John 10 Verse 29 My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.” 31 At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him.….

Same john 14vs28. You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
To me is seem that Bible itself contradicting, because in the first Bible quote. Jesus equate himself with God for being one while the other verse show clearly, God is greater than Jesus.

There some question u don't need to ask bro

He is an Idol created by Rome.... Has got nothing to do with God..

The Romans attached their fabricated new testament at the end of the Jewish scriptures to deceive the gullible.. And mock the creator of the Universe..

sonmvayina:
He is an Idol created by Rome.... Has got nothing to do with God..

The Romans attached their fabricated new testament at the end of the Jewish scriptures to deceive the gullible.. And mock the creator of the Universe..

If Jesus is just an Idol, then you're dead and remain in your sins, and have no salvation whatsoever!. How can you even believe that?!.

Having the form of godliness but denying the power thereof. Jesus Christ is real despite the adulterations made by men.

Do t buy 99% truth and 1% lie, before God it's 100% lie.

Primesky:


If Jesus is just an Idol, then you're dead and remain in your sins, and have no salvation whatsoever!. How can you even believe that?!.

Having the form of godliness but denying the power thereof. Jesus Christ is real despite the adulterations made by men.

Do t buy 99% truth and 1% lie, before God it's 100% lie.

2nd Chronicles 7 :14 "if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and confess their sins and forsake their evil ways, I will hear from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land"... There was never any need for Jesus, God only ask for a sincere repentance.. No human sacrifice was ever required or necessary...

Jesus has got nothing to do with God.. He was created by the Roman at the council of nicea.. Emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for his empire.. And the result was Christianity.. Educate yourself please..

ictplotter:
John 10 Verse 29 My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.” 31 At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him.….

Same john 14vs28. You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
To me is seem that Bible itself contradicting, because in the first Bible quote. Jesus equate himself with God for being one while the other verse show clearly, God is greater than Jesus.

This question has been answered tire. John 1:1 Christ is the Word of A Great Powerfull And Mighty Being.

Is your word not you, to Others? but between your word and you, who is greater? Is it not you?

Primesky:


If Jesus is just an Idol, then you're dead and remain in your sins, and have no salvation whatsoever!. How can you even believe that?!.

Having the form of godliness but denying the power thereof. Jesus Christ is real despite the adulterations made by men.

Do t buy 99% truth and 1% lie, before God it's 100% lie.

This man's wiring is frayed and has been tampered with, so his outputs make no cognitive sense.

sonmvayina:


2nd Chronicles 7 :14 "if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and confess their sins and forsake their evil ways, I will hear from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land"... There was never any need for Jesus, God only ask for a sincere repentance.. No human sacrifice was ever required or necessary...

Jesus has got nothing to do with God.. He was created by the Roman at the council of nicea.. Emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for his empire.. And the result was Christianity.. Educate yourself please..

So according to you the new testament should not exist?

Dtruthspeaker:


So according to you the new testament should not exist?

Yes, there was never any need for it.. The Jews don't have a new convenant.. It has got nothing to do with them. It is the Romans/ Greeks who attached it at the end of the Jewish scriptures.. With the sole intention of deceiving people and making mockery of the creator.

sonmvayina:


Yes, there was never any need for it.. The Jews don't have a new convenant.. It has got nothing to do with them. It is the Romans/ Greeks who attached it at the end of the Jewish scriptures.. With the sole intention of deceiving people and making mockery of the creator.

Never met an Old Testament Only person before. Is that why you argue the way you do?

sonmvayina:


Yes, there was never any need for it.. The Jews don't have a new convenant.. It has got nothing to do with them. It is the Romans/ Greeks who attached it at the end of the Jewish scriptures.. With the sole intention of deceiving people and making mockery of the creator.

Never met an Old Testament Only person before. Is that why you argue the way you do and why you have some wildly outrageous views?

Dtruthspeaker:


Never met an Old Testament Only person before. Is that why you argue the way you do and why you have some wildly outrageous views?

Lol.. Very funny.. Outrageous views.. What you Christians call the old testament belongs to the Jews, they wrote for their national religion called Judaism..they call it the tanakh. When the Romans became world empire, they stole it.. And attached their own writing at the end of it and called the new book the Bible..
There is no where in the entire tanakh (old testament) where God said he was going to send his son, for us to murder him and Believe in his death in other to be saved.. If you can provide it I will become a Christian this night... If you can't why should I take it serious?.. It means it was never God's idea... It is a fabrication.. I can't fall for it... Time and time again God says come let us reason together, confess and forsake your evil ways, I will forgive.... Never mention of the messaiah dying for sin.. To believe those Christians assertions, you have to suspend the use of logic and your brain.. If you can, then anything is believable...

I just follow God's laws, and live each day..

sonmvayina:


Lol.. Very funny.. Outrageous views.. What you Christians call the old testament belongs to the Jews, they wrote for their national religion called Judaism..they call it the tanakh. When the Romans became world empire, they stole it.. And attached their own writing at the end of it and called the new book the Bible..
There is no where in the entire tanakh (old testament) where God said he was going to send his son, for us to murder him and Believe in his death in other to be saved.. If you can provide it I will become a Christian this night... If you can't why should I take it serious?.. It means it was never God's idea... It is a fabrication.. I can't fall for it... Time and time again God says come let us reason together, confess and forsake your evil ways, I will forgive.... Never mention of the messaiah dying for sin.. To believe those Christians assertions, you have to suspend the use of logic and your brain.. If you can, then anything is believable...

I just follow God's laws, and live each day..

You have rejected the new testament, from your statement now "What you Christians call the old testament belongs to the Jews, they wrote for their national religion called Judaism.", you have also rejected the old Testament, as is your natural right and power, therefore you have no connections with us Who Accept and Stand on the Truths of the Bible, which you Reject.

Consequently your views are wild, flagrant and very unwelcome to us for you can not give us the meat we seek and neither are we ever going to accept it.

Further, neither can we give you the meat you seek, nor would you accept it, so therefore, you really have no business on Bible based threads nor here on this thread which is founded on the Bible.

So go to your own world where there is no Bible, we are not part of it, you are not part of ours and every one has their own compound. No Trespassing!

Dtruthspeaker:


You have rejected the new testament, from your statement now "What you Christians call the old testament belongs to the Jews, they wrote for their national religion called Judaism.", you have also rejected the old Testament, as is your natural right and power, therefore you have no connections with us Who Accept and Stand on the Truths of the Bible, which you Reject.

Consequently your views are wild, flagrant and very unwelcome to us for you can not give us the meat we seek and neither are we ever going to accept it.

Further, neither can we give you the meat you seek, nor would you accept it, so therefore, you really have no business on Bible based threads nor here on this thread which is founded on the Bible.

So go to your own world where there is no Bible, we are not part of it, you are not part of ours and every one has their own compound. No Trespassing!

Continue.. I am not asking you to stop worshipping Jesus. Far from it.. I am only trying to educate you to make an inform decision.. There are people that worship Messi in Barcelona and in other places round the world. They have shrines with the statues of Messi and his Jerseys.. They are still alive. Nobody is killing them. If you choose to worship a Jewish man who might or might not be a real historical figure.. Be my guest. But as for me I just follow my creators commandments.. " Do not have any other God BEFORE me". " Do not make the image or likeness of anything in heaven, on earth or under the waters below the earth, do not bow down to them or serve them".. And I refuse to go through or worship the likeness of a man as god".. Do you think God will punish me for obeying his commandments?. I go to him directly.. No mediator or intermediary... He never asked us to eat the flesh and drink the blood of the messiah in other to be saved. I consider these ritual as Roman /pagan.. I can't partake it it.. If you enjoy it and Believe in it.. Enjoy..

Thank you.

You now see the difference between you and me.

In What Way Are Jesus and His Father One?

“I and the Father are one,” said Jesus. (John 10:30) Some quote this text to prove that Jesus and his Father are two parts of a triune God. Is that what Jesus meant by this statement?

Let us take a look at the context. In verse 25, Jesus stated that he did works in the name of his Father. From verses 27 to 29, he talked about symbolic sheep whom his Father had given him. Both statements by Jesus would have made little sense to his listeners if he and his Father were one and the same person. Instead, Jesus said, in effect, ‘My Father and I are so close-knit that no one can take away the sheep from me, just as no one can take them away from my Father.’ It is much like a son saying to his father’s enemy, ‘If you attack my father, you attack me.’ No one would conclude that this son and his father were the same person. But all could perceive the strong bond of unity between them.

Jesus and his Father, Jehovah God, are also “one” in the sense that they are in complete agreement as to intentions, standards, and values. In contrast with Satan the Devil and the first human couple, Adam and Eve, Jesus never wanted to become independent of God. “The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing,” Jesus explained. “For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.”​—John 5:19; 14:10; 17:8.

This strong bond of unity, however, does not make God and his Son, Jesus, indistinguishable from each other. They are two individuals. Each one has his own distinct personality. Jesus has his own feelings, thoughts, experiences, and free will. Nevertheless, he chose to submit his will to that of his Father. According to Luke 22:42, Jesus said: “Let, not my will, but yours take place.” These words would have been meaningless if his will could not differ from his Father’s. If Jesus and his Father were really one person, why did Jesus pray to God and humbly admit to not knowing things that only his Father knew?​—Matthew 24:36.

Members of many religions worship gods that are depicted as quarreling and fighting with their own family members. In Greek mythology, for example, Cronus overthrew his father, Uranus, and devoured his own children. How different this is from the oneness based on true love between Jehovah God and his Son, Jesus! And how this unity endears them to us! In fact, we have the incomparable privilege of being in union with these two highest Persons in all the universe. Regarding his followers, Jesus prayed: “I make request . . . that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us.”​—John 17:20, 21.

Thus, when Jesus said, “I and the Father are one,” he was speaking, not of a mysterious Trinity, but of a wonderful unity​—the closest bond possible between two persons.

sonmvayina:


Continue.. I am not asking you to stop worshipping Jesus. Far from it.. I am only trying to educate you to make an inform decision.. There are people that worship Messi in Barcelona and in other places round the world. They have shrines with the statues of Messi and his Jerseys.. They are still alive. Nobody is killing them. If you choose to worship a Jewish man who might or might not be a real historical figure.. Be my guest. But as for me I just follow my creators commandments.. " Do not have any other God BEFORE me". " Do not make the image or likeness of anything in heaven, on earth or under the waters below the earth, do not bow down to them or serve them".. And I refuse to go through or worship the likeness of a man as god".. Do you think God will punish me for obeying his commandments?. I go to him directly.. No mediator or intermediary... He never asked us to eat the flesh and drink the blood of the messiah in other to be saved. I consider these ritual as Roman /pagan.. I can't partake it it.. If you enjoy it and Believe in it.. Enjoy..

Thank you.

You now see the difference between you and me.

You are stopping from the Worship of the Most High and His Designates and Authorities he has placed to Govern Us.

And, since you are talking about making an informed opinion we therefore have the issue -why do I Believe the Contents of the Bible vs. why do you Reject the Bible, between us.

So you go first, lay up more light why you reject the Bible and of course be ready to defend your stand, then I'll take the stand next and defend my ground.

So over to you!

sonmvayina:


But as for me I just follow my creators commandments.. " Do not have any other God BEFORE me". " Do not make the image or likeness of anything in heaven, on earth or under the waters below the earth, do not bow down to them or serve them"..

Not withstanding the presentation of our seperate cases, I had clearly asked, if you uphold the old Testament?

From your statement above, is it the Commandments Given to Moses you uphold? (Because it appears you are laying parts of the Commandments Given to Our Moses by Our God as your ground of faith) Or

Is this is a part of a set of Commandments given by your own creator (different from mine) which I may or may not have seen before?

Dtruthspeaker:

You are stopping from the Worship of the Most High and His Designates and Authorities he has placed to Govern Us.

And, since you are talking about making an informed opinion we therefore have the issue -why do I Believe the Contents of the Bible vs. why do you Reject the Bible, between us.

So you go first, lay up more light why you reject the Bible and of course be ready to defend your stand, then I'll take the stand next and defend my ground.

So over to you!

like i said earlier. the part of the bible you call the old testament was written, collected and put together by the Jews. they call it the Tanakh, it is for their national religion called Judaism.They saw them selves as God chosen people. they had a covenant with God at mount Sinai. he gave them laws and customs to follow to separate them from other people..part of the laws includes the 10 commandments..they promised to always keep it..when they deviate from it , he punishes them by sending them on exile or sending famine or disease or letting their enemies over power them.when they repent and turn to him..He forgives and blesses them and sends them messiahs (kings) to defeat their enemies..some of these messiah includes David, Solomon, or sometimes none Jews who worship him too like Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus...they where Gods anointed or messiahs..
so when the Romans became world empire and where trying to conquer more territories . they saw that some of these places worshiped different gods..and these where leading to wars and unrest. it was emperor Constantine who wanted a single religion for his empire that gathered all the religious leaders in nicea to fashion out a single religion for the empire..they argued for almost 2 years and finally voted on Christianity. they had two options..Mithraism or Christianity...they went with Christianity..
i personally don t see the relevance of Jesus to God or to man, man's nature has not still changed. we still get to make choices. if we make wrong choices and sin,we get punished by God, in other to be right, we still have to confess our sins, try to change our ways and forsake our evil ways..God is still going to forgive us if our repentance is genuine .Jesus dying has not changed any thing..it is not a get out of jail card..so i don't really see why i should waste my time on it.. GOD never ask anybody to die for sins, IT is against natural justice. if it does not work with man, it certainly wont work with God..


tell me where God ask for the death of a messiah or his son as sacrifice for sin in the old testament, maybe i might have missed it..dont go pulling the isaiah 53 story, about a suffering servant because God already told you who is servant is in 41:8-9..

Dtruthspeaker:


Not withstanding the presentation of our seperate cases, I had clearly asked, if you uphold the old Testament?

From your statement above, is it the Commandments Given to Moses you uphold? (Because it appears you are laying parts of the Commandments Given to Our Moses by Our God as your ground of faith) Or

Is this is a part of a set of Commandments given by your own creator (different from mine) which I may or may not have seen before?

i only gave the portion of the commandment forbidding a mediator or worshipping the likeness of a man as god...

Dtruthspeaker:


Not withstanding the presentation of our seperate cases, I had clearly asked, if you uphold the old Testament?

From your statement above, is it the Commandments Given to Moses you uphold? (Because it appears you are laying parts of the Commandments Given to Our Moses by Our God as your ground of faith) Or

Is this is a part of a set of Commandments given by your own creator (different from mine) which I may or may not have seen before?

dont you think you are breaking this commandments by having a mediator and worshipping the likenes of a man? Numbers 23:19

ictplotter:
John 10 Verse 29 My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.” 31 At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him.….

Same john 14vs28. You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
To me is seem that Bible itself contradicting, because in the first Bible quote. Jesus equate himself with God for being one while the other verse show clearly, God is greater than Jesus.

Jesus is a Jewish young man who lived in the first century, according to the Bible and the things gathered so far about this young man it's evident that he's not from our planet because he is just too intelligent, kind-hearted, pure in heart and selfless to be ordinary human like everyone else.
So he needed to explain

The source of his wisdom, that's why he said "i and the father are one" John 10:30
This means he's in complete agreement with what God requires of humans, note how he used the same word when praying @ John 17:22
Jesus prayed referring to his numerous disciples "they may be one just as we are one"
Today the whole world is filled with different religious groups claiming Christians but are they known for oneness in thought?
Well everyone today knew one strange group also claiming Christians with that type of quality they're known as Jehovah's Witnesses, though every other religious groups vilify them {Matthew 24:9} they have a strong bond that everyone say about them "they love themselves" {John 13:34-35} because of the strong bond many believe they are a cult {Matthew 10:25} but they have one line of thought just as Jesus and his father are one in thought! John 17:20-23

As for greatness, Jesus was referred to as God because of the power bestowed upon him to do certain things, just as God called Moses when he bestowed the same kind of power on him {Exodus 7:1} that's why Moses told his contemporaries that God will later raise another prophet like him who will serve as both God and Prophet at the same time {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} Peter confirmed Jesus is that promised Prophet Moses spoke about {Act 3:22-23} So just like all other Prophets Jesus confirmed that the one who sent him is his Father and God! John 20:17 compare to 1Corinthians 15: 26-28

God bless you!

Jesus is a fictitious character, whose story is patterned to look like the story of Faulkin of the neanderthals era. Both Faulkin of the Neanderthals and fictitious Jesus Sapiens are very very little and insignificant fragment of God Almighty, same as you and I are. Jehovah, Allah and all other beings in the multiverse are also insignificant fragment of God Almighty.

sonmvayina:

like i said earlier. the part of the bible you call the old testament was written, collected and put together by the Jews. they call it the Tanakh, it is for their national religion called Judaism.They saw them selves as God chosen people. they had a covenant with God at mount Sinai. he gave them laws and customs to follow to separate them from other people..part of the laws includes the 10 commandments..they promised to always keep it..when they deviate from it , he punishes them by sending them on exile or sending famine or disease or letting their enemies over power them.when they repent and turn to him..He forgives and blesses them and sends them messiahs (kings) to defeat their enemies..some of these messiah includes David, Solomon, or sometimes none Jews who worship him too like Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus...they where Gods anointed or messiahs...

All these are in what is commonly referred to as the old Testament, which I have verily declared that I am a party to it but you have still not declared if you believe and Stand on the Commandments Given to Moses on Mt. Sinai, since you are throwing it at me.

So I Repeat are you a part and party to the said Commandments given in Sinai?

Dtruthspeaker:


All these are in what is commonly referred to as the old Testament, which I have verily declared that I am a party to it but you have still not declared if you believe and Stand on the Commandments Given to Moses on Mt. Sinai, since you are throwing it at me.

So I Repeat are you a part and party to the said Commandments given in Sinai?

yes,

it is for all mankind and it is suppose to last for ever...

who is God...nice video, an eye opener.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LM-8m6xWSk&t=570s

sonmvayina:


yes,

it is for all mankind and it is suppose to last for ever...

Ehen!

Now that you stand on what is called old Testament, then therefore many things are settled including the issuance of the Commandments.

For me, from Genesis to Leviticus (for this purposes). Is this the same for you?

Dtruthspeaker:


Ehen!

Now that you stand on what is called old Testament, then therefore many things are settled including the issuance of the Commandments.

For me, from Genesis to Leviticus (for this purposes). Is this the same for you?

genesis to Deuteronomy is the Torah...

sonmvayina:


Lol.. Very funny.. Outrageous views.. What you Christians call the old testament belongs to the Jews, they wrote for their national religion called Judaism..they call it the tanakh. When the Romans became world empire, they stole it.. And attached their own writing at the end of it and called the new book the Bible..
There is no where in the entire tanakh (old testament) where God said he was going to send his son, for us to murder him and Believe in his death in other to be saved.. If you can provide it I will become a Christian this night... If you can't why should I take it serious?.. It means it was never God's idea... It is a fabrication.. I can't fall for it... Time and time again God says come let us reason together, confess and forsake your evil ways, I will forgive.... Never mention of the messaiah dying for sin.. To believe those Christians assertions, you have to suspend the use of logic and your brain.. If you can, then anything is believable...

I just follow God's laws, and live each day..

See Deuteronomy 18:15 on the bolded words.


You claim to read the OT but you fail to realize that Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel, Amos, Micah, Zechariah all gave corresponding prophecies about the Messiah — Jesus.

sonmvayina:


genesis to Deuteronomy is the Torah...

Do you take the entire Old Testament as a whole? As in Genesis to Malachi? Or you choose to pick the books that suits you to obey?

sonmvayina:


genesis to Deuteronomy is the Torah...

Well and good. Do you Accept Genesis to Deuteronomy as your ground of Belief?

Dtruthspeaker:


Well and good. Do you Accept Genesis to Deuteronomy as your ground of Belief?

They contain the laws of God... I believe no man has any right to change or alter it..

DappaD:

Do you take the entire Old Testament as a whole? As in Genesis to Malachi? Or you choose to pick the books that suits you to obey?

Genesis to deuteronomy is the laws of God.. The others are just the history of the Jews.. And how they have been persecuted..