What is Mary cheated and lied? By the way, if Jesus were to be born today, DNA would have revealed who his father is...

skywalker240:

Eve rape? pls can you throw more emphasis?

Please no more trouble shooting on this. Thanks. I don't want to be nicknamed "DOG OF SATAN" by Mr.President.

blazepascal:
I'm wowed already

Let us sing.

"YHWY YOUR NAME IS YAHWEH

YOU'RE A MIRACLE WORKING GOD

YOUR NAME IS YAHWEH"

"JESUS YOUR NAME IS JESUS

YOU ARE A MIRACLE WORKING GOD

YOUR NAME IS JESUS".

"ISAH YOUR NAME IS ALLAH

YOU ARE A MIRACLE WORKING GOD

IN MOHAMMED MOSES".

blazepascal:
don't be ridiculous

You are a "DOG OF SATAN".

blazepascal:
. lol

Got it.

Wisejohnson47:
WOW my understanding just switched thinking about the cloud hanging without pillars

SO THE TRINITY IS SIMPLY GOD'S OMNIPOTENT TRANSFORMATION.

Wisejohnson47:
WOW my understanding just switched thinking about the cloud hanging without pillars

SO THE TRINITY IS SIMPLY GOD'S OMNIPOTENT TRANSFORMATION.

AND THE ATHEIST IS DELIBERATELY SWITCHED OFF THIS WISDOM.

blazepascal:
God is the greatest!!!

HE IS GOD IN HEAVEN

LORDGOD IN TRANSIT

AND LORD ON EARTH

shadeyinka:

Were you not supporting your friend?

This was my response:

LordReed:


And what's wrong with that? Does it tire the god? Or does his magic powers fade with repeated use?

Where in it did I claim that if your god doesn't regrow an amputee's limb it means he doesn't exist? Also where did hopefulLandlord make such a claim?

LordReed:


This was my response:



Where in it did I claim that if your god doesn't regrow an amputee's limb it means he doesn't exist? Also where did hopefulLandlord make such a claim?

LordReed:

And what's wrong with that ? Does it tire the god? Or does his magic powers fade with repeated use?

What is that "what" in your statement?
What is the "it" in your statement?

Your words rephrased!
What is wrong in God validating Himself by growing the limbs of an amputee?
Does miracles tire God?
Does His powers fade with repeated use that He cannot regrow the limbs of an amputee?

In context, I didn't misrepresent you!

shadeyinka:



Your words rephrased!
What is wrong in God validating Himself by growing the limbs of an amputee?
Does miracles tire God?
Does His powers fade with repeated use that He cannot regrow the limbs of an amputee?

In context, I didn't misrepresent you!

You most certainly did. No where here did I make the argument that his inability to restore amputated limbs indicates he doesn't exist. Even with your rephrasing (which you assumed will support your dis-ingeniousness but you completely failed) no such reading can be made into it. You are making excuses for lack of performance and I am point it out to you.

Neither did hopefulLandlord so stop being a sore dis-ingenious interlocutor.

LordReed:


You most certainly did. No where here did I make the argument that his inability to restore amputated limbs indicates he doesn't exist. Even with your rephrasing (which you assumed will support your dis-ingeniousness but you completely failed) no such reading can be made into it. You are making excuses for lack of performance and I am point it out to you.

Neither did hopefulLandlord so stop being a sore dis-ingenious interlocutor.

Then,
What is that "what" in your statement?
What is the "it" in your statement?

shadeyinka:

Then,
What is that "what" in your statement?
What is the "it" in your statement?

Simply put and properly rephrased, it is a request for the reason why these things are not happening.

LordReed:


Simply put and properly rephrased, it is a request for the reason why these things are not happening.

You didn't answer my question!
You said:

LordReed:

And what's wrong with that? Does it tire the god? Or does his magic powers fade with repeated use?

And I asked,

Then,
What is that "what" in your statement?
What is the "it" in your statement?
I add:
What is the "that" in your statement?

I need you to explain the meaning of the words by the context you said them

shadeyinka:

You didn't answer my question!
You said:



And I asked,

Then,
What is that "what" in your statement?
What is the "it" in your statement?
I add:
What is the "that" in your statement?

I need you to explain the meaning of the words by the context you said them

I answered your question. The what, that and it are requests for reasons why.

LordReed:


Simply put and properly rephrased, it is a request for the reason why these things are not happening.

How many times do you have to be told this. Miracles are not guarantees of people loving God or going to Heaven or pleasing God. Ask Moses followers to the Corinthian church. You should stop asking the same thing at intervals.

LordReed:


There is nothing like higher animal. I am a unique combination of star dust that will never be repeated on the Earth so yes I am special. My uniqueness is fully rooted in reality, I don't need fairy tales to know I am special.

You don't know how special you are obviously. If you knew, you would not sell your soul for crumbs.

LordReed:


Yes I think I am special enough for special visitation. I am unique and another me will never come to this earth again.

Every living thing can think same duh, you overrate yourself.

Image123:


How many times do you have to be told this. Miracles are not guarantees of people loving God or going to Heaven or pleasing God. Ask Moses followers to the Corinthian church. You should stop asking the same thing at intervals.

You'll not give your child food because it's not a guarantee that your child will love you. You'll not take your child to the hospital because it's not a guarantee that your child will be obedient to you. Such a parent will be arrested and the child removed from their care cos they obviously don't know what it means to be a parent.

LordReed:


You'll not give your child food because it's not a guarantee that your child will love you. You'll not take your child to the hospital because it's not a guarantee that your child will be obedient to you. Such a parent will be arrested and the child removed from their care cos they obviously don't know what it means to be a parent.

Children of God know themselves na. Are you a child of God again?

Bmaster:
Op I believe in God and all the miracles he did.


But you know,they say seeing is believing,

I will believe the more if I receive miracles from God.


I am a sickler,help me in begging God to heal me unconditionally from now till next Sunday,thank you

be a tool for God and watch Him do your work

Image123:


Children of God know themselves na. Are you a child of God again?

Of what relevance is this to the subject? We are talking of your god being unable to heal Christians who are amputees or who have cancer, what has your question got to do with that?

LordReed:


Of what relevance is this to the subject? We are talking of your god being unable to heal Christians who are amputees or who have cancer, what has your question got to do with that?

Oh, in your line of reasoning among other things, you said "Yes I think I am special enough for special visitation." That was one of the things that prompted me to say that "Miracles are not guarantees of people loving God or going to Heaven or pleasing God. "

Children of God already love Him and obey Him, so in their case, they do not exactly need miracles FOR them to love or obey Him like you may suppose. Many children of God also testify every single week about God's miracles to them and around them, do you believe them? For instance, we both know the popular pastor's wife who says God healed her of cancer. Do you believe her?
The point is that God's children are not complaining about not having or seeing miracles. They say that God is a miracle working God. You are the one who is skeptical about it, not them. If you need a miracle to believe God, Jesus and millions of believers will simply tell you others did not see and yet believe and are blessed. Clear?

Image123:


Oh, in your line of reasoning among other things, you said "Yes I think I am special enough for special visitation." That was one of the things that prompted me to say that "Miracles are not guarantees of people loving God or going to Heaven or pleasing God. "

Children of God already love Him and obey Him, so in their case, they do not exactly need miracles FOR them to love or obey Him like you may suppose. Many children of God also testify every single week about God's miracles to them and around them, do you believe them? For instance, we both know the popular pastor's wife who says God healed her of cancer. Do you believe her?
The point is that God's children are not complaining about not having or seeing miracles. They say that God is a miracle working God. You are the one who is skeptical about it, not them. If you need a miracle to believe God, Jesus and millions of believers will simply tell you others did not see and yet believe and are blessed. Clear?

I don't need a miracle to believe in a god because belief I think is a useless proposition. If the god exists and is going to act then I don't see how belief alters that. Nor do I believe these are miracles because they happen to people regardless of their beliefs so I don't believe them when they say a god healed them. Sure it could be determined if the ailment is indeed gone but I am not convinced that their attribution to a god is correct.

Summarily, when I point out that there has been no record of a regrown amputees limb, I highlight how the attribution to your god, immense cosmic powers seems at odds with the state of affairs. So I ask why? Are you saying none of the people that are Christians with amputated limbs are really children of your god? Are you saying none of them was worthy of having their limbs restored, even children who had congenital defects? These questions have never been answered satisfactorily.

LordReed:


I don't need a miracle to believe in a god because belief I think is a useless proposition. If the god exists and is going to act then I don't see how belief alters that. Nor do I believe these are miracles because they happen to people regardless of their beliefs so I don't believe them when they say a god healed them. Sure it could be determined if the ailment is indeed gone but I am not convinced that their attribution to a god is correct.

Summarily, when I point out that there has been no record of a regrown amputees limb, I highlight how the attribution to your god, immense cosmic powers seems at odds with the state of affairs. So I ask why? Are you saying none of the people that are Christians with amputated limbs are really children of your god? Are you saying none of them was worthy of having their limbs restored, even children who had congenital defects? These questions have never been answered satisfactorily.

You don't need a miracle to believe in God, fine. Almost like me,only that you are determined not to believe even if there was a miracle. You'd rather explain and assume it away than believe because you don't want to believe. Belief would shatter your world literally, but let's dismiss it as insignificant, right. Properly said, you don't want God to exist.

When you say no record, record where? How many amputees records do you have for instance? Are you an amputee?
Again, God heals. Also you don't primarily need healing to believe in a god or God. You are a witness to that i believe. God doesn't promise to heal everyone, He's not father christmas remember. His own purpose and priority is different from yours. He has promised no sickness and total health in the world to come. The door to that world is significantly accessible to all.

LordReed:

Of what relevance is this to the subject? We are talking of your god being unable to heal Christians who are amputees or who have cancer, what has your question got to do with that?

Sorry i cut in!

Though most religionists today are of the opinion that God must always perform miracles on their behalf before they subject themselves to Him. Their thinking is just the same as yours, i'm sure all these arguments won't come up if you have a disabled in your family that you know very well from birth suddenly got cured and is completely healed in any place. You will certainly believe in the God that does such for your family.

But the true God doesn't operate like that. He planned to heal all infirmities once for all time but since the Israelites were His special people whom He wanted to use for His global campaign He kept performing wonders in their midst so that they'll be confident to take his message throughout the earth. The message is not about the laws he gave their forefathers in the wilderness, that was just a covenant to distinguish them from all other nations.
The message they will PREACH and TEACH other nations will be brought to them by a perfect man who will serve as an exemplary (role model) for all people, this role model may be difficult to identify so God will empower him to perform all the wonderful things He (God) promised on a small scale within Israel and finally this role model will be killed, now God also promised that all those who are dead will be resurrected. So this role model must rise from the dead to instill in the minds of his disciples that all the promises God made to the world through Israel will surely be fulfilled.
That's why miracles were recorded in the Bible.
But misinformed Churchgoers want God to solve all their problems even before His promise of a Kingdom (Government) is fulfilled yet they're going around limping on two different opinions, voting and supporting human government and at the same time expecting all the goodies God promised those who patiently waited for him.

God won't answer them because they're like the twisted and faithless generation, so they can't explain why God is not performing the miracles just as they read in the Bible!

Thanks!

MaxInDHouse:


Sorry i cut in!

Though most religionists today are of the opinion that God must always perform miracles on their behalf before they subject themselves to Him. Their thinking is just the same as yours, i'm sure all these arguments won't come up if you have a disabled in your family that you know very well from birth suddenly got cured and is completely healed in any place. You will certainly believe in the God that does such for your family.

But the true God doesn't operate like that. He planned to heal all infirmities once for all time but since the Israelites were His special people whom He wanted to use for His global campaign He kept performing wonders in their midst so that they'll be confident to take his message throughout the earth. The message is not about the laws he gave their forefathers in the wilderness, that was just a covenant to distinguish them from all other nations.
The message they will PREACH and TEACH other nations will be brought to them by a perfect man who will serve as an exemplary (role model) for all people, this role model may be difficult to identify so God will empower him to perform all the wonderful things He (God) promised on a small scale within Israel and finally this role model will be killed, now God also promised that all those who are dead will be resurrected. So this role model must rise from the dead to instill in the minds of his disciples that all the promises God made to the world through Israel will surely be fulfilled.
That's why miracles were recorded in the Bible.
But misinformed Churchgoers want God to solve all their problems even before His promise of a Kingdom (Government) is fulfilled yet they're going around limping on two different opinions, voting and supporting human government and at the same time expecting all the goodies God promised those who patiently waited for him.

God won't answer them because they're like the twisted and faithless generation, so they can't explain why God is not performing the miracles just as they read in the Bible!

Thanks!

I am not interested in subjecting myself to a god because it can perform miracles, that is not the point. This is an inquiry into why these so called miracles are not readily apparent. The Bible says that an angel used to disturb a pool and the first person who goes into it after the disturbance will be healed, no faith or genuflections required. Where is such a thing today?

LordReed:


I not interested in subjecting myself to a god because it can perform miracles, that is not the point. This is an inquiry into why these so called miracles are not readily apparent. The Bible says that an angel used to disturb a pool and the first person who goes into it after the disturbance will be healed, no faith or genuflections required. Where is such a thing today?

Don't mind those Bible quoters.

Image123:


You don't need a miracle to believe in God, fine. Almost like me,only that you are determined not to believe even if there was a miracle. You'd rather explain and assume it away than believe because you don't want to believe. Belief would shatter your world literally, but let's dismiss it as insignificant, right. Properly said, you don't want God to exist.

You don't get to be the one to tell me what I want or don't want, you should ask and not jump into conclusions. That said whether or not I don't want a god to exist is irrelevant because reality does not work based on my whims. If a god exists, it will exist whether or not I want it to. What I do want is to know if a god exists and how such knowledge can be established unequivocally.

When you say no record, record where? How many amputees records do you have for instance? Are you an amputee?
Again, God heals. Also you don't primarily need healing to believe in a god or God. You are a witness to that i believe. God doesn't promise to heal everyone, He's not father christmas remember. His own purpose and priority is different from yours. He has promised no sickness and total health in the world to come. The door to that world is significantly accessible to all.

No record because we have repeatedly ask for such a record and nobody has provided it.

You make an even stronger case for the uselessness of belief. According to you he will do what he will do so why do you need to believe?

LordReed:

I not interested in subjecting myself to a god because it can perform miracles, that is not the point. This is an inquiry into why these so called miracles are not readily apparent.
The Bible says that an angel used to disturb a pool and the first person who goes into it after the disturbance will be healed, no faith or genuflections required.

That's just one of the credulous beliefs of first century Jews so it's not real!
Note that the man Jesus healed at that pool didn't say people were healed in his presence he's just hoping the idea could work for him.
You are human so you can't deny the characteristics of man, if you're to choose which part of the world you'll like to live of course you won't choose Nigeria because the government doesn't set up policies that will make an average citizen enjoy his citizenship. But if you're now given an MBE (Member of the British Empire) status in GREAT BRITAIN where all your children will be treated as citizens in London, you will be grateful and ever willing to prove yourself a loyal citizen to the core by SUBJECTING yourself to all the rules set up in their policy!
WHY?
Because you'll be privileged to live where people's lives are valued.
So what you're saying that you are not interested in subjecting yourself to a God who will solve ALL YOUR PROBLEMS doesn't make any practical sense, if you will be willing to subject yourself to humans simply because they set up policies that will make you enjoy your stay on their soil but can't solve all your problems!

Where is such a thing today?

I told you in the last post, God doesn't perform miracles just to woo worshipers, those miracles have a purpose which has been fulfilled.
For your information, it's only in Israel that they enjoyed it but after Jesus' death and resurrection there was no miracles happening anywhere in Israel apart from among the Christians and after Jerusalem's destruction there was no miracles afterwards till today!
So you can't find real miracles again, the purpose for which it used to occur has been achieved!

LordReed already know me better than you can imagine, so he knows what to do with my post!

HellVictorinho:

Don't mind those Bible quoters.

MaxInDHouse:

That's just one of the credulous beliefs of first century Jews so it's not real!
Note that the man Jesus healed at that pool didn't say people were healed in his presence he's just hoping the idea could work for him.
You are human so you can't deny the characteristics of man, if you're to choose which part of the world you'll like to live of course you won't choose Nigeria because the government doesn't set up policies that will make an average citizen enjoy his citizenship. But if you're now given an MBE (Member of the British Empire) status in GREAT BRITAIN where all your children will be treated as citizens in London, you will be grateful and ever willing to prove yourself a loyal citizen to the core by SUBJECTING yourself to all the rules set up in their policy!
WHY?
Because you'll be privileged to live where people's lives are valued.
So what you're saying that you are not interested in subjecting yourself to a God who will solve ALL YOUR PROBLEMS doesn't make any practical sense, if you will be willing to subject yourself to humans simply because they set up policies that will make you enjoy your stay on their soil but can't solve all your problems!



I told you in the last post, God doesn't perform miracles just to woo worshipers, those miracles have a purpose which has been fulfilled.
For your information, it's only in Israel that they enjoyed it but after Jesus' death and resurrection there was no miracles happening anywhere in Israel apart from among the Christians and after Jerusalem's destruction there was no miracles afterwards till today!
So you can't find real miracles again, the purpose for which it used to occur has been achieved!

Not all governments are worth subjecting yourself to regardless of what they provide. A nasty god that does miracles is in the same class.

Well, I guess the discussion with you ends if you say miracles no longer exist because we are those who claim they do exist. However as am curious what was the purpose of miracles in the past according to you?