Edeyoung:


Go to gregyboy profile and read the thread on egusi and pounded is edo food

babtoundey:


Of all reasonable things to read about it is how Gregboy/Edeyoung concocted how pounded yam and egusi is Edo/Benin I will be stressing myself to read.

How do I expect the same Gregboy/ Edkyoung that doesn't know Ogun, Sango, oya, ayalala, obatala, esu oba and even the name Benin are alien to his tribeto know whether eguis and pounded yam is indigenous to his people or not?

gregyboy:





You dont read i gave valued research in that thread

babtoundey:


I don't read junks.
"Valued research" from Gregboy hahaha! You always think highly of yourself. I will advise you look at what you've made of yourself and the name you've carved yourself on this forum and see if any right thinking person will be swayed into believing that you, Edoyoung, are capable of posting anything close to "valued research".

Edeyoung:



Were they capture nope, were they sold by their people nope, were they chained nope, were they made to work in farms nope

You need slap too much hausa food on your brain northern man

Itohanprefa:
The standard word for you henceforth is Dunce

TAO11:

If you have have anything that looks like evidence

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Etrusen:




I think they always become more upset when they see we the benins accepting our brothers who claim on their own that they are from Benin

no body force anybody to accept Benin ancestry but people willingly accept it because they know their history meanwhile some personally non_related concern individual keep on crying for the decision a group made in regard to themselves.

if you ask them to provided any account that historically link oguta to another origin, it become a problem.

I don't know the argument of the non_ oguta people here

Balogunodua:

Nope they are been used as sex slaves....sold by their brothers in 100 to italians and all over Europe up till date that is the worst form of slavery there is.....atleast those Yorubas sold into slavery were war captives and not some Edo peeps who chose slavery as a way of life in this modern time cuase it's in their DNA...

adadike:
being the oldest tribe in Nigeria, I believe the great igbos once rule over Benin empire and to an extent yorubaland. The story of moremi even confirmed it. I also heard that in those days even till date, that before a new king will ascend the throne of Benin , emmisaries must be sent to Nri. I heard it's done in secret to avoid pride and insults

samuk:


If there are evidence to support the above, the average Benin person will celebrate it as a shared history and heritage. This will by no means make the average Benin person feel insecure, inferior and small before an Igbo person, it will not diminish our sense of pride in the historical achievements of our forebears.

I wish the average Yoruba or Igbo person can feel this way whenever their tribes are historically linked to other tribes.

The only thing the Benin people don't take is unsubstantiated claims.

If TAO11 can provide us with any eyewitness historical accounts dating earlier than 1800s backing Benin/Ife relationship, I am sure most of us and me in particular will see reason to shift grounds. But for now there is no such evidence available and the Benin/Ife relationship remains fabrications and work of fiction.

gregyboy:


Okphia kudos

[s]You never missed an opportunity to misinform the gullible and less informed. You prey on people's ignorance alot, I don't know if this is deliberate or you are just less informed yourself or you don't think about your logical conclusions before you present them.

You start by presenting a faulty narrative to prepare your gullible students and then support your hypothesis with unrelated citations to make your argument look and sound authentic.

Your submission and citations doesn't explain how some genetically Edo people ended up in America.

Reasons why your logic is faulty:

According to your own citations/reference, the raids into Edo North by either the Nupe or Ibadan happened after the middle of the 19th century.

1. Your reference didn't say that Edo villagers were captured and sold into slavery, this is your assumption.

2. By the later part of 19th century when these raids in Edo North were said to have occurred, transatlantic slave trade was already banned in America. See below.

The Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves of 1807 (2 Stat. 426, enacted March 2, 1807) is a United States federal law that provided that no new slaves were permitted to be imported into the United States. It took effect on January 1, 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States Constitution.
Long title: AN ACT to prohibit the importation of slaves, into any port or place within t...
Effective: January 1, 1808
Enacted by: the 9th United States Congress

3. Though there were still illegal trades in slavery up till 1870, most of the cargoes went to the sugarcane and cotton plantations of the Caribbean.

4. People of Edo origin/heritage could have become victims of the transatlantic slave trade through other means but not through your wishful thinking.

5. There are people and tribes from Lagos, eastern Yoruba, south east, south south and middle belt Nigeria that traces their origins to Benin. Edo indigines could have become victims of the transatlantic slave trade through anyone of these people/tribes not through Nupe and Ibadan raids in Edo North in the middle to late 19th century when Benin was in decline.[/s]

6. I have already disproved that Ogane couldn't be Ife, please stop deceiving people with it.

7. Archeological study of Ife dates the earliest settlements to the first decade of 16th century.

Ogane/Benin history was recorded in the 15th century.

8. Ogane was said to be in the opposite direction from Benin, not the direction of Ife.

9. Ogane was said to be a 20 moons or months travel from Benin

and a distance of about 900 miles, Ife is less than 200 miles from Benin •••

10. Ogane does not sounds like Ife, Oduduwa or Ooni.

11. Please don't tell me that there were artworks found in Ife older than 16th century, even if this is true, which I doubt,

it doesn't prove they were made in Ife.

12. Hope you will not come back with insults as usual after you have been lectured.

Hellraiser77:
[s][/s]
Tao11 the pathological liar ....you have ressurected me by mentioning Igbos again in your unending stream of lies which I will thrash one after the other


( 1) Igbos remain the oldest Distinct group of people in modern day Nigeria with a history dating back to 6,000 years ago
The remains in Iwo eleru(which are not really human remains as you claimed) dates back to 43,000 years while yorubas only started settling the area around 12th century, how could this be the ancestors of Yoruba people?

Igbo people that spoke a language very closely related to modern igbo resided in Ile ife before yoruba started coming into the area from modern day Kogi state.

(2) Obatala who is the first Oba in Ile ife(Igbo omoku) is an Igbo priest, so clearly Igbos ruled yoruba in Igbo omoku (ask me for evidence)

Agreed the moremi episode has Little to do with modern day south Eastern Igbos but with a distinct Igbo group that inhabited ife(Igbo omoku) prior to yoruba arrival(s).

The moremi stories are absent in the history of South eastern Igbos today simply because it has nothing to do with them, the Igbos mentioned in the moremi story are now in ondo state as the ugbo people and they preserve alot of their Igbo traits till this day.


To anybody doubting the Igbo roots of ugbo people note that the most successful ruler of ugbo/igbo people while they where in ile Ife(Igbo omoku) is named "Ekenwa" ....how Igbo does that get?

cc Adadike

samuk:


My brother, the Benin have too much in history to celebrate and be proud of. We are very secured and can never feel inferior to anyone.

All we are after is the truth and nothing but the historical truth.

samuk:


No amount of lies, insults unrelated references and citations can change the fact that Yoruba history only started in the 1800s after the amalgamation of freed slaves in Europe and America with native people of south western Nigeria who were largely under Benin lordship.

The only people that learn from you or take your submissions serious are dullard/dunce like yourself.

If you have any evidence that the people of Western Nigeria were known as Yoruba people before the 1800s when your lord and master, the white man created you from the remnant of their unwanted slaves, present it.

I am quite familiar with the fact that when people come of age, they whitewash some embarrassing aspects of their history, Yoruba with the pretentious acclaim of being sophisticated is not there yet to be able to change and whitewash their past history.

Below are two videos on the history of the Yoruba people.

Below the two videos are evidences of Benin lordship over south western Nigeria before and after the name Yoruba was given to you people.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU&t=1662s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2hU-ibkPfg

Below is how the Alaafin of Oyo described the Oba of Benin in time past.

The Alaafin in 1911 seems to have provided his own idea of the power the kings of Benin had once held, from an African (Oyo Yoruba) perspective.

Anyway, the statement from Clapperton:

1. "In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."

- Hugh Clapperton, Journal of a Second Expedition Into the Interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo


2. "The kingdom of Benin was so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told a British governor that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its king." - Asibong Akpan Okon, The evolution of self-government of Nigeria (1955), p. 36

Asibong Okon was referring to this:

"This Kingdom of Benin was at one time so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told me that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its King." - United Empire, Volume 2 (1911), p. 620

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=AE45AQAAMAAJ&dq=predecessors+pay+tribute

Archaeologically Ife is younger than Benin. This proves Benin/Ife relationship as fabrication.

Prof. Biobaku has suggested that the eastern fringe of what is now Yorubaland was in pre-Yoruba days thinly inhabited by the ancestors of the modern Benin people, a people which he called the Efa. And if recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built not before the first decade of the 16th century thereby making it to be younger than Benin

Benin lordship over Yoruba Land.

No part of Ekiti was spared the agony of imperialist invasions…The rampaging Benin armies sacked Ogotun, Aramoko, some subordinate communities of Ijero, Ado communities such as Are, Afao, Ugbo (now Ilu) Omoba and Agbado and settled a large percentage of the haul of captives therefrom in Ikere, their garrison post.


Benin armies constantly waged wars of external aggressions on Ekitiland and other communities in different parts of old Ondo State in their quest for territorial expansion and control, among others. A good reference point is the Ado-Ikere relations that resulted to Benin pillage and attacks on Ado-Ekiti on several occasion. Olomola (1984:2-3) noted that Benin armies invaded parts of Ado kingdom a few times between 1500 and 1815.. Olomola further asserted that the Ewi actually devise a strategy of evacuating his capital city so that the Benin armies would not disturb the Ewi and the rest of his people in their new site.
Odo which was, before the Benin invasion a town of considerable size, broke up as the people sought the safety of rocky and forest recesses and Uyin and Igede lost part of their population in their fight against Benin in 1815.

The development of the Ado Kingdom was seriously affected by external invasion. These resulted in series of demographic upheavals with settlements constantly moved from one site to another. The most serious of these external invasions were by the "Edo" of Benin. They attacked and destroyed many settlements…in the Ado Kingdom… The Edos were invited by Ogoga, the third time the Edos were so invited to settle the quarrel between Ado and Ikere. The line of action they resolved to adopt was to bring all the villages under the ewi to Ikere, settle them there and in this way Ikere would be equal or even bigger than Ado. Ado would then be afraid of Ikere. The Benin soldiers came and sent words to the Ewi Aroloye… He refused to surrender. He did not in any way show that he was not ready for fight. Every town or village under him except Ijan were prepared to fight…


Every town or village under him (Ewi) except Ijan were prepared to fight… The Benin soldiers stormed Igbara-Odo and Ilawe and took them. At this time, Ado town had been vacated. Aroloye took the people to a place called Oke Oko Axis between Ifaki and Iworoko. Most of the gods Ado worshipped on that side: Olua at Eyio, Obanifon at Esure and Are, Ogbese and Orisala at Iworoko. The soldiers pitched their camps near Uyin (Iyin)…Ogbesi Okun, the then Oluyin …was conquered and killed. They proceeded to Igede, Awo and Esure and took them. The inhabitants of Igede then uder Okiribiti were driven in a north-easternly direction to a place called Oke Asha…Edo troops then marched to Iworoko…The soldiers entered Are…The same fate befell Afao. They were all taken to Ikere. The soldiers moved to Igbemo …entered Igbo-Omoba (now Ilu-Omoba)…The soldiers left Aisegba for Agbado and without delay took it and evacuated the people. Agbado was the last place under the Ewi. With the conquest, of Agbado, the soldiers seemed to have finished their job…’

Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836) who reigned at Ado but were attacked successively by Benin hordes…‘During the reign of Ewi Aroloye, Ado-Ewi’s kingdom witnessed massive dislocation across the terrain as town dwellers and villagers ran for safety in different directions. Many of the captives from Iworoko, Are, Afao, Ugboomoba (now Ilumoba) and Agbado were taken to Ukere by Benin invaders’."

No need to go into Lagos/Benin history, it's too well known.

TAO11:


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macof:


I don't understand if you are just born foolish or you grew into it?

Ugbo (Ilaje) is Igbo? Is this how desperate for igbo history you are? It is nobody's fault that you lot have just about no records of events of your past. Always seeking to attach yourself to other people who have history


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdtMSrqQpNI

This sounds like igbo to you?

Ideadoctor:
Tao please don't waste your time on these dreamers,they know right that Yoruba are not there mate, they know that debating with Yoruba makes them relevant,they want to play with our intelligence, you see,you have presented a lot of valid evidence that is is very convincing and they are fact,but you see those children, they won't accept, they are driven by ego, hatred and sentiments, no amount of evidence will make them accept Yoruba supremacy,the good news is that they may deny Yoruba supremacy on nairaland but in the real word they can't stand us,ijaws and urhobos are there mates. On real ground niger delta will overun yoruba people without sweating

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Obalatule:
Face your 20 Bini population, stop making a fool of yourself

gregyboy:



Lol, we stood all of you when we pulled out of western region. Which one are you dreaming off



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Ideadoctor:


ode! pulling off a region is an achievement abi! idiot

TAO11:
Summary For Quick Referencing

(1) “Yoruba” Founded In 1808 ??

DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/25#96567759

(2) No Relationship Between Ife and Benin Prior To The 1800s ??

DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/9#96323798
OR
https://www.nairaland.com/6087424/benin-ife-myth-shouldnt-circulated#93803726

(3) Binis Militarily Invaded, Conquered, and Settled in Lagos; Then Installed an Edo Prince as The First King[b]??[/b]

DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6286709/ijebu-vs-jebusite/1#96593783

(4) Binis Own The Word “Oba” ??

DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96513655

(5) Benin Obtained TRIBUTES from OYo ??

DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6291440/benin-remain-center-west-africa/1#96792413


(6) Benin Ruled Over Certain Eastern-Yoruba Kingdoms ??

DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96519494

Cheers!

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gregyboy:


Ooh, so it is not, so what do you mean by on real ground we are no match for you guys

Is it with reference to your littered crocoach population hmm or what exactly

samuk:


Fraud Alert

If TAO11 can provide us with any eyewitness historical accounts dating earlier than 1800s backing Benin/Ife relationship, I am sure most of us and me in particular will see reason to shift grounds. But for now there is no such evidence available and the Benin/Ife relationship remains fabrications and work of fiction.

You can't tell us Oranmiyan came to Benin in 1185AD and there is no single record in the Benin European historical archives for almost 500 years.

The Portuguese arrived Benin in the 1400s, they started documenting Benin history in 1471.

All tribes Benin encountered were mentioned in Benin history pre-1897, but Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan who are supposed to be the most important link between Benin and Yoruba are missing from the history books.

It was not until 1897 after the British have sacked and destroyed Benin with the Oba deposed to Calabar that Benin/Ife relationship appeared in Rupert's report of 1897.

Benin/Ife relationship was fabricated after the end of Benin empire/Kingdom.

Rupert was not the first British or European to visit Benin, countless Europeans, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese etc visited Benin and Obas of Benin repeatedly since the 1400s yet none were told about Benin/Ife relationship, why? Did the Benin forget this most important part of their history or it didn't happened.

Ideadoctor:
just go away,you are too dull,you can never get my points, your brains can't comprehend it

Ideadoctor:
ode! pulling off a region is an achievement abi! idiot

samuk:


The reason many of these people are upset with Igbo tribes that claim Benin ancestry is because it makes them feel inferior to those Igbo subgroups because of their own lack of history.

They want to create an Igbo race in which all subgroups will jettison and deny their past historical relationships with great Benin or Igala. In their foolishness, they fail to realise that this is not how to build a great nation.

America, despite her size and greatness, acknowledges, accommodates and promotes their past historical links. But I can see why black American descendants of slaves who have been stripped of their, identity, culture and history will feel inadequate or inferior in the mist of their white counterparts with glorious European historical links.

This lack of history of some of these Igbo is what TAO11 capitalises on to bamboozle them with her/his disjointed, unrelated and skewed citations and references even though most Yoruba themselves are not better than some Igbo subgroups.

This lack of history by some Igbos is why they are easily misled by someone like TAO11. Most of these people have nothing to counter her with unlike Benin were history were actually made. It's easier for Benin to see through her lies.

What the Yoruba have managed to do more successfully than the Igbos is, Yoruba descendants of freed slaves are able to hide under any of the native tribes to masquerades as a free born. This is why you will hardly find an Ife man here debating.

The Yoruba tactics is to link themselves to Ife, then link Ife to Benin and all of a sudden, a descendant of freed slaves becomes someone with blue royal blood, this is how they intimidate an Igbo with better sense of history into submission.

TAO11:
Just as Nigeria gained independence from Britain, Benin also gained independence from Yoruba afterwards.

Let Binis celebrate their independence in peace oo.

TAO11:
Just as Nigeria gained independence from Britain, Benin also gained independence from Yoruba afterwards.

Let Binis celebrate their independence in peace oo.

gregyboy:


Pained are you aware if the full niger delta come togther they will crush and extinct yorubas