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Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 9:36am On Oct 26, 2019 |
sgtponzihater1: Very funny, my friend hater.. We've been through this before. I remembered you apologized for a whole lot of things you didn't know about dentistry. Here you are again Lol. First of all, Nurses study "Medical Nursing" and "Surgical Nursing" taught by Nurses. They don't study "Medicine" and "Surgery" so do not rotate or do postings as "doctors" in these fields. Dentists study "Medicine" and "Surgery" taught by Physicians and Surgeons, they rotate in the various units and write exams organized by these Doctors. We're also requested to perform series of procedures while rotating in these units. That is to show you dentists are Doctors too, but followed a different path towards becoming Doctors and specialists. Secondly, you mentioned regulatory bodies and associations as obtained abroad. At my level, I understand things differently. When you get to this level you'll know better. Go and read about the history of Surgeons (barber surgeons) and perhaps you'll understand why most dentists are separate. It shows autonomy and how how really developed the specialty is. In time past, all surgeons follow a different path from physicians (just go and read), it was also for political reasons that dentists still stand alone in their favor. But in postgraduate, they all unite again in the Colleges of Surgeons. However, it's not a matter of the association you belong. It's a matter of what you do and who you really are. The titles, the salaries, the work etc all are a proof to who dentists are. I don't want to go into another educational parade of surgical procedures performed by dentists. You probably think it's just scaling and polishing and extraction Lol. Just educate yourself. However still, you may choose to believe whatever you want to believe if it gives you pleasure. NB: Dentistry is the only specialty of human medicine which has carved out its own niche separate from other specialties, having its own Faculty from undergraduate level, but still involves training in general medicine while specializing at the same time. It shows uniqueness and Growth. Enjoy 5 Likes |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by angiography(m): 10:58am On Oct 26, 2019 |
Mikolion87: Loool... Just shut up already. You're embarrassing yourself too much o'er here. |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Maid007: 11:47am On Oct 26, 2019 |
Fyi0:I remember when i was in part one, a faculty of science student was trying to tell me that they offer more courses and hence their lectures are tougher, simply because they offer 12 courses in first semester and 11 courses in second semester, while we offered only 4 courses for the whole session.... I had to make him understand that even the maths we do in my class ain't mates with all the math courses they offer in part one (our lecturer drills us as if we are in Mathematics department Lol) .... |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Nobody: 11:55am On Oct 26, 2019 |
Maid007:LOL.. Medical students and hype. Nothing come out las las. Pharmacy courses are more numerous, bulkier and more complex. So? |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Elouise: 12:15pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Mikolion87: I can only be inferior if I feel inferior, no one can make me. yeah, I've witnessed "cool" OMFS surgeries. the last one being a mandibulectomy with a fibula graft reconstruction all done by the OMFS team. keeping calm and producing results isn't being inferior. some of y'all chase "glory" too much plus I've never been disrespected by my medical colleagues. No one can. you seem to be too interested in proving a point and that's the problem. strife to be the best in whatever you do, you can only be know as that good doctor/dentist. ps: I don't need to convince you about who I am 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Elouise: 12:16pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
angiography:leave this dude please 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Maid007: 2:26pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Fyi0:I am a student of dentistry and dental surgery by the way (just to be clear) ....when u say pharmacy is tougher than MBBS, u are also indirectly bringing BDS into the Picture.... Now, u can't compare a course that writes sessional exams with a course that writes exams in semesters.... U said u offered 13 courses in first semester and another 13 in second semester right?? 13+13=26.... Now, Imagine having to write exams for the whole of those 26 courses at the end of the session...... now that's bulky..... |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Jabarzee(m): 2:45pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Maid007: Are u minding him |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 3:06pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Mikolion87: Read my write up clearly. I haven't said Dentist are not Doctors, nor did I say nurses know more Medicine and Surgery than Dentist. However I maintain MBBS (Medical Doctors) is a totally different professions to Dentistry/BDS(Dental Surgeons). Cheers 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Nobody: 4:39pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
Maid007: During the 1990s and early 2000s in OAU, every student wrote exams just once in a session. Then there weren't semester exams, just sessional examinations. Note that this applied to every student in the university. Or you mean being given the whole of first semester year three to prepare for MBBS? What more could be better? I don't really know much about dentistry but I believe even that is harder than the normal medicine and surgery. This opinion is based on the yearly attrition rates in the university (specifically university of Port Harcourt). So I wouldn't really know. . Pharmacy has the highest attrition rate in UNIPORT. Over the years. Again and again. To the best of my knowledge you guys don't offer up to 13 courses in a semester. 10 is the least number of courses you would ever offer in pharmacy school (from 200 level up) and that's during second semester final year. Now tell me, what do you make of this? 3 Likes |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by midnighter(f): 4:49pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
To an extent here is nothing like "tougher" because they are testing different types of skill. You may be a chemistry whizz but still cannot make head or tail of the most basic philosophical theory Number of places available on a course depends on demand for that course and departmental resources. It has nothing to do with whether the field of study is "difficult" or not What you will talk about is the amount of material that one needs to grasp within the timeframe How much of the material is conceptual and how much is rote-learning How knowledge is tested. Practical, written exams, presentations, written assignments Real objective comparison and not vain quasi-realistic posturing 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 5:59pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
midnighter: Wise words there. 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 1:11pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
sgtponzihater1: I'll take it that you're saying the mouth is different from the body.. Lol. I'm sure you can now see how laughable your premise is. The whole body functions together. Anything affecting one part can affect the rest. The only difference I see here is that Dentists begin to specialize early enough while being trained in general medicine as well. Like I said earlier, it shows autonomy and development. Allow me to enlighten you also that, Orthopedic surgery has separated from Faculty of Surgery to have its own Faculty (Faculty of orthopedic surgery) just like Faculty of Dental surgery in the West African College of Surgeons. That shows improvement not inferiority, neither does it mean they are no longer surgeons as the rest. You're not a doctor so you won't understand these things. But if you're humble enough to learn, you'll be properly guided. Cheers my friend. 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 1:21pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
Elouise: I honestly like your view, and it's alright. However, for me it's not necessarily about the "glory" as you put it. It's about education and enlightenment. I could care less, it won't change my title neither will it reduce all the privileges that I get as a doctor, but it won't do any good to very many young ones who do not know anything about the course hence do not feel it in Jamb. I have received a lot of appreciation by many dental surgery students who opted into Dentistry just because of my previous posts and comments on different threads pertaining to the study of Dentistry. For these ones I get encouraged to do what I do. Cheers 3 Likes |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 1:27pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
angiography: Lol.. you don't have to show everyone you lack manners. Obviously you're the one embarrassing yourself. I won't reduce myself to trading words with you. Everything I wrote about the study of Dentistry is the way it is, especially in the institution I attended. There may be a slight variation in other institutions. You're probably too proud to accept it. But I understand. If you're ready to speak in a civilized manner, I would be willing to clear your doubts. Ask your questions or go research for yourself. Daalu 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 1:37pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
kman3000: Lol... I noticed I keep being banned each time I try to reply this very comment of yours. I don't know if you're the one doing it. If you're, that is very immature of you. We should all be educated enough to dialogue like colleagues without showing any animosity. I cannot misinform the public especially when I know that some here know me personally. Everything I stated about the study of Dentistry is true especially in the institution I studied. However, there may be slight changes in various institutions. Concerning surgeries.. I laugh. If I start enumerating the surgeries dentists perform both on a tooth and jaws (maxilla and mandible), you'll be pleasantly amazed. Perhaps when you have a relative requiring our expertise, you won't need someone to tell you who we really are. Cheers 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 1:43pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
Elouise:Lol... Funny 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 2:40pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
Mikolion87: God bless and keep you. 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by 0monnak0da: 4:59pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
sgtponzihater1:Dentists are NOT "doctors" they are dentists. It is clear the story is a lie. What is not clear is WHY? What motivates such behaviour I do not believe the OP is either a dentist or a doctor. He is a liar |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 6:55pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
0monnak0da: Shameful why Nigerians cannot say the truth. Several Dentist I have met outside Nigeria and even optometrists simply say I am a Dentist or an Optometrist. However in Nigeria they all claim Medical Doctor. I once met a lecturer in a college of education, and I asked his job and he said he is a Doctor. Only on probing further did I note he was a teacher. I would want to attribute it to the ego mixed with inferiority complex of a black man, more acutely the Nigerian man 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 8:36pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/roles-doctors/surgery/oral-and-maxillofacial-surgery/entry-requirements-skills-and-interests Here is a link to show that even the UK calls those who studied MBBS as studied Medicine and those that studied BDS as studied Dentistry. The only bridge between Medicine and Dentistry Is actually OMS. |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by seunH: 8:55pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
Let me first of all state here, that I'm a neutral observer (Veterinarian). And I will use our veterinary model as a guide in this piece. It is not a hidden secret that more than 50% of vets in Nigeria actually wanted to study MBBS, but later found themselves in vet school. However, one good thing is that in vet school, they immediately orientate you that you are a vet doctor and not a human doctor and inasmuch as there are enormous similarities with what a MBBS student and Vet student does "YOU ARE NOT LICENSED TO TREAT A HUMAN" and also in the sight of the law the intervention a vet is licensed to give a human accident victim is NOT different from that of a lawyer, banker or engineer even though the vet has far more knowledge of what to do than the above. The reasons why they give us the above orientation is in order to avoid the mistake the OP is making. My dear OP, dentistry is a prestigious course, that's why the prefix "Dr" in front of your name and the fact that in civil service you start from GL 12 just 4 ranks to be perm sec which goes a long way in showing how prestigious your course is. But trying to identify your profession with MBBS as very similar or the same thing is injurious to the integrity of your profession. It should be noted however that as a dentist you have the right to be referred to as a medical doctor and even refer to your school as medical school but that would be misleading to the common man (that is the qualms you are having with your MBBS counterparts on this thread). I would advice next time that whenever you want to make reference to your profession, strictly indicate that you're a dentist (God willing a renowned dentist) from the beginning and all through, references should be made to that fact. I for one always refer to myself as a veterinarian not a "doctor" although I'm legally allowed to do so, but if I do so, that will be misleading to a lot of people which will be unethical and degrading to my profession. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by midnighter(f): 8:58pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
sgtponzihater1: This is what I am trying to ask them but they will start writing long paragraphs full of insults what a world! |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by 0monnak0da: 9:00pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
sgtponzihater1:Not a Nigerian phenomenon ,I disagree. I have experienced it elsewhere though usually in the form of non-medical Phds in a hospital environment |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by midnighter(f): 9:02pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
sgtponzihater1:Thank you. |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 10:11pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
seunH: Another wise word. I strongly advice you continue to use the word Doctor as ur appellation since u earned it. The problem we have is people have inferiority about their profession. I kept asking a young man what he does one day we were traveling on a bus and kept telling me his is a medical Doctor not knowing he was a Dentist infact. What stops him from simply saying I am a Dentist. Also in strict terms Medical Doctor refers to MBBS. Dentists are Dentist, and the closest they can get to being Medic is specializing in Oral Maxillofacial Surgery, and I have posted a link to validate this on this post. So as not just to speak without fact. Again I attach the link here. https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/roles-doctors/surgery/oral-and-maxillofacial-surgery/entry-requirements-skills-and-interests 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 10:22pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
Addendum: My boss, Academic Mentor and Erudite Professor of Dentistry in the University of Port Harcourt once said to me and I paraphrase; " I wanted to Study Medicine and Surgery to become a Medical Doctor, but was given Dentistry. Initially I felt down, but later accepted the course and decided to get to the very peak. I also chose OMS because it was the closest specialty in Dentistry to be a Medical Doctor". If a Once provost of Dentistry can say this, I wonder where these young folk get the idea of always stressing the MBBS more than their BDS. I even remember MDCN induction brochure put it this way, "Induction of Medical Doctors and Dental Surgeons" In the Ceremony they start with Induction of Medical Doctors, that's the induction MBBS gets, then they proceed to induct Dental surgeon, that's the induction Dentists gets. It simply means any Dentist claiming Medical Doctors is an aimless, esteem deficit impostor. |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 10:32pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
Another excerpt from Study.com explaining difference between a Medical doctor and a dentist. Both dentists and medical doctors must complete several years of postsecondary training and residency programs in order to work in their field. They both treat and diagnose patients, but their specific focus differs. While dentists concentrate on teeth and oral health, medical doctors may treat a range of injuries or illnesses affecting any part of the body. |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 10:37pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
Another Excerpts for the OP and his bunch of friend claiming the Medical Doctor appellation with links. Maybe you'll understand your calling better and face it squarely instead of claiming that it's an offshoot of MBBS Are Dentists, Doctors (Dr)? Find UK Dentists » Dentists are not doctors in the traditional sense of the word. Although they do undergo extensive medical training so they can become proficient at treating medical issues occurring with the teeth and gums, they are not doctors of medicine (MDs). Although many dentists are entitled to use the title 'doctor' as their training results in a doctorate, the term can also apply to many other fields of study for example professors holding a PHD. Although dentists will receive some rudimentary training in the basics of medicine, this is mainly so they are able to provide emergency care if their patients react badly to anaesthetics used during dental treatments. The majority of the training dentists receive however is studying diseases and treatments for health issues occurring with the teeth and gums. In much the same way as a medical doctor, dentists can choose to enter into a speciality in different fields of dentistry. For instance, after undergoing their general dental practitioner training, they may choose to specialise in oral surgery, Orthodontics or paediatric dentistry. Specialists are often used by general dental practitioners to refer patients who have complex needs connected to their speciality. In order to become a dentist, you first need a degree in dentistry from an acknowledged university. Dentistry programmes tend to last five years including subjects such as pathology, anatomy, biochemistry and a range of other scientific fields. The course also involves a practical section, which ensures that trainee dentists are able to put the theory they have learned into practice. Once the trainee dentist has completed their education, they need to be registered with the General Dental Council in addition to working for a set amount of time in a dental practice. Depending on the career path the trainee wishes to take, they may need to continue their education and training, enabling them to acquire new techniques and treatments. Some dentists choose specialities and cosmetic https://www.healthcentre.org.uk/dentistry/faqs-are-dentists-doctors.html 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 10:55pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
This is an except from the General Dental Council, warning Dentist not to mislead the public that they are Medical practitioners when in fact they are not. But the OP is doing just that. Here is the except and link below: Yet they do note that; “Dentists who choose to use the title must ensure that it is not used in a way which could mislead the public, for example by giving the impression that the dentist is a registered medical practitioner if they are not.” And it is this final point which is being upheld by the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) when complaints are raised in connection with adverts for dentists and their services which refer to the practitioner using the doctor title. https://www.consultingroom.com/Blog/352/are-dentists-allowed-to-call-themselves-doctors?-no,-say-the-asa. 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 10:57pm On Oct 27, 2019 |
More free education to the OP with empirical links: When someone says they're going to the doctor, they're usually referring to a medical doctor, also known as a physician. A dentist is a doctor, too, but completes a post-baccalaureate program at a college of dentistry rather than a college of medicine. Though their training has some similarities, dentists and physicians generally have different scopes of practice. https://work.chron.com/dentist-vs-doctor-17565.html |
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