. If you want to follow the Malachi teaching you are so keen on propagating, make sure you quote everything:
"Bring your full tithe to the Temple treasury so there will be ample provisions in my Temple. Test me in this and see if I don't open up heaven itself to you and pour out blessings beyond your wildest dream."
The tithe is not for the pastor but to the temple treasury and giving tithes is to support the levites who had no physical inheritance and is tied to the land Israel received . The priesthood of the levites does not apply to any Christian if that was the case,christ would not have come. Tithes are part of the old covenant and have no place in Christianity which teaches sacrifice and free giving

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by nemelu123(m): 9:31am On Oct 06, 2019
His wrong
Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by mike272(m): 9:31am On Oct 06, 2019
You will hardly see this sort of teachings in churchs

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Zombiekiller010: 9:32am On Oct 06, 2019
alBHAGDADI:
This is a pure rubbish teaching coming from a Catholic Bishop of gay kingdom.

Where did God order that we should do what this preacher said with our tithe? Nowhere. What God said in Malachai 3:10 is that we should bring the tithe to his house. He didn't say we should branch somewhere else with it.

Yes, the pastor's idea seems like a reasonably brilliant and kind one, but that doesn't make it right in God's eyes. Remember that the way man thinks is different from the way God thinks.

Man thinks it is a good thing to give the tithe to someone in need of it. But where did God say such about tithe? Nowhere. He only said to bring it to his house and from there it is distributed to the needy.

Think of it this way: You are on your way to the hospital with 100k to pay for your child's medical bills. Suddenly you found a needy man. Be honest with yourself, will you give the money to the needy man to the detriment of your child in the hospital?

I can bet you won't. So why do you now think it is right to give your tithe to the needy man? Remember, it is God's money and you have no right to decide how to help God spend it, especially when he gave you no such order.

Look, don't let people bamboozle you weird scenarios like the one given by the preacher. Always stand by God's command. The tithe is his, and the only thing you can do with it is to take it to his house, nowhere else.

They may even use your child as an example, saying what if your child is sick and the money needed for treatment is equivalent to the tithe money you have, which is your last dime.

What will I say in this case? Give that money to God because it is his. At this point many will be kicking against me. Little do they know that they are kicking against Jesus who said...


Mathew 10:37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Why do you think Abraham is referred to as a friend of God today? Because he obeyed God by proceeding to sacrifice his son Isaac as commanded by God. He didn't think twice. But people who are not worthy of Jesus are the ones who will disobey him by doing the thoughts of their heart instead of his word.

Proverbs 3:5-6 (KJV)
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
trash

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Heffalump(m): 9:32am On Oct 06, 2019
This is the reason why the Catholic church will continue to grow and witness mammoth growd to the chagrin of other Pentecostal churches because of their teachings. Catholics remain the central backbone of christianity and truth in the kingdom of God.
Many uncircumcised Christians will come here and spew all sorts of insult against this blameless man of God in his royal diadem, simply because he has spoken the truth undecided

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by ursullalinda(f): 9:33am On Oct 06, 2019
Spot on, with the rate of prosperity preaching everywhere the essence of Christianity which is love seems defeated. Giving to God now seems like gambling, you give him this, expecting triple in return so rather than give our neighbour's we give men of God for sharp sharp miracle

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by PureGoldh(m): 9:33am On Oct 06, 2019
daddy freeze where u at? grin
Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Nobody: 9:33am On Oct 06, 2019
All this brouhaha about tithes should stop.

Tithes is all about helping the poor.

Duet. 14 vs 22-29.


All this lies should stop! Eat your tithe and help the poor. That is the basic truth about tithing

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Dozi05(m): 9:36am On Oct 06, 2019
alBHAGDADI:
This is a pure rubbish teaching coming from a Catholic Bishop of gay kingdom.

Where did God order that we should do what this preacher said with our tithe? Nowhere. What God said in Malachai 3:10 is that we should bring the tithe to his house. He didn't say we should branch somewhere else with it.

Yes, the pastor's idea seems like a reasonably brilliant and kind one, but that doesn't make it right in God's eyes. Remember that the way man thinks is different from the way God thinks.

Man thinks it is a good thing to give the tithe to someone in need of it. But where did God say such about tithe? Nowhere. He only said to bring it to his house and from there it is distributed to the needy.

Think of it this way: You are on your way to the hospital with 100k to pay for your child's medical bills. Suddenly you found a needy man. Be honest with yourself, will you give the money to the needy man to the detriment of your child in the hospital?

I can bet you won't. So why do you now think it is right to give your tithe to the needy man? Remember, it is God's money and you have no right to decide how to help God spend it, especially when he gave you no such order.

Look, don't let people bamboozle you weird scenarios like the one given by the preacher. Always stand by God's command. The tithe is his, and the only thing you can do with it is to take it to his house, nowhere else.

They may even use your child as an example, saying what if your child is sick and the money needed for treatment is equivalent to the tithe money you have, which is your last dime.

What will I say in this case? Give that money to God because it is his. At this point many will be kicking against me. Little do they know that they are kicking against Jesus who said...


Mathew 10:37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Why do you think Abraham is referred to as a friend of God today? Because he obeyed God by proceeding to sacrifice his son Isaac as commanded by God. He didn't think twice. But people who are not worthy of Jesus are the ones who will disobey him by doing the thoughts of their heart instead of his word.

Proverbs 3:5-6 (KJV)
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Deuteronomy 14:22-29 New International Version (NIV)
Tithes
22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. 23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always. 24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice. 27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by ednut1(m): 9:37am On Oct 06, 2019
Nonsense. If you dont pay tithe how will pastors buy jets Pls pay your tithe

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Lekanberry(m): 9:38am On Oct 06, 2019
True

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Re: Father John Chinenye Oluoma: Your Tithe Saves The Needy, You Haven't Robbed God by Dozi05(m): 9:38am On Oct 06, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


Mr heretic, Jesus never said our works play a role in getting us to heaven. He said in John 3:16 that believe is all we need to have eternal life.

John 3:16 (KJV)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


His apostle Paul also condemned works as a criteria to make heaven. Paul corroborated Jesus when he said faith/believe is what saves us, not works.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Even the passage you quoted showed that the people whom Jesus commended for good works were already on his right hand. How did they get there? They got there because he saved them for having faith in him. It is that faith that led them to do good works while on Earth. It is not the good works that got them saved, otherwise Jesus death would be said to be useless to them since they could work their way into heaven.

You are here glorifying work based salvation and at the same time condemning the Pharisees for boasting about their works. Since you believe in work based salvation, you are no different in that you will also boast about your works on judgment day. But see what the passage said below about salvation. Read the bold


Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

On the judgment day, you will be among those whom Jesus will say he never knew because you are not trusting in him but in your wonderful works

Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


@first bold

What is the will of the father?

John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Do you see how this goes in line with John 3:16?

You are not doing the will of God by believing in Jesus to give you eternal life. Instead you are trusting in your works to save you. You are trying to save yourself. For that you will be damned because you have rejected the finished work of Christ on the cross.

PLease see the origin of tithing.
Deuteronomy 14:22-29 New International Version (NIV)
Tithes
22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. 23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always. 24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice. 27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.


Read previous chapters to understand why moses made it a law. I dont have strength for tithing arguments this sunday Morning. I dont tithe i do works of charity instead with the money so if you tithe and it works for you go ahead. Besides I have been blessed beyond measures

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