For the OP this is one of the published articles by a Dentist that explains clearly why Dentists should simply tell people they are Dentists rather than trying to validate their profession. For me it's one article a young Dentist trying to understand his place in the skin of things should suscribe to and read. I remember in a religious workshop, an MC tried to massage the ego of a Dentist friend by asking, how do you combine your role as a Medical Doctor with other aspect of life, he simply reminded everyone that he was a Dentist, while it was quite related it was very different, he then pointed a Medical colleague and said maybe He would be more appropriate to answer that question. Suscribe and read this very enlightening article op:



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15127866/

sgtponzihater1:
For the OP this is one of the published articles by a Dentist that explains clearly why Dentists should simply tell people they are Dentists rather than trying to validate their profession. For me it's one article a young Dentist trying to understand his place in the skin of things should suscribe to and read. I remember in a religious workshop, an MC tried to massage the ego of a Dentist friend by asking, how do you combine your role as a Medical Doctor with other aspect of life, he simply reminded everyone that he was a Dentist, while it was quite related it was very different, he then pointed a Medical colleague and said maybe He would be more appropriate to answer that question. Suscribe and read this very enlightening article op:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15127866/

Mtchew! Why didnt you open it for them very well!

"Should dentists become 'oral physicians'? No, dentistry must remain dentistry.

Assael LA. J Am Dent Assoc. 2004.

Abstract

Dentistry is not an allied health profession. It is not a paramedical profession. It is time that dentistry be recognized as the profession that offers patients some of the most complex surgery performed on the human body--namely, restorative dentistry and rehabilitation of the masticatory system. Dentistry is the only anatomically focused health care profession that is university-based and for which primary care responsibility is maintained by the profession.

An inferiority complex about what it means to be a dentist has served only to confuse the public and bring us further from our goal of improving the health of all our patients. This inferiority complex is driven by the public and the medical profession, neither of which understands how dentistry fits into overall health care. It is essential that every academic health center have oral health education as an integrated part of health care education for dentists, physicians, nurses, allied dental personel, physical therapists, psychologists and all who receive university-based health care education. In this way, all the health professions and the public will see dentistry and oral health as essential to patients' overall health.

The idea of emulating those who do not have the strength of basic-science education, practice complexity, surgical skills or community status by seizing a new title will not elevate the profession for the future. The public knows what a dentist is. It is our task to inform the public about the capabilities of dentists and the value of oral health and our profession. We can accomplish this best by assuring that our profession's name, "dentistry," is understood to represent one of the world's most accomplished surgical endeavors, one that is thoroughly integrated into the fabric of health care. Thus, good oral health will be thoroughly integrated into what it means to be healthy."

midnighter:


Mtchew! Why didnt you open it for them very well!

Should dentists become 'oral physicians'? No, dentistry must remain dentistry.

Assael LA. J Am Dent Assoc. 2004.


Abstract

Dentistry is not an allied health profession. It is not a paramedical profession. It is time that dentistry be recognized as the profession that offers patients some of the most complex surgery performed on the human body--namely, restorative dentistry and rehabilitation of the masticatory system. Dentistry is the only anatomically focused health care profession that is university-based and for which primary care responsibility is maintained by the profession.

An inferiority complex about what it means to be a dentist has served only to confuse the public and bring us further from our goal of improving the health of all our patients. This inferiority complex is driven by the public and the medical profession, neither of which understands how dentistry fits into overall health care. It is essential that every academic health center have oral health education as an integrated part of health care education for dentists, physicians, nurses, allied dental personel, physical therapists, psychologists and all who receive university-based health care education. In this way, all the health professions and the public will see dentistry and oral health as essential to patients' overall health.

[b]The idea of emulating those who do not have the strength of basic-science education, practice complexity, surgical skills or community status by seizing a new title will not elevate the profession for the future. [/b]The public knows what a dentist is. It is our task to inform the public about the capabilities of dentists and the value of oral health and our profession. We can accomplish this best by assuring that our profession's name, "dentistry," is understood to represent one of the world's most accomplished surgical endeavors, one that is thoroughly integrated into the fabric of health care. Thus, good oral health will be thoroughly integrated into what it means to be healthy.

Its truly inferiority complex to abandon your primary appellage, dentist, and start fighting hard to make people accept that BDS is an extended and metamorphosed MBBS when its fact not. A Dentist has picked that complex problem and made an article for his colleagues to maybe read and learn from.

Thanks for posting part of it too

sgtponzihater1:


Its truly inferiority complex to abandon your primary appellage, dentist, and start fighting hard to make people accept that BDS is an extended and metamorphosed MBBS when its fact not. A Dentist has picked that complex problem and made an article for his colleagues to maybe read and learn from.

Thanks for posting part of it too

No need to thank me, the conversations I had in here were needlessly confusing and annoying at that!

I have read all the laughable comments and posts here by sgtponzihater1 and midnighter and it has become very clear what your real motives are. You can believe what you want to believe, it does not change anything about dentists. You may choose to stick with other articles written by other people who may or may not be dentists that supports your claims, it does not change the facts. I also don't need any article or anyone for any validation about who dentists are. They are not any more human than I am. They can also choose to read my own articles about dentistry if they so wish to be well educated and enlightened.

About the professor of dentistry sgtponzihater1 mentioned, that was perhaps his own story and it does not affect the profession in any way. My primary admission was in Medicine and Surgery but I changed to Dentistry (send me a Dm if you want a proof). You may only downgrade those in younger classes or those who don't know what they are studying, but not people like me, at my level and reasoning.

However, there are facts that you all should know, and I state them again:

- Dentists are Doctors same way you can say an ophthalmologist or dermatologist is a doctor. The name "Dentist" is used to indicate their area of expertise/specialization. They are recognized internationally as "Doctors" (Your individual opinions DO NOT matter).

-Dentists are trained in general Medicine (mbbs exams/bds part B) together with medicine students and Dental surgery (bds part A exams),under the Faculty of Dentistry. However, different institutions may have a slight change in curriculum but all have huge similarities.

-Dentists have special surgical and medical skills to adequately tackle both surgical and medical problems in the oral and Maxillofacial region.

- Dentists follow a different route from other doctors towards becoming one.

-According to various dictionaries' definition of who a "medical doctor" is (one with a medical training and special set of skills who is able to "diagnose" and treat both "medically" and "surgically" ), dentists are one.

-They enjoy same titles, same salaries, same privileges (CMDs, NMA chairmanships and that of the various Colleges of Surgeons etc), as other Doctors.

It is very obvious that you all are not willing to really learn about the field you understand little or nothing about from people in that field. You leave the breakdown of academic curriculum (especially as obtainable in our clime here) that I have given to run to foreign write ups just because it supports your expectations about dentists Lol. You have obviously shown your real motives.

I care less about what you think.. Believe whatever you want to believe if it gives you pleasure so long as it does not change anything.

When you have a problem requiring a dentist's expertise, no one will have to educate you further on who they really are.

If you have questions, I'll be willing to answer, but if you have nothing reasonable to say, permit me to continue flexing my life.. Lol. Cheers

Mikolion87:
I have read all the laughable comments and posts here by sgtponzihater1 and midnighter and it has become very clear what your real motives are. You can believe what you want to believe, it does not change anything about dentists. You may choose to stick with other articles written by other people who may or may not be dentists that supports your claims, it does not change the facts. I also don't need any article or anyone for any validation about who dentists are. They are not any more human than I am. They can also choose to read my own articles about dentistry if they so wish to be well educated and enlightened.

However, there are facts that you all should know, and I state them again:

- Dentists are Doctors same way you can say an ophthalmologist or dermatologist is a doctor. The name "Dentist" is used to indicate their area of expertise/specialization. They are recognized internationally as "Doctors" (Your individual opinions DO NOT matter).

-Dentists are trained in general Medicine (mbbs exams/bds part B) together with medicine students and Dental surgery (bds part A exams),under the Faculty of Dentistry. However, different institutions may have a slight change in curriculum but all have huge similarities.

-Dentists have special surgical and medical skills to adequately tackle both surgical and medical problems in the oral and Maxillofacial region.

- Dentists follow a different route from other doctors towards becoming one.

-According to various dictionaries' definition of who a "medical doctor" is (one with a medical training and special set of skills who is able to "diagnose" and treat both "medically" and "surgically", dentists are one.

-They enjoy same titles, same salaries, same privileges (CMDs, NMA chairmanships and that of the various Colleges of Surgeons etc), as other Doctors.

It is very obvious that you all are not willing to really learn about the field you understand little or nothing about from people in that field. You leave the breakdown of academic curriculum (especially as obtainable in our clime here) that I have given to run to foreign write ups just because it supports your expectations about dentists Lol. You have obviously shown your real motives.

I care less about what you think.. Believe whatever you want to believe if it gives you pleasure so long as it does not change anything.

When you have a problem requiring a dentist's expertise, no one will have to educate you further on who they really are.

If you have questions, I'll be willing to answer, but if you have nothing reasonable to say, permit me to continue flexing my life.. Lol. Cheers

Boy read what the GDC states about Dentists. They clearly remind dentists that they are not Medical Doctors and should not deceive the public that they are. Are you more informed that a body regulating the whole of Dentistry in the UK. Or more informed than those in the US. Note I used both UK and US, and in the world of evidence based practice I left those links.

If my child ends up becoming a Dentist. I would proudly tell people he is a Dentist, and wouldn't deceive anyone that he is a Medical Doctor. He still will Enjoy the title Doctor because his rigorous academic study earned him that. Cheers

Addendum: While you think in terms of NMA and MDCN and COMESS I think globally and what it really is. I have never eaten Nigerian government month till date, and I am glad I did not. Move on to more advanced countries were things work and learn. Use your internet to Educate yourself also. Go to NHS UK website and check the role of Dentists too, so you know where you stand in the scheme of things, and note that the NHS which is the high health employer in the World says Dentists are not Medical Doctors, yet a boy who is probably waiting for induction date says otherwise. Every single word for a graduate should be evidence based and not just some self glorifying marshed up lies to bloat your ego. Dentist write ORE in the UK, try and think of taking those, instead of being in the Middle of the profession and still be more ignorant. The public knows you as Dentist, why do you then want to confuse them. Again cheers

sgtponzihater1:


Boy read what the GDC states about Dentists. They clearly remind dentists that they are not Medical Doctors and should not deceive the public that they are. Are you more informed that a body regulating the whole of Dentistry in the UK. Or more informed than those in the US. Note I used both UK and US, and in the world of evidence based practice I left those links.

If my child ends up becoming a Dentist. I would proudly tell people he is a Dentist, and wouldn't deceive anyone that he is a Medical Doctor. He still will Enjoy the title Doctor because his rigorous academic study earned him that. Cheers

Funny, are we living in the UK?

Let me remind you that dentists in the western world are not even as adequately trained in general medicine as those in Nigeria or other African countries. Just like Osteopaths in US are medical doctors (due to their training in Medicine also) unlike those in other countries who are not doctors.

You keep wanting to downgrade the profession, perhaps you failed out. But that's not enough reason to want to downgrade it. But if you insist in touring that path, I wish you well Lol.

Mikolion87:


Funny, are we living in the UK?

Let me remind you that dentists in the western world are not even as adequately trained in general medicine as those in Nigeria or other African countries. Just like Osteopaths in US are medical doctors (due to their training in Medicine also) unlike those in other countries who are not doctors.

You keep wanting to downgrade the profession, perhaps you failed out. But that's not enough reason to want to downgrade it. But if you insist in touring that path, I wish you well Lol.

Dental training in Nigeria is now more Adequate than UK and US. What a shame!. Your curriculum is carved out of those systems and is patterned the same way. They do alot of rigorous Medical learning but know that they are not Medics. I did a lot of pharmacology back then, but not practicing it, I can't start claiming to be a pharmacologist too, even though I even wrote professional exams in it, I also did Medical Biochemistry, but wouldn't rub shoulders with those who did. I only did those courses are bedrocks to were I was eventually going to, and when I got there, I stood with my appellation and have never fought space with others. Again my Mentor is an erudite Professor of Dentistry but does not call himself a Medical Doctor.

Mikolion87:


Funny, are we living in the UK?

Let me remind you that dentists in the western world are not even as adequately trained in general medicine as those in Nigeria or other African countries. Just like Osteopaths in US are medical doctors (due to their training in Medicine also) unlike those in other countries who are not doctors.

You keep wanting to downgrade the profession, perhaps you failed out. But that's not enough reason to want to downgrade it. But if you insist in touring that path, I wish you well Lol.

Again poor sign of a poor Education is underating other peoples Education when you haven't studied there. You can't tell what goes in Medical School or Dental School in the UK and the US.

I can tell you because of my exposure there, and it's much better than Nigeria. I never downgrade peoples effort when I don't have all the facts. You struggled through school, but haven't learnt the real lesson in your struggle which is humility. Humility to know that being a Secondary school Wizkid does not prepare you for the horrors that can come up in the game of life. Throw away opinionation, and learn about yourself, and your profession in the scheme of things as it stands in the current time zone. Cheers

Mikolion87:


Funny, are we living in the UK?

Let me remind you that dentists in the western world are not even as adequately trained in general medicine as those in Nigeria or other African countries. Just like Osteopaths in US are medical doctors (due to their training in Medicine also) unlike those in other countries who are not doctors.

You keep wanting to downgrade the profession, perhaps you failed out. But that's not enough reason to want to downgrade it. But if you insist in touring that path, I wish you well Lol.

I would never want to downgrade Dentistry. I would be elated if my Child chooses to be one, because it's a very noble profession. I would also crave for him to study the course outside Nigeria, possibly in the US, or maybe the UK, so he knows exactly where he is in the Scheme of things instead of using the Nigerian Mindset, where even a Dental Nurse can open a thread claiming to be same as a Dentist and people applaud them.

Also thanks for giving me a big laugh today. That Dentist in Nigeria and Africa are better trained than in Western world. I would share the joke with my colleagues at work, once I resume today. Cheers

sgtponzihater1:


Again poor sign of a poor Education is underating other peoples Education when you haven't studied there. You can't tell what goes in Medical School or Dental School in the UK and the US.

I can tell you because of my exposure there, and it's much better than Nigeria. I never downgrade peoples effort when I don't have all the facts. You struggled through school, but haven't learnt the real lesson in your struggle which is humility. Humility to know that being a Secondary school Wizkid does not prepare you for the horrors that can come up in the game of life. Throw away opinionation, and learn about yourself, and your profession in the scheme of things as it stands in the current time zone. Cheers

I find it very hilarious... My friend, calm down Lol. There's nothing that shows pride in all I said. I speak with facts, I don't say things I have not researched. I also have friends in the UK too.

Anyways, suit yourself. Cheers.

Mikolion87:


I find it very hilarious... My friend, calm down Lol. There's nothing that shows pride in all I said. I speak with facts, I don't say things I have not researched. I also have friends in the UK too.

Anyways, suit yourself. Cheers.

As your friends in the UK how to even become a Max Fax. They should educate you. Ask them if they call themselves Medical Doctors here. Then read the regulating bodies in all developed countries if you really do study. I was in your shoes long ago, I threw away pride and decided to think a little more globally. Use a Google search, ask if Dentist are Medical Doctors and check all the answers without bias.

For the sake of those who honestly want to learn about the curriculum of Dentistry (as obtainable in the institution I studied) and for the upcoming aspirants, here is an overview copied from my previous posts.


Dental surgery/Dentistry is the only specialty of Medicine which has carved out its own niche, hence candidates begin to specialize in the orofacial region from undergraduate, studying Medicine alongside (together with Medicine students from first to fifth year, then focusing in maxillofacial region in sixth year), in Colleges of Medicine in various Universities.

It has been described as the Most strenuous course owing to its dual natured training (Medicine and Dental surgery). At the end they graduate as Doctors and Dental surgeons with a Bachelor in Dental Surgery (BDS).

Many are yet unaware of the demands and intricacies of this course, including some newly admitted dental surgery students. Some think dentists are all about the teeth alone whereas others confuse them with other paramedics or dental auxiliaries (like dental technologists, dental therapists, dental nurses or assistants etc) who are trained in Schools of dental technology, hence the need for this enlightenment.
This enlightenment is for both dental surgery students and the general public or aspirants.


-First year: This is called Pre-Med, as candidates are yet to begin core medical courses. They do basic biological and Physical sciences (Physics, chemistry, Biology, Zoology etc etc). Same courses as Medicine Students.
This post will be centered on the Medical Courses (second to sixth year).

-Second- Third year:
*2nd BDS part A courses:
Oral Biology (Oral Anatomy and Oral Physiology).
*2nd BDS part B/2ndMBBS courses: Anatomy (Gross Anatomy, Embryology, Histology), Physiology, Medical Biochemistry.

By the second year, they write their 2nd BDS part A and by the 3rd year they write the 2nd MBBS exam (also called BDS part B) together with Medicine students.

-4th year courses:
*3rd BDS part A/3rd MBBS courses:
.Pharmacology and Therapeutics
. Pathology (Medical Microbiology, Chemical pathology, Hematology, Morbid Anatomy).

At the end they write the 3rd BDS part A/3rd MBBS together with the Medicine students.

*3rd BDS part B courses are as follows:
.Operative techniques
. Prosthetic techniques
. Science of Dental Materials

-5th year:
*They start short postings and lectures in the following Medical and surgical specialties:
Dermatology, ENT (Otorhinolaryngology), Ophthalmology, Anesthesiology, Radiology, Psychiatry, Emergency Medicine and Family Medicine.
*After which they proceed with other postings and Lectures in other specialties in internal Medicine and Surgery.
.Internal Medicine: Cardiology, gastroenterology, endocrinology, Neurology, Nephrology, Respiratory Medicine (pulmonology) and Rheumatology.
.Surgery: General surgery, Orthopedic surgery, Neurosurgery, Cardiothoracic surgery, Plastic surgery and Pediatric surgery.

After this they write the 4th BDS (or 5th MB) exam organized by the Faculty of Medical sciences or Medicine.

Those who survive till this stage are then ushered into the final phase of Dental surgery training with another rigorous Academic bombardments in about ten specialties of Dentistry/Dental surgery.

-6th year:
*5th BDS courses are:
.Oral and maxillofacial surgery
. Oral Pathology
.Oral Medicine
.Prosthetic dentistry (Prosthodontics)
.Restorative dentistry
.Pediatric dentistry (pedodontics)
.Orthodontics
.Periodontology
.Community dentistry
.Oral and maxillofacial radiology

After which they write the 5th BDS exam at the end of the session. Can sometimes take up to 7 years.

Tests will be written per semester on various courses before the Main exams at the end of every session.

Those who pass the final BDS exam are then inducted into the Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria (MDCN) as Doctors and Dental surgeons together with their Medical colleagues.

NB: There may be slight differences in the curriculum in various universities but many similarities.

This is a very rigorous training that have had a lot of people thrown out of the Medical school. Only very few end up surviving at the end. But, for the determined, it can be done.
For the Dental surgery students, remain focused, avoid distractions (social media, women etc), work hard and smart, pray too. It can be done.
Aspirants, work hard and smart too, never give up until you get the best out of life.

Reminder: Year one to first semester year 3 was exactly the same courses for those studying anatomy and physiology. Around final year they started doing projects and seminars in their various courses, and that gave them their Bachelors, yet they are smart enough to know the degree they earned.

sgtponzihater1:


As your friends in the UK how to even become a Max Fax. They should educate you. Ask them if they call themselves Medical Doctors here. Then read the regulating bodies in all developed countries if you really do study. I was in your shoes long ago, I threw away pride and decided to think a little more globally. Use a Google search, ask if Dentist are Medical Doctors and check all the answers without bias.

Lol.. What I do on a day to day basis affirms who I am. I don't have to argue that with anyone. You can read for yourself who dentists are on Wikipedia. Just type "dentist..Wikipedia". Moreover, I do not need anybody's validation. The title speaks for itself. Lol

sgtponzihater1:
Reminder: Year one to first semester year 3 was exactly the same courses for those studying anatomy and physiology. Around final year they started doing projects and seminars in their various courses, and that gave them their Bachelors, yet they are smart enough to know the degree they earned.

Glad you said first semester 3rd year and not 5th year (like dentists).

My degree says "Bachelor of Dental Surgery". That alone speaks for itself. If you're saying a surgeon is not a Doctor, as laughable as it sounds, suit yourself and believe whatever you want.. Lol

Mikolion87:
For the sake of those who honestly want to learn about the curriculum of Dentistry (as obtainable in the institution I studied) and for the upcoming aspirants, here is an overview copied from my previous posts.


Dental surgery/Dentistry is the only specialty of Medicine which has carved out its own niche, hence candidates begin to specialize in the orofacial region from undergraduate, studying Medicine alongside (together with Medicine students from first to fifth year, then focusing in maxillofacial region in sixth year), in Colleges of Medicine in various Universities.

It has been described as the Most strenuous course owing to its dual natured training (Medicine and Dental surgery). At the end they graduate as Doctors and Dental surgeons with a Bachelor in Dental Surgery (BDS).

Many are yet unaware of the demands and intricacies of this course, including some newly admitted dental surgery students. Some think dentists are all about the teeth alone whereas others confuse them with other paramedics or dental auxiliaries (like dental technologists, dental therapists, dental nurses or assistants etc) who are trained in Schools of dental technology, hence the need for this enlightenment.
This enlightenment is for both dental surgery students and the general public or aspirants.


-First year: This is called Pre-Med, as candidates are yet to begin core medical courses. They do basic biological and Physical sciences (Physics, chemistry, Biology, Zoology etc etc). Same courses as Medicine Students.
This post will be centered on the Medical Courses (second to sixth year).

-Second- Third year:
*2nd BDS part A courses:
Oral Biology (Oral Anatomy and Oral Physiology).
*2nd BDS part B/2ndMBBS courses: Anatomy (Gross Anatomy, Embryology, Histology), Physiology, Medical Biochemistry.

By the second year, they write their 2nd BDS part A and by the 3rd year they write the 2nd MBBS exam (also called BDS part B) together with Medicine students.

-4th year courses:
*3rd BDS part A/3rd MBBS courses:
.Pharmacology and Therapeutics
. Pathology (Medical Microbiology, Chemical pathology, Hematology, Morbid Anatomy).

At the end they write the 3rd BDS part A/3rd MBBS together with the Medicine students.

*3rd BDS part B courses are as follows:
.Operative techniques
. Prosthetic techniques
. Science of Dental Materials

-5th year:
*They start short postings and lectures in the following Medical and surgical specialties:
Dermatology, ENT (Otorhinolaryngology), Ophthalmology, Anesthesiology, Radiology, Psychiatry, Emergency Medicine and Family Medicine.
*After which they proceed with other postings and Lectures in other specialties in internal Medicine and Surgery.
.Internal Medicine: Cardiology, gastroenterology, endocrinology, Neurology, Nephrology, Respiratory Medicine (pulmonology) and Rheumatology.
.Surgery: General surgery, Orthopedic surgery, Neurosurgery, Cardiothoracic surgery, Plastic surgery and Pediatric surgery.

After this they write the 4th BDS (or 5th MB) exam organized by the Faculty of Medical sciences or Medicine.

Those who survive till this stage are then ushered into the final phase of Dental surgery training with another rigorous Academic bombardments in about ten specialties of Dentistry/Dental surgery.

-6th year:
*5th BDS courses are:
.Oral and maxillofacial surgery
. Oral Pathology
.Oral Medicine
.Prosthetic dentistry (Prosthodontics)
.Restorative dentistry
.Pediatric dentistry (pedodontics)
.Orthodontics
.Periodontology
.Community dentistry
.Oral and maxillofacial radiology

After which they write the 5th BDS exam at the end of the session. Can sometimes take up to 7 years.

Tests will be written per semester on various courses before the Main exams at the end of every session.

Those who pass the final BDS exam are then inducted into the Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria (MDCN) as Doctors and Dental surgeons together with their Medical colleagues.

NB: There may be slight differences in the curriculum in various universities but many similarities.

This is a very rigorous training that have had a lot of people thrown out of the Medical school. Only very few end up surviving at the end. But, for the determined, it can be done.
For the Dental surgery students, remain focused, avoid distractions (social media, women etc), work hard and smart, pray too. It can be done.
Aspirants, work hard and smart too, never give up until you get the best out of life.

I have never seen Medical Doctors try to validate the rigors of their studies like this. Doctors had long and didactic postings in OnG, Paediatrics, Medicine and Surgery, and preventive and social Medicine. That's the bedrock of Medicine. Short postings in ENT and Medicine and all those courses you mentioned doesn't make you a Medical Doctor. You must have professional passes in Paediatric and OnG too dude.

A decade after Medical school I am still learning and relearning. You get an MBBS through long study of Basic Medical sciences, pathology, and having long, didactic postings, with professional
MBBS exams in the four pillars of Medicine which are Medicine, Surgery, Paediatrics and OnG, and only after a 12month internship rotating through these Medicine and Surgery, and Womens and Child health do you get the licence as a Medical Doctor. If you didn't follow this path then you have a different route which you should embrace. Dentistry should have maybe a 10months internship, I can't clearly remember because I am sold to my profession. Cheers

Mikolion87:


Glad you said first semester 3rd year and not 5th year (like dentists).

My degree says "Bachelor of Dental Surgery". That alone speaks for itself. If you're saying a surgeon is not a Doctor, as laughable as it sounds, suit yourself and believe whatever you wnt.. Lol
D

Same as the Degree in Most part of the world says. But their bodies clearly state that they aren't medical Doctors, and shouldn't deceive people with that

Mikolion87:


Glad you said first semester 3rd year and not 5th year (like dentists).

My degree says "Bachelor of Dental Surgery". That alone speaks for itself. If you're saying a surgeon is not a Doctor, as laughable as it sounds, suit yourself and believe whatever you want.. Lol

After year 4 Dentists and Medical Doctors bid themselves farewell. 5 year is a whole year of OnG and Child health, Dentists don't do this. The Medicine you do is now like any other posting that nurses, radiographers, physiotherapists rotate the wards to do. We don't sit the same hours and in those classes doing those courses, and you cannot claim to be at MBBS level in any of those. Read, learn and think globally. Prepare for you induction too, and search for internship space. If you decide to remain in Naija write primaries in OMS so you keep using the same theatres with ENT surgeons and fighting for theater space. If you do community Dentistry then you can fight members of the community who are very aware that you were trained treat the mouth and teeth

sgtponzihater1:


I would never want to downgrade Dentistry. I would be elated if my Child chooses to be one, because it's a very noble profession. I would also crave for him to study the course outside Nigeria, possibly in the US, or maybe the UK, so he knows exactly where he is in the Scheme of things instead of using the Nigerian Mindset, where even a Dental Nurse can open a thread claiming to be same as a Dentist and people applaud them.

Also thanks for giving me a big laugh today. That Dentist in Nigeria and Africa are better trained than in Western world. I would share the joke with my colleagues at work, once I resume today. Cheers

Lol.. And please when you share it, emphasize that I said dentists in Nigeria have a broader training in "General medicine" than the rest.. However, I know western dentists have more "dental" training and expertise than ourselves.

You may also share with them the curriculum I posted here so they can see. Don't say anything I didn't say. Thank you Lol

sgtponzihater1:


After year 4 Dentists and Medical Doctors bid themselves farewell. 5 year is a whole year of OnG and Child health, Dentists don't do this. The Medicine you do is now like any other posting that nurses, radiographers, physiotherapists rotate the wards to do. We don't sit the same hours and in those classes doing those courses, and you cannot claim to be at MBBS level in any of those. Read, learn and think globally. Prepare for you induction too, and search for internship space. If you decide to remain in Naija write primaries in OMS so you keep using the same theatres with ENT surgeons and fighting for theater space. If you do community Dentistry then you can fight members of the community who are very aware that you were trained treat the mouth and teeth

You're funny.. Physiotherapists don't rotate in "medicine" and "surgery", nurses study "medical nursing" not "medicine"... You already know how an exam organized by physicians will be like, it can never be inferior to those organized for their own students. We all use same text books and same topics, same soft copy materials to prepare for it so it's never inferior than that for mbbs students. In my school, it was same exam (5th mbbs/4thbds)...

I'm just being patient enough with you just so I can also educate numerous others who may even opt into dentistry after reading these write ups of mine (as many have already done).

Go through the curriculum I put down.. Read it slowly and word for word and deal with it.

But I can't help you with your ignorance if you choose to remain there.

sgtponzihater1:


Same as the Degree in Most part of the world says. But their bodies clearly state that they aren't medical Doctors, and shouldn't deceive people with that

As contradictory as it sounds, our title already calls us "Doctor". You may say it's same with PhD etc. But remember that only Dentists and Physicians are referred as "Doctors" even with Bachelor degrees (BDS, MBBS)..

What makes someone a "medical doctor" is firstly your training and your skills (Medically and surgically).

Mikolion87:


You're funny.. Physiotherapists don't rotate in "medicine" and "surgery", nurses study "medical nursing" not "medicine"... You already know how an exam organized by physicians will be like, it can never be inferior to those organized for their own students. We all use same text books and same topics, same soft copy materials to prepare for it so it's never inferior than that for mbbs students. In my school, it was same exam (5th mbbs/4thbds)...

I'm just being patient enough with you just so I can also educate numerous others who may even opt into dentistry after reading these write ups of mine.

Go through the curriculum I put down.. Read it word for word and deal with it.

But I can't help you with your ignorance if you choose to remain there.

Tell the gullible ones you did Medicine and Surgery for a whole one year like MBBS. Or the one year Medics did Medicine and Surgery they were sleeping. Or you had the same Medicine and Surgery classes with Medics. And did all the Medicine posting they did. Also add a lie that you did the same Bachelors in paediatric and women health, and your final licence has licensed as a Medical practitioner on it.

Anyone who wants to go into Dentistry can and should, but shouldn't be decieved that it's the same with MBBS. Courses are never almost the same its either A or B, its either eight or eighteen, the een on it changes everything. Even Dental colleagues those day were more knowledgeable; they wanted to get done with their Medicine notes and face what really mattered to them, our lecturers hardly failed them in the short Medicine or Surgery courses they did too, because it was not really their tuff. The Dental students were even the ones who first mentioned it that OMS bridges Medicine and dentistry, because during that posting you get to pick up valuable clinical skills. The truth makes us free, grow and fearless.

You won't be accepted to take USMLE or Plab or AMC because the Medicine you did cannot be be accepted by even Ghana to practice as a medical Doctor there, you have to follow your Dental pathway. Same way Doctors cannot switch to become dentists, they have to reattend dental school and vice versa. Safe

Mikolion87:


As contradictory as it sounds, our title already calls us "Doctor". You may say it's same with PhD etc. But remember that only Dentists and Physicians are referred as "Doctors" even with Bachelor degrees (BDS, MBBS)..

What makes someone a "medical doctor" is firstly your training and your skills (Medically and surgically).

Dentist are Doctors, the same way as optometrists are Doctors. It doesn't make any of them Medical Doctors. Their degree does that for them. Do optometrist treat a part of the human body? Yes they do, do they prescribe lenses and medicines?, yes they do, does that make them Medical Doctors, no. Learn man.

Change the name of the thread to my Dental school experience, let those who want to study Dentistry learn, this title itself is misleading. The same course can't have different faculty. Sooner or later, Dentistry would have it's own regulatory body in Nigeria. It's still with Medicine because it's still a growing profession there.

sgtponzihater1:


Tell the gullible ones you did Medicine and Surgery for a whole one year like MBBS. Or the one year Medics did Medicine and Surgery they were sleeping. Or you had the same Medicine and Surgery classes with Medics. And did all the Medicine posting they did. Also add a lie that you did the same Bachelors in paediatric and women health, and your final licence has licensed as a Medical practitioner on it.

Anyone who wants to go into Dentistry can and should, but shouldn't be recieved that it's the same with MBBS. Courses are never almost the same its either A or B, its either eight or eighteen, the een on it changes everything. Even Dental colleagues those day were more knowledgeable; they wanted to get done with their Medicine notes and face what really mattered to them, our lecturers hardly failed them in the short Medicine or Surgery courses they did too, because it wanted really their tuff. The Dental students were even the ones who first mentioned it that OMS bridges Medicine and dentistry, because during that posting you get to pick up valuable clinical skills. The truth makes us free, grow and fearless.

You won't be accepted to take USMLE or Plab or AMC because the Medicine you did cannot be be accepted by even Ghana to practice as a medical Doctor there, you have to follow your Dental pathway. Same way Doctors cannot switch to become dentists, they have to reattend dental school and vice versa. Safe

Dentistry is NOT same with MBBS my friend, it's MORE, it's an Independent Specialty of Medicine. One graduates as a Doctor/Dental Surgeon (Specialist). Definitely, you're already a specialist when you graduate, but then can undergo further trainings in other areas within Dental Surgery.

The whole training in Medicine for all Doctors is not so you can come and practice everything (No medical doctor Practices everything). There are areas reserved only for specialists in that field (ENT, neurosurgery, orthopedic, plastics etc). Specializing is an advancement not limitation. Doctors should not be jack of all trades master of none. The training in general Medicine for Every Doctor is to aid in treatment or diagnosis in your area and adequate referral to a Specialist when the need arise.

Dentists are Specialized medical doctor. I hope it's clearer to you now my friend hater Lol.

sgtponzihater1:
Change the name of the thread to my Dental school experience, let those who want to study Dentistry learn, this title itself is misleading. The same course can't have different faculty. Sooner or later, Dentistry would have it's own regulatory body in Nigeria. It's still with Medicine because it's still a growing profession there.

I would prefer it to have its own body, it will allow for more autonomy and growth... Lol.

For Instance, in my institution, dental students once belonged to the same association with medicine students.. I was among those who pushed for us to have ours (although those in first year are still together with medicine).

It gives us more political privileges. Those at lower classes and those who reason differently due to ignorance of who they are, may not understand.

Concerning the title of the thread... You're very funny. I'm amazed at your reasoning..

In that case it should be my "Medical and Dental school experience" because I shuttled LITERALLY between two faculties. Smh

I am almost an optometrist and I am proud of that. The issue with Nigeria is that of political alignment. Dentists have been accepted in everything medical doctors do. Both in association and privileges. This is purely a political one. In school they stay together until the finals. This doesn't make a dentist a medical doctor. Of course such person is a doctor. Even in the board, what you have is medical and dental council to tell you that it is made up of two professions(dentists and medical doctors. Even in employment advert, you see BDS and mbbs. It is the Nigerian anomaly that some dentists have grown to take as normal. The fact that two things are equal does not make them the same. A dentist is a doctor likewise an optometrist but the distinction should be made. I am a doctor of optometry (OD), that's what I tell people so they don't get it twisted.

Mikolion87:


I would prefer it to have its own body, it will allow for more autonomy and growth... Lol.

For Instance, in my institution, dental students once belonged to the same association with medicine students.. I was among those who pushed for us to have ours (although those in first year are still together with medicine).

It gives us more political privileges. Those at lower classes and those who reason differently due to ignorance of who they are, may not understand.

Concerning the title of the thread... You're very funny. I'm amazed at your reasoning..

In that case it should be my "Medical and Dental school experience" because I shuttled LITERALLY between two faculties. Smh

A specialist that cannot cross specialty is not a specialist. If I were a Surgeon, I could decide to become a cardiologist if I want to as my training permits. As a specialist Dentist sir, can you change specialty to OnG if you like your almighty 2 in 1 degree? Note that to even be accepted as a Medical Doctor, you must prove minimum of 12weeks ok internship in Medicine and surgery and Paediatrics. I know Dentistry offers those internship opportunities. I am off to work. Will possibly check on you when I return or during a break. Cheers

DOMINO001:
I am almost an optometrist and I am proud of that. The issue with Nigeria is that of political alignment. Dentists have been accepted in everything medical doctors do. Both in association and privileges. This is purely a political one. In school they stay together until the finals. This doesn't make a dentist a medical doctor. Of course such person is a doctor. Even in the board, what you have is medical and dental council to tell you that it is made up of two professions(dentists and medical doctors. Even in employment advert, you see BDS and mbbs. It is the Nigerian anomaly that some dentists have grown to take as normal. The fact that two things are equal does not make them the same. A dentist is a doctor likewise an optometrist but the distinction should be made. I am a doctor of optometry (OD), that's what I tell people so they don't get it twisted.

Lovely piece. Maybe when people gather to educate the dude he would finally hear word

Addendum: not until finals, but until ur 4 is over. 500level Medicine does paediatric and onG, and Dentist do their own thing. Even their Medicine and Surgery classes are thought differently not the same class but by MBBS doctors as Dentists are not qualified to teach Medicine and Surgery.

sgtponzihater1:


Dentist are Doctors, the same way as optometrists are Doctors. It doesn't make any of them Medical Doctors. Their degree does that for them. Do optometrist treat a part of the human body? Yes they do, do they prescribe lenses and medicines?, yes they do, does that make them Medical Doctors, no. Learn man.

An optometrist is a doctor because his degree says so (Doctor of optometry). Dentists and Physicians are Doctors not necessarily because of their degree as most in our clime have "bachelors degree" (BDS and MBBS) not "doctorate" (D.O, PhD).

Optometrists do not perform surgeries, and the primary physicians of the eye are called Ophthalmologists. However, Dentists are the Primary Physicians and Surgeons of the Oral Cavity, and Maxillofacial region.

What makes one a "medical doctor" even without a doctorate, is the skills. (read that again slowly). lol

I don't have enough time, I could have enlightened all of you more on the reason why Physicians and Dentists ( Surgeons) are One and have always seen each other as such.

There is a historic background to it. But you all will never know because you're interested in satisfying your expectations. If you want to be educated about Dental Surgery (Dentistry), I'll do that. But of course you don't.