wirinet:


Circular reasoning.
1. God cursed man to die
2. God came to earth as human to die to save man from dying.
Or
1. God has already condemned all humanity.

2. God came as human to save humanity from eternal damnation.

The most crazy circular reasoning is God sacrificed himself to save humanity from himself.

Ask questions when you are confused!

AntiChristian:


So did those who burnt the lady ascribed their actions to Islam?

This is the reason why I say most Christians are of the devil. They claim to be lead by the Holy spirit yet they demonise without proper judgement!

Here you speak a big lie. Deborah was killed because Muslims in her school felt that she blasphemed against the greatest and the last prophet of Islam Mohammed!

If you know any other reason, let us know it

TenQ:

Here you speak a big lie. Deborah was killed because Muslims in her school felt that she blasphemed against the greatest and the last prophet of Islam Mohammed!

If you know any other reason, let us know it

Rightly spoken

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MY FACE TO FACE ENCOUNTER WITH JESUS CHRIST AND THE CONVERSATION OF MY SOUL FROM ISLAM TO CHRISTIANITY PART 1

Start reading from the first page by clicking this link here below
https://www.nairaland.com/5750721/face-face-encounter-jesus-christ

TenQ:

Ask questions when you are confused!

And you think you are knowledgeable about religious matters?

AntiChristian:


So did those who burnt the lady ascribed their actions to Islam?

This is the reason why I say most Christians are of the devil. They claim to be lead by the Holy spirit yet they demonise without proper judgement!

Yes they brutally murdered her to protect Islam (in their warped reasoning)

And a Muslim that can behead people or burn people alive for silly reasons is not worse than the devil?

*59-1128 - Door To The Heart*
14 This is rather an unusual scene that we’re reading about. It’s someone standing at a door, knocking. And knocking at a door is not unusual, because plenty of people knock at doors. But Jesus is speaking here of Him knocking at a door.

And the reason that someone knocks on a door, they’re trying to speak to someone inside. They’re trying to make a way to enter in to talk, or to bring something to someone, or something like that: gaining access to the inside, and that’s why they knock at the door.

15 ......... I think he was a Greek, that spent about a lifetime painting that famous picture of Jesus knocking at the door. And all great pictures, before they can be hung in the hall of fame, they have to pass the critics. That reminds me of the Church. Before God can ever glorify His Church, She has to go down through that hall of critics. Then someday, if She’ll stand real clean and clear before God, God will take Her out of this world one day and hang Her in a hall of fame yonder. That’s the hour we’re looking for. So hold fast till He comes. Let the critics say what they wish to, but you hold to God’s unchanging hand and live clean, pure before Him.

16 And as this great picture, that I was speaking of, was before the critics, there was one great critic walked up to the artist, and called him by name, and he said,...... “I think all that is very striking, but there’s one thing,”... that you forgot in your picture: that is, no matter how much He would knock, you haven’t got any latch for Him to go in at.”

“Oh,” said the artist, “I painted it thus. You see, He’s knocking at the door of a heart, and the latch is on the inside. Only you can open to Him. He can knock, but you have to open.”

That is true. You are the only one that can open up your heart’s door. Jesus may knock, but you have to open.

20. ....... But who’s more important than Jesus? Who’s any more turned down than Jesus?

21 He will knock at the door and you’ll say, “Oh, some other time.” He’s been turned away from more doors than all the great people that ever is on the earth.

I’d say, this very day that Jesus has been turned away from tens of thousands of doors today. And if the world stands, before day breaks in the morning, He will be turned away from tens of thousands of other doors. .......

22 But the Lord Jesus, the only thing that He wants, is to do something good for you. He wants to bless you, take away your evil and give you righteousness, and goodness, and mercy. That’s all He could do. And to get into the heart, He knocks at the door. And the people say, “Oh, some other time.”

Now, it would be nice for you to take in one of the great people. But you’d never do anything better than take in Jesus, because when He comes in, He gives you Eternal Life. And to think of turning Him away from your heart…But we do it.

Rev. William Marrion Branham


*GOLDEN NUGGET*
"As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."
_Revelation 3:19-22_

wirinet:


And you think you are knowledgeable about religious matters?

Well!
ask relevant questions to find out for yourself

RoyalDiadems:


God will keep your soul. Ten years to this time, you would have known the truth.

Yeah !
I pray God keep him and use him for his glory .
Antichristian can become pro- christian

A very good prayer there

AntiChristian:


O! Has IPOB beheaded any of your family or burnt them?

Na only Deborah you dey see?

What about speaking out and condemning the killing of the lady ?

What has IPOB got to do with this ?
Or are you trying to justify her killings because of the alleged conducts of ipob ?

AntiChristian:


I have known the truth over 20 years ago!

Who told you you'll be alive in the next seconds?

No ! You haven't
When you know the truth you will be set free

I am waiting for you to ask a question about the statement above

wirinet:


And you think you are knowledgeable about religious matters?

At least you would have found someone that can dispel your ignorance!

Speaklove:


Rightly spoken

They see nothing wrong with lies and misinformation as long as it favours the standard Islamic narratives.

I gave up on them after looking at Quranic verses and hadiths that look offending. They will twist the Arabic to say something nicer and less damaging

AntiChristian:
Nope! Everything on earth was created by God. Do you mean the sea existed before the earth was created or it was contained in the land? Even if the latter is what you meant, the sea was still a creation of God albeit not created on its own! And even this creation story is not scientifically accurate.

Actually i see no power than deceit and brainwashing!

I once saw my neighbor's daughter a young girl say about 8-10years. As i was about to enter my flat i saw a dove in front of my door, the dove was unable to fly probably injured or something. As my wife was not around and i was tired i had to just go in and look for what to eat. The dove moved away as i approached the door moving towards the young girl's house. I was inside and i started hearing her say something like " i bound you bird in Jesus's name" Let the fire of the holy ghost burn you". She kept uttering similar words....till later she gave up saying this one is too stubborn o! This same family had rat infestation and had to call in their pastors several times for deliverance from big rats that were sent to them from their village people. It was when i permitted them to enter my house to get behind their apartment and repair their window, etc that the infestation stopped. Can you see how Christianity has brainwashed them?

See, assuming this is true, there should be no demon in Nigeria anymore due to the number of Churches binding and inviting fire around.
Churches make more money (Net Profit) than any industry in Nigeria.

I am convinced that God created the seas. That's not the object of my post. What I'm showing you is your defective logic that says, since the creation of the soul was not directly inferred, then, soul equals spirit. Since you aren't spiritual, these types of discussion are actually beyond you. I would discuss this only with people born of the Spirit.

Islam is the great indoctrinator, brainwasher and deceiver. It was mainly invented to stop men from receiving the salvation that Jesus brought. Islam never teaches, it only indoctrinates and brainwashes. The adherents are made to repeat words and sentences continually without reasoning and without permission to ask questions. Right from youth, the Muslim child is so indoctrinated that before he's 10, he's already formed. Christianity on the other hand teaches, allows questions and debates. A Christian is a Christian because he was convinced. The first generations of Muslims embraced Islam by force, under the threat of death. The following generation are then groomed through indoctrination.

Regarding the storyline you painted about your neighbor, that's not Christianity, that's their Church doctrine. It would be wrong of you to generalise. Not all Christians would respond the same way to that same situation.

Now, I want you to understand that there are many professing Christians who are Christians by religion. Christianity isn't a religion. Most so called Christians you see around you are not Christians in the real sense of the word.

A Christian is one who has encountered Jesus and His born of the Holy Ghost and has become a disciple of Jesus Christ. Very few people fall into this category.

The demons of hell know a Christian when they see one. They tremble at the power of God pulsating through the believer.

Recently, a girl was brought to me who happened to be a witch. She wanted to leave the coven but for fear of bring killed, she could not. Strong demons were residing in her. As I began to speak to the girl, the fire of the Holy Ghost made the spirits of witchcraft uncomfortable. The girl fell off the chair she was sitting on and lay on the floor trembling. That's power. That's Christianity.

The devil has brought a lot of dilution into the truth so that even the truth is difficult to decipher. However, God is still working in the world today to bring the knowledge of the truth to all those whose hearts hunger after it.

If you think Christianity is defined by what you see around you, you're making a grave mistake. Those your neighbors may not even be Christians in the real sense of the word.

RoyalDiadems:


I am convinced that God created the seas. That's not the object of my post. What I'm showing you is your defective logic that says, since the creation of the soul was not directly inferred, then, soul equals spirit. Since you aren't spiritual, these types of discussion are actually beyond you. I would discuss this only with people born of the Spirit.

It's not related as God created everything! Born of the spirit This are some of the words used to deceive the gullible! I don't believe in such!

Islam is the great indoctrinator, brainwasher and deceiver. It was mainly invented to stop men from receiving the salvation that Jesus brought. Islam never teaches, it only indoctrinates and brainwashes. The adherents are made to repeat words and sentences continually without reasoning and without permission to ask questions. Right from youth, the Muslim child is so indoctrinated that before he's 10, he's already formed. Christianity on the other hand teaches, allows questions and debates. A Christian is a Christian because he was convinced. The first generations of Muslims embraced Islam by force, under the threat of death. The following generation are then groomed through indoctrination.

These are lies bro. I once attended a Catholic Boarding house. We were forced to mass every morning and even cathechism, stations of the cross, etc. Even my school guardian was a CAC adherent. Whenever i went to his house, he would make me pray, sing with them, attend churches and fellowships with them despite knowing my Muslim background. I still remember some memory verses from John 3:16, Ephesians 2:8-9, etc. Christianity has the worst kind of terrorism and that is the terrorism of the mind. And i wasn't alone in this school. There are many Muslims. Even my Muslim name was not called. They prefer using my other name. And almost all what you wrote up there are what Christians too do indoctrinating their children with songs that Jesus died for them. Making them see helpless animals as demon and trying to bring down fire from one invisible holy ghost.

No Bible verse will ever tell you there is no compulsion in religion except the Qur'an. If you have evidences for what you wrote about Islam up there do bring them.

Regarding the storyline you painted about your neighbor, that's not Christianity, that's their Church doctrine. It would be wrong of you to generalise. Not all Christians would respond the same way to that same situation.

You are wrong! I am well aware the family attends RCCG. Another attends winners and she prays wildly too always inviting fire to burn their enemies! The 7 day adventist neigbor is still mild compared to others.

Now, I want you to understand that there are many professing Christians who are Christians by religion. Christianity isn't a religion. Most so called Christians you see around you are not Christians in the real sense of the word.

This is true about most religions! A Jehovah witness will say same about you as well as a Unitarian Christian.

A Christian is one who has encountered Jesus and His born of the Holy Ghost and has become a disciple of Jesus Christ. Very few people fall into this category.

Is there any bible verse where Jesus gave this definition? And won't other Christian denomination disagree with this?

The demons of hell know a Christian when they see one. They tremble at the power of God pulsating through the believer.
Recently, a girl was brought to me who happened to be a witch. She wanted to leave the coven but for fear of bring killed, she could not. Strong demons were residing in her. As I began to speak to the girl, the fire of the Holy Ghost made the spirits of witchcraft uncomfortable. The girl fell off the chair she was sitting on and lay on the floor trembling. That's power. That's Christianity.

Miracles happen everywhere even without any Christian involved. I have many incidence too and I'm not a Christian. Mind you, false Prophets too have such powers.

The devil has brought a lot of dilution into the truth so that even the truth is difficult to decipher. However, God is still working in the world today to bring the knowledge of the truth to all those whose hearts hunger after it.

If you think Christianity is defined by what you see around you, you're making a grave mistake. Those your neighbors may not even be Christians in the real sense of the word.

I really don't know who the Christians are. Jesus never stated such word. He never started Christianity nor tell anyone to start a religion.
Christians denominations are coming up day by day and we have about 45,000 denominations now if not more.

And each claim Christianity with proofs from the Bible.

Speaklove:


No ! You haven't
When you know the truth you will be set free

I am waiting for you to ask a question about the statement above

Have you answered the question about Elohim i asked weeks ago?

Why your "Elohim" can be used for God that lost to Jacob, for Moses, for Angel, for Satan, for gods and for Yahweh?

Speaklove:


What about speaking out and condemning the killing of the lady ?

What has IPOB got to do with this ?
Or are you trying to justify her killings because of the alleged conducts of ipob ?

No justification or non-Justification can awake the dead lady!
And my comment is directed to the wild Christian that were bent on condemning all Muslims because of what happened in the college in Sokoto.

Make Christians keep shut about other's religion!
Tolerance should be two ways!
And make the northerners resist the urge to take laws in to their hands!

And even the person i am responding to never condemns his IPOB brothers who are mainly of the same faith as him.

Speaklove:

Yeah !
I pray God keep him and use him for his glory .
Antichristian can become pro- christian

A very good prayer there

Bad prayer!

Allah says what means:
And they say, “None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian.” These are their own desires. Say (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ), “Produce your proof if you are truthful.”

Yes, but whoever submits his face (himself) to Allah (i.e. follows Allah’s Religion of Islamic Monotheism) and he is a Muhsin (good-doer i.e. performs good deeds totally for Allah’s sake only without any show off or to gain praise or fame, etc., and in accordance with the Sunnah of Allah’s Messenger Muhammad Peace be upon him ) then his reward is with his Lord (Allah), on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. [See Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Vol.1, Page 154].
Qur'an 2:111-113

AntiChristian:
It's not related as God created everything! Born of the spirit This are some of the words used to deceive the gullible! I don't believe in such!

These are lies bro. I once attended a Catholic Boarding house. We were forced to mass every morning and even cathechism, stations of the cross, etc. Even my school guardian was a CAC adherent. Whenever i went to his house, he would make me pray, sing with them, attend churches and fellowships with them despite knowing my Muslim background. I still remember some memory verses from John 3:16, Ephesians 2:8-9, etc. Christianity has the worst kind of terrorism and that is the terrorism of the mind. And i wasn't alone in this school. There are many Muslims. Even my Muslim name was not called. They prefer using my other name. And almost all what you wrote up there are what Christians too do indoctrinating their children with songs that Jesus died for them. Making them see helpless animals as demon and trying to bring down fire from one invisible holy ghost.

No Bible verse will ever tell you there is no compulsion in religion except the Qur'an. If you have evidences for what you wrote about Islam up there do bring them.

You are wrong! I am well aware the family attends RCCG. Another attends winners and she prays wildly too always inviting fire to burn their enemies! The 7 day adventist neigbor is still mild compared to others.

This is true about most religions! A Jehovah witness will say same about you as well as a Unitarian Christian.

Is there any bible verse where Jesus gave this definition? And won't other Christian denomination disagree with this?



Miracles happen everywhere even without any Christian involved. I have many incidence too and I'm not a Christian. Mind you, false Prophets too have such powers.



I really don't know who the Christians are. Jesus never stated such word. He never started Christianity nor tell anyone to start a religion.
Christians denominations are coming up day by day and we have about 45,000 denominations now if not more.

And each claim Christianity with proofs from the Bible.

There's no compulsion in Christianity, you know it quiet wel. Islam says so but does the opposite. Even you yourself know that if you leave Islam today, you might be killed. If you attend a religious school, you're mandated to do their religious biddings. These happen in Muslim schools as well. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about indoctrination and brainwashing, which is a permanent feature of Islam. I already painted the picture in my last post.

Yeah so many denominations come out of Christiendome because the devil is constantly attacking the truth and trying all he could to cause divisions. So many false pastors and false Churches with false doctrines abound. If there are no such confusion infused by the devil, it wouldn't be hard for people like you to find salvation. It is a satanic strategy to stump out the light of the gospel. But, God is still manifesting Himself to those who care for the truth.

Apart from raising Islam to attack the salvation message (muslims are naturally trained to hate Christians so that they would even give an ear to hear the gospel). Additionally, when you go into the occult today, the attack is on JESUS. The devil polutes the minds of all occultists to hate Christians and be on a constant war against the church. He knows that the message of the church brings humiliation to his kingdom. A prominent occult symbol is the cross sign made upside down, do you know why? The cross is the symbol of victory over the powers of hell! The devil hates it. In it lies the secret of salvation which the devil hates since he loves to keep humanity under perpetual bondage.

Yes, false miracles abound as well as false Christs, false Churches, false denominations, false pastors, fake Bibles, false doctrines, false gatherings.... Jesus Christ already forewarned us. It isn't a surprise at all.

However, He that dwells within us is greater than the 'he' that is in the world. The devil is not attacking the gospel without a reason.

Of course there doesn't have to be false Mohammeds, or false mosques or false quorans. Only the original is liable to have counterfeits. Seek the truth my brother. Religion is built only on falsehood. Neither Christianity nor Islam can save, only Jesus saves, and He saves totally.

Those who have experienced spiritual rebirth know that it's not a myth. It is a vivid experience that ushers you into a new realm. The devil fears such people. If you want to know more about them, read the Acts of Apostles. Those happenings in that book are still our experiences today. The devil tried hard to shut it out of Christiendome but light always prevail over darkness. I had my first encounter with the Holy Ghost on the 8th of July, 2000. My life has not been the same ever since. My father was a chronic Muslim but he died an Evangelist (Glory to God!).

AntiChristian:


Bad prayer!

Allah says what means:
And they say, “None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian.” These are their own desires. Say (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ), “Produce your proof if you are truthful.”


Yes, but whoever submits his face (himself) to Allah (i.e. follows Allah’s Religion of Islamic Monotheism) and he is a Muhsin (good-doer i.e. performs good deeds totally for Allah’s sake only without any show off or to gain praise or fame, etc., and in accordance with the Sunnah of Allah’s Messenger Muhammad Peace be upon him ) then his reward is with his Lord (Allah), on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. [See Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Vol.1, Page 154].
Qur'an 2:111-113

Nope !
This is it

John 3:3-6
[3]Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
[4]Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
[5]Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[6]That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Speaklove:

Nope !
This is it

John 3:3-6
[3]Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
[4]Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
[5]Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[6]That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Is this what you Christians preach? No!

And tell me how many people Jesus told to be born again?

The rich man that asked about eternal life?

AntiChristian:


Is this what you Christians preach? No!

And tell me how many people Jesus told to be born again?

The rich man that asked about eternal life?

Do you even know what you are really contending with ?
You are under the gorverment and rulership of Satan ,and Satan you would agree is a spiritual being .
You know nothing about this battle neither do I think you are even cognizant of the fight .

Speaklove:


Do you even know what you are really contending with ?
You are under the gorverment and rulership of Satan ,and Satan you would agree is a spiritual being .
You know nothing about this battle neither do I think you are even cognizant of the fight .

Your Bible says Satan is the Elohim of this world.

And it's your God that created prosperity and calamity.

So why all your rants?

AntiChristian:


Your Bible says Satan is the Elohim of this world.

When the scripture says Satan is the god of this world (that is to say he is the god of this age) not the creator of this world .


He is the one in charge of the corrupt affairs of this age .
He is the influencer of the evil actions carried out by men in this age .
He is the inspiration behind killing innocent people because they don't practice the same religion whith some people .

He is the god of all who chose to terrorize the peace of humanity .
Burning mosques and churches ,and houses .Killing weak women ,and little children .
Rendering new brides ,and grooms without children yet as widows ,and widowers

He is the god of all those who hate others simply because they don't worship the same deity .
Any one who hates others because they don't practice the same faith with he or she is under the influence of the spirit of hatred which is the spirit of satan .

The spirit of God is the spirit of love .
The true God who created all men can not oder for their killing on the ground of refusal to worship after he had declared grace to them all .
The Grace of God is extended to all those who would believe in the name of Jesus christ .
My God does not hate Muslims ,atheist ,Hindus or whoever because he is the one who created them .
A good father would not hate is children but would love them even if they might differ in his opinion.
he would still retain an iota of love in his heart for them .

Any one who chooses to be sentimental with everything and refuses to consider the truth from what is said on the ground of sentiment is under the influence of the spirit called "self-deception " and that spirit is of Satan .

Satan has blinded the minds of those who are lost and perishing and through that veil on the eyes of their faculty of discernment ,the eyes of understanding ,and the eyes of their spiritual reasoning.
Through that medium of blindness he governs their lives .

But when the mind shall turn to the lord who is the spirit the veil shall be taken away .

The kingdom of this world is of darkness ,and all who are of this world are under the gorverment of that kingdom whose god is Satan .

AntiChristian:

And it's your God that created prosperity and calamity.

If not for my God you will probably not have that device called mobile phone on your hand because your religion would have considered the idea of inventing such things against the sunnah ,and against the culture of your faith
So many of the provisions that leads to many prosperity you had enjoyed are products of inventions made by Christians who drew inspiration from their God .


You said my God created calamity ?
Let's find out :

Was it my God who said people should kill Deborah Samuel or any one who does a thing like the one she was accused of ?
or were is followers the ones who killed her ?

Was it my God who said havoc should be recked in the north- east or were his followers tge ones who does that ?

Was my God the one who said a plane should be hijacked on 9-11 in america or were his followers the ones who did it ?

You judge weather it's my God or your god who is creator of calamity by yourself

AntiChristian:

So why all your rants?

I am the one to now ask you
"So why all those rants ?"

By what I have written i think you should
judge who is ranting for yourself

Speaklove:


When the scripture says Satan is the god of this world (that is to say he is the god of this age) not the creator of this world .


He is the one in charge of the corrupt affairs of this age .
He is the influencer of the evil actions carried out by men in this age .
He is the inspiration behind killing innocent people because they don't practice the same religion whith some people .

He is the god of all who chose to terrorize the peace of humanity .
Burning mosques and churches ,and houses .Killing weak women ,and little children .
Rendering new brides ,and grooms without children yet as widows ,and widowers

He is the god of all those who hate others simply because they don't worship the same deity .
Any one who hates others because they don't practice the same faith with he or she is under the influence of the spirit of hatred which is the spirit of satan .

The spirit of God is the spirit of love .
The true God who created all men can not oder for their killing on the ground of refusal to worship after he had declared grace to them all .
The Grace of God is extended to all those who would believe in the name of Jesus christ .
My God does not hate Muslims ,atheist ,Hindus or whoever because he is the one who created them .
A good father would not hate is children but would love them even if they might differ in his opinion.
he would still retain an iota of love in his heart for them .

Any one who chooses to be sentimental with everything and refuses to consider the truth from what is said on the ground of sentiment is under the influence of the spirit called "self-deception " and that spirit is of Satan .

Satan has blinded the minds of those who are lost and perishing and through that veil on the eyes of their faculty of discernment ,the eyes of understanding ,and the eyes of their spiritual reasoning.
Through that medium of blindness he governs their lives .

But when the mind shall turn to the lord who is the spirit the veil shall be taken away .

The kingdom of this world is of darkness ,and all who are of this world are under the gorverment of that kingdom whose god is Satan .

You straw away from the point.
Elohim can be Yahweh, or Satan or Angel, or man or even idols. Why does Yahweh have to use such name?

If not for my God you will probably not have that device called mobile phone on your hand because your religion would have considered the idea of inventing such things against the sunnah ,and against the culture of your faith
So many of the provisions that leads to many prosperity you had enjoyed are products of inventions made by Christians who drew inspiration from their God .

This is total balderdash! Well, one of the reason you left Islam is because of inadequate knowledge. It's evident.

Bid'ah i.e. forbidden innovation are things forbidden to be changed in the religion. For example, in the way we pray, fast and other acts of worship.

This does not include scientific innovation! The judgement on phone are according to what you do with it.

You said my God created calamity ?
Let's find out :

Was it my God who said people should kill Deborah Samuel or any one who does a thing like the one she was accused of ?
or were is followers the ones who killed her ?

Was it my God who said havoc should be recked in the north- east or were his followers tge ones who does that ?

Was my God the one who said a plane should be hijacked on 9-11 in america or were his followers the ones who did it ?

You judge weather it's my God or your god who is creator of calamity by yourself

This is another balderdash! Your God created calamity as stated clearly in Isaiah 45:7.

And the story of Job was a typical example!

I am the one to now ask you
"So why all those rants ?"

By what I have written i think you should
judge who is ranting for yourself

You can't even understand coded messages above.
You no get any holy spirit bro!
You are not even a good ranter!

wirinet:


Circular reasoning.
1. God cursed man to die
2. God came to earth as human to die to save man from dying.
Or
1. God has already condemned all humanity.

2. God came as human to save humanity from eternal damnation.

The most crazy circular reasoning is God sacrificed himself to save humanity from himself.

Very ignorant position.

1. God never cursed man to die. Man died because of disobedience. He became eternally separated from God.

2. God did not come to earth to die only but he came to shed His blood for the atonement of man's sins which had made him a slave of the devil. Without blood, there's no atonement. And since man was unable to deliver himself from captivity, God in His love came to his rescue.

3. The condemnation was forewarned before the deed was done. "The day you eat thereof, thou shalt surely die.' it was a direct result of an action. God owns the world and He is the judge over its inhabitants.

4. Yes, God came in the form of man to reconcile man to Himself. God is a God of principles. He created the world with rules and order. To get man back to Himself, He must follow His own rules and orders. He must abide by His own principles.

5. God sacrificed His Son to save humanity from the captivity he has put himself into. All humanity became legal captives of Satan. Mankind sold itself and Satan became a lawful oppressor. God must deliver man through lawful means - REDEMPTION.

AntiChristian:


Your Bible says Satan is the Elohim of this world.

And it's your God that created prosperity and calamity.

So why all your rants?

The Lord God who created the heavens and the earth is not just Elohim. He's Jehovah Elohim.

God created prosperity only. When man fell and sold himself to Satan, Satan distributed pain and calamity. God created Satan as a goodly archangel called Lucifer. After his rebellion, he was cast out of heaven and became the creator of calamity.

However, since there's sin among men, and there must be punishment for sin, God uses Satan indirectly to punish sins, bring men back to good reasoning as well as test their love for him.

The old testament theology believed that since God created Satan who created calamity, then God is indirectly the creator of calamity.

As in the case of Job, God tested Job through calamities but the devil was the brain behind each calamity that Job experienced.

Are you still confused as to whether spirit is different from soul? Read this scripture below:

"For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." Hebrews 14:12

RoyalDiadems:


The Lord God who created the heavens and the earth is not just Elohim. He's Jehovah Elohim.

No! That's false. The name "Jehovah" was created some centuries ago by William Tyndale! The correct Hebrew name was "YHWH" and this was unpronounced.

God created prosperity only. When man fell and sold himself to Satan, Satan distributed pain and calamity. God created Satan as a goodly archangel called Lucifer. After his rebellion, he was cast out of heaven and became the creator of calamity.

However, since there's sin among men, and there must be punishment for sin, God uses Satan indirectly to punish sins, bring men back to good reasoning as well as test their love for him.

The old testament theology believed that since God created Satan who created calamity, then God is indirectly the creator of calamity.

As in the case of Job, God tested Job through calamities but the devil was the brain behind each calamity that Job experienced.

This is false too.

Isaiah 45:7 goes thus: I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things. Satan proposes to harm Job and God approves it.

Even in Job 1:16, While he was still speaking, another messenger came and said, “The fire of God fell from the heavens and burned up the sheep and the servants, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!” It was not Satan doing anything!

All these are proven from your Bible. Why bring unnecessary theories?

Are you still confused as to whether spirit is different from soul? Read this scripture below:

"For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." Hebrews 14:12

Your reference above is wrong! It should have been Hebrews 4:12.
Checking the Greek translation of the Bible it seems i am still right and you wrong!

psychēs (Greek - translated as Soul in that verse) is From psucho; breath, i.e. spirit, abstractly or concretely.

Check Reference: https://biblehub.com/hebrews/4-12.htm

This still means Soul=Spirit!

AntiChristian:


No! That's false. The name "Jehovah" was created some centuries ago by William Tyndale! The correct Hebrew name was "YHWH" and this was unpronounced.


This is false too.

Isaiah 45:7 goes thus: I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things. Satan proposes to harm Job and God approves it.

Even in Job 1:16, While he was still speaking, another messenger came and said, “The fire of God fell from the heavens and burned up the sheep and the servants, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!” It was not Satan doing anything!

All these are proven from your Bible. Why bring unnecessary theories?



Your reference above is wrong! It should have been Hebrews 4:12.
Checking the Greek translation of the Bible it seems i am still right and you wrong!

psychēs (Greek - translated as Soul in that verse) is From psucho; breath, i.e. spirit, abstractly or concretely.

Check Reference: https://biblehub.com/hebrews/4-12.htm

This still means Soul=Spirit!

Jehovah simply means THE LORD. This can be translated into any language. THE LORD or MY LORD has been in use before Tyndale.

Jehovah is the artificial Latinized rendering of the name of the God of Israel. The name arose among Christians in the Middle Ages through the combination of the consonants YHWH (JHVH) with the vowels of Adonai (“My Lord).

Yeah, the Lord created darkness and light, prosperity and disaster. He didn't create disaster for righteous men but for the wicked and for the workers of darkness.. And, He uses the devil to unleash the disaster on whosoever is guilty and worthy of it.

Calamity or disaster is not totally evil. Just as a good judge can pass death sentence on a murderer leading to celebration and rejoicing for those who seek justice. God can bring disaster on the deserving, using the devil in His Wisdom.

Job chapter 1 clearly narrates the incident so much so that we know and are aware of the source of Job's calamity. A discourse arouse between God and Satan in which God permitted Satan to bring calamity on job as a way of showing Satan that in spite of his neverous activity in the world to completely alienate man from God, God still has His trusted servants who against all odds would not follow satan. Job was tested. He passed, and God multiplied him 10 times better than his beginning.

James 5:1
"Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy."

The reporter told job that the fire of God came down from heaven because that was his thoughts. He never knew the spiritual undercurrents of the events. The same way, people ignorantly ascribe evil unto God today.
Most ignorant men believe that "If it falls from heaven, then it's from God." This assertion is wrong.

Your Greek interpretation of the word spirit and soul is unbalanced. The Word separates spirit from soul and not soul from soul or spirit from spirit. I just made the reference for your enlightenment. This matter of Soul and Spirit is obviously beyond you.

Thanks for correcting the error in the Bible reference. I posted it without reviewing it.

RoyalDiadems:


Jehovah simply means THE LORD. This can be translated into any language. THE LORD or MY LORD has been in use before Tyndale.

Jehovah is the artificial Latinized rendering of the name of the God of Israel. The name arose among Christians in the Middle Ages through the combination of the consonants YHWH (JHVH) with the vowels of Adonai (“My Lord).

Yeah, the Lord created darkness and light, prosperity and disaster. He didn't create disaster for righteous men but for the wicked and for the workers of darkness.. And, He uses the devil to unleash the disaster on whosoever is guilty and worthy of it.

Calamity or disaster is not totally evil. Just as a good judge can pass death sentence on a murderer leading to celebration and rejoicing for those who seek justice. God can bring disaster on the deserving, using the devil in His Wisdom.

Job chapter 1 clearly narrates the incident so much so that we know and are aware of the source of Job's calamity. A discourse arouse between God and Satan in which God permitted Satan to bring calamity on job as a way of showing Satan that in spite of his neverous activity in the world to completely alienate man from God, God still has His trusted servants who against all odds would not follow satan. Job was tested. He passed, and God multiplied him 10 times better than his beginning.

James 5:1
"Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy."

The reporter told job that the fire of God came down from heaven because that was his thoughts. He never knew the spiritual undercurrents of the events. The same way, people ignorantly ascribe evil unto God today.
Most ignorant men believe that "If it falls from heaven, then it's from God." This assertion is wrong.

Your Greek interpretation of the word spirit and soul is unbalanced. The Word separates spirit from soul and not soul from soul or spirit from spirit. I just made the reference for your enlightenment. This matter of Soul and Spirit is obviously beyond you.

Thanks for correcting the error in the Bible reference. I posted it without reviewing it.

I don't think I need to say much to extend this discuss. It's evident English was around 700 years ago. The word Lord has been in existence. But Jehovah wasn't. When actually was it created?

Who first translated it? I am asking how was YHWH changed to Yahweh and then to Jehovah?

Secondly, Satan made God test Job. His family was destroyed. Many were killed.
Even if he gained more after, it still remains that he suffered a calamity orchestrated by Satan through God according to the Bible.

I shouldn't say Satan whined God though! God can't be controlled though.

And lastly, the concept of Soul has been finally put to rest in my last comment.

Your New testament was translated from Greek. I brought the Greek equivalent for the word translated as Soul. The real meaning of that word is spirit.

But it seems you are bent on sticking with your views than the truth!

AntiChristian:


I don't think I need to say much to extend this discuss. It's evident English was around 700 years ago. The word Lord has been in existence. But Jehovah wasn't. When actually was it created?

Who first translated it? I am asking how was YHWH changed to Yahweh and then to Jehovah?

Secondly, Satan made God test Job. His family was destroyed. Many were killed.
Even if he gained more after, it still remains that he suffered a calamity orchestrated by Satan through God according to the Bible.

I shouldn't say Satan whined God though! God can't be controlled though.

And lastly, the concept of Soul has been finally put to rest in my last comment.

Your New testament was translated from Greek. I brought the Greek equivalent for the word translated as Soul. The real meaning of that word is spirit.

But it seems you are bent on sticking with your views than the truth!

The Word Jehovah isn't Greek. It is a latinized rendering of the Hebrew word JHVH and YHWH.

In the case of Job, you cannot say Satan whinned God. God was the first to start the conversation by asking 'Have you observed my servant Job...?" He asked that question hoping to use Satan to test Job.

Yeah, many were killed because they were not under the Divine protection of Almighty God. They were Satan's servants, not God's, otherwise, while Satan was busy carrying out his evil deeds, he obviously would have encountered some untouchables. God had to remove His edge from Job for Satan to be able to touch him. The same way, there's a hedge around those who genuinely follow after God today.

Yeah, God considered Job for a promotion, and that was an exam job had to pass. We still write exams today in the school of the Spirit.

Regarding Hebrews 4:12, according to Strong's dictionary, the Word rendered Soul in Hebrews 4:12 is psychēs. While the word translated Spirit is pneumatos. There's no logical reasoning for your position that says "...even to the dividing assunder of spirit and spirit."

RoyalDiadems:


The Word Jehovah isn't Greek. It is a latinized rendering of the Hebrew word JHVH and YHWH.

No one called it Greek. Who translated it? When was it translated? How was it translated from an unpronounced YHWH to Jehovah? At some point there was no name as Jehovah. So it's a creation of man.

In the case of Job, you cannot say Satan whinned God. God was the first to start the conversation by asking 'Have you observed my servant Job...?" He asked that question hoping to use Satan to test Job.

Not really. The context of the book of Job shows Satan as someone who still frolic with Angels presenting himself to God. God could have done whatever He will on his own without Satan's whine.

Yeah, many were killed because they were not under the Divine protection of Almighty God. They were Satan's servants, not God's, otherwise, while Satan was busy carrying out his evil deeds, he obviously would have encountered some untouchables. God had to remove His edge from Job for Satan to be able to touch him. The same way, there's a hedge around those who genuinely follow after God today.

Yeah, God considered Job for a promotion, and that was an exam job had to pass. We still write exams today in the school of the Spirit.

Where in the Bible does it says those killed were of Satan's? Even the animals and properties too? Haba!

Regarding Hebrews 4:12, according to Strong's dictionary, the Word rendered Soul in Hebrews 4:12 is psychēs. While the word translated Spirit is pneumatos. There's no logical reasoning for your position that says "...even to the dividing assunder of spirit and spirit."

What does that word "psychēs" mean in your own strong's concordance?

Why do you love sticking to falsehood when it's clear that you wrong?