Nowenuse:


You are very very correct with this assertion.

The core north or Muslim north has a big problem with middle-class population and this is largely due to illiteracy and nothing else.

I also saw this disappointment in Minna when I went there.... Any place that is northern Muslim dominated is always like that. They are very backward and retrogressive people.

Agboriotejoye:


In ur op, you added bwari, karu, gwagwalada to Abuja. Why didn't you just refer to all those places as fct. I'm simply following your definition.
Do you know where bwari and kuje are? When people say Abuja, it is loosely used to refer to the fct as a whole. Nobody in bwari will say I'm in bwari but not in Abuja. But nobody will say I'm in Abuja whereas he's in suleja. Suleja is to all intents and purposes different from Abuja. Quote me anywhere. I'm telling you dis as someone who moves round those areas well. It's just like Lagos. Someone in Ikeja and another in ketu are in Lagos. But nobody will be in Mowe and say he's in Lagos.

Like I told you, if you decide to come up with ur own definition to add suleja to Abuja, it's ur wahala. But when Abuja/FCT was being created, suleja was not part of it.

Agboriotejoye:

The guy's problem is oversabi. How can you carry an American system of defining boundaries to Nigeria. America have mayors and the cities with homogenous groups which are more or less like states with their own autonomy.
You now compare to Nigeria that uses LGAs and recognises towns as separate units from cities with tribes and races. Suleja has an emir. He'll rather die than hear he is now a part of Abuja because Abuja belongs to gbagyi
He should have found out how cities and urban settlements are mapped in Nigeria.
But he has an ulterior motive based on his previous thread which was to prove that northern cities are bigger than southern ones. Same guy is now accusing someone of tribalism.
All he did is academic in the real sense and to all intents and purposes have no bearing in those areas he crafted.

Nowenuse, sorry your attempt has failed. Try next time

Nowenuse:


Here you go

mrvitalis:
Again

Uyo bigger than owerri u must be smoking coke ....see how u stylishly didn't measure parts of onitsha just to make it look small

Uyo that someone can jog from ifa to itam or. Nwaniba to itam is what u want to compare with owerri

What do u guys even gain with all this lies

Nowenuse:


Ignorance is not an excuse! The fact that people in Bwari & Gwagwalada think they are in Abuja does not make it constitutionally correct if we are to go by your strict adherence to political boundaries.

Do you people even know the history of the name Abuja and how it came about? Abuja & Suleja were founded the same time by same people who fled from Zaria during Danfodio's conquest... They are practically the same place (kingdom)... It was military leaders that brought this separation in nomenclature. Abuja was under Suleja in the old Niger state!

Places like Abaji had no business with Abuja, it has always been a different historic town of it's own! And right from colonial times it was with Kabba/Kwara areas and divisions....

Only ignoramuses will equate places like Abaji & Kwali to Abuja.... They have no relationship whatsoever other than the fact that military leaders amalgamated them from different states to form FCT.

This is the last time I will be schooling your ignorance on this... If you still cannot get it, then I give up.

For the last time, FCT is not the same with Abuja.... Abuja (constitutionally known as Abuja municipal) is a place under FCT just as Kwali and Abaji are places under FCT. ....

Saying Abaji is under Abuja is just like saying Ogbomosho is under Ibadan...

mrvitalis:
Again

Uyo bigger than owerri u must be smoking coke ....see how u stylishly didn't measure parts of onitsha just to make it look small

Uyo that someone can jog from ifa to itam or. Nwaniba to itam is what u want to compare with owerri

What do u guys even gain with all this lies

Nowenuse:


You and Grgton.

The concept of Urban/Metro areas is one which is accepted as a standard by the entire world. I see no reason why you guys should insist on Nigeria being any different...

The world ranks Lagos urban area as one of the largest in the world, and of course they include all the adjoining parts of Ogun to it.

I have a question for you guys, and I asked you some of it before but you didn't answer.

Kaduna state is to be divided along the Kaduna river that cuts Kaduna city into halves.... If this division is realized, will Kaduna city cease to exist as a city? Or what will happen?

If Nigeria divides today and the whole of Abuja-Suleja-Karu becomes part of a new middlebelt country and FCT ceases to exist as a political classification... What happens then?

You seem to forget that political classifications are very very temporary nomenclatures that can be changed or adjusted at any point in time... But you can never relocate the suburbs of an urban area from where they are.

Read very well below to see how Abuja was defined.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuja

Nowenuse:


Kind of, but the situation in Kaduna was somehow fraudulent.

Sabo (the biggest suburb south of the Kaduna river) was actually part of old Kaduna city LGA but during the division of Kaduna LGA into Kaduna north & South LGAs, Sabo was taken to Chikun LGA... This was done to deliberately weaken the population of Christians in Kaduna north & south LGAs.

Muslim dominated areas in the north of Kaduna river were added to Kaduna south LGA... It was just purely manipulated.

Movic1:



These are pictures i took from Dala Hills. I couldn't find the one i took from Goron dutse hill. If am to go buy your logic then areas without brown roof in kano is just 13%..

Nowenuse:



You people are the Ignorant one here oga...

Madalla/Zuba are in FCT, but Suleja is in Niger state.... Madalla/Zuba and Suleja are one urban area, you cannot separate one from the other..... Same way Mararaba-Nyanya has some parts in FCT and others in Nasarawa state.

FCT is not a state, it is just a small area carved out from present day Nasarawa, Niger & Kogi states to serve as FCT.


Get this and stop embarrassing yourselves... Urban and metropolitan areas are not measured based on states... Rather they are measured on how development spreads and how connected these suburbs are socially, economically and infrastructurally.

For example, Kaduna city is divided by a river and that river is to be the boundary for the creation of Gurara state (for Southern Kaduna people)... If this is achieved, does it now make Kaduna city 2 entirely different cities?

Nowenuse:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_area

Read this above and learn to educate your ignorance!

A city is different from an Urban area/metropolitan area.

Ikorodu is a different city from Lagos city, but it is part of Greater Lagos urban area or metropolitan area. Educate yourself before you come online to disgrace yourself.

Look at the topic of the thread, it is city/urban areas. Urban/metropolitan areas are a connurbation of towns & cities which are connected socially, economically and infrastructurally... They are not divided by even national boundaries let alone state or district boundaries.

Pick up a book and read. I repeat Pick up a book and read.

Suleja & Karu developed to the way they did because of Abuja. Majority of people in these places have their lives connected to Abuja.

You are mistaking Abuja to mean Abuja municipal only.... That is very wrong, ignorant and myopic.

That is just like saying Onitsha should be Onitsha only without Nkpor & Obosi or Jos should be without Bukuru, or Warri should be Warri south alone, without Uvwie & Udu or PH should be without Choba, Oyigbo & Ogoni.


Go and learn to understand what an Urban or metropolitan area is abeg.

Agboriotejoye:

The guy's problem is oversabi. How can you carry an American system of defining boundaries to Nigeria. America have mayors and the cities with homogenous groups which are more or less like states with their own autonomy.
You now compare to Nigeria that uses LGAs and recognises towns as separate units from cities with tribes and races. Suleja has an emir. He'll rather die than hear he is now a part of Abuja because Abuja belongs to gbagyi
He should have found out how cities and urban settlements are mapped in Nigeria.
But he has an ulterior motive based on his previous thread which was to prove that northern cities are bigger than southern ones. Same guy is now accusing someone of tribalism.
All he did is academic in the real sense and to all intents and purposes have no bearing in those areas he crafted.

Nowenuse, sorry your attempt has failed. Try next time

rollingrocks:


Op, please can we see the calabar maps? Thanks

myobjective:


Ibadan beat Kano in the following area.
1. Industries
2. Institution
3. Residential
4. City planning.

Kano is actually a bit better in infrastructure though.

spendoon:

Fat lie
Industries compere ibadan to kaduna not kano
City planning, well ibadan was intially planned but it dint work while on the other hand kano is an accent city but is still doing better than ibadan

Agboriotejoye:

You can't even start to compare Abuja, Kano, Kaduna to Ibadan in terms of urban size. Some places in gwarimpa are villages same with bwari. Even some areas in dutse alhaji are glorified villages. Dude is ignorant

myobjective:


That is why I always differentiate between the Muslim and the Christian North. The Christian northerners are very progressive people you will even differentiate them from average southerners even here in the north.

The core north actually enjoyed the military patronage than any group in Nigeria but due to lack of capacity, they actually squandered most of the wealth. Reasons why some of their towns still have most of the infrastructure built during the military era.

Do you know that Suleja town actually has a running pipe born water as early as the year 2000? GRA like Suleiman Barrau way has federal gov't built estate that occupies a 1/4 of the actual city before the explosion in population. I reside in this area between 1993 to the year 2001, between this time electricity was constant, pipe-borne water was 24hours and the area was serene but if you go back to this area it is now a shadow of itself.

If the military government was actually fair to southerners and as they invested in the north, there wouldn't be any room for comparison between the south and the north, the later would be so far far ahead of he later in any form of development.

Iamgrey5:
Ibadan is an accident city just like Kano.

And on industry, Compare Kaduna to Ogun not ibadan.


Kaduna is close to Abj, just as Ogun is close to Lagos.

Agboriotejoye:


Bros na you get time dey mind these guys. Imagine claiming Kano is more developed than Ibadan or Onitsha. It's just stunning.

spendoon:

Kano beats onitsha in all aspects, if you doubt I will prove to you

spendoon:

Kano beats onitsha in all aspects, if you doubt I will prove to you

Agboriotejoye:

Prove it

Armaggedon:
Name at least three aspects.

Alexanity:

Wetin be okeja, abeg keep it at Lagos, Lagos is a city, a state, an economy on it's just like London or New York. Ikeja just much like a small quarter, ikeja by itself does not qualify as a city,

spendoon:

Please tell me the aspects in which ibadan beats kaduna and kano and FYI Abuja is completed yet it has four phase and only the first phase has been finished but its starting to look better than Lagos

Nowenuse:


Your ignorance is overwhelming... I am only replying you here as regards you talking about Abuja being for Gbagyi... Yes Gbagyis are the majority in Abuja, but they are also the majority in Niger east where Suleja is under.
So you can see that you have no point?

All the villages under Suleja LGA and Niger east senatorial district at large belong to Gbagyis and her sister Kadara, Kamuku and Koro tribes.

Hausas are settlers in Suleja town as well as the entire Niger state.

Nowenuse:




What exactly are you guys arguing?

Parts of Suleja & Karu are in Nasarawa & Niger states, does that stop these places from being part of Abuja urban area?

Agbara, Sango Ota, Ibafo e.t.c, are all these places not located in Ogun state? Does it stop them from being part of greater Lagos Urban area?

spendoon:

Infastructure, commerce, gdp