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Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by sonmvayina(m): 10:12am On Jul 29, 2020
letu:
The Karzah Jews whom you worship are not real Hebrews of the Bible/Tanakh, they are the kind of people that can be know as Fake Hebrews.

Lol.. I am not Jewish. I am from delta state in Nigeria.. We have our own belief system or omenani. Only a slave will abandon his heritage for a foreign one... I am a free born...

I only quote the old testament because that is what most people know.. And most of the belief is consistent with the igbo omenala..
Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by sonmvayina(m): 10:21am On Jul 29, 2020
Judaism and Christianity are two different religions. The new testament is not a continuation of the old testament.. The Jewish people wrote their Tanakh for their people.. Not for Romans or Greeks or Africans.. It is the Romans /Greeks who attached their own books at the end of the tanakh.
They pick passages from the old testament out of context and interpolate them into their religion..
The Jews never added verses or chapters, that is a Christian creation and addition..
What the jews believe is different from what the Christian believe.. Judaism is a spirituality while Christianity is a dualism.. Two separate God's for both good and evil.. In Judaism there is only one God responsible for both. The creator of the Universe.. There is just nothing he created that he can't control..

That is what I believe too.. The existence of a Christian devil is laughable and ridiculous to say the least..

I believe and reverence the creator which I am 1000000 % sure is not a man or human being..
Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by Omokowa(m): 10:20am On Jul 30, 2020
ictplotter:
John 10 Verse 29 My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.” 31 At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him.….

Same john 14vs28. You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
To me is seem that Bible itself contradicting, because in the first Bible quote. Jesus equate himself with God for being one while the other verse show clearly, God is greater than Jesus.

Jesus christ is God in human form...when he came to earth to mingle with humans. Remember John 1:1-5 which says "in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God...
Read about the supremacy of christ in colossians 1:15-20

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Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:43am On Jul 30, 2020
sonmvayina:


Far from it.. You don't even know what God is and is not.. You are just fascinated by the idea.. I really don't know where to start the lecture.. Well add me on WhatsApp 0.8.0.3.3.6.8.3.8.3.6...i can spare some time to educate you.. But why don't you start by watching Enki35 productions video on YouTube.. Start with who is God.. She does a very good comparative analysis of the ancient religions..

Aside the ridicule, No Creation can fully know His Creator more than what the Creator has chosen to reveal to the creation.

And if the Creator can communicate with one creation, therefore, He can also communicate to me.

So No one can give me good and sufficient information about The Most High Man.

And the Most High has permitted all who wish to see and know Him, including me, to approach Him, which I have happily done and now I do know Him for myself.

So I will never accept second hand information when I have obtained all I need from Source.
Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by sonmvayina(m): 3:49pm On Jul 30, 2020
Dtruthspeaker:


Aside the ridicule, No Creation can fully know His Creator more than what the Creator has chosen to reveal to the creation.

And if the Creator can communicate with one creation, therefore, He can also communicate to me.

So No one can give me good and sufficient information about The Most High Man.

And the Most High has permitted all who wish to see and know Him, including me, to approach Him, which I have happily done and now I do know Him for myself.

So I will never accept second hand information when I have obtained all I need from Source.

Suit yourself.. The invitation is still open.. I guess you still go through a dead jew.
Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by Dtruthspeaker: 4:28pm On Jul 30, 2020
sonmvayina:


Suit yourself.. The invitation is still open.. I guess you still go through a dead jew.

I go to and through the Son of the Most High God!

And Him Only will I seek!
Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by sonmvayina(m): 4:37pm On Jul 30, 2020
Dtruthspeaker:


I go to and through the Son of the Most High God!

And Him Only will I seek!

Good luck.. When you are ready to wake up.. God will send you your moses. Meanwhile you can have fun in Egypt..
Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:42pm On Jul 30, 2020
sonmvayina:


Good luck.. When you are ready to wake up.. God will send you your moses. Meanwhile you can have fun in Egypt..

It is I who is awake and in the Paths of Life while you are in the congregation of the dead. For it is Written

"The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead!"

Moses was a Deliverer, but he who is delivered, needs no deliverance, therefore, I need no Moses, for I am not in Egypt but In An Enlarged Place Flowing with Milk and Honey.

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Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by sonmvayina(m): 8:18pm On Jul 30, 2020
Dtruthspeaker:


It is I who is awake and in the Paths of Life while you are in the congregation of the dead. For it is Written

"The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead!"

Moses was a Deliverer, but he who is delivered, needs no deliverance, therefore, I need no Moses, for I am not in Egypt but In An Enlarged Place Flowing with Milk and Honey.



This is exactly what the isrealites were saying in Egypt.. Until a Pharoah that know them not took over..
Shalom.
Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by sonmvayina(m): 8:28pm On Jul 30, 2020
Dtruthspeaker:


I go to and through the Son of the Most High God!

And Him Only will I seek!

You are going through a dead jew to get to a spirit that dwels within you..
Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by Playthepianos: 8:40pm On Jul 30, 2020
sonmvayina:


Yes, there was never any need for it.. The Jews don't have a new convenant.. It has got nothing to do with them. It is the Romans/ Greeks who attached it at the end of the Jewish scriptures.. With the sole intention of deceiving people and making mockery of the creator.

Man, just see this ignoramus.

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Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:37pm On Jul 30, 2020
sonmvayina:


This is exactly what the isrealites were saying in Egypt.. Until a Pharoah that know them not took over..
Shalom.

grin
It is Written "Man's goings, are of the Lord!".
Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:42pm On Jul 30, 2020
sonmvayina:


You are going through a dead jew to get to a spirit that dwels within you..

I went to the Son of the Highest, to obtain His Kingdom and His Righteousness for it is Written

"He that followeth after righteousness and mercy findeth life, righteousness, and honour."
Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by sonmvayina(m): 10:45pm On Jul 30, 2020
Playthepianos:


Man, just see this ignoramus.

You just don't want to accept that Jesus is a Roman idol... He is..
Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:51pm On Jul 30, 2020
Playthepianos:


Man, just see this ignoramus.

He is just a ex-disciple of LortReed who is trying to swallow up another as LortReed once swallowed him whole using this same net of wickedness and imprint.

But his spirit is still human but his former master LortRid, whew, he is Pure Unadulterated Evil and Satan himself.
Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by Mysteriousworld: 5:55pm On Aug 26, 2023
I know Islam was created by rome....
The proofs are too much...
The bible rather exposes rome in this endtime as the beast.


sonmvayina:


2nd Chronicles 7 :14 "if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and confess their sins and forsake their evil ways, I will hear from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land"... There was never any need for Jesus, God only ask for a sincere repentance.. No human sacrifice was ever required or necessary...

Jesus has got nothing to do with God.. He was created by the Roman at the council of nicea.. Emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for his empire.. And the result was Christianity.. Educate yourself please..

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Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by Mysteriousworld: 6:06pm On Aug 26, 2023
Jesus is equal to God.




Jesus is a Jewish young man who lived in the first century, according to the Bible and the things gathered so far about this young man it's evident that he's not from our planet because he is just too intelligent, kind-hearted, pure in heart and selfless to be ordinary human like everyone else.
So he needed to explain

The source of his wisdom, that's why he said "i and the father are one" John 10:30
This means he's in complete agreement with what God requires of humans, note how he used the same word when praying @ John 17:22
Jesus prayed referring to his numerous disciples "they may be one just as we are one"
Today the whole world is filled with different religious groups claiming Christians but are they known for oneness in thought?
Well everyone today knew one strange group also claiming Christians with that type of quality they're known as Jehovah's Witnesses, though every other religious groups vilify them {Matthew 24:9} they have a strong bond that everyone say about them "they love themselves" {John 13:34-35} because of the strong bond many believe they are a cult {Matthew 10:25} but they have one line of thought just as Jesus and his father are one in thought! John 17:20-23

As for greatness, Jesus was referred to as God because of the power bestowed upon him to do certain things, just as God called Moses when he bestowed the same kind of power on him {Exodus 7:1} that's why Moses told his contemporaries that God will later raise another prophet like him who will serve as both God and Prophet at the same time {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} Peter confirmed Jesus is that promised Prophet Moses spoke about {Act 3:22-23} So just like all other Prophets Jesus confirmed that the one who sent him is his Father and God! John 20:17 compare to 1Corinthians 15: 26-28

God bless you! smiley
Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by MightySparrow: 8:37pm On Aug 26, 2023
ictplotter:
John 10 Verse 29 My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.” 31 At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him.….

Same john 14vs28. You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
To me is seem that Bible itself contradicting, because in the first Bible quote. Jesus equate himself with God for being one while the other verse show clearly, God is greater than Jesus.

There is no contradiction at all. It is because of what you already have in your mind.
1. I and my Father are one. Not that the two Father and Son are one person. The Son was with the Jews and they picked stone to stone the Son not the Father.
Why would they Jews would stone Him?
He made Himself of the same class, substance, and essence as the Father. This claim was toxic to the Jews.

2. The second is still the same claim. My Father is greater than I.
The word greater is a comparison between two similar not dissimilar things or classes.

A university is greater than secondary school.

A university is greater than the football academy. Are there similarities. Yes and no. They are places of learning. What and how they learn are not the same. Therefore, there should be no comparison at all.
Father is God a class of being
Jesus is God same class of being.

Col. 2:2.

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Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by Pecuman: 10:43pm On Aug 26, 2023
To some extent they are almost the same question.

To be equal to God means to have the highest position, which would philosophically man having the same sort of attributes attributed to God and thus making one God, equalizing it to the question of if one is God.

Anyways, Jesus as the Son, is below the Father but Jesus is God.

Simple as.
Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by Janosky: 10:59pm On Aug 26, 2023
Pecuman:
To some extent they are almost the same question.

To be equal to God means to have the highest position, which would philosophically man having the same sort of attributes attributed to God and thus making one God, equalizing it to the question of if one is God.

Anyways, Jesus as the Son, is below the Father but Jesus is God.

Simple as.
Jesus Christ admitted he is not in the same class as God his Father, John 14:28, Revelation 3:2,12.

Jesus Christ is not God.
Revelation 3:2,12 Jesus Christ is not equal to his God.

Are you equal to your God?

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Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by Janosky: 11:03pm On Aug 26, 2023
MightySparrow:


There is no contradiction at all. It is because of what you already have in your mind.
1. I and my Father are one. Not that the two Father and Son are one person. The Don was with the Jews and they picked stone to stone the Son not the Father.
Why would they Jews would stone Him?
He made Himself of the same class, substance, and essence as the Father. This claim was toxic to the Jews.

2. The second is still the same claim. My Father is greater than I.
The word greater is a comparison between two similar not dissimilar things or classes.

A uniyis greater than secondary school.

A university is greater than the football academy. Are there similarities. Yes and no. They are places of learning. What and how they learn are not the same. Therefore, there should be no comparison at all.
Father is God a class of being
Jesus is God same class of being.

Col. 2:2.


No Sir.

Jesus Christ says himself is a Worshipper,Rev 3:2,12.

Is his God/Father a Worshipper?

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Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by Janosky: 11:06pm On Aug 26, 2023
Mysteriousworld:
Jesus is equal to God.



For your mind or from Jesus Christ?
John 14:28 & Revelation 3:2,12, according to Jesus Christ in the physical realm & spiritual realm.

Is the spiritual realm superior to the physical realm?
Yes.

Therefore, Jesus evidence of Revelation 3:2,12 is a death sentence on Trinity. grin grin

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Re: Is Jesus God or Equal to God? by MightySparrow: 1:45am On Aug 27, 2023
Janosky:


No Sir.

Jesus Christ says himself is a Worshipper,Rev 3:2,12.

Is his God/Father a Worshipper?




Revelation 3:2,12
[2]Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
[12]Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name
.



How is this related to the explanation??


You always display stupidity

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