quote author=Tcwork post=96926546]
Neither you or I know.
We don't know him, we can't tell if he had been previously baptized. We don't know his name.
So you may not be right trying to make Jesus look like a liar.
Jesus Christ can never lie. If he says a man must be born of water and then the spirit before administration to the kingdom of God, he meant it.
Also you need to know that paradise is not same as the kingdom of God. Even though this is another topic

Freshboi87:


you earlier said baptism must be done where there is a body of water. You said that was the new testament standard.

I showed you that you are wrong by showing you the baptism of cornelius and his household which was not done in any body of water but in his house.

I am not the one who claims one method is a standard and all others are wrong scripturally. So I do not have anything to prove.

However, if I wanted to assume like u. I would say the Baptism of cornelius was certainly not done by immersion because Cornelius house was certainly not built on top on a river. But i know that if i do that, i am inferring. because the bible doesnt say how it was done.

Just the same way the bible is silent on what mode was used for those done in a body of water.

If you have a verse where the bible is specific on what mode was used please quote it here
Have you been to cornelus house? You keep saying thing's without prove.
Who says immersion can only be doNE in a river.
Trying to argue this way is so unfair. Can you tell if Cornelius had a pool in his home. You said you don't like sentiment's but your argument here isn't based on scripture but 100% sentiments

madegreatbygrace:



Lol..... You’re one hell of a funny man. Jesus never said a man must be born of “water” before being administered into His kingdom. For your information, I already did a post on the verse above which you misapplied. I explained everything there. Just go through my profile and search it out. I hope it blesses you.

Tcwork:
A body of water does not only infer a river.
I know many churches that have a pool of water specifically for the purpose of immersion

Freshboi87:


Is this scriptural?

So can u show me scripturally where Cornelius was baptized in a pool?

We are talking scripture not sentiment

Tcwork:
As Christians, we follow the example of Jesus Christ.
Christ was baptized to fulfill all righteousness. Now I am not getting your point.
Are you saying that we no longer need baptism
Or that it is no longer done in water
Or that immersion is not the right way to baptise?

Tcwork:

That is my piont, me and you know nothing abour the water in which Cornelius was baptized so it would be false for you to state that he was not immersed

Freshboi87:


First thing first, i used river to refer to a body of water. I have not been to cornelius house before but i know there would be no body of water in his house.

On the case of him having a pool, that is assumption. But one thing is clear:

1. Baptism doesn't have to be in a body of water. It can take place anywhere.

U keep asking to provide a verse that points out what mode was used in Cornelius home. Like i said the bible is silent on that. Same with every other instance of water baptism in the bible.

If u have a verse that point out immersion as the mode of baptism that was done. Please point it out. Because u r d one who said immersion is the scriptural standard. Provide proof!!

freshboi88:


It will also be false to state that he was immersed

Tcwork:

Do you have any verse that showas baptism was not done by immersion??

Tcwork:

So your point is that, you do not know the right mode of baptism right? Because I am open to learn from you

freshboi88:


I am asking u to prove that immersion was the method used in th baptism of Jesus. Simple

Tcwork:

I have already done that... I told you earlier baptism means to dip

freshboi88:


Are u now a dictionary follower.

Our standard is the scripture by brother. Scripturally man

Tcwork:

Is it not English they used in writing the scripture. You believe the scripture has another meaning for the word?

Tcwork:

Is it not English they used in writing the scripture. You believe the scripture has another meaning for the word?

Tcwork:

Actually it's greek The word "Baptism" is a transliteration of the Greek word BAPTIZO which means to immerse

Tcwork:
I have been upfront with you in telling you how baptism should be performed but you are hesitating in explaining your own style of baptism. Why

Freshboi87:


On what authority are you basing how baptism should be performed?.......Yours or Scriptural.

Just show me one scripture on which u based ur standard on how baptism should be done and this discussion us over. And pls dnt tell me dipping.

Cos in the case of the Holy Spirit, Baptizo is used and it doesnt imply dipping of any kind, shape or form

Freshboi87:


So Baptism of the Holy Spirit means to Immerse in the Holy Spirit!!!!...Abi

Freshboi87:


Yes! I do

Scripture uses the word in other instances that doesnt infer dipping like:

Baptism of the Holy Spirit

And pls dnt tell me its spiritual
If you believe Christ meant another thing I would be happy to know. Because all my life I had taken his baptism to imply the very meaning in the language of the scripture..Greek


because if you say so, then you have to explain the spiritual dipping excersice

Tcwork:

Do you have any verse that showas baptism was not done by immersion??

Tcwork:

No it doesn't and we know this because the scripture was clear on how it is done and what it means.
In the case of water why give to it another meaning when the scripture did not say so. Can't we just be content with its meaning.
We can't be smarter than the bible. Or write our own bible

Tcwork:

You totally are not getting this baptism means to immersin so if you feel it means something else the burden is on you to explain
In case of the Holy Ghost I agree with you on that but our discussion is not on the Holy Ghost.
So if you think the Savior meant something other than to immerse as the word implies, then it's you that should be explaining what he meant.
For me I am ok taking the Savior by his words