FarmTech:

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U see that guy? He is out to mislead people with the bible.

True. It's either he is a deceiver or he is deceived. The devil is a theologian too, having had more than 6000 years of practice, twisting the scriptures to accommodate excesses; things which will eventually take one out of the narrow way or way one down from continuing therein, in spirit and in truth; sweet junk food (for Kobojunkie)

1 Timothy 4:1-2 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

franklytrue:

True. It's either he is a deceiver or he is deceived. The devil is a theologian too, having had more than 6000 years of practice, twisting the scriptures to accommodate excesses; things which will eventually take one out of the narrow way or way one down from continuing therein, in spirit and in truth; sweet junk food (for Kobojunkie)

1 Timothy 4:1-2 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

why not confront me instead with what is you believe I have said wrong? You do know that is what Jesus Christ Commanded you do in a situation like this, right?

The latter times Paul spoke of in His epistles started even before His death in the first century. What I have done to this point is tell you as far as

Jesus Christ's own commandments what we can or cannot do.

Adding your own fears and anxieties as rules is in direct disobedience of the word of God Himself. If you can show where God indeed said that is not so, then let's see it.

Otherwise stop making false accusations, as if by doing so, you can change the truth of God even in this.

Kobojunkie:
why not confront me instead with what is you believe I have said wrong? You do know that is what Jesus Christ Commanded you do in a situation like this, right?

The latter times Paul spoke of in His epistles started even before His death in the first century. What I have done to this point is tell you as far as

Jesus Christ's own commandments what we can or cannot do.

Adding your own fears and anxieties as rules is in direct disobedience of the word of God Himself. If you can show where God indeed said that is not so, then let's see it.

Otherwise stop making false accusations, as if by doing so, you can change the truth of God even in this.

You mention Jesus Christ here and there as if you know Him. Do you really know Him? Who is Jesus Christ to you?

Where did God say we should not smoke in the bible? Or is it the will of God? What about other modern social vices not mentioned in the bible?

If these things were present in those days when Jesus was here on earth, do you think he would, commend, endorse or attentively listen to them and keep them in his recorder? What would Jesus do?

Some persons talk about the secular songs speaking about/against the evils in our society, do we not see and know about the evils all around us even before they sing about it?
The scriptures says that the whole world lieth in wickedness and that Satan is the god of this world. Is it until they talk about it we will know? Is it not even there in the news? Do they really pray about/against these evils or they just only talk?

Some of them may not necessarily seem bad but that is how the line between good and bad is eroded and before a person knows, he/she has become lukewarm to the things of God and anything goes, but God's standard will never change.
And how in any way has these secular music/videos made you any better (edified) or drawn you closer to God or help fortify you against spiritual wickedness in high places? And can you sing those songs in His holy presence?

franklytrue:
You mention Jesus Christ here and there as if you know Him. Do you really know Him? Who is Jesus Christ to you?[/b]Where did God say we should not smoke in the bible? Or is it the will of God?

Jesus Christ never said smoking is evil.. Do not then make it your place to add to His commandment.

franklytrue:
If these things were present in those days when Jesus was here on earth, do you think he would, commend, endorse or attentively listen to them and keep them in his recorder? What would Jesus do?

Yes, people did smoke, and listen to 'secular' music even in the days of Jesus Christ, yet not once did Jesus Christ turn His attention to command His own against them. So, again, do not add to the commandments and do not remove. That is what God said in the Old covenant, and that is also what Jesus Christ warned us never to do in the New Covenant.

[b] Deuteronomy 4 vs 1-2 (ERV)
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1. “Now, Israel, listen to the laws and to the commands that I teach you. Obey them and you will live. Then you can go in and take the land that the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you.
2. You must not add to what I command you. And you must not take anything away. You must obey the commands of the Lord your God that I have given you.

franklytrue:
Some persons talk about the secular songs speaking about/against the evils in our society, do we not see and know about the evils all around us even before they sing about it?

I am not talking about the content here. I am simply speaking here of what God actually said we should do versus what men/women such as yourselves choose to believe you can ADD to that which God has commanded us to do. It is an abominable act to assume you are equal to God as to make rules where He has not seen fit to make any.

franklytrue:
The scriptures says that the whole world lieth in wickedness and that Satan is the god of this world. Is it until they talk about it we will know? Is it not even there in the news? Do they really pray about/against these evils or they just only talk?

The Scriptures also say the heart of man is extremely wicked, should you then make rules against your very self as a result? NO, God's rules are the only rules meant for us to follow. Any other rules applied by man have absolutely nothing to do with God and should never be sold as God's. Again, You must NEVER add to what God has commanded of us. Obey the very commands He has given us and leave the rest to individuals to decide for their lives.

franklytrue:
How in any way has these secular music/videos made you any better (edified) or drawn you closer to God or help fortify you against spiritual wickedness in high places? And can you sing those songs in His holy presence?

Nothing I eat, drink, listen to, watch or even entertain my sense with EDIFIES me. The responsibility for my edification belongs to Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone who through His Spirit teaches us all things we are to know. God told us from even before Jesus Christ showed up that He, and He alone will teach us all about Himself, His truth.
No where does Jesus Christ tell us to look to outside sources for edification. The very idea is an insult to the person of the Spirit of God who was sent to teach us and remind us of all that is Jesus Christ.

franklytrue:

True. It's either he is a deceiver or he is deceived. The devil is a theologian too, having had more than 6000 years of practice, twisting the scriptures to accommodate excesses; things which will eventually take one out of the narrow way or way one down from continuing therein, in spirit and in truth; sweet junk food (for Kobojunkie)

1 Timothy 4:1-2 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

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Nice observation. I thought I was the only one seeing him.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ never said smoking is evil.. Do not then make it your place to add to His commandment.
Yes, people did smoke, and listen to 'secular' music even in the days of Jesus Christ, yet not once did Jesus Christ turn His attention to command His own against them. So, again, do not add to the commandments and do not remove. That is what God said in the Old covenant, and that is also what Jesus Christ warned us never to do in the New Covenant.


I am not talking about the content here. I am simply speaking here of what God actually said we should do versus what men/women such as yourselves choose to believe you can ADD to that which God has commanded us to do. It is an abominable act to assume you are equal to God as to make rules where He has not seen fit to make any.
The Scriptures also say the heart of man is extremely wicked, should you then make rules against your very self as a result? NO, God's rules are the only rules meant for us to follow. Any other rules applied by man have absolutely nothing to do with God and should never be sold as God's. Again, You must NEVER add to what God has commanded of us. Obey the very commands He has given us and leave the rest to individuals to decide for their lives.
Nothing I eat, drink, listen to, watch or even entertain my sense with EDIFIES me. The responsibility for my edification belongs to Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone who through His Spirit teaches us all things we are to know. God told us from even before Jesus Christ showed up that He, and He alone will teach us all about Himself, His truth.
No where does Jesus Christ tell us to look to outside sources for edification. The very idea is an insult to the person of the Spirit of God who was sent to teach us and remind us of all that is Jesus Christ.

I don't have much to say to you since anything goes with you and you keep defending what is not of God. You will probably defend other modern social vices just because they were not talked about in the bible then. If you like keep deadening your conscience, you will answer before the Lord Jesus Christ on the day of judgement. If nothing you take in edifies you as you say, know that it is what you take in that you will bring out (maybe in another form); garbage in, garbage out.

The most important and personal question to you was skipped but you will do yourself well to answer it sincerely: Who is Jesus Christ to you?

Malachi 3:16-18 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

franklytrue:
I don't have much to say to you since anything goes with you and you keep defending what is not of God. You will probably defend other modern social vices just because they were not talked about in the bible then. If you like keep deadening your conscience, you will answer before the Lord Jesus Christ on the day of judgement. If nothing you take in edifices you as you say, know that it was what you take in that you will bring out (maybe in another form); garbage in, garbage out.

The most important and personal question to you was skipped but you will do yourself well to answer it sincerely: Who is Jesus Christ to you?

Garbage In/Garbage out applies only to those who do not have the Spirit of God as their Teacher. They are the ones who are likely to seek out edification from the things of the world, doctrines and traditions of men, and the lot. Those who are followers of Jesus Christ get their edification from the Spirit of God, God Himself, who is their one and only Teacher/Guide/Comforter/Counselor/Helper.

1 John 3 vs 20-27 (ERV)
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20. You have the gift[a] that the Holy One[b] gave you. So you all know the truth.
21. Do you think I am writing this letter because you don’t know the truth? No, I am writing because you do know the truth. And you know that no lie comes from the truth.
22. So who is the liar? It is the one who says Jesus is not the Messiah. Whoever says that is the enemy of Christ—the one who does not believe in the Father or in his Son.
23. Whoever does not believe in the Son does not have the Father, but whoever accepts the Son has the Father too.

24. Be sure that you continue to follow the teaching you heard from the beginning. If you do that, you will always be in the Son and in the Father.
25. And this is what the Son promised us—eternal life.

26. I am writing this letter about those who are trying to lead you into the wrong way.
27. Christ gave you a special gift. You still have this gift in you. So you don’t need anyone to teach you. The gift he gave you teaches you about everything. It is a true gift, not a false one. So continue to live in Christ, as his gift taught you.

franklytrue:
Malachi 3:16-18 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

I don't see the relevance of the above verse to this topic. Again, God makes the rules,we are not to add or remove... we are simply to obey the rules AS He, the Almighty has given them us.

Kobojunkie:
Garbage In/Garbage out applies only to those who do not have the Spirit of God as their Teacher. They are the ones who are likely to seek out edification from the things of the world, doctrines and traditions of men, and the lot. Those who are followers of Jesus Christ get their edification from the Spirit of God, God Himself, who is their one and only Teacher/Guide/Comforter/Counselor/Helper.

I don't see the relevance of the above verse to this topic. Again, God makes the rules,we are not to add or remove... we are simply to obey the rules AS He, the Almighty has given them us.

You will not see because you are not serving the Living God. You honour Him with your lips but your heart is far from Him.
Who is Jesus Christ to you?

Kobojunkie:
Garbage In/Garbage out applies only to those who do not have the Spirit of God as their Teacher. They are the ones who are likely to seek out edification from the things of the world, doctrines and traditions of men, and the lot. Those who are followers of Jesus Christ get their edification from the Spirit of God, God Himself, who is their one and only Teacher/Guide/Comforter/Counselor/Helper.

I don't see the relevance of the above verse to this topic. Again, God makes the rules,we are not to add or remove... we are simply to obey the rules AS He, the Almighty has given them us.

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Hmmmmmmmmmmm. The bible teaches many principles and one principle can be applied in so many ways depending on place, time, culture etc. So u can't just conclude that because the bible says nothing about smoking or pornography, they are not sinful. Yes, the bible says nothing about porn but it warned against lust. Nothing about smoking, but it talked about self control and our bodies being God's temple. What is difficult to understand here?

FarmTech:
Hmmmmmmmmmmm. The bible teaches many principles and one principle can be applied in so many ways depending on place, time, culture etc. So u can't just conclude that because the bible says nothing about smoking or pornography, they are not sinful. Yes, the bible says nothing about porn but it warned against lust. Nothing about smoking, but it talked about self control and our bodies being God's temple. What is difficult to understand here?

No man has the power to declare sinful that which God Himself has not declared Sin.
Jesus Christ did warn us against the sin of lust, going as far as suggesting that merely thinking it means you are guilty of it. But, we each have our thresholds and so each knows what he/she can handle and what he/she cannot. Suggesting there is a universal rule as to what is right or wrong where Jesus Christ did not declare any for such a situation is anti-Christ/against the commandment of Jesus Christ.

Self-control is not an anti-smoking rule. Self-control has to do with getting control over our choices and decisions - being aware of your choices so you are not ruled by them in anyway. A person who has self-control can still be a smoker. Sure, our body is the temple of God, and assuming you mean that we ought to keep it from that which is unclean, well same Jesus Christ said it is not what we eat/ingest that makes us unclean. So, again, when it comes to things we take in as well, it is all up to what the Spirit of God wants for an individual -- there are no general rules for all. Even drinking alcohol is sanctioned by God, and how much a person drinks is up to what that person can handle.

The only principles that God instructs us to follow are His commandments and His commandments alone. Anything else is not His and should not be tacked on as His commandment -- Whether of the Old Covenant, or the New Covenant. And we know from Jesus Christ's own teaching/commandment that all doctrines and rules of men are NOT of God, and they do nothing but nullify/make void the power of God

Mark 7 vs 1-13 (ERV)
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1. Now when the Pharisees gathered to him, with some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem,
2. they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed.
3. (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly,[a] holding to the tradition of the elders,
4. and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.[c])
[b] 5. And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?”
6. And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
“‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7. in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8. You leave the commandment of God and hold to the (doctrines and rules)** tradition of men.”
9. And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
10. For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’
11. But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban”’ (that is, given to God)[d]—
12. then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother,
13. thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted

franklytrue:
You will not see because you are not serving the Living God. You honour Him with your lips but your heart is far from Him.
Who is Jesus Christ to you?

That is B.S and you know it. In fact, go head and tell me what this verse from Malachi has to do with this topic or any thing being discussed here about what God has indeed commanded of us

Malachi 3:16-18 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

Kobojunkie:
That is B.S and you know it. In fact, go head and tell me what this verse from Malachi has to do with this topic or any thing being discussed here about what God has indeed commanded of us

B.S? The garbage you have been consuming and now you are spilling it out.
Who is Jesus Christ to you?

franklytrue:
B.S? The garbage you have been consuming and now you are spilling it out.
Who is Jesus Christ to you?

What garbage? You mean you have made rules in your mind against my language too?

Kobojunkie:
What garbage? You mean you have made rules in your mind against my language too?

Who is Jesus Christ to you?
If you wouldn't answer that, we have nothing more to talk about.

franklytrue:

Who is Jesus Christ to you?
If you wouldn't answer that, we have nothing more to talk about.

Get over yourself!

Kobojunkie:
Get over yourself!

The people who call Jesus here and there as if they know Him (have any encounter/experience of Him) but He has nothing to do with them, since He is not their Lord and personal Saviour; lip service people.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. - Matthew 7:22-23

For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. - Romans 16:18

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. - 1 Corinthians 12:3

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. - Jude 1:4

If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. - 1 Timothy 6:3-5

Seek the Lord Jesus Christ in spirit and in truth, and when you find Him we can talk again. Goodbye

franklytrue:


The people who call Jesus here and there as if they know Him (have any encounter/experience of Him) but He has nothing to do with them, since He is not their Lord and personal Saviour; lip service people.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. - Matthew 7:22-23

For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. - Romans 16:18

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. - 1 Corinthians 12:3

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. - Jude 1:4

If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. - 1 Timothy 6:3-5

Seek the Lord Jesus Christ in spirit and in truth, and when you find Him we can talk again. Goodbye

learn to stick to discussing the topic at hand if you intend to make a point. Going off on a tangent, pushing your personal delusions as facts only shows you a dishonest debate of ideas.

A huge portion of what many of you believe has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ or His teachings, but more to do with the many delusions and lies you have been fed by those whom you have set as Masters over your lives.

Aggressive Minority forcing his views on the majority.

Who is Jesus Christ to you, you won't answer. I tire for u!

All because of music. Chai, if it is a Muslim thread these dumbfucks here will be there telling Muslim's to repent or insulting them. I rep Moslems on nairaland pass atheists self, una no dey waste your time on top these hypocrites.

Kalatium:



During the time of jesus there was no movies for him to command. Jesus did not sing any song. But how comes we are singing gospel songs today.

Are you telling me you haven't watch secular movies before or you are just not being practical.

P. S.

The verses you quote above are talking about different things entirely, the last one is even talking about money and has nothing to do with watching movies or music.

During the time of Jesus on Earth, there were operas and concerts. And there music's also.

Kalatium:

Exactly what i am saying.

Although i don't encourage watching pornographic movies etc but it is not bad to watch a movie about Abraham Lincoln the president of America or read non-christian books because they don't praise God, they can help.

If u watch/listen movies/musics for hours without reading or praying for hours then it's not good. That's how I feel.