Barristter07:


Don't be an empty barrel making noise, help your brothers on the thread .

I have taken u up on your Romans 11:36....I guess u r already shivering in your pants

Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon was well versed in the wisdom of the world, he didn't even boast of a house but a whole city called Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar said i build Babylon! Daniel 4:30

Please go and argue with Nebuchadnezzar, he is not just a landlord but an Emperor claiming he built a whole city all by himself, does that mean Nebuchadnezzar never employed Craftsmen?

Sorry Emusan i'm done with blind arguments, just know that you're wrong people often claim they built alone simply because they're the brain behind the structure. Of course they were created in God's image that's why they speak of building alone not because there were no Craftsmen but because they are the brain behind what they are referring to!

Emusan:

No LANDLORD who is not an Engineer will ever CLAIM "I built MY HOUSE ALL BY MYSELF"

Emusan:


You lied, Romans 11:36 didn't say God didn't create the universe BY HIMSELF and ALONE.

When something came from and through you, you become the Maker and the agent. So you lied.

This is the verse again to cure your delusion!

CEB: "The Lord alone led Israel; no foreign god assisted."

Emphasis on " Alone " , Did Moses (a god ) assisted?

Nothing came through the Father that wasn't THROUGH THE SON.

You can provide the verse that says otherwise.

The fact that, ALL THINGS came through both the Father and the Son means they are the same.


That's is the reason your demonic organization has to FRAUDULENTLY INSERTED the word "OTHER" more than 3 times in that Colossians 1:16-17

Father and son are the same persons ?

A proverb said " Dog wey go lost, no go hear whistle. "

freshboi88:


I will take u on this verse u think is ur lifeline

36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.

To him be the glory forever! Amen.

Who is Paul referring to here. Answer lemme finish u

Yeebariba wetin man no go see for Nairaland


Okay, Paul is reffering to the Father ... Mr Finisher ,oya

MaxInDHouse:
Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon was well versed in the wisdom of the world, he didn't even boast of a house but a whole city called Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar said i build Babylon! Daniel 4:30

Please go and argue with Nebuchadnezzar, he is not just a landlord but an Emperor claiming he built a whole city all by himself, does that mean Nebuchadnezzar never employed Craftsmen?

Sorry Emusan i'm done with blind arguments, just know that you're wrong people often claim they built alone simply because they're the brain behind the structure. Of course they were created in God's image that's why they speak of building alone not because there were no Craftsmen but because they are the brain behind what they are referring to!

Insightful !!! Brilliance.

Barristter07:
When something came from and through you, you become the Maker and the agent. So you lied.

You lied! God created everything ALONE and BY HIMSELF.

A Maker did it by HIM/HERSELF

An Agent acts on behalf of another, so who was God act on His behalf during creation?

You have roped yourself into more trouble.

Emphasis on " Alone " , Did Moses (a god ) assisted?

Coming with useless word of "emphasis"

Was the verse talking about DEITY helping the only True God or not? That's the point.

Father and son are the same persons ?

A proverb said " Dog wey go lost, no go hear whistle. "

Where did I say THEY ARE THE SAME PERSONS?

Lying liar JWs!

Emusan:


You lied! God created everything ALONE and BY HIMSELF.

A Maker did it by HIM/HERSELF


An Agent acts on behalf of another, so who was God act on His behalf during creation?

You have roped yourself into more trouble.

Came " Through him " , an agent of Himself .


Scriptural Fact

Coming with useless word of "emphasis"

Was the verse talking about DEITY helping the only True God or not? That's the point.

Moses a god assisted, yes or no ?

Where did I say THEY ARE THE SAME PERSONS?

Lying liar JWs!

You can only make sense if both are the same persons , anything else you will have to tell us what came through the Father that didn't came through the son, to justify that something truly came from the Father .


Father and Son are the same what ?

MaxInDHouse:
Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon was well versed in the wisdom of the world, he didn't even boast of a house but a whole city called Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar said i build Babylon! Daniel 4:30

So shameful how you people change the narration just to support your devilish doctrine.

Where in that Daniel that Nebuchadnezzar claimed to build Babylon BY HIMSELF AND ALONE?

Or where Nebuchadnezzar was said to have laid just a single BLOCK/BRICK with his OWN HANDS

Or how Nebuchadnezzar was described to have handled any tools during the construction?

Please go and argue with Nebuchadnezzar, he is not just a landlord but an Emperor claiming he built a whole city all by himself, does that mean Nebuchadnezzar never employed Craftsmen?

Rather, go and learn what it means for someone to claim, he did things by HIMSELF and ALONE.

Sorry Emusan i'm done with blind arguments,

Says the deluded JWs who will still come and lie

just know that you're wrong people often claim they built alone simply because they're the brain behind the structure.

But no one will ever says s/he BUILT by HIMSELF and ALONE not to even mention that they did it WITH THEIR OWN HANDS.

Of course they were created in God's image that's why they speak of building alone not because there were no Craftsmen but because they are the brain behind what they are referring to!

See quack reasoning and this is because you still want to keep defending your demonic doctrines.

Why will God lie that He created everything with His OWN HAND, BY HIMSELF AND ALONE when it was another being doing it.

Barristter07:
Came " Through him " , an agent of Himself .

Scriptural Fact

Now see your life outside!

So The Son is also an agent of HIMSELF since ALL THINGS are through Him.

Moses a god assisted, yes or no ?

Then God is lying that a god didn't assist Him, yes or no?

You can only make sense if both are the same persons,

Show me where I said Father and Son are the same persons.

Lying liar like your father the Devil.

anything else you will have to tell us what came through the Father that didn't came through the son

See the deluded JWs who we should be asking if there's anything that came through the Father that didn't come through the son, when the scripture says ALL THINGS came through both the Father and the Son.

to justify that something truly came from the Father.

Another lie, SOMETHING didn't come from the Father, rather ALL THINGS came from the Father, which scripture likewise says ALL THINGS came from the Son.

Father and Son are the same what?

Until you show me where I said they are the same PERSONS.

Emusan:


Now see your life outside!

So The Son is also an agent of HIMSELF since ALL THINGS are through Him.

You see why you are silly, According to 1Corinthians 8:6 , all things came from the Father. He alone is the source , so Jesus was an agent on his behalf. Jesus is not the source of anything.

So if the Father was said to be an agent of himself , for which creation ?

Then God is lying that a god didn't assist Him, yes or no?

No, he is not lying, He Alone does it . We arrive at the point, He can claim Glory for whatever he does through others. Because they relied on his power .

Show me where I said Father and Son are the same persons.

Lying liar like your father the Devil.

You saw a question mark,

Father and son are same what ?

See the deluded JWs who we should be asking if there's anything that came through the Father that didn't come through the son, when the scripture says ALL THINGS came through both the Father and the Son.

To justify that ALL WHAT CAME THROUGH THE FATHER also came THROUGH THE SON.

Until you show me where I said they are the same PERSONS.

Father and son are different persons. So it's illogical that same thing came through both. Apart from the things that came through the son, what came through the Father ?

Go and read Nebuchadnezzar's word in different versions of the Bible then come back and let us chat. Daniel 4:30
May you have Peace!

Emusan:


So shameful how you people change the narration just to support your devilish doctrine.

Where in that Daniel that Nebuchadnezzar claimed to build Babylon BY HIMSELF AND ALONE?

Or where Nebuchadnezzar was said to have laid just a single BLOCK/BRICK with his OWN HANDS

Or how Nebuchadnezzar was described to have handled any tools during the construction?



Rather, go and learn what it means for someone to claim, he did things by HIMSELF and ALONE.



Says the deluded JWs who will still come and lie



But no one will ever says s/he BUILT by HIMSELF and ALONE not to even mention that they did it WITH THEIR OWN HANDS.



See quack reasoning and this is because you still want to keep defending your demonic doctrines.

Why will God lie that He created everything with His OWN HAND, BY HIMSELF AND ALONE when it was another being doing it.

SHALOM!

I immediately knew that your Strawman Argument was a lie, because Lord Yeshua never taught his Disciples to pray to HIM.

Preciousgirl:

Acts 7:59

[59]And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”

I knew I remembered Stephen called on God, according to the text.

I REALIZED, UPON REVISITATION, THAT MY RECOLLECTION WAS TOTALLY WRONG!

. ACTS 7:59.

59. And they stoned Stephen,
calling upon (God),
and saying,

"Lord Jesus,
receive my spirit."

IN THE KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE, WHENEVER WORDS ARE ITALICIZED, IT MEANS THAT THOSE WORDS WERE NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL TEXT, BUT WERE ADDED BY THE TRANSLATORS.

Those words are not needed by the native speakers of those languages, but foreigners would never be able to understand what was meant, without a native speaker's explanation.

It is inappropriate and immature to call this a "scam" of any sort.

Multilingual readers should know of examples of words and phrases that do not have accurate word-for-word transliteration in the languages they speak.

Phrases that are parts of Proverbs that native speakers should know, but foreign learners never heard of before.

STEPHEN DID ACTUALLY PRAY TO LORD YESHUA INSTEAD OF TO GOD.

The OP was therefore correct to believe that was what The Bible taught.

THE FAULT IS WITH THE TRANSLATORS.

It is part of the maturation process, to learn that The Bible is NOT fully-reliable.

oaroloye:

. MARK 11:12-26.

12. And on the morrow,
when they had
come from Bethany,
he was hungry:
13. And seeing a fig tree
afar off having leaves,
he went to see if perhaps
he might find
any thing thereon:
But when he came to it
he found nothing
but leaves;
for the time
for figs was not (yet).

14. And Jesus Answered
and Said unto it,

“Let no man
eat fruit of thee hereafter
for ever.”

And his Disciples heard (it).
15. And they come to Jerusalem:
and Jesus went into The Temple,
and began to cast out
them that sold and bought
in The Temple,
and overthrew
the tables of the moneychangers,
and the seats of them
that sold doves;
16. And would not suffer
that any man should carry
any vessel through the Temple.
17. And he Taught,
saying unto them,

"Is it not written,

'MY HOUSE SHALL BE
CALLED OF ALL NATIONS
THE HOUSE OF PRAYER?
BUT YE HAVE MADE IT
A DEN OF THIEVES.' "

18. And the Scribes
and Chief Priests
heard it,
and sought how
they might destroy him:
for they feared him,
because all the people
was astonished at his Doctrine.
19. And when even was come,
he went out of the city.

20 And in the morning,
as they passed by,
they saw the fig tree
dried up from the roots.
21. And Peter,
calling to remembrance
saith unto him,

“Master, behold,
the fig tree
which thou cursedst
is withered away.”
22. And Jesus Answering,
Said unto them,

“Have Faith in God.
23. "For verily I Say unto you,

'THAT WHOSOEVER SHALL SAY
UNTO THIS MOUNTAIN,

"BE THOU REMOVED,
AND BE THOU
CAST INTO THE SEA;'

AND SHALL NOT
DOUBT IN HIS HEART,
BUT SHALL BELIEVE
THAT THOSE THINGS
WHICH HE SAITH
SHALL COME TO PASS;
HE SHALL HAVE
WHATSOEVER HE SAITH.'

24. "Therefore I Say unto you,

'WHAT THINGS SOEVER YE DESIRE,
WHEN YE PRAY,
BELIEVE THAT YE RECEIVE (THEM),
AND YE SHALL HAVE (THEM).'

25. "And when ye stand praying,
forgive, if ye have aught against any,
that your Father also
which is in Heaven
may forgive you your trespasses.
26. "But if ye do not forgive,
neither will your Father
Which is in Heaven
forgive your trespasses."

STEPHEN HAD MULTIPLE OPTIONS TO GET OUT OF BEING STONED TO DEATH.

He failed to take them.

Lord Yeshua could have spontaneously rescued him, but he did not deserve it.

Every one says, "POOR STEPHEN!"

No one says, "POOR ANANIAS AND SAPPHIRA!"

STEPHEN was a partakers of the condemnation of ANANIAS and SAPPHIRA- therefore HE was condemned.

oaroloye:


. MATTHEW 25:13-30.

13. "Watch therefore,
for ye know neither
the Day nor the Hour wherein
The Son of Man cometh.
14. "For The Kingdom of Heaven
is as a man travelling
into a far country,
who called his own servants,
and delivered unto them
his goods.
15. "And unto one
he gave five talents,
to another two,
and to another one;
to every man according to
his several ability;
and straightway
took his journey.
16. "Then he that had
received the five talents
went and traded
with the same,
and made them
other five talents.
17. "And likewise he
that had received two,
he also gained other two.
18. "But he that had
received one
went and digged in the earth,
and hid his lord's money.
19. "After a long time
the lord of those servants cometh,
and reckoneth with them.
20. "And so he that had
received five talents
came and brought
other five talents,
saying,

'LORD,
THOU DELIVEREDST
UNTO ME FIVE TALENTS:
BEHOLD,
I HAVE GAINED
BESIDE THEM
FIVE TALENTS MORE.'

21. "His lord
said unto him,

'WELL DONE,
THOU GOOD
AND FAITHFUL SERVANT:
THOU HAST BEEN
FAITHFUL OVER
A FEW THINGS,
I WILL MAKE THEE RULER
OVER MANY THINGS:
ENTER THOU INTO
THE JOY OF THY LORD.'

22. "He also that had
received two talents
came and said,

'LORD,
THOU DELIVEREDST
UNTO ME TWO TALENTS:
BEHOLD,
I HAVE GAINED
TWO OTHER TALENTS
BESIDE THEM.'

23. "His lord
said unto him,

'WELL DONE,
GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT;
THOU HAST BEEN
FAITHFUL OVER
A FEW THINGS,
I WILL MAKE THEE RULER
OVER MANY THINGS:
ENTER THOU INTO
THE JOY OF THY LORD.'

24. "Then he which had
received the one talent
came and said,

'LORD,
I KNEW THEE
THAT THOU ART
AN HARD MAN,
REAPING WHERE
THOU HAST NOT SOWN,
AND GATHERING
WHERE THOU HAST
NOT STRAWED:
25. AND I WAS AFRAID,
AND WENT AND HID
THY TALENT IN THE EARTH:
LO, THERE THOU HAST
THAT IS THINE.'

26. "His lord answered
and said unto him,

'THOU WICKED
AND SLOTHFUL SERVANT,
THOU KNEWEST
THAT I REAP
WHERE I SOWED NOT,
AND GATHER WHERE
I HAVE NOT STRAWED:
27. 'THOU OUGHTEST THEREFORE
TO HAVE PUT MY MONEY
TO THE EXCHANGERS,
AND THEN AT MY COMING
I SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED
MINE OWN WITH USURY.
28. 'TAKE THEREFORE
THE TALENT FROM HIM,
AND GIVE IT UNTO HIM
WHICH HATH TEN TALENTS.
29. 'FOR UNTO EVERY ONE
THAT HATH
SHALL BE GIVEN,
AND HE SHALL
HAVE ABUNDANCE:
BUT FROM HIM
THAT HATH NOT
SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY
EVEN THAT WHICH HE HATH.
30. 'AND CAST YE
THE UNPROFITABLE SERVANT
INTO OUTER DARKNESS:
THERE SHALL BE
WEEPING AND GNASHING
OF TEETH.' "

STEPHEN COULD SEE LORD YESHUA IN HEAVEN: HE COULD HAVE ASKED FOR LITERALLY ANYTHING!!!

He could have asked for those stoning him to forget what he looked like.

He could have asked that God put them all to sleep!

He could have asked for everyone's eyes to be opened, and they all see what he was seeing.

He could have asked for what to tell them, to make them stop.

Instead, he asked for the dumbest thing possible!

oaroloye:

. JOHN 8:51-53.

51. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'IF A MAN
KEEP MY SAYING,
HE SHALL NEVER
SEE DEATH.' "

52. Then said the Jews
unto him,

"Now we know
that thou hast a Devil.
Abraham is dead,
and the Prophets;
and thou sayest,

'IF A MAN
KEEP MY SAYING,
HE SHALL NEVER
TASTE OF DEATH.'

53. "Art thou greater
than our father Abraham,
which is dead?
and the Prophets are dead:
whom makest thou thyself?"

. JOHN 11:25-26.

25. Jesus Said unto her,

"I am The Resurrection,
and The Life:
he that believeth in me,
hough he were dead,
yet shall he live:
26. "And whosoever liveth
and believeth in me
shall never die.
Believest thou this?"

. JOHN 12:42-50.

42. Nevertheless among
the chief Rulers also
many believed on him;
but because of the Pharisees
they did not confess him,
lest they should be
put out of the Synagogue:
43. For they loved
the praise of men
more than The Praise of God.

44. Jesus Cried and Said,

"He that believeth on me,
believeth not on me,
but on him that sent me.
45. "And he that seeth me
seeth Him that sent me.
46. "I am come a Light
into the World,
that whosoever believeth on me
should not abide in Darkness.
47. "And if any man hear my Words,
and believe not,
I judge him not:
for I came not to Judge the World,
but to save the World.
48. "He that rejecteth me,
and receiveth not my Words,
hath One that Judgeth him:
The Word that I have spoken,
The Same shall Judge him
in The Last Day.
49. "For I have not Spoken of myself;
but The Father Which sent me,
He gave me a Commandment,
what I should Say,
and what I should Speak.
50. "And I know that
His Commandment is Life Everlasting:
whatsoever I Speak therefore,
even as The Father Said unto me,
so I Speak."

. THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25.)

1. TOTAL RECALL.
2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
3. TELEKINESIS.
4. TELEPORTATION.
5. TRANSLATION.
6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE.

The Disciples were not being told that they had not merely a Right, but a DUTY to FLEE PERSECUTION.

They were not being told that WASTING THEIR LIVES is an OFFENSE.

There were hundreds into thousands of so-called Christians, when Stephen was stoned- WHERE THE (*Bleep!*) WHERE THEY?

I believe that they were ORDERED not to HELP Stephen.

He was a THREAT to the supremacy of the "APOSTLES." Everyone who saw Lord Yeshua after his Resurrection, who might replace them, were deemed threats, and fed to SAUL, who got rid of their "threat" for them.

WHAT IMPRESSED ME ABOUT STEPHEN'S VISION WAS THAT LORD YESHUA STOOD UP FROM HIS SEAT BY GOD TO OVERSEE THIS SITUATION!

This is where it was finally decided whether or not CHRISTIANITY would be greater than DEATH.

If Stephen had worked ANY Miracle to SAVE HIMSELF, no Christian should ever have been killable again.

But he SUCCUMBED to SATAN, SINNERS, and THE EARTH- and THAT is why Christians have died, as if Lord Yeshua had never Resurrected at all, and OVERCOME DEATH for us.

. JOHN 16:23-27.

23. "And in That Day
ye shall ask me Nothing.
Verily, verily, I Say unto you,

'WHATSOEVER YE SHALL
ASK THE FATHER
IN MY NAME,
HE WILL GIVE IT YOU.'

24. "Hitherto have ye asked
Nothing in my Name:
ask, and ye shall Receive,
that your Joy may be Full.
25. "These things have I
Spoken unto you in Proverbs:
but the time cometh,
when I shall no more
Speak unto you in Proverbs,
but I shall Shew you
plainly of The Father.
26. "At That Day ye shall ask
in my Name:
and I say not unto you,
that I will pray The Father for you:
27. "For The Father himself loveth you,
because ye have loved me,
and have believed
that I came out from God."

LORD YESHUA TAUGHT HIS DISCIPLES TO PRAY TO GOD: THE FATHER.

The Disciples could only have been teaching RUBBISH, if STEPHEN was making his request to LORD YESHUA, instead of to GOD in Lord Yeshua's NAME.

It is important to understand, that, JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IN THE BIBLE SAYS OR DOES SOMETHING, THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT!

. LUKE 12:11-21.

11. "And when they
bring you into
the Synagogues,
and unto Magistrates,
and Powers,
take ye no thought
how or what thing
ye shall answer,
or what ye shall say:
12. "For The Holy Ghost
shall Teach you
in the same hour
what ye ought to say."

13. And one
of the company
said unto him,I

"Master, speak
to my brother,
that he divide
the inheritance with me."

14. And he Said unto him,

"Man, who made me
a Judge or a Divider
over you?"

15. And he Said
unto them,

"Take heed,
and beware
of Covetousness:
for a man's life
consisteth not
in the abundance
of the things
which he possesseth."

16. And he Spake a Parable unto them,
Saying,

"The ground of
a certain rich man
brought forth plentifully:
17. "And he thought
within himself,
saying,

'WHAT SHALL I DO,
BECAUSE I HAVE
NO ROOM
WHERE TO BESTOW
MY FRUITS?'

18. "And he said,

'THIS I WILL DO:
I WILL PULL DOWN
MY BARNS,
AND BUILD GREATER;
AND THERE WILL I
BESTOW ALL MY FRUITS
AND MY GOODS.
19. 'AND I WILL SAY
TO MY SOUL,

"SOUL, THOU HAST
MUCH GOODS LAID UP
FOR MANY YEARS:
TAKE THINE EASE,
EAT, DRINK,
AND BE MERRY." '

20. "But God Said
unto him,

'THOU FOOL,
THIS NIGHT THY SOUL
SHALL BE REQUIRED
OF THEE:
THEN WHOSE SHALL
THOSE THINGS BE,
WHICH THOU
HAST PROVIDED?'

21. "So is he
that layeth up
treasure for himself,
and is not rich
toward God."

WHO WAS IT THAT TAUGHT STEPHEN THAT LORD YESHUA WAS A "RECEIVER OF SPIRITS?"

WHEN did that ever become HIS function?

WHERE did he ever say that he would do that?

That must have been the Hypocritical Rationalization adopted after the Deaths of ANANIAS AND SAPPHIRA- contrary to THE LAW and contrary to THE GOSPEL.

STEPHEN and ALL the Church had departed from LORD YESHUA'S FOUNDATION, and that is what KILLED ALL OF THEM.

Barristter07:
You see why you are silly, According to 1Corinthians 8:6 , all things came from the Father. He alone is the source, so Jesus was an agent on his behalf. Jesus is not the source of anything.

Stop giving your nickname to other, you're the most silly one here.

It's like you wake up with lies this morning.

@red & blue, But Jesus is the source of life. So Father alone isn't the SOURCE and you lied again that Jesus isn't the SOURCE of Anything.

You can see how you people keep making scripture and God a liar.

So if the Father was said to be an agent of himself , for which creation ?

The Son was also said to be an agent of Himself since ALL THINGS came through both.

No, he is not lying, He Alone does it . We arrive at the point, He can claim Glory for whatever he does through others. Because they relied on his power

Making claim on what other did which you didn't do is dishonesty and has no integrity.

The scripture described how God uses His OWN HANDS in creation.

How God HIMSELF participated in the creation without ANYBODY ASSISTING HIM.

All these scriptures will be a lie and make God a dishonest person if actually He did use a being and latter claiming glory for it.

You saw a question mark,

Father and son are same what ?

Show me where I said, they are the same persons

Lying liar like your father the Devil.

Father and son are different persons. So it's illogical that same thing came through both.

But the scripture says ALL THINGS came through both the Father and the Son.

Who should we believe, you or the scripture?

Apart from the things that came through the son, what came through the Father ?

ALL THINGS came through both the Father and the Son.

Emusan:


Stop giving your nickname to other, you're the most silly one here.

It's like you wake up with lies this morning.

@red & blue, But Jesus is the source of life. So Father alone isn't the SOURCE and you lied again that Jesus isn't the SOURCE of Anything.

You can see how you people keep making scripture and God a liar.

1 Cor 8:6

" yet *we* have but one God, the Father, who is the source of all things "
Emphasis on ALL, everything. I was right. Only the Father was an agent of himself. Not Jesus

Which led to the next point below

The Son was also said to be an agent of Himself since ALL THINGS came through both.

Making claim on what other did which you didn't do is dishonesty and has no integrity.

The scripture described how God uses His OWN HANDS in creation.

How God HIMSELF participated in the creation without ANYBODY ASSISTING HIM.

All these scriptures will be a lie and make God a dishonest person if actually He did use a being and latter claiming glory for it.

Show me where I said, they are the same persons

Lying liar like your father the Devil.

But the scripture says ALL THINGS came through both the Father and the Son.

Who should we believe, you or the scripture?

ALL THINGS came through both the Father and the Son.

Here is the logic .

If all things came through the son, it means nothing came through the Father. He wasn't the agent.

But if something responsible for everything came through the Father , he therefore is an agent of all things by virtue of what came through him.

Are you implying that everything was through the son , and nothing came through the Father ?

The only way out of tht question is if you tell us if Father and son are the same persons. ( U already said they are the same, now specify, same what ?)

MaxInDHouse:
Go and read Nebuchadnezzar's word in different versions of the Bible then come back and let us chat. Daniel 4:30
May you have Peace!

So you can direct people to other versions, do you also read Bible passages from other versions to know how they were structured?

I've read it and didn't see where anywhere Nebuchadnezzar said he built the city by HIMSELF AND ALONE, or he did it with his OWN HANDS.

OR any version described how he laid just one brick.

compare to God speaking in creation!

"It is I who by my great power and my outstretched arm have made the earth, with the men and animals that are on the earth, and I give it to whomever it seems right to me. Jer 27:5

Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself, Isaiah 44:24

I made the earth and created man on it; it was my hands that stretched out the heavens, and I commanded all their host. Isaiah 45:12

“You are the Lord, you alone. You have made heaven, the heaven of heavens, Neh 9:6


And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. Gen 2:3

“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Job 38:4

It will be a dishonesty on the part of God if actually it was another being doing this and God is making all these claims.

Peace Mr Emusan, May you have Peace!

Emusan:


So you can direct people to other versions, do you also read Bible passages from other versions to know how they were structured?

I've read it and didn't see where anywhere Nebuchadnezzar said he built the city by HIMSELF AND ALONE, or he did it with his OWN HANDS.

OR any version described how he laid just one brick.

compare to God speaking in creation!

"It is I who by my great power and my outstretched arm have made the earth, with the men and animals that are on the earth, and I give it to whomever it seems right to me. Jer 27:5

Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself, Isaiah 44:24

I made the earth and created man on it; it was my hands that stretched out the heavens, and I commanded all their host. Isaiah 45:12

“You are the Lord, you alone. You have made heaven, the heaven of heavens, Neh 9:6


And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. Gen 2:3

“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Job 38:4

It will be a dishonesty on the part of God if actually it was another being doing this and God is making all these claims.

Barristter07:
1 Cor 8:6

" yet *we* have but one God, the Father, who is the source of all things "
Emphasis on ALL, everything. I was right. Only the Father was an agent of himself. Not Jesus

Which led to the next point below

Jesus is the SOURCE OF LIFE, which makes you a liar for saying Jesus isn't the source of ANYTHING

The emphasis is on ANYTHING

So both the Father and the Son are SOURCE OF CREATION, which is while the scripture can say ALL THINGS came through them.

Here is the logic .

If all things came through the son, it means nothing came through the Father. He wasn't the agent.

Your logic is awkward!

Didn't the scripture say ALL THINGS came through the Son?

You're trying to change the narration by "IF ALL THINGS"

But if something responsible for everything came through the Father , he therefore is an agent of all things by virtue of what came through him.

Likewise the Son because ALL THINGS came through the Son as well.

Are you implying that everything was through the son , and nothing came through the Father ?

See the idiot, he wants to put word in my mouth.

The scripture says ALL THINGS came through both the Son and the Father.

Is scripture lying here?

The only way out of tht question is if you tell us if Father and son are the same persons. ( U already said they are the same, now specify, same what ?)

Finally your lying mouth has been exposed, it means I didn't say "the Father and the Son are the same persons" lying liar JWs.

They are the same BEING!

MaxInDHouse:
Peace Mr Emusan, May you have Peace!

Peace Mr MaxInHouse, may you have Peace!

MaxInDHouse:
Peace Mr Emusan, May you have Peace!

Peace Mr MaxInHouse, may you have Peace!

Barristter07:


Yeebariba wetin man no go see for Nairaland


Okay, Paul is reffering to the Father ... Mr Finisher ,oya

Paul was referring to the father and yet Paul says:

Romans 11:36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.

To him be the glory forever! Amen.

@bolded why are all things created through him. According to your teaching, all things were created through Jesus abi?

Watching u change the goal post will be hilarious ����

Thanks Sir!

Emusan:


Peace Mr MaxInHouse, may you have Peace!

Emusan:


Jesus is the SOURCE OF LIFE, which makes you a liar for saying Jesus isn't the source of ANYTHING

The emphasis is on ANYTHING

So both the Father and the Son are SOURCE OF CREATION, which is while the scripture can say ALL THINGS came through them.

The Father is the source of ALL things.

You can relax now, who gave Jesus Life ?

You don't have sense o, someone is source yet was given

Your logic is awkward!

Didn't the scripture say ALL THINGS came through the Son?

You're trying to change the narration by "IF ALL THINGS"

Likewise the Son because ALL THINGS came through the Son as well.

See the idiot, he wants to put word in my mouth.

The scripture says ALL THINGS came through both the Son and the Father.

Is scripture lying here?

U still don't get it .
Romans 11:36 says all things are From the Father , through the Father and For the Father.

Let me illustrate with the " FOR HIM "

The same bible said all things were made through Jesus and for him.

But there is a difference, it said everything were made for the Father because even Jesus himself belong to the Father.

That help us realize why even the Father is spoken of as All things were made for the Father.

Now the same logic applies to " through him" , unless you mean Jesus belong to himself. If Jesus didn't belong to himself, then through the Father means Jesus himself came Through the agency of the Father !!!

Finally your lying mouth has been exposed, it means I didn't say "the Father and the Son are the same persons" lying liar JWs.

They are the same BEING!

Cambridge Dictionary: Being , a person ... that exists

So you finally nail yourself. That they are same persons. Father and son are same person, see your life

freshboi88:


Paul was referring to the father and yet Paul says:

Romans 11:36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.

To him be the glory forever! Amen.

@bolded why are all things created through him. According to your teaching, all things were created through Jesus abi?

Watching u change the goal post will be hilarious ����

Na real wah , in short you mean it was reffering to Jesus. Okay let us examine your claim with scripture


35 Or, “who has first given to him , so that it must be repaid to him?” 36 Because from him and by him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen
The person spoken of here has never been given anything by anyone.

Has Jesus been Given anything before ?

Barristter07:


Na real wah , in short you mean it was reffering to Jesus. Okay let us examine your claim with scripture


35 Or, “who has first given to him , so that it must be repaid to him?” 36 Because from him and by him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen
The person spoken of here has never been given anything by anyone.

Has Jesus been Given anything before ?

Use your brain nah. I didn't say it was. U said it was Jehovah. I asked u to explain why the verse says all things were made through Jehovah when going by Ur own teachings, u say Jehovah made every other thing through Jesus.

E shock u as I hook u ABI......


Guys watch him try to avoid the question

Barristter07:

Romans 11:36, so what came through the Father ? Cos it can't be the same thing that came through the son . That would be a lie

oga where is the father written in that place? You just jump into what you do not even know.

Barristter07:


" Ye are gods" including Moses

The point is He could claim he alone lead them, when it was actually through Moses ?

ye are gods is only a metaphorical statement, the next statement in that statement said they shall die as men, can God die? No they were never gods..
In reality there is no God apart from Jehovah,
Moses was never truly God only Jehovah is truly God, so Jehovah the true God lead Israel there was no other God.

Barristter07:


Na real wah , in short you mean it was reffering to Jesus. Okay let us examine your claim with scripture


35 Or, “who has first given to him , so that it must be repaid to him?” 36 Because from him and by him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen
The person spoken of here has never been given anything by anyone.

Has Jesus been Given anything before ?

at underlined that part is talking off lending that is to be repaid.
Has Jesus be given anything that is to be repaid before?

Barristter07:


The Father is the source of ALL things.

You can relax now, who gave Jesus Life ?

You don't have sense o, someone is source yet was given


U still don't get it .
Romans 11:36 says all things are From the Father , through the Father and For the Father.

Let me illustrate with the " FOR HIM "

The same bible said all things were made through Jesus and for him.

But there is a difference, it said everything were made for the Father because even Jesus himself belong to the Father.

That help us realize why even the Father is spoken of as All things were made for the Father.

Now the same logic applies to " through him" , unless you mean Jesus belong to himself. If Jesus didn't belong to himself, then through the Father means Jesus himself came Through the agency of the Father !!!



Cambridge Dictionary: Being , a person ... that exists

So you finally nail yourself. That they are same persons. Father and son are same person, see your life

All things were made for Jesus,
The 'him' that is being referred to is Jesus.

Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:.

I'm not open to fruitless, pointless and worthless arguments! Titus 3:9

My own Jesus was created by a higher being and he has proved himself by presenting Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the globe as his faithful disciples {Act 1:8} the world know JWs as the one and only group where no member is encouraged to lift up weapons for any reason whatsoever {Micah 4:1-3} so if anyone wants to argue this let him/her simply present a better performing global peace loving group after all there can never be a global family of peace loving people without a PRINCE leading them in the spirit {Isaiah 9:6} he taught his group never to lead by the use of weapons {Matthew 26:52} and it's a known fact that armed guards can't be seen among Jehovah's Witnesses just as Jesus never go about with armed guards!
Enough of the pointless arguments, let's present evidence that the Prince of Peace is in our midst!

Barristter07:

MaXinDhouse gave a good illustration yet you stick to your odd lies. Let me give you a scriptural example in addition
At Deuteronomy 32:12 we read " The Lord alone led Israel " CEB .
Can you explain this ? Did he led them through Moses ?
Over to you.

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks Sir!

You're welcome sir!

Barristter07:
The Father is the source of ALL things.

You can relax now, who gave Jesus Life ?

You don't have sense o, someone is source yet was given

Reason I do say you're Olodo oshi!

Jesus is THE LIFE ITSELF, how can someone gave LIFE a life

And Jesus is the SOURCE OF LIFE, which put your lying mouth into coven of your father the Devil that Jesus is not SOURCE OF ANYTHING.

Lying liar JWs.

U still don't get it .
Romans 11:36 says all things are From the Father , through the Father and For the Father.

Let me illustrate with the " FOR HIM "

The same bible said all things were made through Jesus and for him.

Deluded person says I didn't get it when it's obvious that it's your deluded mind that didn't get it.

ALL THINGS came through both the Father and the Son, and ALL THINGS were created FOR TJE FATHER AND THE SON.

This proves that The Father and the Son are of the same being.

But there is a difference, it said everything were made for the Father because even Jesus himself belong to the Father.

AS EVERYTHING were made for the Son, which means Jesus belongs to Himself just as the Father belongs to Himself.

Olodo...

That help us realize why even the Father is spoken of as All things were made for the Father.

And the Son is spoken of as ALL THINGS were made FOR THE SON.

If ALL THINGS came through both the Father and the Son and ALL THINGS were made for both the Father and the Son, then it means, they are of the same being.

Now the same logic applies to " through him" , unless you mean Jesus belong to himself. If Jesus didn't belong to himself, then through the Father means Jesus himself came Through the agency of the Father !!!

ALL THINGS came through the Son and the Father means they are of the same Being.

If "through him" the Son means Jesus came through the Agency of the Father, then "through him the Father" means the Father also came through the agency of the Son.

Cambridge Dictionary: Being , a person ... that exists

So you finally nail yourself. That they are same persons. Father and son are same person, see your life

Oponu radarada!

Hear it from the deluded JWs!
"That they are same persons (plural)"
"Father and son are same person (singular)" In one breath of a statement.

And the idiot can't still produce where I said "the Father and the Son are the same persons"

lying liar JWs like your father the Devil!

Barristter07:


Insightful !!! Brilliance.

So u find brilliance in a nonsense that puts God and Nebuchadnezzar side by side. Pple too Mumv for this life o