Barristter07:


Came " Through him " , an agent of Himself .


Scriptural Fact



Moses a god assisted, yes or no ?


You can only make sense if both are the same persons , anything else you will have to tell us what came through the Father that didn't came through the son, to justify that something truly came from the Father .


Father and Son are the same what ?

Jehovah must also be an agent based on the verse u quoted...Ode.....Ur mum*ness is extraordinary everday

MaxInDHouse:
Peace Mr Emusan, May you have Peace!

They have finished u, u r claiming may u have peace. What will he have before nah pieces. Hi and Siddon Mr Nebuchadnezzar

Peace Mr freshboi88, may you have Peace Sir!

freshboi88:


They have finished u, u r claiming may u have peace. What will he have before nah pieces. Hi and Siddon Mr Nebuchadnezzar

johnw47:


the Word(logos) doesn't mean Jesus in greek
it means: something said
however the Word became man - the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God. 
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:14  And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory,
the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Show us where logos meant Jesus in the old testament. And i said in Which greek lexicon does logos mean Jesus?

Logos was used about 300 times in the Bible but only few times it meant Jesus!

Emusan:


Reason I do say you're Olodo oshi!

Jesus is THE LIFE ITSELF, how can someone gave LIFE a life

And Jesus is the SOURCE OF LIFE, which put your lying mouth into coven of your father the Devil that Jesus is not SOURCE OF ANYTHING.

Lying liar JWs.

Let the scriptures reveal who is the son of the Devil and the liar.

" For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. " John 5:26

Jesus is not the source of even life, he was granted.

Only the Father is the source of all things.

Deluded person says I didn't get it when it's obvious that it's your deluded mind that didn't get it.

ALL THINGS came through both the Father and the Son, and ALL THINGS were created FOR TJE FATHER AND THE SON.

This proves that The Father and the Son are of the same being.

Cambridge Dictionary defines a Being as a Person .

You are actually very deluded @ bold.
They are different beings, So you need to tell us what came through the agency of the Father !

AS EVERYTHING were made for the Son, which means Jesus belongs to Himself just as the Father belongs to Himself.

Olodo...


And the Son is spoken of as ALL THINGS were made FOR THE SON.

If ALL THINGS came through both the Father and the Son and ALL THINGS were made for both the Father and the Son, then it means, they are of the same being.


ALL THINGS came through the Son and the Father means they are of the same Being.

If "through him" the Son means Jesus came through the Agency of the Father, then "through him the Father" means the Father also came through the agency of the Son.


Oponu radarada!

Hear it from the deluded JWs!
"That they are same persons (plural)"
"Father and son are same person (singular)" In one breath of a statement.

And the idiot can't still produce where I said "the Father and the Son are the same persons"

lying liar JWs like your father the Devil!

Unfortunately, You lied again.

Let the scriptures expose you once more.

" and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God. " 1Cor 3:23

Since Jesus belong to God, when it says everything were made for the Father , it's because even Jesus belong to him ( which automatically means everything are for him ) . But when it says everything was made for Jesus, this is mainly for things made through Jesus.

Likewise when it says everything was made through the Father , it's because Jesus himself was made by the Father's agency.

Good morning .

livingchrist:
at underlined that part is talking off lending that is to be repaid.
Has Jesus be given anything that is to be repaid before?

Let the scriptures educate you.

" Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. " 1Cor 15:24

The question again: To whom was Romans 11:36 reffering ?

freshboi88:


Use your brain nah. I didn't say it was. U said it was Jehovah. I asked u to explain why the verse says all things were made through Jehovah when going by Ur own teachings, u say Jehovah made every other thing through Jesus.

E shock u as I hook u ABI......


Guys watch him try to avoid the question

You are very incoherent, firstly: To whom was the verse reffering ?

I gave you proof it was reffering to Jehovah , if you want to know what JEHOVAH made through his agency, it is Jesus himself.

Take note that the verse also said all things were made for the Father. Why? Because Jesus whom he used as agent of other things , belong to the Father himself. The same logic applys to through him. Because Jesus himself came through him , automatically everything came through the Father.

Barristter07:
Let the scriptures reveal who is the son of the Devil and the liar.

" For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. " John 5:26

Jesus is not the source of even life, he was granted.

Only the Father is the source of all things.

The day you'll know difference when the scripture is talking about The Son before His incarnation and after His incarnation is the day, you'll be cured of your delusion totally.

Jesus is the Author/Source of life.

Jesus is the LIFE itself, so how can someone who is life be giving life?

So no matter how you hate the truth about Jesus Christ it won't stop what scripture reveals about Him and who He was...Your God the creator of ALL THINGS.

Cambridge Dictionary defines a Being as a Person.

I didn't even take note of this your dubious act that your demonic organization taught you.

Just as the way you intentionally left out some part in the scripture you quoted earlier.

Look at the idiot and see how he used hyphen to hide something from the same Cambridge Dictionary "Cambridge Dictionary: Being , a person ... that exists"

Shameless lying liar JWs.

You are actually very deluded @ bold.
They are different beings, So you need to tell us what came through the agency of the Father !

See the chronic deluded giving his name to someone else.

ALL THINGS came through the Father.
The same ALL THINGS came through the Son

Unfortunately, You lied again.

Let the scriptures expose you once more.

" and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God. " 1Cor 3:23

Since Jesus belong to God, when it says everything were made for the Father , it's because even Jesus belong to him ( which automatically means everything are for him ) . But when it says everything was made for Jesus, this is mainly for things made through Jesus.

Again, your delusion will be cured the day you know when scripture is talking about preincarnation and postincarnation of Jesus Christ.

EMPHASIS here is EVERYTHING

So you know more than God who revealed His own word. because this your dubious explanation would have been put forward straight by God.

But as scripture put your lying mouth into the coven of your father the devil, EVERYTHING was made for Father and the Son.

Likewise when it says everything was made through the Father , it's because Jesus himself was made by the Father's agency.

Then The Father was made through the agency of the son because EVERYTHING was made THROUGH THE SON.

Now, let me give you the same definition of EVERYTHING from your favorite Cambridge dictionary.

everything
pronoun
US  /ˈev·riˌθɪŋ/
all things:

Only a deluded and lying liar will still find something OUTSIDE the ALL THINGS.

Good morning .

Who asked you

Barristter07:


You are very incoherent, firstly: To whom was the verse reffering ?

I gave you proof it was reffering to Jehovah , if you want to know what JEHOVAH made through his agency, it is Jesus himself.

Take note that the verse also said all things were made for the Father. Why? Because Jesus whom he used as agent of other things, belong to the Father himself. The same logic applys to through him. Because Jesus himself came through him , automatically everything came through the Father.

Look at the two highlights and see the dubious and lying liar JWs in display.

You used Jesus as agency of OTHER THINGS when that word was never found in the scripture but going down at second highlight, you dubiously switch to automatically EVERYTHING, which according to Cambridge dictionary, EVERYTHING is still ALL THINGS.

Just like I said, no matter how your hatred for Jesus would be, it'll never change the truth of the scripture nor who Jesus Christ is.

ALL THINGS came through the Father and the Son and the same ALL THINGS are for the Father and the Son.

But you can't bear with the truth that's why you must insert the fraudulent word "OTHER".

Barristter07:


Let the scriptures educate you.

" Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. " 1Cor 15:24

The question again: To whom was Romans 11:36 reffering ?

Handling the kingdom back to the father, means repaying the father? You obviously lack wisdom
How can the father lend to Jesus what belongs to Jesus?

John 16:15
All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

AntiChristian:


Show us where logos meant Jesus in the old testament. And i said in Which greek lexicon does logos mean Jesus?

Logos was used about 300 times in the Bible but only few times it meant Jesus!

dope, you understood nothing
where did i say: "logos meant Jesus in the old testament", confused muslim

johnw47:


the Word(logos) doesn't mean Jesus in greek
it means: something said
however the Word became man - the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God. 
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:14  And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory,
the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

livingchrist:
this is incoherent, moses asked God what to do and God told him.
The Israelites never told moses to save them unlike Stephen that prayed to Jesus to recieve his spirit.

Artful dodger
Exodus 3:7-10, Yahweh who commanded Moses, is the same Yahweh giving his Son authority to resurrect the dead ( John 17:1-3. John 5:21,25), including Stephen.

Greek 1941 , EPIKALEO is NOT prayer to Jesus.
Mathew6:9, Jesus Commands, "'pray to our Father" .
Colossians 1:3.
"We always thank God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you"

Enemies of the gospel, Nobody ever prayed to Jesus.
No dey DECEIVE yourself

Barristter07:


You are very incoherent, firstly: To whom was the verse reffering ?

I gave you proof it was reffering to Jehovah , if you want to know what JEHOVAH made through his agency, it is Jesus himself.

Take note that the verse also said all things were made for the Father. Why? Because Jesus whom he used as agent of other things , belong to the Father himself.The same logic applys to through him. Because Jesus himself came through him , automatically everything came through the Father.

@bolded says it all.

This guy brain minute wella. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. I am showing you your inconsistencies and why you are a joke.

1) Saying all this were made for the Father doesn't prove anything because all things were also made for the Son. Shey u can how inconsistent you are.

2) Going by your teaching, the only thing God made himself was Jesus. And every other thing was made through Jesus.

So God cannot make only Jesus through himself and at the same time make all things through himself.

Let's stick with scripture.

@bolded using the word "automatically" shows you are already inferring based on your biased sentiment and twisting scripture to suit that bias.

freshboi88:


@bolded says it all.

This guy brain minute wella. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. I am showing you your inconsistencies and why you are a joke.

1) Saying all this were made for the Father doesn't prove anything because all things were also made for the Son. Shey u can how inconsistent you are.

All things were made for the Father Because Jesus belong to the Father. Scriptural fact .

So both are not the same.

All right , let's move ..

2) Going by your teaching, the only thing God made himself was Jesus. And every other thing was made through Jesus.

So God cannot make only Jesus through himself and at the same time make all things through himself.

Let's stick with scripture.

@bolded using the word "automatically" shows you are already inferring based on your biased sentiment and twisting scripture to suit that bias.

But you accept all things are made for the Father included Jesus ? By virtue of Jesus is the key here .

Your brain is freezed.

If all things that belong to the Father included Jesus , does that not tell you " through " and " for him " in reference to the Father were because he made Jesus and Jesus belong to him ?

livingchrist:

Handling the kingdom back to the father, means repaying the father? You obviously lack wisdom
How can the father lend to Jesus what belongs to Jesus?

John 16:15
All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

I now finally accept you reason like a kid .

Hand back meaning - Cambridge Dictionary

" To return something to the person who owns it after the person has given it to you "

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/hand-back-something

Now the question again : To whom was Romans 11:36 directed ?

Emusan:



*1 Jesus is the Author/Source of life.

*2 Jesus is the LIFE itself, so how can someone who is life be giving life?

*3. ALL THINGS came through the Father.
The same ALL THINGS came through the Son

*4. Only a deluded and lying liar will still find something OUTSIDE the ALL THINGS.

1. LYING LIENUS
Ephesians 3:14-15 (Compare Ephesians 4:6).
"I bend my knees to the Father to whom every family in heaven and earth owes it's name"

Mr LIENUS, do Jesus owe his name to His Maker?
Who is one God and Father of ALL?
Why is your Author/Source of life praising the Lord of Heaven and earth?

*2. LYING LIENUS .
Ephesians 3:14-15, 4:6, your Bible has exposed you. .

In the words of Jesus, John 5:26, who gives life to the Father?
Who grants life to Jesus his son?

*3. Romans 11:35-36, John 5:26, Eph3:14-15, according to your Bible, did the son come through the Father?

*4. Mr LIENUS, did the Father come through his son, Jesus ?
Do you now accept that God spoke "the Word", into existence, into Life?


How did Adam belong to God?
How did Christ Jesus belong to God?

Emusan:


Look at the two highlights and see the dubious and lying liar JWs in display.

You used Jesus as agency of OTHER THINGS when that word was never found in the scripture but going down at second highlight, you dubiously switch to automatically EVERYTHING, which according to Cambridge dictionary, EVERYTHING is still ALL THINGS.

Just like I said, no matter how your hatred for Jesus would be, it'll never change the truth of the scripture nor who Jesus Christ is.

ALL THINGS came through the Father and the Son and the same ALL THINGS are for the Father and the Son.

But you can't bear with the truth that's why you must insert the fraudulent word "OTHER".

Coming from a shameless Liar who said Jesus belong to himself . @ bold .

on the basis of the Fact that ALL Things are for the Father because Jesus through whom he created everything belong to him. . exist through his very own agency . On that basis everything else that come from Jesus can be rightly said as FOR the Father and through the Father.

The only way out here is to deny Jesus belong to the Father as the shameless Liar you are

Barristter07:


Coming from a shameless Liar who said Jesus belong to himself . @ bold .

on the basis of the Fact that ALL Things are for the Father because Jesus through whom he created everything belong to him. . exist through his very own agency . On that basis everything else that come from Jesus can be rightly said as FOR the Father and through the Father.

The only way out here is to deny Jesus belong to the Father as the shameless Liar you are

1 Corinthians 3:23 , the nail on his spurious claims.
Emusan Mr LIENUS

Emusan:


The day you'll know difference when the scripture is talking about The Son before His incarnation and after His incarnation is the day, you'll be cured of your delusion totally.

Jesus is the Author/Source of life.

Jesus is the LIFE itself, so how can someone who is life be giving life?

So no matter how you hate the truth about Jesus Christ it won't stop what scripture reveals about Him and who He was...Your God the creator of ALL THINGS.

O ma se o


" For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. " John 5:26

I didn't even take note of this your dubious act that your demonic organization taught you.

Just as the way you intentionally left out some part in the scripture you quoted earlier.

Look at the idiot and see how he used hyphen to hide something from the same Cambridge Dictionary "Cambridge Dictionary: Being , a person ... that exists"

Shameless lying liar JWs.



See the chronic deluded giving his name to someone else.

You stupidly said Father and son are the same person (being) . They are not same being, so you must tell us what came through the Father and not the son ?

ALL THINGS came through the Father.
The same ALL THINGS came through the Son

Again, your delusion will be cured the day you know when scripture is talking about preincarnation and postincarnation of Jesus Christ.

EMPHASIS here is EVERYTHING

So you know more than God who revealed His own word. because this your dubious explanation would have been put forward straight by God.

But as scripture put your lying mouth into the coven of your father the devil, EVERYTHING was made for Father and the Son.

Then The Father was made through the agency of the son because EVERYTHING was made THROUGH THE SON.

Now, let me give you the same definition of EVERYTHING from your favorite Cambridge dictionary.

everything
pronoun
US  /ˈev·riˌθɪŋ/
all things:

Only a deluded and lying liar will still find something OUTSIDE the ALL THINGS.

Who asked you

" ALL THINGS " as defined for the Father is not the same with Jesus .

When it says FOR HIM in reference to Jesus , this doesn't include the Father , neither himself.

But when it says FOR him in reference to the Father , This Included Jesus himself ( Col 3:23 after Jesus had went back to heaven, don't give me the crap of human in heaven, cos the last point that finish you on the other thread will resurface and you won't find it funny ) , on this basis, everything is for the Father.

The same applies to " THROUGH him" , what came through the agency of the Father is Jesus himself . On this basis everything came through the Father as well.

Janosky:


1 Corinthians 3:23 , the nail on his spurious claims.
Emusan Mr LIENUS

The idiot even said Jesus is lying that he was granted life . He can't be granted life . Arguing with Jesus himself. The guy is very much deluded bro . Pray for him ...

Emusan:




To call upon is to get the attention of that person. Apostle Paul appeals the Roman Emperors for their attention.

*1
Stephen APPEALED to JESUS Christ to receive his spirit, which is what ONLY GOD can do.


So what was Stephen doing?



The Father!



And the same Barnes said:

*2
They stoned Stephen, invoking, or calling upon, and saying, Lord Jesus," etc. That is, he was engaged "in prayer" to the Lord Jesus. The word is used to express "prayer" in the following, among other places: 2 Corinthians 1:23, "I call God to witness"; 1 Peter 1:17, "And if ye call on the Father," etc.; Acts 2:21, "whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord," etc.; Acts 9:14; Acts 22:16; Romans 10:12-14. This was, therefore, an act of worship; a solemn invocation of the Lord Jesus, in the most interesting circumstances in which a man can be placed - in his dying moments." ----ALBERT BARNES NOTE

Mr Janosense hasn't proved that the word wasn't used as prayer in 2 Corinthians 1:23, 1 Peter 1:17, Acts 2:21 e.t.c

*@1
John 17:1-3. John 5:21,25 Jesus confession,he received authority to give life to the dead.

"Your 'God' can do NOTHING by himself ",Mr LIENUS .
Stephen was NOT praying at Acts 7:59, Mr LIENUS.
Stephen never spoke the divine name, Yahweh/Jehovah.

*@2 2 Corinthians 1:23, Paul says "God is his witness", not a prayer oo !.

1 Peter 1:17, Acts 2:21, 9:14, 22:16, Romans 10:12 (quote of Joel 2:32 "who calls on the name of Jehovah'" address to God the Father of Jesus.
NOT prayer to Jesus ooo !

Mr LIENUS, RECEIVE SENSE .


The Bible hub Screenshot Greek 1941, No5....
Mr LIENUS roger that

5. Hebraistically (like יְהוָה בְּשֵׁם קָרָא to call upon by pronouncing the name of Jehovah, Genesis 4:26; Genesis 12:8; 2 Kings 5:11, etc.; cf. Gesenius, Thesaurus, p. 1231{b} (or his Hebrew Lexicon, under the word קָרָא); an expression finding its explanation in the fact that prayers addressed to God ordinarily began with an invocation of the divine name: Psalm 3:2; Psalm 6:2; Psalm 7:2, etc.) ἐπικαλοῦμαι τό ὄνομα τοῦ κυρίου, I call upon (on my behalf) the name of the Lord, i. e. to invoke, adore, worship, the Lord,: Acts 2:21 (from Joel 2:32 ()); ; Romans 10:13; 1 Corinthians 1:2; τόν κύριον, Romans 10:12;

johnw47:


i called upon God to cure my illness, i prayed to God to cure my illness

there is no diiffrence there oh most unintelligent mumu fraud janosky


and once again post the quotes of all my twisting and lying that you falsely accuse
oh son of your father and god the devil:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Greek EPIKALEO
Stephen never spoke the divine name @ Acts7:59.
Continue DECEIVING yourself.

livingchrist:
owning a house, having your name written on the document instructing people on how to build it, does not translate to building your house by yourself.

Note the whole creation was created for Jesus also and for a fact Jesus is also the owner of all things.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:.

For you to do something yourself mean you actually participated in the action.

Job 9:8
Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

Job record that God alone created the heavens, no other being was with him doing the work.
Both Isaiah and Job corroborated with each other.
God alone actually created things by himself with no other being with him.

You go say you get SENSE
Job 38:7, who are the sons of God who rejoiced at the marvelous works of creation?
So for your mind, the sons of God were never there seeing the marvelous works of creation.
Bros, Hebrews1:2, Job 38:7, Proverbs 8:22-30

Emusan:


I've always told you people to stop using this line of argument, it's pure ignorance and fact lies.


No LANDLORD who is not an Engineer will ever CLAIM "I built MY HOUSE ALL BY MYSELF"

It's a shared ignorance and intellectual dishonesty to see a clear statement like that of "ALONE and ALL BY MYSELF"

NLV: The Lord, Who makes you, bought you and saves you, and the One Who put you together before you were born, says, “I am the Lord, Who made all things. I alone spread out the heavens, and I alone spread out the earth.

If God says "I ALONE...."

And went further to explain what He did by "SPREAD OUT THE HEAVENS"

Even Prov 8 supported this because the speaker clearly stated that it is God who was actually doing the work of creation and not THE SPEAKER.

To claim other being helped God in creation is to give God's glory to a mere creatures.

Hebrews1:2.. God created the Universe THROUGH His Son Jesus Christ, the first born of every creature .

Job38:7, all the Sons of God rejoiced at the marvelous works of their Creator.
.

Mr LIENUS, 3 pagan spirits devotees , worshippers DECEIVING themselves,

ublight:


u are a blind man
my emphasis was d word SIDE

What's the location of God's right hand?

Barristter07:


I now finally accept you reason like a kid .

Hand back meaning - Cambridge Dictionary

" To return something to the person who owns it after the person has given it to you "

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/hand-back-something

Now the question again : To whom was Romans 11:36 directed ?

Stop disgracing yourself, even a kid would do better than this.
First of all, I presume you are referring to the kingdom as mentioned in 1 cor 15 vv 24.

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

It is now where written here that Jesus is repaying God anything but rather giving back the kingdom that Adam lost through sin.

Understanding the scriptures require the help of the holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

In verse, 25 he must reign until all his enemies are defeated.
Which kingdom is paul talking about?
Paul is talking about the kingdom where God's enemies rules, where the rebellious authorities and powers have dominion, christ would put all of them down and then delivered the kingdom back to God.

Paul is talking about the kingdom of this world, that would be delivered up to God.

This has nothing to do with repayment

Janosky:

You go say you get SENSE
Job 38:7, who are the sons of God who rejoiced at the marvelous works of creation?
So for your mind, the sons of God were never there seeing the marvelous works of creation.
Bros, Hebrews1:2, Job 38:7, Proverbs 8:22-30

Do you know how stupid you sound?
Did those Angels join God in creation? God was alone creating all things why all the angels were in heaven rejoicing to behold God's work

Once i noticed that an individual just want to argue and not learn my next line of action is to make him/her vomit the stupidity in his heart then i'll walk away. I'm sure his Trinity family saw that but all ignored and pretended they never saw it.
How on earth will someone who claims to be OK upstairs pick up an argument on (right hand or right hand side) tori Olorun?
Woo me i'm done chatting with arrogant novices who often end up with insults, abuses and curses when the arguments they start gets out of their hands!

Janosky:

What's the location of God's right hand?

Haven't you noticed how the OP went into hiding after seeing fully competent and completely equipped Bible scholar's undeniable explanations?
I don't have any issue with trinitarians after all Trinity have been around for almost two thousand years and a global family of peace loving people as promised by God {Isaiah 2:2-4} never surfaced not until JWs began taking shape as a global group, let them go out there and convince honest hearted and sincere individuals that Jesus (the Prince of Peace) is not the one behind the works of Jehovah's Witnesses globally! Matthew 28:20; Act 1:8
So Jesus' statement justified the fact "By their fruit you will know them" Matthew 7:15-20

Barristter07:


The idiot even said Jesus is lying that he was granted life . He can't be granted life . Arguing with Jesus himself. The guy is very much deluded bro . Pray for him ...

Barristter07:


O ma se o


" For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. " John 5:26

the father has granted for the son to have life in himself, simply means the son gave himself life by the authority of his father.

You stupidly said Father and son are the same person (being) . They are not same being, so you must tell us what came through the Father and not the son ?



" ALL THINGS " as defined for the Father is not the same with Jesus.

When it says FOR HIM in reference to Jesus , this doesn't include the Father , neither himself.

But when it says FOR him in reference to the Father , This Included Jesus himself ( Col 3:23 after Jesus had went back to heaven, don't give me the crap of human in heaven, cos the last point that finish you on the other thread will resurface and you won't find it funny ) , on this basis, everything is for the Father.

give your phone to someone close to your to check if what you wrote made any sense. Jesus was never created, he existed before all things.

How can Jesus be created if, there was nothing created without him?
Secondly, colossians 15 refers to all things that was created, which does not include Jesus and the father and the holy ghost.
All things were created for Jesus, so much for shifting goal post. Please quote that thread and see how you where totally diagraced.

The same applies to " THROUGH him" , what came through the agency of the Father is Jesus himself On this basis everything came through the Father as well.

hahaha now you are blabbing, there was nothing the father created without Jesus at @bolded.

Again you are insinuating the father used himself to create everything,

Barristter07:


All things were made for the Father Because Jesus belong to the Father. Scriptural fact .

So both are not the same.

All right , let's move ..



But you accept all things are made for the Father included Jesus ? By virtue of Jesus is the key here .

Your brain is freezed.

If all things that belong to the Father included Jesus , [b]does that not tell you " through " and " for him " in reference to the Father were because he made Jesus and Jesus belong to him ?

Point 1. You are a very dull person. If all things are for the Father because Jesus belong to the Father then nothing should be for the son. Olodo. I know ur brain didn't think of this.

Point 2. I am only taking u on ur teaching and showing u ur inconsistencies and deception which is clear to the readers right now. So don't think I believe unscriptural lies. It is evident u r grasping at straws right now.

Point 3. What the Bible says is that everything was made through the Father and everything was made through the son. In fact some verses will say Nothing was made without the son. There's is no scriptural reference to what ur concluding or asking. Stick with biblical scriptures man!!!

livingchrist:

Stop disgracing yourself, even a kid would do better than this.
First of all, I presume you are referring to the kingdom as mentioned in 1 cor 15 vv 24.

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

It is now where written here that Jesus is repaying God anything but rather giving back the kingdom that Adam lost through sin.

Understanding the scriptures require the help of the holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

In verse, 25 he must reign until all his enemies are defeated.
Which kingdom is paul talking about?
Paul is talking about the kingdom where God's enemies rules, where the rebellious authorities and powers have dominion, christ would put all of them down and then delivered the kingdom back to God.

Paul is talking about the kingdom of this world, that would be delivered up to God.

This has nothing to do with repayment

The question is: WAS HE GIVEN THE KINGDOM IN THE FIRST PLACE?

DID HE RETURN It ?


Romans 11:35 said " Who has ever given him anything, so that he had to pay it back?"