myobjective:


People in Suleja actually believe they are in Abuja. Taking a bus to the city centre, no one says he is going to Abuja, they will only tell you that they are going to Begger, Wuse, Kubwa express, AYA etc.

Lol. Of course! Thank you. People in Karu don't say they are going to Abuja either, they can only say they are going inside town.

Besides, I have even seen cases where people in the satellite towns say they are going to the main towns. Like in Jos, people in Bukuru may say they are going 'inside Jos' or in Warri, people in Uvwie & Udu may say they are going to Warri (although the case of Warri is strongly influenced by Tribalism).

In Yola, people in Jimeta say they are going to Yola because Yola is the old town while Jimeta is the new town....

All these things sometimes are just names & nomenclatures that come about by political, traditional and sometimes tribal divisions. .... However, as long as towns & cities are joined together socially and economically, they are considered one single Urban/Metro area.


Ask people like Agboriotejoye that are arguing, what if the FG decides to take the whole of Karu & Suleja into FCT's jurisdiction to manage as it has been proposed, will they now then become part of Abuja urban area to him? Then if Abaji is adjusted to join Kogi state, then it ceases to be part of Abuja? Or if Kotonkarfe is adjusted to join FCT, then it now becomes part of Abuja?

What a comic relief

Nowenuse:


Thank you very much.

Abaji has no business with Abuja, it is on the boundary with Kogi state and a stonethrow away from Koton Karfe villages... Abaji was in old Kwara state, they were just carved into FCT to make it bigger.

The social and economic life of Abaji has no business with Abuja... It is impossible to stay in Abaji and work or own a business in Abuja municipal.

Suleja & Karu are the major heartbeats and social centres of Abuja urban where the majority of people who work or own businesses in Abuja reside.... Gwagwalada is even too far, it is just hustling and bustling because of the University, not really because of people who are economically connected to Abuja municipal.

The problem with Agboriotejoye is that he is limiting his understanding to political boundaries which is very very wrong.

He is limiting the definition of Abuja to Abuja Municipal, while at the same time equating the definition of Abuja to FCT.... He is just very confused because of his ignorance.... Instead of him to learn he is arguing.

In ur op, you added bwari, karu, gwagwalada to Abuja. Why didn't you just refer to all those places as fct. I'm simply following your definition.
Do you know where bwari and kuje are? When people say Abuja, it is loosely used to refer to the fct as a whole. Nobody in bwari will say I'm in bwari but not in Abuja. But nobody will say I'm in Abuja whereas he's in suleja. Suleja is to all intents and purposes different from Abuja. Quote me anywhere. I'm telling you dis as someone who moves round those areas well. It's just like Lagos. Someone in Ikeja and another in ketu are in Lagos. But nobody will be in Mowe and say he's in Lagos.

Like I told you, if you decide to come up with ur own definition to add suleja to Abuja, it's ur wahala. But when Abuja/FCT was being created, suleja was not part of it.

Nowenuse:



You people are the Ignorant one here oga...

Madalla/Zuba are in FCT, but Suleja is in Niger state.... Madalla/Zuba and Suleja are one urban area, you cannot separate one from the other..... Same way Mararaba-Nyanya has some parts in FCT and others in Nasarawa state.

FCT is not a state, it is just a small area carved out from present day Nasarawa, Niger & Kogi states to serve as FCT.


Get this and stop embarrassing yourselves... Urban and metropolitan areas are not measured based on states... Rather they are measured on how development spreads and how connected these suburbs are socially, economically and infrastructurally.

For example, Kaduna city is divided by a river and that river is to be the boundary for the creation of Gurara state (for Southern Kaduna people)... If this is achieved, does it now make Kaduna city 2 entirely different cities?

FCT just a small land area?? lol joker. FCT is about the same size of Enugu state and it's even more bigger than, Lagos, Anambra, IMO, Abia

suleja is in Niger state simple as that. just that it's proximity to Abuja FCT makes it develop faster, just like New karu in Nasarawa state

This might just be for academic purpose. Onitsha is 2nd to Lagos in terms of population density and also wonder how Owerri is placed above Onitsha n Enugu

Nowenuse:


Lol. Of course! Thank you. People in Karu don't say they are going to Abuja either, they can only say they are going inside town.

Besides, I have even seen cases where people in the satellite towns say they are going to the main towns. Like in Jos, people in Bukuru may say they are going 'inside Jos' or in Warri, people in Uvwie & Udu may say they are going to Warri (although the case of Warri is strongly influenced by Tribalism).

In Yola, people in Jimeta say they are going to Yola because Yola is the old town while Jimeta is the new town....

All these things sometimes are just names & nomenclatures that come about by political, traditional and sometimes tribal divisions. .... However, as long as towns & cities are joined together socially and economically, they are considered one single Urban/Metro area.


[b]Ask people like Agboriotejoye that are arguing, what if the FG decides to take the whole of Karu & Suleja into FCT's jurisdiction to manage as it has been proposed, will they now then become part of Abuja urban area to him? Then if Abaji is adjusted to join Kogi state, then it ceases to be part of Abuja? Or if Kotonkarfe is adjusted to join FCT, then it now becomes part of Abuja?[/b]j



What a comic relief

This is still what I'm talking about. FG can't just take. Land belongs to the states in Nigeria. Abuja/FCT has its own boundary and suleja is not part of it neither is karu. Abaji is part of Abuja just like places after ogere remo are part of Ibadan.

Agboriotejoye:


In ur op, you added bwari, karu, gwagwalada to Abuja. Why didn't you just refer to all those places as fct. I'm simply following your definition.
Do you know where bwari and kuje are? When people say Abuja, it is loosely used to refer to the fct as a whole. Nobody in bwari will say I'm in bwari but not in Abuja. But nobody will say I'm in Abuja whereas he's in suleja. Suleja is to all intents and purposes different from Abuja. Quote me anywhere. I'm telling you dis as someone who moves round those areas well. It's just like Lagos. Someone in Ikeja and another in ketu are in Lagos. But nobody will be in Mowe and say he's in Lagos.

Like I told you, if you decide to come up with ur own definition to add suleja to Abuja, it's ur wahala. But when Abuja/FCT was being created, suleja was not part of it.

What about someone in Isheri Opic and Arepo can such an individual says he is in Lagos?

Grgton:
FCT just a small land area?? lol joker. FCT is about the same size of Enugu state and it's even more bigger than, Lagos, Anambra, IMO, Abia

suleja is in Niger state simple as that. just that it's proximity to Abuja FCT makes it develop faster, just like New karu in Nasarawa state

Thank you o.

myobjective:


What about someone in Isheri Opic and Arepo can such an individual says he is in Lagos?

Nope. To all intents and purposes, they are in Ogun state. Those places are different from Lagos.

Agboriotejoye:


Thank you o.

seriouslyi don't know why people like quoting to type nonsense. Suleja is even far from Abuja.

Agboriotejoye:

Nope. To all intents and purposes, they are in Ogun state. Those places are different from Lagos.

What is the difference between these areas and say Ojodu Begger when they are at a trackable distance and even channels Tv has one of the Lagos Office there?

Grgton:
seriouslyi don't know why people like quoting to type nonsense. Suleja is even far from Abuja.

Check the map Suleja is actually at the boundary line of Abuja. Zuma rock is the boundary between Niger state and Abuja. Places like Zuba and mandala are traditionally Suleja.

Upworkwriter007:

Lol.....the only part of ibadan with brown roofs is the mapo/beere/kudeti axis of ibadan. those areas are as big as a city, so i understand the perception that that's ibadan... that 80% of ibadan is congested? i won't even say 5% of Ibadan is congested. That brown roof area is the village of ibadan, where the indigenes come from. mafo

m not talking about brown roof.. what m saying is, why do Nigerians cities do not have Downtown.. all we celebrate are just congested Town with no urban planning effect. even Kenya construct downtowns in most of their cities

myobjective:


Check the map Suleja is actually at the boundary line of Abuja. Zuma rock is the boundary between Niger state and Abuja. Places like Zuba and mandala are traditionally Suleja.

Oga it' has a boundary line with FCT, I repeat FCT not Abuja

nawa oo. let say suleja is the boundary between FCT and Niger state... Abuja is entirely a different Area. they do not connect

myobjective:


Check the map Suleja is actually at the boundary line of Abuja. Zuma rock is the boundary between Niger state and Abuja. Places like Zuba and mandala are traditionally Suleja.

Google Map says mandalla is a town close to Abuja the capital of Nigeria. it didn't say it's s Town in Abuja Nigeria..

Suleja is a local government in Niger state, I guess that's where mandalla falls in. they ain't Abuja nor FCT

myobjective:


What is the difference between these areas and say Ojodu Begger when they are at a trackable distance and even channels Tv has one of the Lagos Office there?

The difference is that one is part of Lagos and the other is not. Ask channels were they pay the tax for their office at opic to.

myobjective:


Check the map Suleja is actually at the boundary line of Abuja. Zuma rock is the boundary between Niger state and Abuja. Places like Zuba and mandala are traditionally Suleja.

Good. Tell ur friend who has added madalla and zuba to Abuja

Grgton:
Google Map says mandalla is a town close to Abuja the capital of Nigeria. it didn't say it's s Town in Abuja Nigeria..

Suleja is a local government in Niger state, I guess that's where mandalla falls in. they ain't Abuja nor FCT

The guy's problem is oversabi. How can you carry an American system of defining boundaries to Nigeria. America have mayors and the cities with homogenous groups which are more or less like states with their own autonomy.
You now compare to Nigeria that uses LGAs and recognises towns as separate units from cities with tribes and races. Suleja has an emir. He'll rather die than hear he is now a part of Abuja because Abuja belongs to gbagyi
He should have found out how cities and urban settlements are mapped in Nigeria.
But he has an ulterior motive based on his previous thread which was to prove that northern cities are bigger than southern ones. Same guy is now accusing someone of tribalism.
All he did is academic in the real sense and to all intents and purposes have no bearing in those areas he crafted.

Nowenuse, sorry your attempt has failed. Try next time

Nowenuse:


You see, you Igbos always have a victim mentality even when the situation does not warrant it and believe you me, this kind of mentality never helps anyone.

These measurements were carried out by a friend of mine who lives in Germany, you can see that the language of measurement is in German. And to burst your bubble, he is an Igbo man! Yes you heard me right.

A Yoruba person enlightened me on how 1 or 2 suburbs of Ibadan were left out in the measurement, but he did not go all out sentimental as you are now doing. ...

In this measurement, this Igbo friend of mine did not include Mararaban Jos (a suburb of Kaduna) to his measurement. Ibafo was not included in the Lagos measurement. Same with parts of Abuja ... That was why I have a disclaimer above.

If Umudike is added to Umuahia, will it make Umuahia up to 200km²? One or 2 suburbs cannot be more than 10km².

It seems you still want to claim you are right when you are wrong. Why leaving places you need to capture and now you are trying to justify the work on who or who did the work.

This is one problem with Nigeria and you Nigerians. You can never do anything right , down playing others but still want to look right.

Ilorin is about 6th in land mass.

Nowenuse:


Lol. Of course! Thank you. People in Karu don't say they are going to Abuja either, they can only say they are going inside town.

Besides, I have even seen cases where people in the satellite towns say they are going to the main towns. Like in Jos, people in Bukuru may say they are going 'inside Jos' or in Warri, people in Uvwie & Udu may say they are going to Warri (although the case of Warri is strongly influenced by Tribalism).

In Yola, people in Jimeta say they are going to Yola because Yola is the old town while Jimeta is the new town....

All these things sometimes are just names & nomenclatures that come about by political, traditional and sometimes tribal divisions. .... However, as long as towns & cities are joined together socially and economically, they are considered one single Urban/Metro area.


Ask people like Agboriotejoye that are arguing, what if the FG decides to take the whole of Karu & Suleja into FCT's jurisdiction to manage as it has been proposed, will they now then become part of Abuja urban area to him? Then if Abaji is adjusted to join Kogi state, then it ceases to be part of Abuja? Or if Kotonkarfe is adjusted to join FCT, then it now becomes part of Abuja?

What a comic relief

Op, please can we see the calabar maps? Thanks

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Agboriotejoye:

The guy's problem is oversabi. How can you carry an American system of defining boundaries to Nigeria. America have mayors and the cities with homogenous groups which are more or less like states with their own autonomy.
You now compare to Nigeria that uses LGAs and recognises towns as separate units from cities with tribes and races. Suleja has an emir. He'll rather die than hear he is now a part of Abuja because Abuja belongs to gbagyi
He should have found out how cities and urban settlements are mapped in Nigeria.
But he has an ulterior motive based on his previous thread which was to prove that northern cities are bigger than southern ones. Same guy is now accusing someone of tribalism.
All he did is academic in the real sense and to all intents and purposes have no bearing in those areas he crafted.

Nowenuse, sorry your attempt has failed. Try next time

Thank you

myobjective:


Okay bro, we all learn everyday.

In terms of waterworks, I don't know how many Kano has but Ibadan has three serving it. Eleyele, Mokola and Asejire

In terms of bridges, Ibadan has a lot I can't begin to count, should be about ten or so if i'm correct. You can furnish me with that of Kano

Stadia that I know of, Ibadan has two main stadia, Liberty( Obafemi Awolowo) and Adamasingba while Kano has only Sani Abacha stadium. Of course, Liberty beats Sani Abacha hands down.

Ibadan has two golf course that I know of.

And for canals, don't go there. Ogunpa canal alone which was built after the biggest flooding a Nigerian city has ever witnessed in 1981 is bigger than the combined canal in Kano not to talk of others.

Nowenuse:


No pls... Warri & Benin comparison can never be misplaced because Warri now cuts across 5 LGAs while Benin cuts across only 4 to the best of my knowledge!

Benin is Oredo & Egor LGAs mostly, then parts of Ovia SW & Ikpoba-Okha LGAs.
Ugbowo & Oluku areas in Ovia southwest and Aduwawa, Ogbeson, Ikhueniro & Enyaen in Ikpobha.

Warri on the other hand has Warri south, Uvwie & Udu LGAs heavily urbanized with many towns in each of them.
Then you have about 6 towns in Okpe & Ughelli south LGAs e.g Osubi, Okuokoko, Agbarho, Otokutu, Jeddo and one other I have forgotten.

Almost all my life has been in both cities, so if you want to argue this area, just forget it....

Warri will be as big as Benin if the swampy areas within the city are included... In the whole of Warri south & Uvwie LGAs there is no empty land area again to develop apart from Swamps. This is why all the development and new houses are now towards Udu & Ughelli south LGAs.

I wont argue with you on warri and benin,am not familiar with those cities.ill concern myself with calabar and uyo.when both cross river and akwa ibom were in one state,calabar was the capital.it is an ancient city like kano,ibadan,zaria etc unlike uyo that is relatively new...

If you look at wikipedia,the total land area of uyo is 362km and they included uruan,ibesikpo and itu but they gave calabar land area as 410km.they didnt include akpabuyo or odukpani.

Nowenuse:





You guys are just being very economical with the truth of Ibadan. .... Nobody is denying the fact that Ibadan has good, modern and nice places.

The point is that the dusty, rusty and congested areas are the overwhelming majority.

After all the noise you guys are making here I just typed Ibadan is Google maps and viewed it very well and the modern areas without brown roofs were just like 25%... The areas I immediately zoomed into and moved around were all brown and here are the screenshots I took of entirely different neighbourhoods. Shuo!

These are pictures i took from Dala Hills. I couldn't find the one i took from Goron dutse hill. If am to go buy your logic then areas without brown roof in kano is just 13%..

senatordave1:

My brother,google maps can also make mistakes actually its human creation.uyo cannot be bigger than calabar,even people from akwa ibom will not agree with you.or is asaba bigger than warri?

Warri and benin comparison is misplaced because warri is mainly three lgas plus udu and uvwie but in terms of urbanization it is mainly warri south lga and uvwie but for beginning city it cuts across about 6 or more lgas and is rapidly expanding just like onitsha,ibadan and ph. the expansion or urbanization of warri is slow and stunted due to many factors.

I disagree bro, while Warri isn't where she's supposed to be, the city Urbanization isn't slow, A greater part of Okpe is now developed, places like Jeddo, Osubi, Ughoton are fast becoming a city, so development cuts across 4 LGA's.

Most of our cities are overrated thou.

myobjective:


I am a civil engineer and I have actually visited both city to work on building project. I used to have this believe until I actually visit Ibadan to handle a building project. During the course of the project, I actually traveled around and I was amazed by the level of development of the city.

The edge the south normally has over the north is presence of more middle class. These middle class are the people responsible for most of these modern districts in the south, reasons why southern states capital normally have more modern districts than their northern counterpart. For example, a city like Minna has wonderful road, canal and drainage in the city but the built up areas are abysmally poor compare to a city like Awka that may not such infrastructure. Minna infrastructure were largely built by the Babangida gov't but due to the level of poverty of inhabitant the city is not so good.

You are very very correct with this assertion.

The core north or Muslim north has a big problem with middle-class population and this is largely due to illiteracy and nothing else.

I also saw this disappointment in Minna when I went there.... Any place that is northern muslim dominated is always like that. They are a very backward and retrogressive people.

senatordave1:

I think same can be seen in kaduna with urbanization expanding to parts of chikun and igabi lgas

Kind of, but the situation in Kaduna was somehow fraudulent.

Sabo (the biggest suburb south of the Kaduna river) was actually part of old Kaduna city LGA but during the division of Kaduna LGA into Kaduna north & South LGAs, Sabo was taken to Chikun LGA... This was done to deliberately weaken the population of Christians in Kaduna north & south LGAs.

Muslim dominated areas in the north of Kaduna river were added to Kaduna south LGA... It was just purely manipulated.