Dtruthspeaker:


This man's wiring is frayed and has been tampered with, so his outputs make no cognitive sense.

That's your opinion, but it won't harm the truth one bit. Bye

sonmvayina:


2nd Chronicles 7 :14 "if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and confess their sins and forsake their evil ways, I will hear from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land"... There was never any need for Jesus, God only ask for a sincere repentance.. No human sacrifice was ever required or necessary...

Jesus has got nothing to do with God.. He was created by the Roman at the council of nicea.. Emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for his empire.. And the result was Christianity.. Educate yourself please..

This is another lie. Please stop peddling half truths.

Why did God institute animal sacrife for cleansing?. Was it just praying?. Did the people of the old testament just pray like we do today without animal scarfices?.

How come only one man could enter the Holy of Holies and that once a year, and he must cleanse himself and sanctify himself with animal blood?.

When Solomon dedicated the temple, why did he have to sacrife a thousand burnt offerings (sacrice) before making his prayers?.

With these and many more, why did it suddenly stop after Jesus was sacrifed/Crucified on the Cross or would also deny that the veil to the Holy of Holies was torn from to to bottom, and those who were forbidden from seeing and entering could from then enter?.

Animal blood was inadequate to cleanse and save the souls of men from sin, a perfect, sinless man's blood was required, and Jesus Christ only qualifies. If you are not yet washed in that blood, your still in your sin, and no other way.

Finally, what did God mean when he told the serpent in the garden of Eden that the seed of the woman will bruise his head?. Why seed and not seeds, who is this one seed?. Is it you, of cause not!. It's Jesus Christ!.

Stop buying cheap lies of the devil and peddling it with pride.

Have you never read that without the shedding of blood, there's no remission of sin, so would animal blood now be sufficient for that?.

Wake up and be saved!.

sonmvayina:


Genesis to deuteronomy is the laws of God .. The others are just the history of the Jews.. And how they have been persecuted..

Okay.

@bolded, Who does sonmvayina think Moses is referring to at Deuteronomy 18:15-18?

Does sonmvayina offer burnt and guilt sacrifices for the forgiveness of his sins according to the book Leviticus or not?

@italicized, I seem to remember on this nairaland that you misconstrued the meaning of Ecclesiastes 12:7 to fit your reincarnation concept. Don't you believe in Ecclesiastes and the other parts of the Old Testament?

DappaD:



See Deuteronomy 18:15 on the bolded words.


You claim to read the OT but you fail to realize that Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel, Amos, Micah, Zechariah all gave corresponding prophecies about the Messiah — Jesus.

Provide the quotes from those books... I will accept Jesus as my Lord and personal saviour.. I will say it loud..

Debt. 18:15 " yaweh your God will raise a prophet like me, you will listen to him. From among you.."..

So where is the Jesus here..

Moses end was near and he was admonishing the people to listen to next prophet that God was going to raise from among the people.. The next prophet was Joshua..

What do you suppose it was talking about.?

sonmvayina:


Provide the quotes from those books... I will accept Jesus as my Lord and personal saviour.. I will say it loud..

Debt. 18:15 " yaweh your God will raise a prophet like me, you will listen to him. From among you.."..

So where is the Jesus here..

Moses end was near and he was admonishing the people to listen to next prophet that God was going to raise from among the people.. The next prophet was Joshua..

What do you suppose it was talking about.?

Jehovah had already appointed Joshua to take the place of Moses (Numbers 27:18-23)
So who is this ‘Prophet’ at Deuteronomy 18:15-18? It didn't apply to Joshua so who was that place talking about?

DappaD:



Okay.

@bolded, Who does sonmvayina think Moses is referring to at Deuteronomy 18:15-18?

Does sonmvayina offer burnt and guilt sacrifices for the forgiveness of his sins according to the book Leviticus or not?

@italicized, I seem to remember on this nairaland that you misconstrued the meaning of Ecclesiastes 12:7 to fit your immortality of the soul concept. Don't you believe in Ecclesiastes and the other parts of the Old Testament?

Funny you.. He was referring to the next prophet, his end was drawing near.. The next prophet will be Joshua..
No burnt offering.. They are for unintentional sins, it must be a she goat, without blemish.. I do that every first Saturday of December in my village. But for other sins, God demands a sincere repentance.. I do make wrong choices, sometimes like anyone else.. but I always pull my self up and try harder next time.. There is no righteous man who never sinned.

sonmvayina:


Funny you.. He was referring to the next prophet, his end was drawing near.. The next prophet will be Joshua..
No burnt offering.. They are for unintentional sins, it must be a she goat, without blemish.. I do that every first Saturday of December in my village. But for other sins, God demands a sincere repentance.. I do make wrong choices, sometimes like anyone else.. but I always pull my self up and try harder next time.. There is no righteous man who never sinned.

Okay.

DappaD:

Jehovah had already appointed Joshua to take the place of Moses (Numbers 27:18-23)
So who is this ‘Prophet’ at Deuteronomy 18:15-18? It didn't apply to Joshua so who was that place talking about?

Joshua and the ones after him.. Context is key.. Moses was a addressing the people in his front.. Not addressing a future generation... Read it in context..

DappaD:

Okay.

I hope this doesn't end in insults, abuses and curses!

Maximus69:

I hope this doesn't end in insults, abuses and curses!

I hope so too ooh
People dey fear truth

Maximus69:

I hope this doesn't end in insults, abuses and curses!

Why should it..?

sonmvayina:


Why should it..?

Because i thought about my past experience with people who don't believe in Jesus as God's son.
Instead of reasoning tactfully, many turn to INSULTS when their analogy isn't convincing enough to change the mind of a believer in Christ!
But that's no problem, i think you can discuss without ending up insulting your audience!

sonmvayina:


They contain the laws of God... I believe no man has any right to change or alter it..

Ok, you said it.

Now, tell me knowing the Commandments, should the Lord, God send a Person, like he did to Sodom and Gomorrah, Shall men know?

Knowing the Commandments, should such a Person be honoured and respected? If yes, how much respect and honour would you consider is due to such Person?

Do you reasonably expect that such a Person Would Lie About the Message He Delivers From The Lord?

And should the Person inform you of His Appointed Rule over you, do you think it reasonable to controvert or resist or challenge his appointment?

And is the messager of God, Not God At the Time of Delivering His Message as Moses was to pharoah?

For I am very sure that since you love the Commandments of God, therefore you are aware of these Commandments in Exodus.

"Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

So, Knowing these and many other Commandments of Honour and Respect, do you think that the Lord God, shall be offended if pay much respects to His Messengers/Employees or Appointees?

Dtruthspeaker:


Ok, you said it.

Now, tell me knowing the Commandments, should the Lord, God send a Person, like he did to Sodom and Gomorrah, Shall men know?

Knowing the Commandments, should such a Person be honoured and respected? If yes, how much respect and honour would you consider is due to such Person?

Do you reasonably expect that such a Person Would Lie About the Message He Delivers From The Lord?

And should the Person inform you of His Appointed Rule over you, do you think it reasonable to controvert or resist or challenge his appointment?

And is the messager of God, Not God At the Time of Delivering His Message as Moses was to pharoah?

For I am very sure that since you love the Commandments of God, therefore you are aware of these Commandments in Exodus.

"Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

So, Knowing these and many other Commandments of Honour and Respect, do you think that the Lord God, shall be offended if pay much respects to His Messengers/Employees or Appointees?

I could not make heads or tails of your post, but I might say something.
It is important we listen to God's message and messengers, very very important. Those messages must be in line with his laws.. Anybody who comes with a new law is a false prophet. Read deuteronomy 13.. Even if he does signs and wonders and they came to pass, it is God testing his people.. They won't listen to such a person but will kill him, to purge the evil..
Numbers 23 :19 says God is not a man or human being. So if a man is claiming God what do you expect to be his fate,?.. That person must be either psychotic or delusional... Prophet Amos says God always reveal to his prophet what he is going to do before he does them. Amos3 :7.. I have read all the prophet, there is no one that said anything remotely about Jesus.. Point it out if you think there is...

sonmvayina:


I could not make heads or tails of your post, but I might say something.
It is important we listen to God's message and messengers, very very important. Those messages must be in line with his laws.. Anybody who comes with a new law is a false prophet. Read deuteronomy 13.. Even if he does signs and wonders and they came to pass, it is God testing his people.. They won't listen to such a person but will kill him, to purge the evil..
Numbers 23 :19 says God is not a man or human being. So if a man is claiming God what do you expect to be his fate,?.. That person must be either psychotic or delusional... Prophet Amos says God always reveal to his prophet what he is going to do before he does them. Amos3 :7.. I have read all the prophet, there is no one that said anything remotely about Jesus.. Point it out if you think there is...

That is why I asked you, if God Appointed A Certain Person Either from Heaven that no man knows or on Earth, Would you know?

Or shall you be there when God makes His Appointment?

Dtruthspeaker:


That is why I asked you, if God Appointed A Certain Person Either from Heaven that no man knows or on Earth, Would you know?

Or shall you be there when God makes His Appointment?

Lol.. And I said if somebody is from God, his message from God will be in line with God's laws.. God can't go against his laws...

If God says "thou shall not kill".. He is not going to ask you for human sacrifice.. You got it now..?

sonmvayina:


Lol.. And I said if somebody is from God, his message from God will be in line with God's laws.. God can't go against his laws...

If God says "thou shall not kill".. He is not going to ask you for human sacrifice.. You got it now..?

I would answer all your questions above in this thread but you are avoiding answering my question. Please answer the question

"if God Appointed A Certain Person Either from Heaven (that no man knows) or on Earth, Would you know?

Or shall you be there when God makes His Appointment? Moses whom you accept, where you there at his Appointment? Or did God call you or write you when He Appointed Moses, before the Commandments?

Dtruthspeaker:


I would answer all your questions above in this thread but you are avoiding answering my question. Please answer the question

"if God Appointed A Certain Person Either from Heaven (that no man knows) or on Earth, Would you know?

Or shall you be there when God makes His Appointment? Moses whom you accept, where you there at his Appointment? Or did God call you or write you when He Appointed Moses, before the Commandments?

I would know.. Because his message will be consistent with God's laws and commandments.. It won't go against it..
If somebody tells me, that God said I have to sacrifice my son.. I won't believe it, because I know God does not accept human sacrifice.. It is an abomination to him..

sonmvayina:


I would know.. Because his message will be consistent with God's laws and commandments.. It won't go against it..
If somebody tells me, that God said I have to sacrifice my son.. I won't believe it, because I know God does not accept human sacrifice.. It is an abomination to him..

You have still not clearly answered the question for I am not asking how you shall choose to respond to a messenger.

I am asking when a person is Appointed by God, would you be there to verify and authenticate the validity of His Appointment?

Jesus was only speaking in parables. I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE simply means whatever am saying comes from my father in heaven!

Dtruthspeaker:


You have still not clearly answered the question for I am not asking how you shall choose to respond to a messenger.

I am asking when a person is Appointed by God, would you be there to verify and authenticate the validity of His Appointment?

the ONLY way to verify is their message must be consistent with the laws of God.....if not, there are only trying to be deceptive...

sonmvayina:


the ONLY way to verify is their message must be consistent with the laws of God.....if not, there are only trying to be deceptive...

Who came first, the messenger or the Commandment?

Dtruthspeaker:


Who came first, the messenger or the Commandment?

The messenger... We are born with the commandment in our heart..

"your word I have hidden in my heart that I may not sin against thee"

sonmvayina:


The messenger...

Great!

Since the Messenger came First, You Must thereafter Listen to the Message and form your own opinion on the message as you want.

But, it is Settled and Understood that it is not the message of the Messenger (else he would not be a messenger) but that the Message which the Messenger Delivers, is a Communication from God, Himself.

That being Settled, therefore, If God Sends a Messenger, if we honour and Respect God, are we not bound to Listen to the Messenger? (I have asked you many questions, so it is my turn now, so I proceed and you can respond)

Therefore, if God Sends Anyone, I Would Listen to Him because I Love God and I know a lot about Him and I am definitely going to act on the message, which I have heard and I do not see anything Wrong with His Message.

It is even that I have Special Understanding of Who Christ is, that even Makes me now worship Him for He (Christ) is the same Lord God through out what is wrongly called old Testament.

His Father, the Most High Spoke Scantily, Exactly as a King Shall Do at the beginning in Genesis, which a Good Son Must Respond to His Father's Command, as we are told in John 1:1-4. (Except you do not want the testimony of John, but this is My Connection of Genesis 1:3-28)

By John 1, It was Christ Who Created Everything in Line with the Commandment of His Father, The Highest!

And after Creation by the authorities of Mathew 11:27 and John 5:22, the same Person who we call Christ Jesus, is the same who is Lord, God or Lord. Or God, referred to After The Creation of the World and man

It is He, who did all the talking and meetings with man through out the what is wrongly called old testament until He came for His Final Visitation of Man, as though He were a son of man.

And that is why He Authoritatively tells us that No One Can Go Directly to God (Neither do you want to) but you Must all Stop at His Office.

He is the Personal Assistant of God.

And all these are the reasons why!

Now Your questions.

Dtruthspeaker:


Great!

Since the Messenger came First, You Must thereafter Listen to the Message and form your own opinion on the message as you want.

But, it is Settled and Understood that it is not the message of the Messenger (else he would not be a messenger) but that the Message which the Messenger Delivers, is a Communication from God, Himself.

That being Settled, therefore, If God Sends a Messenger, if we honour and Respect God, are we not bound to Listen to the Messenger? (I have asked you many questions, so it is my turn now, so I proceed and you can respond)

Therefore, if God Sends Anyone, I Would Listen to Him because I Love God and I know a lot about Him and I am definitely going to act on the message, which I have heard and I do not see anything Wrong with His Message.

It is even that I have Special Understanding of Who Christ is, that even Makes me now worship Him for He (Christ) is the same Lord God through out what is wrongly called old Testament.

His Father, the Most High Spoke Scantily, Exactly as a King Shall Do at the beginning in Genesis, which a Good Son Must Respond to His Father's Command, as we are told in John 1:1-4. (Except you do not want the testimony of John, but this is My Connection of Genesis 1:3-28)

By John 1, It was Christ Who Created Everything in Line with the Commandment of His Father, The Highest!

And after Creation by the authorities of Mathew 11:27 and John 5:22, the same Person who we call Christ Jesus, is the same who is Lord, God or Lord. Or God, referred to After The Creation of the World and man

It is He, who did all the talking and meetings with man through out the what is wrongly called old testament until He came for His Final Visitation of Man, as though He were a son of man.

And that is why He Authoritatively tells us that No One Can Go Directly to God (Neither do you want to) but you Must all Stop at His Office.

He is the Personal Assistant of God.

And all these are the reasons why!

Now Your questions.

I don't really know where to start this lecture from.. You just shit full everywhere..

Well let me start somewhere..
1. What is God?
2. What is the nature of God?
Maybe the answers to this question will give me a pointer to where to start..

Please don't be offended..

sonmvayina:


1. What is God?
2. What is the nature of God?
Maybe the answers to this question will give me a pointer to where to start..

Please don't be offended..

1. What is God? (or Who is God? For a thing can not be a god, hence it is not "what" but Who which means a Person or Personality)

Answer- I am a Creation and I did not create myself. So like every creation I remain in the place where my Creator kept me.

So if you ask me about my Creator, Whom, I Call God, I can not answer you much because I am a Creation, Knowing only the things around me.

Just as iPhone can not tell you anything or all about Steve Jobs, but Steve Jobs can tell you all about iPhone.

So also is it for me that my Creator can talk about me, but I am unable to say much about Him.

And just like the iPhone and Camry, I do not know His House address or Country of Origin, even His True Name I can not know.

But what I do know is what He Told Me when He came to see Me. And also what I saw when He came to See me. And the things He told me.

That is what I can talk more My Creator, the Most Mighty, Who I Call God.

I have invariably answered question 2) without realising it, But I am happy to stand on and by answer.

Still interested? any more reasonable questions?

Dtruthspeaker:


1. What is God? (or Who is God? For a thing can not be a god, hence it is not "what" but Who which means a Person or Personality)

Answer- I am a Creation and I created myself. So like every creation I remain in the place where my Creator kept me.

So if you ask me about my Creator, Whom, I Call God, I can not answer you much because I am a Creation, Knowing only the things around me.

Just iPhone can not tell you anything or all about Steve Jobs, but Steve Jobs can tell you all about iPhone.

So also is it for me that my Creator can talk about me, but I am unable to say much about Him.

And just like the iPhone and Camry, I do not know His House address or Country of Origin, even His True Name I can not know.

But what I do know is what He Told Me when He came to see Me. And also what I saw when He came to See me. And the things He told me.

That is what I can talk more My Creator, the Most Mighty, Who I Call God.

I have invariably answered question 2) without realising it, But I am happy to stand on and by answer.

Still interested? any more reasonable questions?

Was it a white Man that came to you? Or you have not taken your medications..

sonmvayina:

like i said earlier. the part of the bible you call the old testament was written, collected and put together by the Jews. they call it the Tanakh, it is for their national religion called Judaism.They saw them selves as God chosen people. they had a covenant with God at mount Sinai. he gave them laws and customs to follow to separate them from other people..part of the laws includes the 10 commandments..they promised to always keep it..when they deviate from it , he punishes them by sending them on exile or sending famine or disease or letting their enemies over power them.when they repent and turn to him..He forgives and blesses them and sends them messiahs (kings) to defeat their enemies..some of these messiah includes David, Solomon, or sometimes none Jews who worship him too like Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus...they where Gods anointed or messiahs..
so when the Romans became world empire and where trying to conquer more territories . they saw that some of these places worshiped different gods..and these where leading to wars and unrest. it was emperor Constantine who wanted a single religion for his empire that gathered all the religious leaders in nicea to fashion out a single religion for the empire..they argued for almost 2 years and finally voted on Christianity. they had two options..Mithraism or Christianity...they went with Christianity..
i personally don t see the relevance of Jesus to God or to man, man's nature has not still changed. we still get to make choices. if we make wrong choices and sin,we get punished by God, in other to be right, we still have to confess our sins, try to change our ways and forsake our evil ways..God is still going to forgive us if our repentance is genuine .Jesus dying has not changed any thing..it is not a get out of jail card..so i don't really see why i should waste my time on it.. GOD never ask anybody to die for sins, IT is against natural justice. if it does not work with man, it certainly wont work with God..


tell me where God ask for the death of a messiah or his son as sacrifice for sin in the old testament, maybe i might have missed it..dont go pulling the isaiah 53 story, about a suffering servant because God already told you who is servant is in 41:8-9..

The Karzah Jews whom you worship are not real Hebrews of the Bible/Tanakh, they are the kind of people that can be know as Fake Hebrews.

sonmvayina:


Was it a white Man that came to you? Or you have not taken your medications..

Because you are not able to ask any reasonable question, therefore, you have become ridiculous and have begun insulting!

Dtruthspeaker:


Because you are not able to ask any reasonable question, therefore, you have become ridiculous and have begun insulting!

He promised that it wouldn't get to insults

DappaD:


He promised that it wouldn't get to insults

Thank you! He truly did.

He did not know that there is the knowledge of God that is so High, No one can get over it, and it also so low, no one can not get under it and it is so wide, no can not get around it.

Exactly as the song we used to sing when we were kids about God's Love!

So he ran out of fuel and could not proceed without making a fool of himself, so he shot!

Dtruthspeaker:


Because you are not able to ask any reasonable question, therefore, you have become ridiculous and have begun insulting!

Far from it.. You don't even know what God is and is not.. You are just fascinated by the idea.. I really don't know where to start the lecture.. Well add me on WhatsApp 0.8.0.3.3.6.8.3.8.3.6...i can spare some time to educate you.. But why don't you start by watching Enki35 productions video on YouTube.. Start with who is God.. She does a very good comparative analysis of the ancient religions..