Upworkwriter007:
mararaba is in nassarawa.....suleja is in niger state.....If Kuje to Nyaya is far, then you need to check the urban areas of ib out...

Bro, I be Abuja boy o.
Though Suleja is politically part of Niger state 80% of her inhabitants are a civil servant of or workers that are earning their living in Abuja, ditto Mararaba.

From Suleja, through Mandala, Zuba, Kubwa experess way all the way down to AYA, to Abacha barack, down to Marabba and even Masaka are all consider to be Abuja.

LegendHer0:

Yes, that is exactly what I am trying to point out about Kano. If you compare most socio-economic metrics of Ibadan and Kano, Ibadan will beat Kano hands down.

Kano is huge economically, but the urban areas in kano ain't much.

myobjective:


Bro, I be Abuja boy o.
Though Suleja is politically part of Niger state 80% of her inhabitants are a civil servant of or workers that are earning their living in Abuja, ditto Mararaba.

From Suleja, through Mandala, Zuba, Kubwa experess way all the way down to AYA, to Abacha barack, down to Marabba and even Masaka are all consider to be Abuja.

I sabi abj die...but u don't know ibadan....i know all these places you mentioned, its not big bro.....Kubwa where NYSC camp is, AYA the popular bus stop, abacha barracks on the way to nyanya, bro i no all this placess nah..even grarimpa axis. aw far nah, urban areas for ib big pass everything op dey potray.

Upworkwriter007:
mararaba is in nassarawa.....suleja is in niger state.....If Kuje to Nyaya is far, then you need to check the urban areas of ib out...Olodo is an urban area in IB that the guy left out...i know this areas bro

I was also like Olodo is part of Ibadan. But in the above he left it out.

Although there will always be one or two discrepancies in measurements, I am sure we can still give him 80-85% confidence

LegendHer0:

Yes, that is exactly what I am trying to point out about Kano. If you compare most socio-economic metrics of Ibadan and Kano, Ibadan will beat Kano hands down.

Ibadan beat Kano in the following area.
1. Industries
2. Institution
3. Residential
4. City planning.

Kano is actually a bit better in infrastructure though.

Upworkwriter007:


I sabi abj die...but u dont know ibadan....i know all this places you mentioned, its not big bro.....

I have done my than three different projects in Ibadan.

myobjective:


I have done my than three different projects in Ibadan.

Which part of ib, lemme describe things for you.

Nowenuse:


Nkwelle & Nkpor were fully included, look at it well. It is Ogbunike and Oba that were not included. ...

Anambra has a similar problem with Lagos state ...Almost every part of the state is urbanized and many towns are merged together. You will end up including Nnewi, Awka & Ozubulu if you follow town to town measurement for Onitsha.

You are right though, going from Onitsha to Awka through old road, you wouldn't even know when you get to Awka because the whole place is built up

LegendHer0:


You shouldn't compare Ibadan to Kano especially after the current system of government which took real power away from the regions.

Kano is like the Lagos of the North. Infrastructure, business, etc. will be more concentrated in Kano going by normal rule of thumb because Kano is the major meeting point of the North.

Ibadan is still doing far better than Kano when you compare certain socio-economic metrics with that of Kano.

Dude has never been to Ibadan. He's using google map to determine how modernised a city is. I was in Ibadan last Christmas and the fun i had compared favourably with Lagos.
Kano for example has only one shoprite mall while Ibadan has two not to count other malls that can compete favourably with shop rite that exist in Ibadan.

Upworkwriter007:

,....Wait ooo, do you know Ibadan? or which Ibadan are we saying sef? kano is the economic capital of the north, but the rate at which Ibadan's population is exploding is very massive. .......
But Abj is not big,......abj municipal is not big at all....compared to urban areas in ibadan? common i know this two states like i know the back of my hands... this stat doesn't reflect the true stat of things .

He should remove all those suleja/zuba/karu. Suleja/zuba for example is in Niger state not Abuja and karu too is not part of Abuja. Op is confused

LegendHer0:


You shouldn't compare Ibadan to Kano especially after the current system of government which took real power away from the regions.

Kano is like the Lagos of the North. Infrastructure, business, etc. will be more concentrated in Kano going by normal rule of thumb because Kano is the major meeting point of the North.

Ibadan is still doing far better than Kano when you compare certain socio-economic metrics with that of Kano.

Kano does not have exclusive domination of the north. Kaduna can give Kano a run for it's money in almost every aspect.

Ibadan is doing better than Kano in Human development index definitely because Hausa fulani people are largely illiterate. Nothing else.

myobjective:


Bro, believe me, Ibadan is better than Kano, I have been to both city and I can tell. The modern part of Kano is much smaller than that of Ibadan.

Apart from the oil-producing states and Lagos, Kano earn the highest revenue from the federation account due to her perceived population and the number of local government, so it should more be developed as it is also easier to develop infrastructure like road in the north-west than south-west due to rainfall and soil condition.

This is very very false.
The modern parts of Ibadan can never be bigger than the modern parts of Kano.

Use Google maps right now to view Ibadan and Kano closely, then come back and repeat this statement.

80% of the houses and suburbs in Ibadan look very very brown and dusty from above! And very congested too!

Nowenuse:


You see, you Igbos always have a victim mentality even when the situation does not warrant it and believe you me, this kind of mentality never helps anyone.

These measurements were carried out by a friend of mine who lives in Germany, you can see that the language of measurement is in German. And to burst your bubble, he is an Igbo man! Yes you heard me right.

A Yoruba person enlightened me on how 1 or 2 suburbs of Ibadan were left out in the measurement, but he did not go all out sentimental as you are now doing. ...

In this measurement, this Igbo friend of mine did not include Mararaban Jos (a suburb of Kaduna) to his measurement. Ibafo was not included in the Lagos measurement. Same with parts of Abuja ... That was why I have a disclaimer above.

If Umudike is added to Umuahia, will it make Umuahia up to 200km²? One or 2 suburbs cannot be more than 10km².

You can't blame anyone but yourself for denouncing your shoddy job. Why will someone in Germany be measuring cities in Nigeria? Does that even make sense to you? A researcher with poor knowledge of his subject. Trash it!!

Agboriotejoye:

He should remove all those suleja/zuba/karu. Suleja/zuba for example is in Niger state not Abuja and karu too is not part of Abuja. Op is confused

Upworkwriter007:
mararaba is in nassarawa.....suleja is in niger state.....If Kuje to Nyaya is far, then you need to check the urban areas of ib out...Olodo is an urban area in IB that the guy left out...i know this areas bro

What exactly are you guys arguing?

Parts of Suleja & Karu are in Nasarawa & Niger states, does that stop these places from being part of Abuja urban area?

Agbara, Sango Ota, Ibafo e.t.c, are all these places not located in Ogun state? Does it stop them from being part of greater Lagos Urban area?

myobjective:


He is actually right about Abuja. Abuja municipal actual include the city centre, Kuje, Kubwa, Suleja axis, Gwagalada, Mararaba etc. But ghe actual city center is actually small.

Suleja is not part of Abuja. Suleja is Niger state

Nowenuse:




What exactly are you guys arguing?

Parts of Suleja & Karu are in Nasarawa & Niger states, does that stop these places from being part of Abuja urban area?

Agbara, Sango Ota, Ibafo e.t.c, are all these places not located in Ogun state? Does it stop them from being part of greater Lagos Urban area?

Now i'm confused, shouldn't a location be in a state to be the states urban area. like can u have lagos urban area in ogun state or Ibadan?

Upworkwriter007:
mararaba is in nassarawa.....suleja is in niger state.....If Kuje to Nyaya is far, then you need to check the urban areas of ib out...Olodo is an urban area in IB that the guy left out...i know this areas bro

Olodo on Iwo express. Dude is funny.
I'm sure he left out ajoda up to waterworks towards the north

Nowenuse:


Kano does not have exclusive domination of the north. Kaduna can give Kano a run for it's money in almost every aspect.

Ibadan is doing better than Kano in Human development index definitely because Hausa fulani people are largely illiterate. Nothing else.



This is very very false.
The modern parts of Ibadan can never be bigger than the modern parts of Kano.

Use Google maps right now to view Ibadan and Kano closely, then come back and repeat this statement.

80% of the houses and suburbs in Ibadan look very very brown and dusty from above! And very congested too!

the last paragraph though..

in Nigeria we celebrate villages while in South Africa they celebrate cities with Downtown

Agboriotejoye:

Dude has never been to Ibadan. He's using google map to determine how modernised a city is. I was in Ibadan last Christmas and the fun i had compared favourably with Lagos.
Kano for example has only one shoprite mall while Ibadan has two not to count other malls that can compete favourably with shop rite that exist in Ibadan.

I always watch some ignorant folks online. They always use Molete-Bode-Oja Oba-Bere area to depicit Ibadan online like that is what Ibadan actually look like lol.

Ibadan has lot of housing estates, while even the Challenge - Orita - Oluyole Estate - Academy - Ajila Estate - etc alone has lot of housing and better placed industries. Industries along that New Garage -Podo Area - Down to Odo-Ona Kekere alone self plenty.

Not even talking of all those Bodija, Dugbe, Agodi GRA etc.

Nowenuse:




What exactly are you guys arguing?

Parts of Suleja & Karu are in Nasarawa & Niger states, does that stop these places from being part of Abuja urban area?

Agbara, Sango Ota, Ibafo e.t.c, are all these places not located in Ogun state? Does it stop them from being part of greater Lagos Urban area?

You are not knowledgeable in dis matter. I suggest you drop it. Suleja is not under Abuja be it geographically or politically. Suleja is in Niger state. Adding it to Abuja is like adding fiditi to Ibadan. Same with karu

Nowenuse:




What exactly are you guys arguing?

Parts of Suleja & Karu are in Nasarawa & Niger states, does that stop these places from being part of Abuja urban area?

Agbara, Sango Ota, Ibafo e.t.c, are all these places not located in Ogun state? Does it stop them from being part of greater Lagos Urban area?

yes it will stop them. hence there's a state boundary

Biafrarep:


Using landmass to guage a city can be misleading. This is because some cities maximize land use while others waste it. For instance, in most other parts of Nigeria, bungalow and one storey buildings are prevalent but in the East, people hardly build bungalows. In cities like Onitsha and Aba, you can see large blocks of highrise buildings stretching for as far as your eyes can see. So population density per square kilometer will be very high unlike places like Kano, Ibadan, Abuja etc where low buildings are more in number.

Thank you very much for this.

Some Igbos are already here lamenting thinking that the fact that SE cities are smaller means less population, but that is not true.

SE/SS cities build storey buildings far far more compared to the north. Land is very cheap, available and everywhere in the north, so people do not bother to build storey buildings.

Jos may be twice the size of Aba in Landmass, but population wise, they should be the same!

myobjective:


Bro, I be Abuja boy o.
Though Suleja is politically part of Niger state 80% of her inhabitants are a civil servant of or workers that are earning their living in Abuja, ditto Mararaba.

From Suleja, through Mandala, Zuba, Kubwa experess way all the way down to AYA, to Abacha barack, down to Marabba and even Masaka are all consider to be Abuja.

Nobody considers suleja to be Abuja. All the taxes being collected in suleja goes to Niger state govt. Perception is not reality. Suleja is a local govt on its own under Niger state

Grgton:
the last paragraph though..

in Nigeria we celebrate villages while in South Africa they celebrate cities with Downtown

Lol.....the only part of ibadan with brown roofs is the mapo/beere/kudeti axis of ibadan. those areas are as big as a city, so i understand the perception that that's ibadan... that 80% of ibadan is congested? i won't even say 5% of Ibadan is congested. That brown roof area is the village of ibadan, where the indigenes come from. mafo

LegendHer0:


I was also like Olodo is part of Ibadan. But in the above he left it out.

Although there will always be one or two discrepancies in measurements, I am sure we can still give him 80-85% confidence

Nope. I'll give him 20. He has no knowledge of what he's getting about

Nowenuse:


Kano does not have exclusive domination of the north. Kaduna can give Kano a run for it's money in almost every aspect.

Ibadan is doing better than Kano in Human development index definitely because Hausa fulani people are largely illiterate. Nothing else.



This is very very false.
The modern parts of Ibadan can never be bigger than the modern parts of Kano.

Use Google maps right now to view Ibadan and Kano closely, then come back and repeat this statement.

80% of the houses and suburbs in Ibadan look very very brown and dusty from above! And very congested too!

I am a civil engineer and I have actually visited both city to work on building project. I used to have this believe until I actually visit Ibadan to handle a building project. During the course of the project, I actually traveled around and I was amazed by the level of development of the city.

The edge the south normally has over the north is presence of more middle class. These middle class are the people responsible for most of these modern districts in the south, reasons why southern states capital normally have more modern districts than their northern counterpart. For example, a city like Minna has wonderful road, canal and drainage in the city but the built up areas are abysmally poor compare to a city like Awka that may not such infrastructure. Minna infrastructure were largely built by the Babangida gov't but due to the level of poverty of inhabitant the city is not so good.

Grgton:
yes it will stop them. the state boundaries do not but Agbara, Sango ota, ibafo in Lagos State..

All in Ogun.

myobjective:


Ibadan beat Kano in the following area.
1. Industries
2. Institution
3. Residential
4. City planning.

Kano is actually a bit better in infrastructure though.

What do you mean by infrastructure?

[quote author=Agboriotejoye post=87337885]
Nobody considers suleja to be Abuja. All the taxes being collected in suleja goes to Niger state govt. Perception is not reality. Suleja is a local govt on its own under Niger state

Suleja was actually the city of government, the first NTA in Abuja was built in Suleja, the first presidential lodge was built in Suleja and 70% of current Abuja land belongs to the Suleja Emirate.

Most of the infrastructure in Suleja like roads, water work were actually done by the state government because it has a special status.

Nowenuse:


Kano does not have exclusive domination of the north. Kaduna can give Kano a run for it's money in almost every aspect.

Ibadan is doing better than Kano in Human development index definitely because Hausa fulani people are largely illiterate. Nothing else.



This is very very false.
The modern parts of Ibadan can never be bigger than the modern parts of Kano.

Use Google maps right now to view Ibadan and Kano closely, then come back and repeat this statement.

80% of the houses and suburbs in Ibadan look very very brown and dusty from above! And very congested too!

The bolded is a lie bro. You don't know Ibadan.

Most of you always use the Molete- Bode - Bere stretch to categorize Ibadan coz that is where all those dusty roofs are concentrated.

I just always laugh online because you don't even know the actual urbanized Ibadan. We have Aerodome GRA, Samonda, Alalubosa GRA, Jericho GRA, New and old Bodija GRA, Agodi GRA, Ikolaba GRA, Bashorun Estate, Kolapo Ishola GRA, Carlton Gate, Alao-Akala Estate.

See moving down to even Oluyole Estate side down to those Ajila and the new site of Elebu etc alone no be child play. Mind you, I don't even know much of Ibadan coz I left properly since 2008.

Check this thread about Ibadan by someone:
https://www.nairaland.com/3941777/ibadan-pictures-development-fastest-growing/1

Agboriotejoye:

You are not knowledgeable in dis matter. I suggest you drop it. Suleja is not under Abuja be it geographically or politically. Suleja is in Niger state. Adding it to Abuja is like adding fiditi to Ibadan. Same with karu

Grgton:
yes it will stop them. the state boundaries do not but Agbara, Sango ota, ibafo in Lagos State..

You people are the Ignorant one here oga...

Madalla/Zuba are in FCT, but Suleja is in Niger state.... Madalla/Zuba and Suleja are one urban area, you cannot separate one from the other..... Same way Mararaba-Nyanya has some parts in FCT and others in Nasarawa state.

FCT is not a state, it is just a small area carved out from present day Nasarawa, Niger & Kogi states to serve as FCT.


Get this and stop embarrassing yourselves... Urban and metropolitan areas are not measured based on states... Rather they are measured on how development spreads and how connected these suburbs are socially, economically and infrastructurally.

For example, Kaduna city is divided by a river and that river is to be the boundary for the creation of Gurara state (for Southern Kaduna people)... If this is achieved, does it now make Kaduna city 2 entirely different cities?

Agboriotejoye:

Dude has never been to Ibadan. He's using google map to determine how modernised a city is. I was in Ibadan last Christmas and the fun i had compared favourably with Lagos.
Kano for example has only one shoprite mall while Ibadan has two not to count other malls that can compete favourably with shop rite that exist in Ibadan.

Lol Ibadan also have lot of other malls like Heritage Mall, Ventura Mall. Jerico Mall, Cocoa Mall, Palms Mall.

Agboriotejoye:

What do you mean by infrastructure?

such as water works, roads, bridges and canals. Kano is actually a bit better in this regard than Ibadan.