alBHAGDADI:




The FIRST and the LAST time tithe was ever mentioned in Bible, we see it as a tenth of ALL. It was first mentioned in the Old Testament then lastly mentioned in the New Testament. Both verses talked about the same subject


Genesis 14:20
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Hebrews 7:2
To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

I know what them passage say however I am asking what does the bible say about the tithe? cos as we speak the Levites are still alive!

alBHAGDADI:
This is a pure rubbish teaching coming from a Catholic Bishop of gay kingdom.

Where did God order that we should do what this preacher said with our tithe? Nowhere. What God said in Malachai 3:10 is that we should bring the tithe to his house. He didn't say we should branch somewhere else with it.

Yes, the pastor's idea seems like a reasonably brilliant and kind one, but that doesn't make it right in God's eyes. Remember that the way man thinks is different from the way God thinks.

Man thinks it is a good thing to give the tithe to someone in need of it. But where did God say such about tithe? Nowhere. He only said to bring it to his house and from there it is distributed to the needy.

Think of it this way: You are on your way to the hospital with 100k to pay for your child's medical bills. Suddenly you found a needy man. Be honest with yourself, will you give the money to the needy man to the detriment of your child in the hospital?

I can bet you won't. So why do you now think it is right to give your tithe to the needy man? Remember, it is God's money and you have no right to decide how to help God spend it, especially when he gave you no such order.

Look, don't let people bamboozle you weird scenarios like the one given by the preacher. Always stand by God's command. The tithe is his, and the only thing you can do with it is to take it to his house, nowhere else.

They may even use your child as an example, saying what if your child is sick and the money needed for treatment is equivalent to the tithe money you have, which is your last dime.

What will I say in this case? Give that money to God because it is his. At this point many will be kicking against me. Little do they know that they are kicking against Jesus who said...


Mathew 10:37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Why do you think Abraham is referred to as a friend of God today? Because he obeyed God by proceeding to sacrifice his son Isaac as commanded by God. He didn't think twice. But people who are not worthy of Jesus are the ones who will disobey him by doing the thoughts of their heart instead of his word.

Proverbs 3:5-6 (KJV)
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

In the story of the good Samaritan, the priest that passed the man did as instructed under the law but christ condemned him for lack of show of love. In the new testament, love is greater than paying tithe.

Tithing is not bad per se but it's blown out of proportion out of human's selfishness and greed. It's good for the upkeep of the temple and it's workers and for the blessings that follow. If you help someone in need, you'll equally be blessed.

If restitution is not preached anymore, I see no reason why tithing should - as both are of the old testament.

Ahh, my priest in secondary school and a very good footballer too.

That's not true.. there should be different between tithe and good deed.

alBHAGDADI:


Jesus didn't mention tithe? Are you sure? Below is Jesus saying we shouldn't neglect it nor leave it undone.

Matthew 23:23 (KJV)
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

When you guys fail to accept the truth, you start to say falsehood.

Same as what you do today.

Onliie:
And the Lord spake unto Aaron, Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land, neither shalt thou have any part among them: I am thy part and thine inheritance among the children of Israel. And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation. Neither must the children of Israel henceforth come nigh the tabernacle of the congregation, lest they bear sin, and die. But the Levites shall do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they shall bear their iniquity: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations, that among the children of Israel they have no inheritance. But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the Lord , I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.
Numbers 18:20‭-‬24 KJV

Very good! Now, how is that applicable to Nigerian pastors? Also do you know that Levites are not to have business nor any other source of income? : it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations, that among the children of Israel they have no inheritance.



Now, look around you and judge for yourself. Very glaring, right Good job

khalids:


This is all i have to reply you
Matthew 25:35-40 New International Version (NIV)
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

Remember God is not man and those not think like we do

Isaiah 55:8-9 New King James Version (NKJV)
8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Sorry but it would have been better you didn't because you didn't make any sense with your reply.

DamZik:
You are too smart. You quoted vs 15 & 33 of Mat. 23 but you jumped vs 23 of the same chapter. Tithe may not be mandatory but it is compulsory.

Is there anything about hell in the verse you mentioned?

jesusjnr:
Sorry but it would have been better you didn't because you didn't make any sense with your reply.

You see it that way because you lack sense...

khalids:


You see it that way because you lack sense...

Lol!

jesusjnr:
Sorry but it would have been better you didn't because you didn't make any sense with your reply.

What it indicates is that what you do for your fellow brother in christ, is counted by God has something you did for him......

So if you gave your tithe to help your fellow brother in christ....I believe the same applies

khalids:

What it indicates is that what you do for your fellow brother in christ, is counted by God has something you did for him......

So if you gave your tithe to help your fellow brother in christ....I believe the same applies

Now you're talking.

So what happened before?

seguno2:


Amen
And God bless you too.

Amen.

This Father deserves nothing short of unreserved respect for his message. Any society where people practice the acts of kindness and love he espouses will surely prosper.

It is heartwarming to see that many Nigerian Christians are waking up and taking a stand against the fraudulent prosperity and tithe gospel. This is one of the few positive things going on in Nigerian Christendom. Hopefully many more people will be set free from the bondage of "pastorpreneurship"

fairfora:
May God continue to give you divine wisdom. I said all these to a nairalander in the past week when we were discussing some important points in the scripture. If our Lord Jesus didn't emphasize tithe when he was in human flesh, preaching the gospel but dwelling more on holiness and repentance of sin, helping the needy...I just keyed into it. I don't want to mention how much I give but it's more than the so called tithe and it goes to the poor and needy mostly. It's always a selfish move when some preachers would dwell only on the old testament just to back their sermons on tithe with little emphasis on what Christ preaches. if you're blessed by God but you don't give enough, it's up to you. If you now give more than the so called tithe, then your blessings would overflow.

Amen!

You too.

Always used to be a giver, but when I started walking with God it assumed a different level, because He made me know that's it's something very dear to His heart. So It's now become a personal matter that the poor and needy get help from those who are in the position to help them.

The Truth is that those church leaders who don't take the welfare of the poor seriously are far from God's heart.

Really appreciate.

God bless.

oldtruth:



Very good! Now, how is that applicable to Nigerian pastors? Also do you know that Levites are not to have business nor any other source of income? : it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations, that among the children of Israel they have no inheritance.



Now, look around you and judge for yourself. Very glaring, right Good job

Most pastors don't have business or career. Some left their career to go in to full time ministry. What are you saying exactly?

Onliie:
Most pastors don't have business or career. Some left their career to go in to full time ministry. What are you saying exactly?

Levites don't have houses. it is a mandate. They mustn't own a car. They mustn't have anything. The day they does that, they've sinned before God. You can search for Levites on Wikipedia.

That was the agreement. Such type of tithe is being collect once in a year. First harvest of such year.

If anybody wants to claim an imaginary Levites (real Levites still exist) you must also follow the lay down principle. Collect it once a year, No single inheritance. Anything beyond that is out of the law and a breach of contract. it makes the fake Levites a criminal and should be stonned to death.

Also, the tithe is only for the Levites. When Christ died, he made everything free and possible for anyone who believed in HIM to have access to the God of Israel. Therefore, we are no longer under the law. That was why the early Christian don't pay tithe. Had it been they pay, they will be under the law and the gospel won't get to you because he will still be solely the God of Isreal.

Now, if some fraudulent people still want to be under the law, the best thing is to collect the tithe once in a year and send it to the Levite in Isreal because that is what the law commands us.

It is very simple and be sure of something that if you add to God's word based on your fallacious belief and lied upon the God of Isreal saying he commands non Isrealite to give tithe, HE will fight against such person today.

We are not Israelites. We are saved through Christ and not by law because by law, we don't have any right to even call the God of Abraham.

Know this today and stop spreading lies on the God of Abraham. Be warned!

One thing this thread proves to satan and his dogs is that despite their very strenuous efforts to corrupt and dehumanize the people, the people still have God in their hearts. Despite all the brutality and all the propaganda, the people remain godly.

They are dead and their carcases are not frayed; they are preyed upon day and night by the fowls of heaven and the beasts of the field. But their God has not forgotten then, a woman may forget her suckling child, but the LORD has engraved these ones in the palms of his hands.

The LORD has promised that they will rise again, the firstfruits are already here.

Christ the firstfruits.

He means, he wasn't expecting you to state your fact reasonable without hauling insults

alBHAGDADI:


What do you mean?

alBHAGDADI:
This is a pure rubbish teaching coming from a Catholic Bishop of gay kingdom.

Where did God order that we should do what this preacher said with our tithe? Nowhere. What God said in Malachai 3:10 is that we should bring the tithe to his house. He didn't say we should branch somewhere else with it.

Yes, the pastor's idea seems like a reasonably brilliant and kind one, but that doesn't make it right in God's eyes. Remember that the way man thinks is different from the way God thinks.

Man thinks it is a good thing to give the tithe to someone in need of it. But where did God say such about tithe? Nowhere. He only said to bring it to his house and from there it is distributed to the needy.

Think of it this way: You are on your way to the hospital with 100k to pay for your child's medical bills. Suddenly you found a needy man. Be honest with yourself, will you give the money to the needy man to the detriment of your child in the hospital?

I can bet you won't. So why do you now think it is right to give your tithe to the needy man? Remember, it is God's money and you have no right to decide how to help God spend it, especially when he gave you no such order.

Look, don't let people bamboozle you weird scenarios like the one given by the preacher. Always stand by God's command. The tithe is his, and the only thing you can do with it is to take it to his house, nowhere else.

They may even use your child as an example, saying what if your child is sick and the money needed for treatment is equivalent to the tithe money you have, which is your last dime.

What will I say in this case? Give that money to God because it is his. At this point many will be kicking against me. Little do they know that they are kicking against Jesus who said...


Mathew 10:37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Why do you think Abraham is referred to as a friend of God today? Because he obeyed God by proceeding to sacrifice his son Isaac as commanded by God. He didn't think twice. But people who are not worthy of Jesus are the ones who will disobey him by doing the thoughts of their heart instead of his word.

Proverbs 3:5-6 (KJV)
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Hey Mr! Stop it. You talking about God's ways not being our ways, what makes you sure that your say on this is God's way. What if it is wrong, or what if both are wrong or correct? Jesus came to fulfil the law not abolish it and He summarised it by asking us to Love God and our neighbours as ourselves. Helping an accident victim is loving God, helping your child instead is loving yourself first for Charity begins at home. Just do what you do and let God be the one to judge who pleases him. The intent of your action is what is basic.

Onliie:
that verse said at the end of three years, that is definitely another special kind of tithe, not the regular ones.

Oga you said its not in the bible, moreover the Rev. Fr did not say every time.

OkCornel:


First of all, do you agree tithing to kings & idols was an ancient pagan tradition in ancient Mesopotamia?

I don't know but from the days of Cain and Abel in Genesis to the book of Revelations. I know that God deserves the first and the best from us. We should have reverence for him more than our government. Whether you give or tithe or even discourage tithing, God knows our heart and motive. Even if we are givers, can we say we give better than the early Christian Church or even the widow that gave her all that even Christ acknowledged her. Let us think about that before we boast about our "giving".

jesusjnr:
Now you're talking.

So what happened before?

I dey vex that time :-)

GoodBoi1:

I don't know but from the days of Cain and Abel in Genesis to the book of Revelations. I know that God deserves the first and the best from us. We should have reverence for him more than our government. Whether you give or tithe or even discourage tithing, God knows our heart and motive. Even if we are givers, can we say we give better than the early Christian Church or even the widow that gave her all that even Christ acknowledged her. Let us think about that before we boast about our "giving".

In the first place, believers are not supposed to boast about their "giving" if the words of Jesus is anything to go by. Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. Do your good deeds in secret so that God may reward us in the open.

On the flipside, when we do good things...it is inevitable that people would blow the trumpets on our behalf even if we beg them not to. But the koko of the whole matter is not to be;

1) Be self seeking like the Pharisees in the course of doing charitable work
2) Do not give with a selfish motive of what one should expect in return from God.

That brings us back to my first comment on this thread;

OkCornel:
And yet another tithe debate.

The more you love God and your neighbor, the more you will give to help with the things of God and the welfare of others, be it your money, your time, your talents, even down to the excess possessions you hold.

You are not giving because of what you’re expecting in return, which is a selfish and childish way of thinking.


You are giving because the Holy Spirit has replaced (or replacing) your selfish nature with the fruit of love, which is a selfless nature.


You will eventually see the joy in giving, not because of what you’re expecting from God, but for the joy that comes with putting a smile on God’s face for promoting His kingdom, and solving the challenges of others.

And in that, we can truly say "THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN"


Happy Sunday everyone.

https://www.nairaland.com/5454310/father-john-chinenye-oluoma-tithe#82880112

OkCornel:


In the first place, believers are not supposed to boast about their "giving" if the words of Jesus is anything to go by. Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. Do your good deeds in secret so that God may reward us in the open.

On the flipside, when we do good things...it is inevitable that people would blow the trumpets on our behalf even if we beg them not to. But the koko of the whole matter is not to be;

1) Be self seeking like the Pharisees in the course of doing charitable work
2) Do not give with a selfish motive of what one should expect in return from God.

That brings us back to my first comment on this thread;

https://www.nairaland.com/5454310/father-john-chinenye-oluoma-tithe#82880112

I agree but it can't be denied that giving comes with rewards according to the scriptures.

GoodBoi1:


I agree but it can't be denied that giving comes with rewards according to the scriptures.

No one disputes that. It's a principle that applies even in the secular world. If you take the right decisions, you reap the rewards. If you take an ignorant decision, you live with the consequences.

But then, what exactly should a believers' primary focus be on? The rewards that comes with giving? Focusing on that somewhat reduces God to a money doubler...which is what prosperity doctrines keep on doing with their love for monetary seed sowing...

Now did the early believers give what they had, and shared what they had in common because of what they were expecting in return?

Under the new covenant, the standard is higher.

1) It's not about a ritualistic 10% of monetary income (which is not even God's requirement for tithing anyways),
2) It goes beyond money, it also includes sacrificing one's time and talents to help others (especially those who are not in a capacity to repay you the favor)
3) It goes beyond the four walls of a church building (the kingdom of God is not tied to the four walls of a church building)

Forget about self a bit (what one gets in return) and more about God & others.

When we wholeheartedly seek the kingdom of God, every other thing shall be added unto....(fill in the blanks)

khalids:


I dey vex that time :-)

Lol!

jesusjnr:
Is there anything about hell in the verse you mentioned?

You are just too smart. are we talking about hell or tithe? It is in that verse that Jesus validated the payment of tithe. go and read it.

DamZik:
You are just too smart. are we talking about hell or tithe? It is in that verse that Jesus validated the payment of tithe. go and read it.

You seem to be talking to the wrong person, for who and you are talking about tithe?

Go and reread the comment that made you to make that comment, and see if the verses I quoted concerning the Pharisees were not related to hell, but tithes? That's why I asked you if there was anything about hell in the verse you mentioned.

By the way, if you thought that I was against tithing then you're misinformed, for I am not against tithing but the overemphasis of it as the Pharisees did, and as is being done by many church leaders today. That was even the point Jesus made to the Pharisees in the verse you mentioned, that they majored on the minor and minored on the major.

So bro you have no case, because you thought in error.

OkCornel:


No one disputes that. It's a principle that applies even in the secular world. If you take the right decisions, you reap the rewards. If you take an ignorant decision, you live with the consequences.

But then, what exactly should a believers' primary focus be on? The rewards that comes with giving? Focusing on that somewhat reduces God to a money doubler...which is what prosperity doctrines keep on doing with their love for monetary seed sowing...

Now did the early believers give what they had, and shared what they had in common because of what they were expecting in return?

Under the new covenant, the standard is higher.

1) It's not about a ritualistic 10% of monetary income (which is not even God's requirement for tithing anyways),
2) It goes beyond money, it also includes sacrificing one's time and talents to help others (especially those who are not in a capacity to repay you the favor)
3) It goes beyond the four walls of a church building (the kingdom of God is not tied to the four walls of a church building)

Forget about self a bit (what one gets in return) and more about God & others.

When we wholeheartedly seek the kingdom of God, every other thing shall be added unto....(fill in the blanks)

I understand you perfectly but I have this feeling like are trying to downplay the truth. Or you don't have much faith? I believe it is a principle that applies in the secular world too and I also believe that God can do miracles beyond what I can think or imagine. God's word is the truth and I won't downplay it to suit my level of faith. Rewards come here on earth and in heaven. Giving doesn't necessarily mean that one sees God as a money doubler and I also agree that it should not be the focus instead believers should see giving as a way of serving God instead and have faith in God that their needs will always be provided.

GoodBoi1:

I understand you perfectly but I have this feeling like are trying to downplay the truth. Or you don't have much faith? I believe it is a principle that applies in the secular world too and I also believe that God can do miracles beyond what I can think or imagine. God's word is the truth and I won't downplay it to suit my level of faith. Rewards come here on earth and in heaven. Giving doesn't necessarily mean that one sees God as a money doubler and I also agree that it should not be the focus instead believers should see giving as a way of serving God instead and have faith in God that their needs will always be provided.

Downplay the truth?

Alright then, please use the scriptures to show us where God specifically demanded for money as tithe. Let’s start from there.

Don’t give the actions of men, show me God’s instruction on monetary tithing.

Because I’m not focused on what I’ll get in return from God now means I don’t have “faith“?

OkCornel:


Downplay the truth?

Alright then, please use the scriptures to show us where God specifically demanded for money as tithe. Let’s start from there.

Don’t give the actions of men, show me God’s instruction on monetary tithing.

Because I’m not focused on what I’ll get in return from God now means I don’t have “faith“?

I'm not claiming I know it all but I think I have explained much on tithing. The summary of what I was said in my last post is that a message on giving should be balanced