RightChannel:
Thank you too, the guy is confused saying I am still you

He once said I am the same advocate.jare

RoyalDiadems:


Let me explain it to you.

It actually takes divine revelation to grasp spiritual truths. Logic cannot do it.

Take a man for example. He has a spirit, soul and body, and all three are still man.

Take an egg for example, it has 3 different entities - The shell, the white part and the yolk. Yet all three are called egg. When separated, they could assume different names but the three together are called Egg.

Also look at yourself. I don't know your name but let me call you Bruno.

As Bruno, you will see some people calling you son. Others call you daddy, there are those who call you uncle and of course your wife calls you husband. Yet you're the same Bruno. Not many Brunos. Just one Bruno manifested in different dimensions.

That's the concept of the Godhead. God is a Spirit Being manifested in human form as Jesus and operates in the world as Holy Spirit. The very self same person.

All this your logic will fail now.

Man was created by God breathing in to a body made from earth. God gave the body spirit. Spirit is same as Soul.
If you think this is false bring where God created soul for Adam.

Egg has three parts as you mentioned. The three parts have different functions and you can't call each part a egg on its own unlike you having three Gods in one.

All analogy for the godhead will fail. What remains is to just believe it by faith!

mhmsadyq:


Why can't christians make their point with insults and curses?

Anyways,

O tie le;

John 3:16

Arabic(i) 16 لانه هكذا احب الله العالم حتى بذل ابنه الوحيد لكي لا يهلك كل من يؤمن به بل تكون له الحياة الابدية.
KJV(i) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The bolded is Allah the pagan God in the bible verse.


Now,
Identify jehovah,the christian god in the bible verse above.

The question says reference your claim that Jehovah's name was replaced by Allah?

I am expecting to see the Arabic translation for the English word Jehovah but it seems google has disappointed you

RightChannel:


The question says reference your claim that Jehovah's name was replaced by Allah?

I am expecting to see the Arabic translation for the English word Jehovah but it seems google has disappointed you

WOW!
I can't be distracted, sir.

I think your bible has failed you that it uses Allah for the christian god.

Trinity:

Allāh al-Ab—God, the Father
Allāh al-Ibn—God the Son
Allāh al-Ruh al koudous—God the Holy Spirit

More failures!

Hope you would deal with it moving forward.


Well, i believe those following the thread should be the judge.

I have done my bit.

mhmsadyq:


WOW!
I can't be distracted, sir.

I think your bible has failed you that it uses Allah for the christian god.

Trinity:

Allāh al-Ab—God, the Father
Allāh al-Ibn—God the Son
Allāh al-Ruh al koudous—God the Holy Spirit

More failures!

Hope you would deal with it moving forward.


Well, i believe those following the thread should be the judge.

I have done my bit.

what class are you? You need English teacher

Here is the Question once again

RightChannel:



★ Reference your claim that Jehovah's name was replaced by allah.

★ Do you serve the same God with Arab Christians? If Yes, show me where Arab Christians are half naked cycling the shrine called kabba, worshipping, kissing the stone called Kaaba

Arabic text that you have written above, Where is "yhuh" ( يهوه ) the Arabic translation of Jehovah that was used to replaced Jehovah therein?

You are allowed to make google your intimate friend since allah is not revealing that to you


The second question is still very hot, is like allah want to put you to shame this night

RightChannel:


what class are you? You need English teacher

Here is the Question once again



Arabic text that you have written above, Where is "yhuh" ( يهوه ) the Arabic translation of Jehovah that was used to replaced Jehovah therein?

You are allowed to make google your intimate friend since allah is not revealing that to you


The second question is still very hot, is like allah want to put you to shame this night

You can continue deceiving yourself with "English teacher" of a thing, but


1. You haven't shown us the name jehovah or yhuh in the arabic bible.

2. I have copiously shown you Allah as the name/title of the christian god from the bible.

3. You haven't told us who mandated Allah to be the unique name of god in arabic, despite christianity was about 5 hundred years before Islam.


These are the question begging for answers from you!

Pls. Don't mention me if you want to continue parambulating.

RightChannel:


I hate repeating same thing, do you need English teacher to explain this to you?

Exodus 3:15

And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.




You keep saying the same thing and to reference your claim that Jews never called God as Jehovah is the problem..

Well, this is according to King David, is King David an Arab King?


Psalm 83:18

That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most bhigh over all the earth.

Oga Jehovah was not mentioned in that Verse.

It is just like saying Right channel is the same name as Vriks khanolz even if you write this name down for Waec exam or use am open bank account Dem no go accept am..

RightChannel:


God himself revealed this name to Moses in

Exodus 3:15

And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

I never said God didn't revealed a name to Moses but Jehovah is certainly not the name? Even Jews themselves don't know...

RightChannel:

Reference your claim, stop listening to the ignorant words coming out from the mouth of your imams


Can you qoute a verse on this from Torah

Funny you so you are expecting to see a verse on this in the Torah smh... Is changing the name of God part of a scripture.

If you want to know history from Jews themselves the internet is your friend make your research.

I repeat the vowels inserted into Jehova were extracted from the word Adonai.. kindly check Google...

RightChannel:


Yahweh is based on the consonants YHWH, which is one of the names for God.
Yahweh comes from the Hebrew word for “I am.” When God met Moses at the burning bush and commanded him to go back to Egypt and lead the people out, Moses asked who he should say has sent him.

Jehovah is the same name based on the Latin equivalents of the Hebrew letters: JHVH. Jehovah became the English translation of the Latin form of the Hebrew name.

If you opportuned to read the short above statements, it will help your ignoramus life and confusion

First of all Consonant Y and W from the word YHWH was change to J and V respectively to give JHVH.

Them later still add vowels from the word Adonai to complete am. Wahala no come too much.

If you are confused about this please research about it google is there Jehovah was inserted in the bible around 15th century so don't expect it to be in the Torah...

RightChannel:


I've explain this above, stop listening to your imams, they are also ignorant like you

This is about common sense Jehovah was not the name God gave to Moses

RightChannel:

Jehovah and Yahweh are unique names of God, also Christ is the unique name of Jesus Christ even quran affirmed this. Allah on the other hand is the unique name of islamic god which muhammad derived from his pagan father. Your islamic god Allah shared the same name with an idol in Pre-islamic period.

In your dreams which deity has this attributes or can be invoked by best names

Allah SWT said:

"And to Allah belong the best names, so invoke Him by them. And leave [the company of] those who practice deviation concerning His names. They will be recompensed for what they have been doing."
(QS. Al-A'raaf 7: Verse 180)

RightChannel:

NO idol, living or non-living thing ever shared these names JEHOVAH and YAHWEH with God of Moses, Jacob, Abraham and Issac likewise no one ever share CHRIST with Jesus Christ. With all these evidences, Allah your Islamic god is an idol

No idol can be invoked with all the best names in the world

Allah SWT said:

"And to Allah belong the best names, so invoke Him by them. And leave [the company of] those who practice deviation concerning His names. They will be recompensed for what they have been doing."
(QS. Al-A'raaf 7: Verse 180)

RightChannel:

Who is that Eli if not Jehovah God, or is Eli the same Islamic god?

Are you asking me Jesus never specify he only said Eli so don't specify for him atleast he didn't mention Jehovah whichever God that is Eli/Allah will respond gods that are not Eli/Allah will not respond to this.

Ken4Christ:
Speaklove


I rejoice with you. There are many similar testimonies. The only difference with yours is that you were not persecuted or threatened with death like others unless there was no space to share that side of the story.

Yeah !
There are different set of people who would dare to deal with you if you chose to leave their religion .
Some would threaten to seize one or two things from you .
Some would cut off friendship with you .
Some would deny you jobs ,and other KO DS of benefits .
Some would threaten to kill you
Some would be to banish you from their midst .
I think I have face persecution it's just about the kinds of people around me and what they chose to do .

And it hasn't ended yet ,only God knows what I might face in the future .

But believers can help with their prayers for such people like myself .

Thank you for noticing that .

Speaklove:


You have asked a good question but the answer can not be gotten by merely exercising your intellect (though that's part of it ) but the truth can only be revealed or let's say "UNVEILED "

so the nest step you have to take is to seek for revelation .

God says in his word
Jeremiah 33:3
[3]‘Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.’

You see !

You have to humble yourself and take this step : go stand in your secret place and lift up your heart to heaven ,and then say

"I am a man who desires to know the truth.
God if you truly exist then please reveal yourself to me in a way a can understand .

Please whoever you are I desire to follow you and to walk with you in truth and in spirit .

I Do not gurantee you to get a quick reply or answer, but trust me God will reveal himself to you after he has seen the sincerity and determination of your heart .

I have heard of people who took this path and got the answers they were looking for .

I myself have ask a thing from God one night before sleeping and he showed me what I ask that same night in a dream .

But each ones experience might differ ,according to how God pleases to do .

Having said that .
Put this scriptures at the back of your heart

Matthew 11:27
[27]All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

Jeremiah 29:11-13
[11]For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.
[12]Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you.
[13]And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart.

LoLz! Look up placebo effect. There is little difference between that and what you are describing here.

As far as I am concerned there is no other way to get to truth than with my intellect. On the other hand your post can be summed up as don't use the brain my god gave you, be credulous instead and believe. Which still doesn't answer the question of how we can get to truth since this suspension of your reasoning can be applied to anything. Do you realise that in other to enjoy a movie you need to be credulous for the duration of the movie? Does that make the movie script truth?

AntiChristian:


All this your logic will fail now.

Man was created by God breathing in to a body made from earth. God gave the body spirit. Spirit is same as Soul.
If you think this is false bring where God created soul for Adam.

Egg has three parts as you mentioned. The three parts have different functions and you can't call each part a egg on its own unlike you having three Gods in one.

All analogy for the godhead will fail. What remains is to just believe it by faith!

The Godhead is a spiritual phenomenon. There's no human language, logic or experience that can fully capture it because the essence of it is far removed beyond the capacity of human beings to comprehend.

The egg concept is insufficient to fully explain the Godhead, but it informed man that three things in one make an egg. That's the foundation. And, you know, I was talking to a Muslim.

The Bible talks about the Spirit, Soul and Body. The Soul is different from the spirit. While the body houses the spirit on earth; the soul alllows communication between spirit and body.

The soul is often referred to as the mind. There's a spiritual mind as well as a canal mind. Both body and spirit receive communication from the mind. It is the mind that dictates our action and forms the state of our spirit man.

Romans 12:1 told us to avoid being confirmed to this world but to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. That's the compartment of the soul.

You would then understand the scriptures:

1 Thessalonians 5:23

May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:45:

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Ezekiel 18:20:

The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The body is the only thing that belongs to the earth. The Spirit and the soul continue to be alive after death.

RoyalDiadems:


The Godhead is a spiritual phenomenon. There's no human language, logic or experience that can fully capture it because the essence of it is far removed beyond the capacity of human beings to comprehend.

The egg concept is insufficient to fully explain the Godhead, but it informed man that three things in one make an egg. That's the foundation. And, you know, I was talking to a Muslim.

The Bible talks about the Spirit, Soul and Body. The Soul is different from the spirit. While the body houses the spirit on earth; the soul alllows communication between spirit and body.

The soul is often referred to as the mind. There's a spiritual mind as well as a canal mind. Both body and spirit receive communication from the mind. It is the mind that dictates our action and forms the state of our spirit man.

Romans 12:1 told us to avoid being confirmed to this world but to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. That's the compartment of the soul.

You would then understand the scriptures:

1 Thessalonians 5:23

May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:45:

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Ezekiel 18:20:

The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The body is the only thing that belongs to the earth. The Spirit and the soul continue to be alive after death.

How was the first Adam made a living soul? Earth plus spirit/soul.

Jesus too was spirit/Soul sent into the Mary.

What did Jesus himself say about spirit, soul?

Everything still comes to spirit is same as Soul.

The soul/ spirit that sins shall die.

AntiChristian:


How was the first Adam made a living soul? Earth plus spirit/soul.

Jesus too was spirit/Soul sent into the Mary.

What did Jesus himself say about spirit, soul?

Everything still comes to spirit is same as Soul.

The soul/ spirit that sins shall die.

They're different but they're together. The spirit is responsible for life. The soul is responsible for Wills and desires. The will of man and all that he does are fed into his spirit and body by the soul.

Now, Jesus didn't explicitly describe the soul but in the parable of the foolish rich man who laid up treasures for himself to enjoy, and began to boast of how he would start enjoying life:

"But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?" Like 12:20.

When a man dies, his soul and spirit depart the earth. His spirit retains the ability to desire and even to rebel after death, because he has a soul. What the mind is to the body is what the soul is to the spirit.

The warning God gave to Adam in Genesis 1, "The day thou eateth thereof, thou shalt die." Is talking about the separation of the spirit from God. The inability of the soul to continue having spiritual experiences with God is spiritual death.

The devil in the occult realm utilizes the soul of man to give him demonic experiences. The Spirit comes before the soul because it's the only one that can relate with God. Meanwhile, Satan tries to surpress the spirit while elevating the soul to give man a relationship with darkness. In the occult, the emphasis is the soul, but in the kingdom of God, the emphasis is the spirit.

The soul is called the spiritual mind. The spirit is called the spirit man.

LordReed:


LoLz! Look up placebo effect. There is little difference between that and what you are describing here.

As far as I am concerned there is no other way to get to truth than with my intellect. On the other hand your post can be summed up as don't use the brain my god gave you, be credulous instead and believe. Which still doesn't answer the question of how we can get to truth since this suspension of your reasoning can be applied to anything. Do you realise that in other to enjoy a movie you need to be credulous for the duration of the movie? Does that make the movie script truth?

No!
I think you misquoted me sir .

This is (part of )what I wrote below

"You have asked a good question but the answer can not be gotten by merely exercising your intellect (though that's part of it ) but the truth can only be revealed or let's say "UNVEILED "

You see ! I said
" can not be gotten by merely exercising your intellect (though that's part of it )"

In fact the bible says in
Hebrews 5:13-14
[13]For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.

[14]But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

It commends those who exercise their senses to discern both good and evil .

So what am I trying to say ?
What I meant to say is
"though it is important to exercise your senses to discern the things of God or concerning God yet your senses are limited and lacks the full capacity to decipher the things of God because they are spiritual ."

as it is written
1 Corinthians 2:14
[14]But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It says
" the things of God's spirit are to be spiritual discern even though you have the faculty for discernment which is your mind and intellect but yet you still need to open your mind for inspiration and yield your intellect for reasoning and your heart for meditation through the spirit of God ."

simply put:
allow the spirit of god to gain acces into your heart and let him teach you and inspire you with thoughts and imaginations that can not be created by the carnal capability of your mind unless that of the holy spirit .

In other words:
recieve Spiritual inspirations from the holy spirit then exercise your intellect to read in between and also ecercise your faculty of discernment to know what it means ,to gain understanding and to separate what is truth from what is falsehood.

Speaklove:


No!
I think you misquoted me sir .

This is (part of )what I wrote below

"You have asked a good question but the answer can not be gotten by merely exercising your intellect (though that's part of it ) but the truth can only be revealed or let's say "UNVEILED "

You see ! I said
" can not be gotten by merely exercising your intellect (though that's part of it )"

In fact the bible says in
Hebrews 5:13-14
[13]For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.

[14]But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

It commends those who exercise their senses to discern both good and evil .

So what am I trying to say ?
What I meant to say is
"though it is important to exercise your senses to discern the things of God or concerning God yet your senses are limited and lacks the full capacity to decipher the things of God because they are spiritual ."

as it is written
1 Corinthians 2:14
[14]But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It says
" the things of God's spirit are to be spiritual discern even though you have the faculty for discernment which is your mind and intellect but yet you still need to open your mind for inspiration and yield your intellect for reasoning and your heart for meditation through the spirit of God ."

simply put:
allow the spirit of god to gain acces into your heart and let him teach you and inspire you with thoughts and imaginations that can not be created by the carnal capability of your mind unless that of the holy spirit .

In other words:
recieve Spiritual inspirations from the holy spirit then exercise your intellect to read in between and also ecercise your faculty of discernment to know what it means ,to gain understanding and to separate what is truth from what is falsehood.

You didn't really dispel what I wrote, you are still saying one should be credulous. That is not a recipe for obtaining truth.

AntiChristian:


If you were really sure of your case you would have presented it since you now have the holy spirit in Christianity. I don't know why you keep asking me questions back and forth while you can't explain just "Elohim" i discussed perviously.

The preislamic Arabs worship many gods. Yet, they still believe in Allah as the supreme God who isn't represented by any idol. They believed the gods would get them closer to Allah or intercede for them with Allah!

So they have over 300 gods which they worship.

Allah is still the name of God in Arabic.

If you have any other result bring it forward and i would simply thrash you delusions.

Just don't tell lies. Confirm whatever you want to post cos it will be a shame if a Holy spirit filled convert tell lies.

You said

AntiChristian:

The preislamic Arabs worship many gods. Yet, they still believe in Allah as the supreme God who isn't represented by any idol. They believed the gods would get them closer to Allah or intercede for them with Allah!.

"The pre-Islamic Arabs worship many gods
(in other words "idols " )
Yet they still believe in Allah as the supreme God "

Meaning the Arabians who lived in Saudi then before the prophet of Islam was ever born knew Allah but there was no Islam in Saudi then.

So the question is
How does these pee-Islamic Arabs knew Allah even before the prophet was born and even (according to your statement ) believe in Allah as the supreme God and yet the word "ALLAH" is the name of the Islamic God and that name was not adopted ?

The prophet father bears the name "abdullah "
Meaning " slave of Allah " yet he was never a Muslim and still you would claim the name or word "ALLAH " was not an adopted name ?

Is not the shahada that you say almost everyday pronounce in this wise
"LA ilah ahillallah ?
Meaning
"LA means "No "
ILAH means "God "

Ahill means "except "

Then
Allah means " the god "

Full translation will then be
"No God except THE- GOD "

the word for God in Arabic is ilah not Allah
And the name of the Islamic god is not illah which is the word for God in Arabic instead .
But the name of the islamic god is " Allah "
Which means "the God "

So the name Allah is actually referencing to a god
So the question is which god is it referencing to ?

That is what you should find out .
Don't defend Islam because it is your religion or because you were born into it .
But instead find the truth and defend the truth .
If Islam is the truth that you eventually find when you do your unbiased investigation and when God reveals the truth to you then defend it but if it is not Islam but some other faith or believe then defend that faith or religion .

You have to see this things with a non sentimental mindset or else you will keep deceiving yourself and at the end damage your soul forever.

Speaklove:


Meaning the Arabians who lived in Saudi then before the prophet of Islam was ever born knew Allah but there was no Islam in Saudi then.

So the question is
How does these pee-Islamic Arabs knew Allah even before the prophet was born and even (according to your statement ) believe in Allah as the supreme God and yet the word "ALLAH" is the name of the Islamic God and that name was not adopted ?

Same way the Hausas recognise Allah as their supreme God while the Yorubas use Oluwa. Despite many idols that exists within these cultures, i don't think any idol exists that bears Allah in Hausa history or Oluwa in Yoruba History.

The prophet father bears the name "abdullah "
Meaning " slave of Allah " yet he was never a Muslim and still you would claim the name or word "ALLAH " was not an adopted name ?

You shoud ask Chukwudi and Olu(wa)femi that are idolators how come they names have "God" in them. Mind you many cultures like Igbos Yorubas use "God" as in Chi/Chukwu and Oluwa for the Supreme deity which of course has no idol similar to the Arabs.

Someone bearing Olubunmi can be a Sango worshiper. Chibuzo can worship Amadioha. Even Christopher can be an Stone worshiper! Who we worship does not depend on the names we bear!

Is not the shahada that you say almost everyday pronounce in this wise
"LA ilah ahillallah ?
Meaning
"LA means "No "
ILAH means "God "

Ahill means "except "

Then
Allah means " the god "

Full translation will then be
"No God except THE- GOD "

the word for God in Arabic is ilah not Allah
And the name of the Islamic god is not illah which is the word for God in Arabic instead .
But the name of the islamic god is " Allah "
Which means "the God "

So the name Allah is actually referencing to a god
So the question is which god is it referencing to ?

You are so wrong! How can Ahill mean except? from the Shahaadah?
Even with the Holy Spirit you still make this much blunder?

When a typical Arab hears the Shahadah, what they understand is that " There is no deity worthy of worship except Allah" This is why the idolaters of Makkah fought the Prophet with severe hostility. They knew he was calling them to deny all their gods and worship the one unseen God above the heavens.

La- Negation (There is no)

ilaaha- (a deity worthy of worship)

Illah- Except

Allah!

So where does Al-Ilaah becames Allah? Which type of contraction makes Al-ilaah become Allah?

That is what you should find out .
Don't defend Islam because it is your religion or because you were born into it .
But instead find the truth and defend the truth .
If Islam is the truth that you eventually find when you do your unbiased investigation and when God reveals the truth to you then defend it but if it is not Islam but some other faith or believe then defend that faith or religion .

You have to see this things with a non sentimental mindset or else you will keep deceiving yourself and at the end damage your soul forever.

I know this postulated theory before. But it still remains a theory with no verifiable proof. And another theory exists that the name Allah was Arabicised from another language. (El, Alaha, Elohim, Elah,...)

When was the time when Allah was know as Al-Illah?

The Qu'ran was revealed over 1400years ago and no one called Al-Illah! The Arabs never know that name.

They have names for all their gods. But Allah they know to be supreme.

I think you're the one telling lies. I warned you the Holy spirit will fail you. How can "the god" be the translation of Allah? Bring your reference? Bring the earliest Arabic etymology of the word "Allah".

Allah has no plural like Elohim! At least, "the god" should have a plural "the gods".
Allah has no feminine form like goddess which Ilaah has.

That's how you converts will be speaking on what you have no knowledge of and people will believe you because you profess to convert from Islam albeit, with negative knowledge of Islam.

More so, The Arabic and Hausa Bible still uses the name Allah for your Jehovah, Yahweh, Elohim, Adonai...!

Where is the response to the Elohim i mentioned previously? If the Holy spirit made you forget i will keep reminding you.

Speaklove:

If you believe that he is the son of God according to the scripture you quoted, then why are you having difficulties to believe
That he is God?
For if the Son of a man is also a man being that he came from (the sperm) inside man , then the son of God is also God being that he came from (the Spirit and word) inside God.

The concept of God/god in the Bible is deceptive and can easily be translated as one wishes.

Son of God
In the Bible we see that Moses is God for Pharaoh, Satan is the God of the world, Sons of God came to sleep with humans, God fought Jacob and lost, Jesus is the son of God, Even you are Gods. Most of these Gods are from "Elohim" in Hebrew. Elohim which can be translated as "gods" can be used in the singular sense for God, for god, Angels, Superhuman, and for people of authority such as a Judge or ruler.

Elohim as (God)
Take note that in Gen 1:1 In the Beginning God (Elohim) created the heaven and earth.

Used as gods
Now I know that the LORD (Yahweh) is greater than all other gods (Elohim), for he did this to those who had treated Israel arrogantly.” Exo 18:11

“Whoever sacrifices to any god (Elohim) other than the LORD (Yahweh) must be destroyed. Exo 22:20

As an Angel (Cos i don't think Jacob can fight God.)
“Your name will no longer be Jacob,” the man told him. “From now on you will be called Israel, because you have fought with God and with men and have won.” Gen 32:28

Human like god (Elohim)
Then the LORD (Yahweh) said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God (Elohim) to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. Exo 7:1

“I said, ‘You are “gods" (Elohim); you are all sons of the Most High.’ Psalm 82:6

Yes you are very very very very very very very very very absolutely awesomely and wonderfully correct sir.
As it is written below

John 1:12
[12]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

So being a son of God does not even mean much as Sons of God came to have sex in Gen 6:1-4.
I have never seen a way of life where the concept of "Godship" is so flawed as these.

RoyalDiadems:


They're different but they're together. The spirit is responsible for life. The soul is responsible for Wills and desires. The will of man and all that he does are fed into his spirit and body by the soul.

Now, Jesus didn't explicitly describe the soul but in the parable of the foolish rich man who laid up treasures for himself to enjoy, and began to boast of how he would start enjoying life:

"But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?" Like 12:20.

When a man dies, his soul and spirit depart the earth. His spirit retains the ability to desire and even to rebel after death, because he has a soul. What the mind is to the body is what the soul is to the spirit.

The warning God gave to Adam in Genesis 1, "The day thou eateth thereof, thou shalt die." Is talking about the separation of the spirit from God. The inability of the soul to continue having spiritual experiences with God is spiritual death.

The devil in the occult realm utilizes the soul of man to give him demonic experiences. The Spirit comes before the soul because it's the only one that can relate with God. Meanwhile, Satan tries to surpress the spirit while elevating the soul to give man a relationship with darkness. In the occult, the emphasis is the soul, but in the kingdom of God, the emphasis is the spirit.

The soul is called the spiritual mind. The spirit is called the spirit man.

I asked a simple question that doesn't need these long prose.

Adam was created in the Bible. Show us the verses that specifically mentions spirit plus Soul?

Since this is not available then we have to agree Adam has two components Viz body and Soul. Soul = Spirit.

QED.

AntiChristian:


I asked a simple question that doesn't need these long prose.

Adam was created in the Bible. Show us the verses that specifically mentions spirit plus Soul?

Since this is not available then we have to agree Adam has two components Viz body and Soul. Soul = Spirit.

QED.

The Bible clearly distinguishes between the Spirit and the Soul. I'll give you two references:

Luke 1:46-47

And Mary said: “My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.

Above, Mary's soul magnifies while her spirit rejoices.

1 Thessalonians 5:23

Context Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Above, God is will keep all three components of man blameless. And, all three arranged in the order of hierachy- Spirit, Soul and Body.

In my previous post, I analysed the workings of all components to see how they're distinguished in their operations.

AntiChristian:


I asked a simple question that doesn't need these long prose.

Adam was created in the Bible. Show us the verses that specifically mentions spirit plus Soul?

Since this is not available then we have to agree Adam has two components Viz body and Soul. Soul = Spirit.

QED.

The Bible clearly distinguishes between the Spirit and the Soul. I'll give you two references:

Luke 1:46-47

And Mary said: “My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.

Above, Mary's soul magnifies while her spirit rejoices.

1 Thessalonians 5:23

Context Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Above, God is will keep all three components of man blameless. And, all three arranged in the order of hierachy- Spirit, Soul and Body.

In my previous post, I analysed the workings of all components to see how they're distinguished in their operations.

In the narration of Adam's creation, the objective was to show how man came into being, and not what components a man is made of. The creation account therefore emphasises only the body which received the Breath of God to become a living soul. Mind you, a soul was in the body but it was not alive until the breath came. Without the spirit, both soul and body are dead.

haekymbahd:
Oga Jehovah was not mentioned in that Verse.

It is just like saying Right channel is the same name as Vriks khanolz even if you write this name down for Waec exam or use am open bank account Dem no go accept am..

Jehovah was not mentioned in which verse? Do you need English teacher to explain this to you or you have sight issue?


Exodus 3:15

And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

haekymbahd:


I never said God didn't revealed a name to Moses but Jehovah is certainly not the name? Even Jews themselves don't know...

Is it Muhammad that revealed this to Moses?


Exodus 3:15

And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

haekymbahd:


Funny you so you are expecting to see a verse on this in the Torah smh... Is changing the name of God part of a scripture.

If you want to know history from Jews themselves the internet is your friend make your research.

I repeat the vowels inserted into Jehova were extracted from the word Adonai.. kindly check Google...

You mentioned the text of Torah and to qoute a verse from the text of Torah is difficult for you

haekymbahd:


First of all Consonant Y and W from the word YHWH was change to J and V respectively to give JHVH.

Them later still add vowels from the word Adonai to complete am. Wahala no come too much.

If you are confused about this please research about it google is there Jehovah was inserted in the bible around 15th century so don't expect it to be in the Torah...

Do you need someone to explain this to you?

Yahweh is based on the consonants YHWH, which is one of the names for God.
Yahweh comes from the Hebrew word for “I am.” When God met Moses at the burning bush and commanded him to go back to Egypt and lead the people out, Moses asked who he should say has sent him.

Jehovah is the same name based on the Latin equivalents of the Hebrew letters: JHVH. Jehovah became the English translation of the Latin form of the Hebrew name.

haekymbahd:


This is about common sense Jehovah was not the name God gave to Moses

I think your eyes needs some medical attention, the name given to Moses here is allah if not Jehovah right?

Exodus 3:15

And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

haekymbahd:


In your dreams which deity has this attributes or can be invoked by best names

Allah SWT said:

"And to Allah belong the best names, so invoke Him by them. And leave [the company of] those who practice deviation concerning His names. They will be recompensed for what they have been doing."
(QS. Al-A'raaf 7: Verse 180)

Allah is the unique name of islamic god which muhammad derived from his pagan father. Your islamic god Allah shared the same name with an idol in Pre-islamic period.

The pagans Arabians who lived in Saudi Arabia before Muhammad was born knew Allah as an Idol but there was no Islam in Saudi then

The question is how does these pre-Islamic pagan Arabs knew Allah even before Muhammad and why was Allah the name of an idol in Pre-islamic period adopted as the unique name of your Islamic god?

haekymbahd:


No idol can be invoked with all the best names in the world

Allah SWT said:

"And to Allah belong the best names, so invoke Him by them. And leave [the company of] those who practice deviation concerning His names. They will be recompensed for what they have been doing."
(QS. Al-A'raaf 7: Verse 180)

So Allah is the best name for an idol in pre-islamic period which was adopted by muhammad as the same Islamic god?

haekymbahd:


Are you asking me Jesus never specify he only said Eli so don't specify for him atleast he didn't mention Jehovah whichever God that is Eli/Allah will respond gods that are not Eli/Allah will not respond to this.

Can you reference your claim with Quran verse that Allah was called by Eli?

RightChannel:


Jehovah was not mentioned in which verse? Do you need English teacher to explain this to you or you have sight issue?


Exodus 3:15

And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.





Is it Muhammad that revealed this to Moses?


Exodus 3:15

And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

I think translations has done a lot of damages to that "collection of books"

Exodus 3:15

KJV(i) 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.


Exodus 3:15
Tyndale(i) 15 And God spake further vnto Moses: thus shalt thou saye vnto the children of Israell: the Lorde God of youre fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Iacob hath sent me vnto you: this is my name for euer, and this is my memoriall thorow out all generacyons.


Exodus 3:15
ERV(i) 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

mhmsadyq:


I think translations has done a lot of damages to that "collection of books"

Exodus 3:15

KJV(i) 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.


Exodus 3:15
Tyndale(i) 15 And God spake further vnto Moses: thus shalt thou saye vnto the children of Israell: the Lorde God of youre fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Iacob hath sent me vnto you: this is my name for euer, and this is my memoriall thorow out all generacyons.


Exodus 3:15
ERV(i) 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

So your own translation is LORDE right?

Who reveal that to Moses if Not God?

Well, when will you answer the remaining questions?

RoyalDiadems:


The Bible clearly distinguishes between the Spirit and the Soul. I'll give you two references:

Luke 1:46-47

And Mary said: “My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.

Above, Mary's soul magnifies while her spirit rejoices.

The body can magnify and rejoice at the same time. The soul/spirit can do both. The name is used interchangeably.

1 Thessalonians 5:23

Context Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Above, God is will keep all three components of man blameless. And, all three arranged in the order of hierachy- Spirit, Soul and Body.

Same analysis. Repetition of soul and spirit as they mean the same thing.

In my previous post, I analysed the workings of all components to see how they're distinguished in their operations.

In the narration of Adam's creation, the objective was to show how man came into being, and not what components a man is made of. The creation account therefore emphasises only the body which received the Breath of God to become a living soul. Mind you, a soul was in the body but it was not alive until the breath came. Without the spirit, both soul and body are dead.

Where in the Bible does it say Adam's created body came with soul?

When man dies where do the components go according to the Bible?

AntiChristian:

The body can magnify and rejoice at the same time. The soul/spirit can do both. The name is used interchangeably.



Same analysis. Repetition of soul and spirit as they mean the same thing.



Where in the Bible does it say Adam's created body came with soul?

When man dies where do the components go according to the Bible?

The Bible does not make repeatitions of same thing with different names in same verse. This is consistent throughout the scriptures. The words spirit, soul and body are deliberate. Simple English makes you understand that the word and is used to when different and dissimilar things are being considered.

Spirit or soul, and body would have been the right way to put it if both soul and spirit meant the same thing.

Spirit, Soul and Body means Spirit and Soul and Body. Three distinct entities.

The spirit is the life giving force of the soul and body. Where no spirit is, there's no life.

Now, let me explain the creation of the Adam.

Genesis 2:7

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Here in the verse quoted above, we see all three components of man.

1. The body formed from clay.

2. The soul which became a living soul. For something to become alive, it must have previously existed in a non-living state.

3. The breath of life signifying the spirit which transformed both body and soul into a living being.

The body returns to earth at death. Both spirit and soul return to God to be judged for the time spent on earth.

Ecclesiastes 12:7

"Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it."

The dust signifying the body returns to the earth. The spirit which is the habitation of the soul returns to God.

It is the Spirit and the soul that makes a complete man. The body only houses the spirit on earth. The Spirit houses the soul for all eternity.

RightChannel:


So your own translation is LORDE right?

Who reveal that to Moses if Not God?

Well, when will you answer the remaining questions?

No be me translate am now...

Agree these are correct:

haekymbahd:


Oga Jehovah was not mentioned in that Verse.

haekymbahd:


I never said God didn't revealed a name to Moses but Jehovah is certainly not the name? Even Jews themselves don't know...

In Islamic parlance this means: Submit to the One God Allah most sincerely, and do good to your fellow beings.

Muslims have thrash the Allah question on many fronts even on this thread.

In addition

...We need to understand that there is a media war on Islam, carried out by some groups among the People of the Book. The principle of One God and one humanity taught by Islam undermines the inherent bigotry and racism of the Zionists. This is while for some Christians, Islam’s uncompromising stance against the polytheistic Trinitarian concept of God in Christianity is a reason to fight Islam.

They know that the Muslim belief in One God is unassailable; and yet they try to undermine the Muslim’s faith by bringing forth arguments. This is namely that Allah is not the One God of the universe, but one of the residual deities worshipped by the ancient pagans of Arabia.

This is really a distortion of the truth. In fact, the Arab pagans did not consider Allah merely as one of their gods. On the contrary, they worshipped Him as the Supreme Ruler of the universe. There was no idol called Allah, though all their lesser gods were represented by idols.


...But for more than five hundred years before Muhammad, the vast majority of Jews and Christians in Arabia called God by the name Allah. How, then, can we say that Allah is an invalid name for God? If it is, to whom have these Jews and Christians been praying?

And what about the 10 to 12 million Arab Christians today? They have been calling God ‘Allah’ in their Bibles, hymns, poems, writings, and worship for over nineteen centuries...copied.

I hope you will address the issues arisen from your position of allah being an idol as it affect the arab christians.

RightChannel:


So your own translation is LORDE right?

Who reveal that to Moses if Not God?

Well, when will you answer the remaining questions?

No be me translate am now...

Agree these are correct:

haekymbahd:


Oga Jehovah was not mentioned in that Verse.

haekymbahd:


I never said God didn't revealed a name to Moses but Jehovah is certainly not the name? Even Jews themselves don't know...

In Islamic parlance this means: Submit to the One God Allah most sincerely, and do good to your fellow beings.

Muslims have thrash the Allah question on many fronts even on this thread.

In addition

...We need to understand that there is a media war on Islam, carried out by some groups among the People of the Book. The principle of One God and one humanity taught by Islam undermines the inherent bigotry and racism of the Zionists. This is while for some Christians, Islam’s uncompromising stance against the polytheistic Trinitarian concept of God in Christianity is a reason to fight Islam.

They know that the Muslim belief in One God is unassailable; and yet they try to undermine the Muslim’s faith by bringing forth arguments. This is namely that Allah is not the One God of the universe, but one of the residual deities worshipped by the ancient pagans of Arabia.

This is really a distortion of the truth. In fact, the Arab pagans did not consider Allah merely as one of their gods. On the contrary, they worshipped Him as the Supreme Ruler of the universe. There was no idol called Allah, though all their lesser gods were represented by idols.


...But for more than five hundred years before Muhammad, the vast majority of Jews and Christians in Arabia called God by the name Allah. How, then, can we say that Allah is an invalid name for God? If it is, to whom have these Jews and Christians been praying?

And what about the 10 to 12 million Arab Christians today? They have been calling God ‘Allah’ in their Bibles, hymns, poems, writings, and worship for over nineteen centuries...copied.

I hope you will address the issues arisen from your position of Allah being an idol as it affect the arab christians.

LordReed:


You didn't really dispel what I wrote, you are still saying one should be credulous. That is not a recipe for obtaining truth.

PLEASE READ ALL of these carefully

Nope.
My dictionary defines the word "credulous "

"Etymology
Originated in 1576, borrowed from Latin crēdulus, from crēdō ("to believe)
Excessively ready to believe things; gullible. ▼
(obsolete) Believed too readily."

I never said just believe without using your brain -that can led anyone into believeing a lie . God is against foolishness and that's foolishness.

That is not what I meant .

In your own words you wrote
"That is not a recipe for OBTAINING truth."

the bold word "OBTAINING" agrees with my notion that every truth is a product of inspiration and can not be created or formulated by one's independent self .

You could remember I talked about exercising your senses .
Exercising your senses is your own act but that which you put into exercise comes from somewhere else .

For example you spoke about placebo before .I believe you were not born directly with the knowledge of placebo in your head but learnt it from somewhere or some persons or at school or wherever .
But the point is you had to be taught before you knew it .
your choice of using it (placebo) as a basis for argument is an act of your own exercise .

The information was a product of inspiration
But the grasping , of it content came by the exercise of you faculties .

You see!
Every point of argument you've made were all inspired subject and never a 100 percent product of your own mind .
These help to see that man is a receptive and Dependant being that needs inspiration to make a meaning in life .

You might be the one who farmed the food products that you ate today but you weren't the one who produced the seed .
Somebody did and you took that persons product and then put it to work to get a desired result .

There are two major realms of inspiration were men tap from.
1. The natural (or physical )realm
2. The supernatural (or spiritual) realm

To understand the things of the natural realm all you need is to exercise your senses eg.
Mind ,and intellect .
Then reason with your brain to understand them .

But to graps spiritual things it is different.

You have to open your mind (turn your consciousness towards ) the holy spirit and let him fill it with inspiration then you exercise your senses eh.
intellect ,mind ,emotion or intuition to discern what the inspiration you've got means .

Only the holy spirit can teach you spiritual truth ,that's why he is called the spirit of truth
As it is written .
John 16:12-13
[12]“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
[13]However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

You see!
You have to yield your mind to him to get inspiration but the discernment of that inspiration is your own business by exercising you ( soul) senses to discern.

As it is written
Job 32:8
[8]But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.


your arguments or points you've made earlier were all also products of inspiration and you exercise you senses to discern them .
The differences is were the inspiration comes from .
Inspiration comes form etheir the flesh (natural realm )
Or the spirit
(Spiritual realm)

And you have been influenced and even received inspiration from these two realms without knowing.
You a man
And man is like a cup that needs to be filled with water from another source before it can dispense to the mouth of those who thirst.

Your mind is are actually being influenced and inspired from by either what you can see (because they are physical )

Or what you can't see (because they are spiritual ) As it is written

Romans 8:5
[5]Those who live as their human nature tells them to, have their minds controlled by what human nature wants. Those who live as the Spirit tells them to, have their minds controlled by what the Spirit wants.

You see !

You are actually being influenced and inspired .
You can't create a single thing without the inputs of inspiration or influence from another source other than yourself .

But the decision to yield is a product of your own will (exercise) at the beginning .

RoyalDiadems:


The Bible does not make repeatitions of same thing with different names in same verse. This is consistent throughout the scriptures. The words spirit, soul and body are deliberate. Simple English makes you understand that the word and is used to when different and dissimilar things are being considered.

Spirit or soul, and body would have been the right way to put it if both soul and spirit meant the same thing.

Spirit, Soul and Body means Spirit and Soul and Body. Three distinct entities.

The spirit is the life giving force of the soul and body. Where no spirit is, there's no life.

Now, let me explain the creation of the Adam.

Genesis 2:7

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Here in the verse quoted above, we see all three components of man.

1. The body formed from clay.

2. The soul which became a living soul. For something to become alive, it must have previously existed in a non-living state.

3. The breath of life signifying the spirit which transformed both body and soul into a living being.

The body returns to earth at death. Both spirit and soul return to God to be judged for the time spent on earth.

Ecclesiastes 12:7

"Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it."

The dust signifying the body returns to the earth. The spirit which is the habitation of the soul returns to God.

It is the Spirit and the soul that makes a complete man. The body only houses the spirit on earth. The Spirit houses the soul for all eternity.

You have reduced my burden and help make justice to their questions,arguments and objections .
Thank you very much .
I was also attending to some discussions on this very thread and other threads .
But you've help uphold the truth.

May God continue to fill your with wisdom.

Speaklove:


You have reduced my burden and help make justice to their questions,arguments and objections .
Thank you very much .
I was also attending to some discussions on this very thread and other threads .
But you've help uphold the truth.

May God continue to fill your with wisdom.

Amen brother. May the Lord richly reward your labour of love.