Janosky:

Jehovah's Organization is it.
Mark1:13-15. 1 Corinthians 3:23. Acts 3:13. Isaiah 43:10-12.
Deal with it.

what is this organisation? Is it Jehovah? Jesus? The angels? The bible? The Christian congregation? What?

Timalt:
This is a follow up of my response to the half truths, and logical fallacies presented by Janosky and his cohorts.

Cc Rozz I hope you are still reading, as I continue to present more readily accessible facts.

Again, Let us not forget the reason why I have to invoke a small part of my arsenal of evidence against Janosky. Here is what he said

1)
He clearly claims there is no child sex abuse among the Jehovah's witnesses ranks, that it's all alleged by enemies of the Watchtower.

Now let us here from the horses mouth. And who better than the Watchtower itself. See what the Watchtower May 2019 study article of Jehovah's witnesses has to say

"Sadly, child sexual abuse is a worldwide plague, and true Christians have been affected by this plague. Why? “Wicked men and impostors” abound, and some may try to enter the congregation. (2 Tim. 3:13) In addition, some professing to be a part of the congregation have succumbed to perverted fleshly desires and have sexually abused children. Let us discuss why child abuse is such a grave sin. Then we will consider how elders handle instances of serious wrongdoing, including child abuse, and how parents can protect their children" - May Watchtower 2019, par 3.

Below is the direct link to the direct watchtower that I just quoted. See for yourself.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-may-2019/love-justice-face-of-wickedness/

2)
Also I attached the screenshot below.

There you have it, my people. A clear, open, admission that Child Sex abuse is within their ranks. Infact that watchtower for May 2020 was primarily for child sex abuse problem within their organization and how it is handled.

Infact according to their secret elders book that is available for download online, they now ask people if they had committed child sex abuse before they are appointed to different offices in their ranks.

Also take your time to go through the following links to cases where their elders and ministerial servants (their clergy) have been convicted and sent to prison. It is public knowledge. A simple Google search will lead you BBC website and other top media agencies coverage of this badness among their ranks.

1) https://www.hughjames.com/blog/jehovah%E2%80%99s-witness-elder-sentenced-to-nine-years-in-prison-for-sexual-abuse

2) https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-wales-46131196

3) https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/28/australian-jehovahs-witnesses-protected-over-a-thousand-members-accused-of-child-abuse-report-says/%3foutputType=amp

Now watch the screenshot below

In my next post, I would expose the lie by Janosky that the Australian Royal Commission 8 day proceedings videos were edited. That's a pretty funny and naive thing to say sha. But I don't blame him. He's battling with cognitive dissonance.

I will be providing links to The official website of the Australian royal commission - which is the Highest form of Enquiry on matters of public importance in Australia.

Thank you

Timalt HYPOCRITE who FALSELY accused JWs of child abuse cover up is presenting EVIDENCE to Nairaland that JWs are handling the issue with ZERO tolerance.


The JW Policy of Child Protection have long been in use worldwide even before the Australian Royal Commission was set up.

Timalt been attacking JWs with upandan with EMPTY NOISE & TWISTED my posts

For the umpteenth time, I challenge Timalt to provide Evidence to Nairaland where himself or his Church have reported cases of statutory rape or sexual abuse to the Police which resulted in the conviction of the offender..

Timalt have turned Nairaland into a kangaroo court session to pass his BIGOTED, HYPOCRITICAL judgment on JWs.

In the same manner, Timalt CONSISTENTLY FAILED to show ZERO EVIDENCE of his child sexual abuse advocacy/activism .

I fear who no fear HYPOCRITICAL WAYO Timalt.

Peacefullove:
Yeah. Let's begin.



You Actually denied Jacob fought an angel until I show your errors. Clearly you are the one with the reasoning reduced to a level of toddler with low IQ not me.

Here is your words



Are you now admitting there was mention of Angel ?

Yeye



Later you will claim someone insult, is it frustration that made you typed the above ? Sorry o

Rozz shey you see am



Earlier you said there was no mention of Angel remember, Good you are learning


Let's proceed



So God is an ANGEL ??



You are still Yet to deny an Angel is called God.


Frustration at highlighted



All the bible translations say the angel Jacob fought with is God !!! So where is the Jw issue here ?


Who did Jacob fought with ?

Who did Jacob wrestle with?

Gen 32:28
And he said, Your name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince have you power with God and with men, and have prevailed.

According to English NWT , is Jesus your "God" or "god"?

Before you start rambling again, the Webster English dictionary says


Definition: god
noun
\ ˈgäd, also ˈgȯd \
Collegiate Definition (Entry 1 of 2)
1capitalized :
the supreme or ultimate reality: such as
a: the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe
b. Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind

2: a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship
specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
Greek gods of love and war

3: a person or thing of supreme value
had photos of baseball's gods pinned to his bedroom wall
4: a powerful ruler
Hollywood gods that control our movies' fates

verb
god​ded; god​ding
Collegiate Definition (Entry 2 of 2)
transitive ​verb
: to treat as a god : IDOLIZE, DEIFY
Synonyms & Antonyms
Synonyms: noun
Allah, Almighty, Author, Creator, deity, Divinity, Eternal, Everlasting, Father, Godhead, Jehovah, King, Lord, Maker, Providence, Supreme Being, Yahweh (also Jahveh)(or Yahveh)


Again:
According to English NWT , is Jesus your "God" or "god"?

Janosky:


Timalt MUMU Na Doctorate (PhD) Level.
Very Correct MUGU.

1st EVIDENCE
Can you show us where the word "Bible" is found Genesis to Revelation?
Does you agree you possess a copy of the Bible and it exists?

What is an organization?
Simply put a group of people working for the same purpose and interest having a structure of authority.
1 Cor 3:23..
You belong to Christ and in turn,Christ belongs to God".
Jehovah is at the helm of Authority, He leads Christ and all His servants in the physical realm as well as the spiritual realm..

Timalt is a PhD certified MUGU.

2nd EVIDENCE


(Let's look at the secular world, your Presido no dey do Council meeting?
Is that not the Governing Body directing the affairs of the land? FOOLISH MUGU !!!!)


Timalt the MUGU LYING HYPOCRITE FALSELY claims it was just one council meeting in Jerusalem.
Let's see how it all began.....
Acts 2:41-42 , " in that day, 3,000 people were baptized and they continued devoting themselves to the teaching of the apostles."

Who taught the Apostles?
John 15:15, Jesus Christ taught them.
Who taught Jesus Christ?
John 7:16, John 15:15, The Father and God of Jesus Christ taught His son.
This is Jehovah's organization in full swing teaching millions of Jehovah's servants everywhere.

Who makes decisions for Jehovah's servants back then ?
Acts 6:1-6, The Governing Body of Apostles...

Who intervened for Paul in Jerusalem that gave him freedom to mingle freely with believers?
Acts 9:26-28 .... The Governing Body of Apostles intervened...

Whose instructions did Paul pass on to believers in Derbe, Lystra and Iconium?
Acts 16:6 , The orders and decrees of the Governing Body of Apostles in Jerusalem.

Timalt ,Did all Congregation of believers in everywhere RECEIVE orders and instructions from the Governing Body of Apostles& Elders in Jerusalem?

Timalt, PhD certified MUGU, Rolf Furuli and your gang of DELUDED HYPOCRITES, SHAME on you

This was the FIRST QESTION........Ask them where the word organization

From your answer above it is GOOD as NOWHERE.

Then you will still have to contend with where is the WTBTS called God's ORGANIZATION in the scripture one such that everyone needs to put faith in to GAIN salvation.

Where in the Acts of Apostles did it call the Apostles and Elders "GOVERNING BODY"

Acts 15:22 talks about the elders, apostles and the whole CONGREGATION are all these GOVERNING MEMBERS?

why was the concept changing from Verb to NOUN in the case of the ORGANIZATION you are a member of.

Then the main issue.........was even the concept of a top down totalitarian, legalistic, dictatorial, autocratic organization found in the First century?

You didn't address any of it.

Did you read Galatians 1, 2 before you go on with the above?

Do you know where the below came FROM?


Well, is it the body of apostles and of other elders of the Jerusalem congregation that summoned them up there and say, “Look here! We have heard that you two men have gone out on a missionary tour and finished it and you haven’t come up here to Jerusalem to report to us. DO YOU KNOW WHO WE ARE? WE ARE THE COUNCIL OF JERUSALEM. DON’T YOU RECOGNIZE THE HEADSHIP OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST? If you don’t come up here in a hurry, we’re going to take disciplinary action against you!” Is that what the account says? Well, if they had acted that way toward Paul and Barnabas because they reported to the congregation [which was in Antioch, not Jerusalem] by means of which the holy spirit had sent them out, then this council of apostles at Jerusalem and other elders of the Jewish congregation would have put themselves above the headship of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Maximus69:


Haaaaaaaaaaa!

Rozz!

If you say so my young lady.

If you say so!

But don't forget that you can be a better soldier than Maximus, only if you are ready to follow the real Jesus, NOT their imaginary spirit that's teaching them contradicting doctrines!

I once posted the type of nail polish that i bought for my wife, and one of these misinformed churchgoers was like
"dragon nails"!

false jw mad max, i agree with him, it's one suitable name for them ugly nails

is he a churchgoer?
and i didn't see his misinformation you talking about, care to post it?
or you just lying as usual:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


YUK!!!

www.nairaland.com/attachments/11468011_screenshot20200503153539_jpegbe41fc6bf0e2f054091b28249ef276ca

https://www.nairaland.com/5832056/what-most-unattractive-thing-woman/2#89142602

Maximus69:
I posted this to prove that people who will inherit the earth will enjoy richly blessings as well, because angels who lived in heaven came down because of beautiful female humans!

Undoubtedly they aren't enjoying the feeling of different genders in heaven! Luke 2034-36

so false jw mad max, you think that posting a pic of long finger nails
proves that those who inherit the earth will enjoy rich blessings - how deluded

and you glorify fallen angels implying the women they had on earth
is better than what they had in heaven

i remind you again that you are of course, truly of your father the devil:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

^^^ and wow post after post don't you false jw's lie, lying is your natural language, just like it's your daddy's

rottennaija:


Guy, you can breath without imagining what I'm thinking about? I mean don't you get tire? Do you dream about me in your sleep? Did I qualify anything when I mentioned not my type? I don't have time for people with low IQ.

Abeg shift make I hear words.

I have heard you Sir!

I'm only wondering how you jumped into a friendly chatting between Rozz and i, then after mentioning Maximus and Rozz you add Masturbation as if you're not dreaming about the two of us!

Oga Jesus said "do to others what you expect from them" but you rottennaija gossiped about Maximus69 and Rozz and you're now complaining when i tried the same with you!

shadeyinka:

Who did Jacob wrestle with?

Gen 32:28
And he said, Your name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince have you power with God and with men, and have prevailed.

According to English NWT , is Jesus your "God" or "god"?

Before you start rambling again, the Webster English dictionary says


Definition: god
noun
\ ˈgäd, also ˈgȯd \
Collegiate Definition (Entry 1 of 2)
1capitalized :
the supreme or ultimate reality: such as
a: the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe
b. Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind

2: a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship
specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
Greek gods of love and war

3: a person or thing of supreme value
had photos of baseball's gods pinned to his bedroom wall
4: a powerful ruler
Hollywood gods that control our movies' fates

verb
god​ded; god​ding
Collegiate Definition (Entry 2 of 2)
transitive ​verb
: to treat as a god : IDOLIZE, DEIFY
Synonyms & Antonyms
Synonyms: noun
Allah, Almighty, Author, Creator, deity, Divinity, Eternal, Everlasting, Father, Godhead, Jehovah, King, Lord, Maker, Providence, Supreme Being, Yahweh (also Jahveh)(or Yahveh)


Again:
According to English NWT , is Jesus your "God" or "god"?

Moses was also a God {Exodus 7:1} but the true God said Moses will act as God before Pharaoh.
So from there we can decipher the riddle behind this long argument, Jesus acted as God for a period of time, note how Isaiah said this "a child is born to us, a son is given to us and rulership will be on his shoulder, and his name will be called wonderful counselor, mighty God everlasting father, Prince of Peace" Isaiah 9:6

Surely Jesus served in all this capacities but not at the same time, as
©Son and child born/given to humans!
©Wonderful Counselor while he walked the earth!
©Mighty God when he controlled all the forces of nature just as Moses did in Egypt!
©Everlasting Father when he purchased obedient mankind with his blood!
©Prince of Peace: now this is the most difficult part that will cause trouble for all other religions because Jesus is now serving as Prince of Peace in the midst of his obedient children only, and the whole world could see that there is a group or organization where PEACE reigns in their midst, but let me keep the name of that group or organization for now!

So Jesus served in all these capacities but not at the same time Sir!

The idea of being a God doesn't mean he is to be worshipped in place of his father, NO but he will rule just as your dictionary has told you.

For instance, if you're an Egyptian during the time of Moses, whose order will you fear most that of Pharaoh (Egyptian king) whose order can only be in force when his armies/guards are around or that of Moses who Controls all the forces of nature?

God bless you!

johnw47:


false jw mad max, i agree with him, it's one suitable name for them ugly nails

is he a churchgoer?
and i didn't see his misinformation you talking about, care to post it?
or you just lying as usual:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


YUK!!!

www.nairaland.com/attachments/11468011_screenshot20200503153539_jpegbe41fc6bf0e2f054091b28249ef276ca

https://www.nairaland.com/5832056/what-most-unattractive-thing-woman/2#89142602

That's a beautiful one you posted there johnw47, but i don't cherish artificial things most especially when it comes to nails, i love it natural. My wife keeps her own because she knew i love it and i often buy her the best nail polish and colours!

Once again thank you johnw47, God bless you!

rottennaija:


But spirit have heads for crown, eyes for seeing, knees for bending, where white cloths... Please correct me, when you have no flesh and bone, what do spirit need cloths for? What do spirit that have no flesh and bone need buttocks for? Spirit that have no flesh and bone but have ass to sit on thrones? No bone but have head, please tell me, is head in rested on the bone skeletal structure?

It was a perfectly coin word for the description. Absolutely brilliant.

Jozzy4
Janosky
Maximus69
Achorladey
Timalt

If you have sense , You wont have type this nonsense above .

"for a spirit does not have flesh and bones" Luke 24:39

shadeyinka:

Who did Jacob wrestle with?

Gen 32:28
And he said, Your name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince have you power with God and with men, and have prevailed.

According to English NWT , is Jesus your "God" or "god"?

Before you start rambling again, the Webster English dictionary says


Definition: god
noun
\ ˈgäd, also ˈgȯd \
Collegiate Definition (Entry 1 of 2)
1capitalized :
the supreme or ultimate reality: such as
a: the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe
b. Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind

2: a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship
specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
Greek gods of love and war

3: a person or thing of supreme value
had photos of baseball's gods pinned to his bedroom wall
4: a powerful ruler
Hollywood gods that control our movies' fates

verb
god​ded; god​ding
Collegiate Definition (Entry 2 of 2)
transitive ​verb
: to treat as a god : IDOLIZE, DEIFY
Synonyms & Antonyms
Synonyms: noun
Allah, Almighty, Author, Creator, deity, Divinity, Eternal, Everlasting, Father, Godhead, Jehovah, King, Lord, Maker, Providence, Supreme Being, Yahweh (also Jahveh)(or Yahveh)


Again:
According to English NWT , is Jesus your "God" or "god"?

You still can't deny the one Jacob fought with was called God. MUMU

So Jesus is that angel that fought with Jacob ?? Let me get you clearly before I nail you

Janosky:


Timalt HYPOCRITE who FALSELY accused JWs of child abuse cover up is presenting EVIDENCE to Nairaland that JWs are handling the issue with ZERO tolerance.


The JW Policy of Child Protection have long been in use worldwide even before the Australian Royal Commission was set up.

Timalt been attacking JWs with upandan with EMPTY NOISE & TWISTED my posts

For the umpteenth time, I challenge Timalt to provide Evidence to Nairaland where himself or his Church have reported cases of statutory rape or sexual abuse to the Police which resulted in the conviction of the offender..

Timalt have turned Nairaland into a kangaroo court session to pass his BIGOTED, HYPOCRITICAL judgment on JWs.

In the same manner, Timalt CONSISTENTLY FAILED to show ZERO EVIDENCE of his child sexual abuse advocacy/activism .

I fear who no fear HYPOCRITICAL WAYO Timalt.

All Insults and no substance.

This is supposedly the Jehovahs witness who claims they are a peaceful people.

He quoted me 5 times without one proof of a governing body in Jerusalem (consisting of the apostles and elders).

Not one single proof. Because we have perforated his lie, he resorts to insults. What a show of shame.

My submissions were and remains that
1) the word governing body is found no where in the Bible, just like jw's are happy to say trinity is not found in the Bible.

2) the concept of a governing body is not taught in the Bible. Jesus told his disciples. "All of you are brothers". There were brothers taking the lead in the various congregations as is shown throughout the Bible, but no Christian "governed" a fellow Christian.

3) the council meeting of the apostles and elders in Jerusalem in Acts 15 was a one time event and it was because the persons who had gone to create trouble for the gentiles and hang the yoke of circumcision were jews from Jerusalem. So it had to be them who would solve the issue.

4) there is no other recorded account of this council reoccurring in the Bible again.

5) important : The Apostles were the ones who took the foremost lead in the first century. But they were not a governing body, they were not always at the same place at all times. Paul was a missionary, Apostle John was on an Island in Patmos. Peter had his own ministry. These apostles did not have to contact Jerusalem before making decisions. Infact when. Paul was made an apostle, there is no biblical account that shows he went to Jerusalem to receive his assignment from a supposed "governing body".

After the apostles died, there was no Apostolic succession. This is something the jehovah's witnesses teach in their books. They teach that there was no Apostolic succession, I can quote it directly from their reasoning book if anyone wants it. Except the Jehovah's witnesses want to tell us that they are successors of the Apostles now. Which would be hilarious

From Acts 16:1-6 Apostle Paul delivered the result of the meeting they had in Jerusalem in Acts 15 : 1- 41 to the gentile Christians. The decisions or observance to be adhered to were "to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality".


From all the scriptures he was throwing around, I did not see a governing body in the Bible or even the concept of it. Everyone is free to check it. All I saw was the "apostles". Not the apostles and the elders. The one that mentioned Apostles and elders in Acts 16 was still the same reference to the Acts 15 council meeting of Elders and Apostles.
Let us even ask, Are jehovah's witnesses leaders an apostolic succession?

For anyone who would like to hear the other side of the jw teachings, things they will not tell you at the door, please visit www.jwfacts.com

www.jwfacts.com
www.ajwrb.org
www.jwsurvey.org

Peacefullove:


If you have sense , You wont have type this nonsense above .

"for a spirit does not have flesh and bones" Luke 24:39

But in the description in Revelation, they have head where crowns are worn. Please tell me, where are heads located? On the shoulder right?
In the description in Revelation, those same spirit are mention as kneeling, sitting on thrones ,wearing white clothes among others

So spirit have heads for crown, knees for bending, where white cloths... Please correct me, when you have no flesh and bone, what do spirit need cloths for? What do spirit that have no flesh and bone need buttocks for? Spirit that have no flesh and bone but have ass to sit on thrones? No bone but have head, please tell me, is head in rested on the bone skeletal structure?

It was a perfectly coin word for the description. But I bet you never thought of these before.

johnw47:


So false jw mad max, you think that posting a pic of long finger nails
proves that those who inherit the earth will enjoy rich blessings!

When the Bible talked about the earth and all the richly blessings awaiting those who will inherit it, faithful individuals could start thinking of what they will enjoy most by then.

One man's meat is another man's poison, God's word has pronounced God's WILL for the earth, so as a child of God i don't think there should be any grudge over what each individual chooses to like most in the things mentioned in our father's WILL!

You are also free to pick your choice Sir!

According to the Bible angels abandoned their duties, left heaven for the earth only for them to come having sex with female humans {Genesis 6:1-6} nobody knows what caused that until Jesus came to tell us that there is nothing like males and females in heaven, they're all the same gender if viewed from man's perspective! Luke 20:35

Please it's time to start thinking about your future and the blessings that awaits you whether you're going to heaven like the Born Again Christians or will inherit the earth like other faithful servants of God in ancient times!

What most people don't know is that there were times in the past when heaven also had lots of problems due to the presence of rebellious angels, until Jesus (Michael) was given the authority to start ruling, that was when he ousted all of them and Satan from heaven! Revelations 12:7-12

Please remove the fear that the earth may never have peace from your heart Sir, when God's kingdom (headed by Michael) began ruling the earth, there will be complete peace NOT only amongst JWs as we're seeing it today but throughout the earth! Psalms 37:9-11 compare to Matthew 6:9-10

So believe this Sir, it's not Maximus69's word but God's promise! Revelations 21:3-5

God bless you!

rottennaija:


But in the description in Revelation, they have head where crowns are worn. Please tell me, where are heads located? On the shoulder right?
In the description in Revelation, those same spirit are mention as kneeling, sitting on thrones ,wearing white clothes among others

So spirit have heads for crown, knees for bending, where white cloths... Please correct me, when you have no flesh and bone, what do spirit need cloths for? What do spirit that have no flesh and bone need buttocks for? Spirit that have no flesh and bone but have ass to sit on thrones? No bone but have head, please tell me, is head in rested on the bone skeletal structure?

It was a perfectly coin word for the description. But I bet you never thought of these before.

They were no humans. God of the bible, A Spirit was given virtually some of this descriptions too, Does that make him Human ? I repeat u still dont have sense.

Peacefullove:


They were no humans. God of the bible, A Spirit was given virtually some of this descriptions too, Does that make him Human ? I repeat u still dont have sense.

Your headache. Not mind.

rottennaija:


Your headache. Not mind.

Which head ache , I gave you a perfect quote that rebutted everything you typed. A Spirit does not have flesh and bones. Which is the composition of Humans.

You are still talking nonsense, This is why I asked, God of the bible was given such descriptions , does that make him Human ?? Brain dead !!!

Peacefullove:


Which head ache , I gave you a perfect quote that rebutted everything you typed. A Spirit does not have flesh and bones. Which is the composition of Humans.

You are still talking nonsense, This is why I asked, God of the bible was given such descriptions , does that make him Human ?? Brain dead !!!

But wear cloths? Sit on thrones with ass? Wears crown? Tell me, how do you describe that? What structural systems supports that?

You have been first to rush to insult. Hope you taking notes because I'm ignoring it. That was how Maximus69 was busy abusing me everywhere when we first had encounter in nairaland. I have limits to insult. If you are going to debate, debate constructively, avoid the name calling and insults I beg of you.

rottennaija:


But wear cloths? Sit on thrones with ass? Wears crown? Tell me, how do you describe that? What structural systems supports that?

You are a FOOL!

So God of the bible described as sitting in thrones means he is human ??

I think we should study our bibble with an open mind,i have come across verses in Numbers and Acts where it is clearly stated what the JWs are trying to pass across

Timalt:

All Insults and no substance.

This is supposedly the Jehovahs witness who claims they are a peaceful people.

He quoted me 5 times without one proof of a governing body in Jerusalem (consisting of the apostles and elders).

Not one single proof. Because we have perforated his lie, he resorts to insults. What a show of shame.

My submissions were and remains that
1) the word governing body is found no where in the Bible, just like jw's are happy to say trinity is not found in the Bible.

2) the concept of a governing body is not taught in the Bible. Jesus told his disciples. "All of you are brothers". There were brothers taking the lead in the various congregations as is shown throughout the Bible, but no Christian "governed" a fellow Christian.

3) the council meeting of the apostles and elders in Jerusalem in Acts 15 was a one time event and it was because the persons who had gone to create trouble for the gentiles and hang the yoke of circumcision were jews from Jerusalem. So it had to be them who would solve the issue.

4) there is no other recorded account of this council reoccurring in the Bible again.

5) important : The Apostles were the ones who took the foremost lead in the first century. But they were not a governing body, they were not always at the same place at all times. Paul was a missionary, Apostle John was on an Island in Patmos. Peter had his own ministry. These apostles did not have to contact Jerusalem before making decisions. Infact when. Paul was made an apostle, there is no biblical account that shows he went to Jerusalem to receive his assignment from a supposed "governing body".

After the apostles died, there was no Apostolic succession. This is something the jehovah's witnesses teach in their books. They teach that there was no Apostolic succession, I can quote it directly from their reasoning book if anyone wants it. Except the Jehovah's witnesses want to tell us that they are successors of the Apostles now. Which would be hilarious

From Acts 16:1-6 Apostle Paul delivered the result of the meeting they had in Jerusalem in Acts 15 : 1- 41 to the gentile Christians. The decisions or observance to be adhered to were "to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality".


From all the scriptures he was throwing around, I did not see a governing body in the Bible or even the concept of it. Everyone is free to check it. All I saw was the "apostles". Not the apostles and the elders. The one that mentioned Apostles and elders in Acts 16 was still the same reference to the Acts 15 council meeting of Elders and Apostles.
Let us even as, Are jehovah's witnesses leaders an apostolic succession?

For anyone who would like to hear the other side of the jw teachings, things they will not tell you at the door, please visit www.jwfacts.com

www.jwfacts.com
www.ajwrb.org
www.jwsurvey.org

The idea of a Governing Body surely has it's root during the first century Christian congregation Sir, but it wasn't mentioned just as you've said!

First of all we need to clarify matters, what you said about cases not reoccurring in the first century where the Apostles had to decide for all Christians happened many times Sir! Act 2:42, 15:2, 16:4

Secondly the twelve Apostles were stationed in Jerusalem, they remained there until Roman armies came to destroy the city, then the remaining ones who had not been killed were scattered, but before then they remained in Jerusalem as the Governing Body of all the Christian congregations back then, and it's there orders that all Christians adhere STRICTLY to, that's why Paul also keep reporting to them! Act 16:3-4

What most Bible readers failed to notice is what Jesus appointed Paul for, Jesus specifically chose Paul to be the Apostle for the nations {Act 9:15 compare to 1Timothy 2:7} so while the 12 Apostles were chosen to connect Jews to Jesus {Matthew 10:6} Paul's ministry was specifically targeted at people of other nations, that's why he was the one writing letters to them about how they must practice Christianity based on his experience with them! That's why most people do thought Paul's letters should be ignored because he wrote those letters with the intention of setting standards not as if he was just giving advices, and that's proper because Jesus will never acknowledge any individual who despises a single word from Paul (the Apostle Jesus specifically chose to connect you to himself)!

And as for TRINITY that you guys are erecting as a pillar against the concept of Governing Body. I want you to know that the title General Overseer (GO) never appeared in the Bible but Jehovah's Witnesses recognise the title as that of one man overseeing his own Church. That was the title the Bible students also wanted to give Charles Taze Russell before the light (Jesus in the spirit) came to help them realize that it's wrong, they discovered that apart from Jesus there was no time a single person served in that capacity amongst the first century Christians, rather it was the twelve Apostles that served together as a group overseeing all the congregations throughout that time. That's why we concluded that the concept of Governing Body is more appropriate than that of the General Overseer!

Of course Jesus said "by their FRUIT you will know them" {Matthew 7:20} so far so good the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization have proved to be a tree that's producing the fruit benefitial unlike the General Overseers of TRINITY churches whose members aren't recognizable by fine deeds! Matthew 7:16-18

God bless you!

Rozz:
I think we shouldnt study our bibble with an open mind,i have come across verses in Numbers and Acts where it is clearly stated what the JWs are trying to pass across

Of course we must be 100% alert to what is not sound! Act 17:11

But the truth still remains that Jesus sent people to teach people {Matthew 28:20; Romans 10:13-15} Jesus is not teaching anybody separately!

Maximus69:


The idea of a Governing Body surely has it's root during the first century Christian congregation Sir, but it wasn't mentioned just as you've said!

First of all we need to clarify matters, what you said about cases not reoccurring in the first century where the Apostles had to decide for all Christians happened many times Sir! Act 2:42, 15:2, 16:4

Secondly the twelve Apostles were stationed in Jerusalem, they remained there until Roman armies came to destroy the city, then the remaining ones who had not been killed were scattered, but before then they remained in Jerusalem as the Governing Body of all the Christian congregations back then, and it's there orders that all Christians adhere STRICTLY to, that's why Paul also keep reporting to them! Act 16:3-4

What most Bible readers failed to notice is what Jesus appointed Paul for, Jesus specifically chose Paul to be the Apostle for the nations {Act 9:15 compare to 1Timothy 2:7} so while the 12 Apostles were chosen to connect Jews to Jesus {Matthew 10:6} Paul's ministry was specifically targeted at people of other nations, that's why he was the one writing letters to them about how they must practice Christianity based on his experience with them! That's why most people do thought Paul's letters should be ignored because he wrote those letters with the intention of setting standards not as if he was just giving advices, and that's proper because Jesus will never acknowledge any individual who despises a single word from Paul (the Apostle Jesus specifically chose to connect you to himself)!

And as for TRINITY that you guys are erecting as a pillar against the concept of Governing Body. I want you to know that the title General Overseer (GO) never appeared in the Bible but Jehovah's Witnesses recognise the title as that of one man overseeing his own Church. That was the title the Bible students also wanted to give Charles Taze Russell before the light (Jesus in the spirit) came to help them realize that it's wrong, they discovered that apart from Jesus there was no time a single person served in that capacity amongst the first century Christians, rather it was the twelve Apostles that served together as a group overseeing all the congregations throughout that time. That's why we concluded that the concept of Governing Body is more appropriate than that of the General Overseer!

Of course Jesus said "by their FRUIT you will know them" {Matthew 7:20} so far so good the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization have proved to be a tree that's producing the fruit benefitial unlike the General Overseers of TRINITY churches whose members aren't recognizable by fine deeds! Matthew 7:16-18

God bless you!

Please I want you to prove this with references.

and it's there orders that all Christians adhere STRICTLY to, that's why Paul also keep reporting to them! Act 16:3-4

You said Paul kept reporting to them. Please prove it with Atleast 3 scriptures of Paul doing this.

Again remember that your organizations understanding of governing body is the apostles and elders. Not the apostles only. Except you are now telling me that you now have an apostolic succession.

Please prove what you claimed with references.

Again, you keep making assertions about what I don't believe in. Did I talk about General overseer here? I have told you I don't belong to a denomination for a thousand times now.

Stick to the topic and provide proof for your claim. We are waiting...

By the way, remember like I said, Acts 16 :1 - 6 was simply the Apostle Paul sharing the result of the meeting in Acts 15 to the gentile Christians.

Thank you

Peacefullove:

You are a FOOL!
So God of the bible described as sitting in thrones means he is human ??

Just explain to him why Jesus is referred to as the word! John 1:1
This same Jesus said "i am using earthly things familiar to teach you, yet you're not grasping it, what will happen if i should start teaching using heavenly things that you have not seen before?" John 3:12

Jesus is the angel God used to communicate with all the inspired writers, so he uses familiar things help humans grasp what is happening in heaven, but that doesn't mean God and angels are like us (fleshy creatures)!

Rozz:
I think we should study our bibble with an open mind,i have come across verses in Numbers and Acts where it is clearly stated what the JWs are trying to pass across

This your post will have to do with the blood issue. I believe I am correct?


Regarding OPEN MIND as equally captured in your post........

From the interaction you have had so far with the JWs. Will JWs go to jwfacts or related websites concerning any of their beliefs?


WT 09/15/2010

" Similarly today, a Governing Body composed of spirit-anointed Christians contributes to the unity of the worldwide congregation. The Governing Body publishes spiritually encouraging literature in many languages. This spiritual food is based on God's Word. Thus, what is taught is not from men but from Jehovah.-Isa. 54:13."

It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision." Watchtower 1957 Jun 15 p.370

Therefore the slave’s will is Jehovah’s will. Rebellion against the slave is rebellion against God (W 6/1/56, p 346.ar. 11)

The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food


All of the above is to make you see why JWS need to be open minded about what they believe.



But is it not a fact that many people have closed minds when it comes to religion? Some even reject the idea of a Supreme Being and are unwilling to listen to the evidence of his existence presented by believers. For them religion is a closed subject.

Even some religious people have closed minds. They are interested only in “their” religion, showing no willingness to as much as listen to the views of others. And even though they may not have chosen their religion but simply have inherited it from their parents, still they feel that their religion must be right. But not every inheritance is necessarily good. A quick temper, a selfish attitude or a deceitful spirit can also be parental hand-me-downs, but they are definitely undesirable.

What makes a religion right is its total adherence to God’s Word. Whether our religion meets this criterion or not can only be determined by open-mindedly comparing it with the Bible. Certainly such an important matter as our worship of God should not be determined for us by the coincidence of where we were born. After all, the child born to Catholic parents has had no more control over this fact than the child born to Muslim parents controls that.


Did you see WHY rottennaija took the decision he did why HIS parents are still a member of the ORGANIZATION but Mr Maximus69 don't want to accept it?


They conclude the material by using Catholic and Muslims, you could asked why not JWs parents?

You can add to the last part.........After all, the child born to Jehovah's witnesses parents has had no more control over this fact than the child born to Muslim parents controls that.



A closed mind may betray a lack of interest in the subject or a reluctance to look into the matter. In fact, it could even be a sign of uncertainty or doubt. For example, if we are unable to defend our religious views, we may find ourselves lashing out against those who challenge our beliefs, not with logical arguments, but with slurs and innuendos. This smacks of prejudice and of a closed mind

The material makes case for TOTAL ADHERENCE to the BIBLE. Ask any JWs where in the BIBLE are we asked to put faith in a visible ORGANIZATION(WTBTS) for SALVATION?

Do JWs even believe they are in TOTAL ADHERENCE to the BIBLE?

JWs urged people to be open-minded about their materials but same JWs tells it members to destroy any materials critical of their BELIEFS. After all they belief those producing such materials are MENTALLY DISEASED



https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101984841

Oga Maximus69 I am waiting o.

Where are the Bible verses that shows that Paul kept reporting to a "supposed governing body" in Jerusalem

we are all still waiting o... Abeg no too delay

achorladey:

Regarding OPEN MIND

JWs urged people to be open-minded about their materials but same JWs tells it members to destroy any materials critical of their BELIEFS. After all they belief those producing such materials are MENTALLY DISEASED

@Rozz

I'm responding to this comment because of you, you talked about being open-minded, but achorladey is trying to say the same should be applicable to Jehovah's Witnesses members!

First of all let me start by saying "you're wrong Sir"!

Why? Because Jehovah's Witnesses are sent to come and meet you in your homes in order to share what the Bible teaches with you NOT to compare your beliefs with their own!
So to do this both of you will have to read the scriptures carefully, meditate on what it says thoroughly and look for ways to apply it for the benefit of one and all!

When Jesus began his ministry, he preached and taught people so many things, but at a point in time he told his own close friends to STOP LISTENING TO CRITICS WHO DON'T HAVE SOUND TEACHING! Matthew 16:5-12

Jesus said this not to all those listening to him but to those who have decipher the difference between what is benefitial and teachings that's of no benefit! Isaiah 48:17-18

Please Jehovah's Witnesses are following the footsteps of Jesus, we don't tell someone who hasn't notice the BENEFITS of our teachings not to listen to others, of course they can't be sure of what they're learning if there is no comparison!

But once i have gotten the sense of what is benefitial, seen the benefits with my own eyes and dedicated my life to doing it, what else do i have with what i've left behind knowing fully well that none of those practicing those things can see 0.01 of the benefits that God's people are enjoying?

Please, how do you define a mentally deranged individual, if not by watching him/her saying things that's not practical?

Certainly anyone speaking against Jehovah's Witnesses Organization after seeing all what this group have achieved so far, but can't point to a better performing group, yet speaking against the one that's practically making changes in the lifestyle of people from different races under the heavens to the extent that they have come together to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers.

Certainly the brain of such a critics need to be examined!

Maximus69:


@Rozz

I'm responding to this comment because of you, you talked about being open-minded, but achorladey is trying to say the same should be applicable to Jehovah's Witnesses members!

First of all let me start by saying "you're wrong Sir"!

Why? Because Jehovah's Witnesses are sent to come and meet you in your homes in order to share what the Bible teaches with you NOT to compare your beliefs with their own!
So to do this both of you will have to read the scriptures carefully, meditate on what it says thoroughly and look for ways to apply it for the benefit of one and all!

When Jesus began his ministry, he preached and taught people so many things, but at a point in time he told his own close friends to STOP LISTENING TO CRITICS WHO DON'T HAVE SOUND TEACHING! Matthew 16:5-12

Jesus said this not to all those listening to him but to those who have decipher the difference between what is benefitial and teachings that's of no benefit! Isaiah 48:17-18

Please Jehovah's Witnesses are following the footsteps of Jesus, we don't tell someone who hasn't notice the BENEFITS of our teachings not to listen to others, of course they can't be sure of what they're learning if there is no comparison!

But once i have gotten the sense of what is benefitial, seen the benefits with my own eyes and dedicated my life to doing it, what else do i have with what i've left behind knowing fully well that none of those practicing those things can see 0.01 of the benefits that God's people are enjoying?

Please, how do you define a mentally deranged individual, if not by watching him/her saying things that's not practical?

Certainly anyone speaking against Jehovah's Witnesses Organization after seeing all what this group have achieved so far, but can't point to a better performing group, yet speaking against the one that's practically making changes in the lifestyle of people from different races under the heavens to the extent that they have come together to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers.

Certainly the brain of such a critics need to be examined!

I am still waiting for proof of this in the Bible o.

and it's there orders that all Christians adhere STRICTLY to, that's why Paul also keep reporting to them! Act 16:3-4

You said Paul kept reporting to them. Please prove it with Atleast 3 scriptures of Paul doing this.

Provide the scriptures to back what you said sir. Let the world watch and see another lie from Maximus69. He has even refused to reply me

Cc Rozz all I want to quote for you is 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "But test all things, hold fast to what is good"

This scripture is for everyone too. Before you join any religion, not just jehovah's witnesses, always do what that Bible verse says.

Any religion and I mean any religion that discourages you from testing some things and tries to control what you read about them, hmm. Be careful.

Oga Maximus69 please for heavens sake give us the Bible verses na

Cc : rottennaija
Achorladey

Maximus69:


@Rozz

I'm responding to this comment because of you, you talked about being open-minded, but achorladey is trying to say the same should be applicable to Jehovah's Witnesses members!

First of all let me start by saying "you're wrong Sir"!

Why? Because Jehovah's Witnesses are sent to come and meet you in your homes in order to share what the Bible teaches with you NOT to compare your beliefs with their own!
So to do this both of you will have to read the scriptures carefully, meditate on what it says thoroughly and look for ways to apply it for the benefit of one and all!

When Jesus began his ministry, he preached and taught people so many things, but at a point in time he told his own close friends to STOP LISTENING TO CRITICS WHO DON'T HAVE SOUND TEACHING! Matthew 16:5-12

The post touch you decided to come out of your I AM THROUGH with you SABATICAL.

YOU cannot even quote all of the Matthew 16: 5-12 you cited and you went ahead to say STOP LISTENING to CRITCS which confirmed my post. It says so much about the OPEN MINDEDNESS the organization preaches.

Jesus words in Matthew 23:3 fit your ORGANIZATION well and yet it does not CONTRADICT Matthew 16:12. In REALITY the PHARISEES and Sadducees are AGBEROS for CLOSED MINDEDNESS because they see JESUS as THREAT the reason they throw those who follow JESUS out of the SYNAGOGUES.

should any member of the organization say my belief are based SQUARELY on what Jesus Christ say I don't believe in the ORGANIZATION or the teaching of the GOVERNING BODY members of the organization. What will happen to that person? Your answer is as good as MINE.

Matthews 23: 3 Therefore, all the THINGS they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their DEEDS, for they say but do not practice what they SAY.

So how can THEY DO when they DONT LISTEN to what THEY TELL Oga Maximus69

The reason Jesus rightly said WATCH OUT(OPEN MINDS) for the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees in Matthew 16:12 he didn't say CLOSE YOUR EYES(CLOSED MINDS) to the TEACHING of the PHARISEES.


Rozz will equally see this......Please, how do you define a mentally deranged individual, if not by watching him/her saying things that's not practical?

You will still have to ALLOW Rozz decides to see what is practical and what is not practical. Rozz don't need to look through YOUR eyes or from your GLASSES to do so. OPEN MINDED under discussion here.


Maximus69: Certainly anyone speaking against Jehovah's Witnesses Organization after seeing all what this group have achieved so far, but can't point to a better performing group, yet speaking against the one that's practically making changes in the lifestyle of people from different races under the heavens to the extent that they have come together to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers.

Certainly the brain of such a critics need to be examined!

Achorladey: And you keep proving the more what closed mindedness is all ABOUT. The reason I asked the other time since POPULATION INCREASE in your ORGANIZATION equals God's blessing on your ORGANIZATION. Will you agree the LDS and SDA close siblings of JWs are EQUALLY enjoying God's blessings? What thou sayeth?

Timalt:


I am still waiting for proof of this in the Bible o.




You said Paul kept reporting to them. Please prove it with Atleast 3 scriptures of Paul doing this.

Provide the scriptures to back what you said sir. Let the world watch and see another lie from Maximus69. He has even refused to reply me

Cc Rozz all I want to quote for you is 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "But test all things, hold fast to what is good"

This scripture is for everyone too. Before you join any religion, not just jehovah's witnesses, always do what that Bible verse says.

Any religion and I mean any religion that discourages you from testing some things and tries to control what you read about them, hmm. Be careful.

Oga Maximus69 please for heavens sake give us the Bible verses na

Cc : rottennaija
Achorladey

Paul reporting to the Apostles in Jerusalem!

@Act 9:27
Barnabas presented Paul to the Apostles so that they could approve him as one of the preachers and teachers of the gospel, explaining to them how Jesus had dealt with Paul!

@Act 15:2
Arguments erupted amongst the Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians whether it was compulsory for everyone to be Circumcised, so because Paul and Barnabas also were confused on the issue, the first century Christians sent both Paul and Barnabas with some others to go and confirm what the Apostles and elders in Jerusalem will conclude whatever the Apostles say over this matter will be final {Matthew 16:19} neither Paul nor Barnabas has a say again on the matter!

@16:4 Paul continue his missionary journey and as he goes is declaring the order of the Apostles in Jerusalem on the issue of Faith, so that all those seeing Paul could understand that there is a group that's responsible for whatever Paul teaches them!

So according to these verses, does it seem that Paul was an independent preacher or he had the body he must report to?

Timalt:


I am still waiting for proof of this in the Bible o.




You said Paul kept reporting to them. Please prove it with Atleast 3 scriptures of Paul doing this.

Provide the scriptures to back what you said sir. Let the world watch and see another lie from Maximus69. He has even refused to reply me

Cc Rozz all I want to quote for you is 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "But test all things, hold fast to what is good"

This scripture is for everyone too. Before you join any religion, not just jehovah's witnesses, always do what that Bible verse says.

Any religion and I mean any religion that discourages you from testing some things and tries to control what you read about them, hmm. Be careful.

Oga Maximus69 please for heavens sake give us the Bible verses na

Cc : rottennaija
Achorladey

I didn't know about JW trying to control what you read about them.I only kind of reason with them over the Trinity issue

Timalt:


I am still waiting for proof of this in the Bible o.




You said Paul kept reporting to them. Please prove it with Atleast 3 scriptures of Paul doing this.

Provide the scriptures to back what you said sir. Let the world watch and see another lie from Maximus69. He has even refused to reply me

Cc Rozz all I want to quote for you is 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "But test all things, hold fast to what is good"

This scripture is for everyone too. Before you join any religion, not just jehovah's witnesses, always do what that Bible verse says.

Any religion and I mean any religion that discourages you from testing some things and tries to control what you read about them, hmm. Be careful.

Oga Maximus69 please for heavens sake give us the Bible verses na

Cc : rottennaija
Achorladey

That one will cite Bible verse and refuse to quote it. I DON'T know the reason behind that. He will rather agree Jesus is a LIAR than accept He(Maximus69)is a LIAR in order to DEFEND the ORGANIZATION he belongs.