MaxInDHouse:
LordReed already know me better than you can imagine, so he knows what to do with my post!

LordReed doesn't need your post.

LordReed:

Not all governments are worth subjecting yourself to regardless of what they provide. A nasty god that does miracles is in the same class.

The highlighted simply means you won't subscribe to any form of orderliness no matter what those in authorities provide for their citizens, right?
My friend we are humans and as intelligent creatures with freewill our thoughts can't easily be harmonized due to diversity in likes and dislikes so we ought to have a form of standard guiding us on how to cohabit peacefully, that's the purpose of a Governing Body or Government!

Well, I guess the discussion with you ends if you say miracles no longer exist because we are those who claim they do exist. However as am curious what was the purpose of miracles in the past according to you?

God doesn't need to perform miracles for humans after creation, He has given the earth to us as a home {Psalms 115:16} so whatever we do here will be own making apart from the mechanism He set in place (natural forces)
The first human pair decided to be absolutely free from His guidance which they needed as new tenants in their home, that's what led to all the troubles mankind is experiencing today.
He planned to renovate the earth and give the descendants of those two rebels the opportunity to regain what was lost (Paradise) but whoever wants to be part of the blessed ones must prove to be loyal and obedient not like our first human parents who were rebels.
That's why He due to his LOVE and KIND-HEARTEDNESS sent us a role model whose footsteps we must follow to gain His approval! John 3:16
So the miracles back then only serve as examples of what He is going to do on a grand scale globally, nobody truly need those miracles because they are not permanent, the people He healed, raise, saved or whatever miracles He did for them back then still died again!
But when His Kingdom come He will heal all our wounds and nobody again will say "I am sick" {Isaiah 33:24} by that time our God will bless all the living not just few again! Psalms 67:1,6,7

Thanks!

Do you really think so?

HellVictorinho:

LordReed doesn't need your post.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you really think so?

Yeah.

Well unlike some people LordReed is not a BEGGAR on Nairaland so let him be, again i'll say he knows what to do with my posts!

HellVictorinho:

Yeah.

MaxInDHouse:

The highlighted simply means you won't subscribe to any form of orderliness no matter what those in authorities provide for their citizens, right?
My friend we are humans and as intelligent creatures with freewill our thoughts can't easily be harmonized due to diversity in likes and dislikes so we ought to have a form of standard guiding us on how to cohabit peacefully, that's the purpose of a Governing Body or Government!

I don't know how you arrived at this since I didn't write "all governments", I wrote "not all governments".

God doesn't need to perform miracles for humans after creation, He has given the earth to us as a home {Psalms 115:16} so whatever we do here will be own making apart from the mechanism He set in place (natural forces)
The first human pair decided to be absolutely free from His guidance which they needed as new tenants in their home, that's what led to all the troubles mankind is experiencing today.
He planned to renovate the earth and give the descendants of those two rebels the opportunity to regain what was lost (Paradise) but whoever wants to be part of the blessed ones must prove to be loyal and obedient not like our first human parents who were rebels.
That's why He due to his LOVE and KIND-HEARTEDNESS sent us a role model whose footsteps we must follow to gain His approval! John 3:16
So the miracles back then only serve as examples of what He is going to do on a grand scale globally, nobody truly need those miracles because they are not permanent, the people He healed, raise, saved or whatever miracles He did for them back then still died again!
But when His Kingdom come He will heal all our wounds and nobody again will say "I am sick" {Isaiah 33:24} by that time our God will bless all the living not just few again! Psalms 67:1,6,7

Thanks!

Good, my discussion on this ends with you. Thanks for your input.

MaxInDHouse:
Well unlike some people LordReed is not a BEGGAR on Nairaland so let him be, again i'll say he knows what to do with my posts!

This is hitting below the belt. Not nice at all.

MaxInDHouse:
Well unlike some people LordReed is not a BEGGAR on Nairaland so let him be, again i'll say he knows what to do with my posts!

This can't hurt me.

LordReed:

I don't know how you arrived at this since I didn't write "all governments", I wrote "not all governments"

Well i guess you missed the point, i was talking about sane persons like you and i. Certainly when we are able to find a place where our lives will have a meaning we will subject ourselves to whatever is required to continue living there as citizens!

Good, my discussion on this ends with you. Thanks for your input.

You're welcome anytime Sir!

Do you think a street beggar should determine when and how you should chat with your own neighbour?
Tell me the difference between this hopeless beggar and those terrorists killing people simply because those ones are practicing the form of worship pleasing to them?
If he doesn't want to be disgraced he ought to know what to do when his prospective benefactors are chatting, so he got what he deserves!

LordReed:

This is hitting below the belt. Not nice at all.

Well are you one of the beggars on Nairaland?

HellVictorinho:

This can't hurt me.

MaxInDHouse:
Well are you one of the beggars on Nairaland?

Why are you disturbing me

MaxInDHouse:
Do you think a street beggar should determine when and how you should chat with your own neighbour?
Tell me the difference between this hopeless beggar and those terrorists killing people simply because those ones are practicing the form of worship pleasing to them?
If he doesn't want to be disgraced he ought to know what to do when his prospective benefactors are chatting, so he got what he deserves!

Bla Bla Bla.

Object o or subject o, it is no impossibility.

This is an example of a baker that can bake all sorts. One day, he makes a doughnut when you least expected it and you call it the impossible.

femi4:
Olodo! "Impossible" is the object not the subject in the sentence. It's not a function of the subject

Next time you'll learn to respect others!

HellVictorinho:

Bla Bla Bla.

Sterope:
Object o or subject o, it is no impossibility.

This is an example of a baker that can bake all sorts. One day, he makes a doughnut when you least expected it and you call it the impossible.

You lack understanding of English language.

"A baker baked cake that's impossible" or "A baker baked the impossible" is a short form of "A baker baked cake that's impossible for others"


Go ahead and swim in your folly...you are just impossible


I m done!

MaxInDHouse:
Next time you'll learn to respect others!

When will you learn to respect yourself?

Others ke. How many Gods are we discussing here? .

Is it not what you are erroneously labelling as 'impossible' his creation as well?

femi4:
You lack understanding of English language.

"A baker baked cake that's impossible" or "A baker baked the impossible" is a short form of "A baker baked cake that's impossible for others"


Go ahead and swim in your folly...you are just impossible


I m done!

Let's say it's when i dash you money, shey?

HellVictorinho:

When will you learn to respect yourself?

MaxInDHouse:
Let's say it's when i dash you money, shey?

People like Bill Gates that have a foundation don't act like this since they consider the fact they once required help,too.
Are you richer than Bill Gates?
If you never had anyone's help, would you still be alive today?

Lots and lots and lots of times in the past i needed help both financially, emotionally and spiritually but i never interrupt adults having a meaningful discussion about what's happening around them, talkless ordering them about when to talk or with whom they should chat.
That's where you bite more than what you can chew.
Certainly this is not one of your bla bla bla, it's about respect which begats reciprocal, go and ask Bill if he ever interrupt people's discussion disrespectfully before or even after he became the world's number one!

HellVictorinho:

People like Bill Gates that have a foundation don't act like this since they consider the fact they once required help,too.
Are you richer than Bill Gates?
If you never had anyone's help, would you still be alive today?

MaxInDHouse:
Lots and lots and lots of times in the past i needed help both financially, emotionally and spiritually but i never interrupt adults having a meaningful discussion about what's happening around them, talkless ordering them about when to talk or with whom they should chat.
That's where you bite more than what you can chew.
Certainly this is not one of your bla bla bla, it's about respect which begats reciprocal, go and ask Bill if he ever interrupt people's discussion disrespectfully before or even after he became the world's number one!

There's nothing disrespectful about my posts.
It is you that is determined to make me feel bad.
But you have failed because I don't think there's any reason why you should have tried to make me feel that way.

Between LordReed and myself who is your kid that you're ordering to stop chatting if you're not disrespectful?
You guys just feel like talking to religionists anyhow simply because you think we are begging you to come and worship, so mind the way you interrupt people when they're discussing.
I told you that LordReed and i have been chatting not today but you kept behaving as if you have authority to disrupt our conversation.
Just keep your calm no one is out to hurt you if you behave yourself!

HellVictorinho:


There's nothing disrespectful about my posts.
It is you that is determined to make me feel bad.
But you have failed because I don't think there's any reason why you should have tried to make me feel that way.

LordReed:


You don't get to be the one to tell me what I want or don't want, you should ask and not jump into conclusions. That said whether or not I don't want a god to exist is irrelevant because reality does not work based on my whims. If a god exists, it will exist whether or not I want it to. What I do want is to know if a god exists and how such knowledge can be established unequivocally.

But you know that i'm not just knowing you last week for God's sake . i know you and i gave you your proper diagnosis. You don't like it so no problem. God exists whether you want that or not, good one. Your meaning of unequivocally is likely your terms, physical and in the lab. Unfortunately for us both, God is not boxed up in the lab or by our terms. In the Bible, God says He is a Spirit and that we must believe to know Him.

No record because we have repeatedly ask for such a record and nobody has provided it.

You make an even stronger case for the uselessness of belief. According to you he will do what he will do so why do you need to believe?

Did you guess that you are the one(s) desperately in need of the stats? i don't need the records so i don't need to look for them AT ALL. i do not know any amputee not to talk of looking for the one healed or not healed. That is why i ask you how many you know so that we can at least work on that and see how many can be healed or have been healed. Are you an amputee? Have you asked any amputees if others have been healed? They may have the information, you know?

Like i said, God does not promise to heal everyone but He does heal. He is Jehovah Rapha. One of the ways of receiving healing from Him is FAITH. You must have read "your faith has made you whole". If you have faith, you greatly increase your chance of being healed. That is about faith for healing anyway, dunno if you are talking about the usefulness of faith in general(as well).

jesusjnr1:
It's a good thing to speak of what God did in those days, but we shouldn't settle for that because the same Spirit behind the those works is currently Earth-based.

Hence we should ensure that we yield ourselves to Him completely as those He used in those days had done, so that those things He did with them then, He shall also do with us now.

So that when we begin to speak of the impossible things God had done, we wouldn't only be speaking of the past but also the present.

God bless.

You've spoken my mind for the first time.

Why is it we can only turn to the bible when speaking of the great works/miracles of God?

Has he stopped performing miracles, I mean irrefutable miracles especially in our world that desperately needs miracles?

Shouldn't OP have been able to point to miracles he has experienced personally or witnessed?
After all, we should be seeing greater works that even Jesus Christ did.

MaxInDHouse:
Between LordReed and myself who is your kid that you're ordering to stop chatting if you're not disrespectful?
You guys just feel like talking to religionists anyhow simply because you think we are begging you to come and worship, so mind the way you interrupt people when they're discussing.
I told you that LordReed and i have been chatting not today but you kept behaving as if you have authority to disrupt our conversation.
Just keep your calm no one is out to hurt you if you behave yourself!

I was never trying to stop you from quoting the Bible.

Image123:


But you know that i'm not just knowing you last week for God's sake . i know you and i gave you your proper diagnosis. You don't like it so no problem. God exists whether you want that or not, good one. Your meaning of unequivocally is likely your terms, physical and in the lab. Unfortunately for us both, God is not boxed up in the lab or by our terms. In the Bible, God says He is a Spirit and that we must believe to know Him.

Then you misdiagnosed because at no point in our previous discussions have I ever expressed that I don't want a god to exist, that is a figment of your prejudice.

Did you guess that you are the one(s) desperately in need of the stats? i don't need the records so i don't need to look for them AT ALL. i do not know any amputee not to talk of looking for the one healed or not healed. That is why i ask you how many you know so that we can at least work on that and see how many can be healed or have been healed. Are you an amputee? Have you asked any amputees if others have been healed? They may have the information, you know?

Like i said, God does not promise to heal everyone but He does heal. He is Jehovah Rapha. One of the ways of receiving healing from Him is FAITH. You must have read "your faith has made you whole". If you have faith, you greatly increase your chance of being healed. That is about faith for healing anyway, dunno if you are talking about the usefulness of faith in general(as well).

What a laugh. Where does desperate enter into this? Desperate for what exactly? We ask you to provide evidence, you can't provide it and we are the ones desperate? If I was an amputee I certainly won't be waiting for your god to do anything about it because for the many thousands of years of recorded history, the god has not done such a thing, not even in your bible is it recorded. Meanwhile men are making progress in helping people regain limb functionality where previously lost. I will rather take my chances with such than become desperate for an unevidenced god.

Oh now you agree it's chance but previously when I said it was by chance you wanted to kick me in the head. LMAO!

I am talking about the usefulness of faith for things such as healing. If the god is sovereign why does he need your faith? Does your faith make his power more real? You say faith is one of the ways so I assume there are other ways? Even the bible says an angel used to stir up a pool and anyone who entered it was healed, no faith required so indeed according to the bible healing can take place without faith, why then is faith so crucial? What is special about faith when the god can just send angels to stir up pools and provide people with healing?

LordReed:


Then you misdiagnosed because at no point in our previous discussions have I ever expressed that I don't want a god to exist, that is a figment of your prejudice.





What a laugh. Where does desperate enter into this? Desperate for what exactly? We ask you to provide evidence, you can't provide it and we are the ones desperate? If I was an amputee I certainly won't be waiting for your god to do anything about it because for the many thousands of years of recorded history, the god has not done such a thing, not even in your bible is it recorded. Meanwhile men are making progress in helping people regain limb functionality where previously lost. I will rather take my chances with such than become desperate for an unevidenced god.

Oh now you agree it's chance but previously when I said it was by chance you wanted to kick me in the head. LMAO!

I am talking about the usefulness of faith for things such as healing. If the god is sovereign why does he need your faith? Does your faith make his power more real? You say faith is one of the ways so I assume there are other ways? Even the bible says an angel used to stir up a pool and anyone who entered it was healed, no faith required so indeed according to the bible healing can take place without faith, why then is faith so crucial? What is special about faith when the god can just send angels to stir up pools and provide people with healing?

Don't mind that one.
He's just another Bible quoter.

LordReed:


Then you misdiagnosed because at no point in our previous discussions have I ever expressed that I don't want a god to exist, that is a figment of your prejudice.

Diagnosis don't work that way, experts sometimes tell everyday people what they do not know about themselves. Like some people are told that they have ailments that they never knew, or that they have certain time left to live etc.

What a laugh. Where does desperate enter into this? Desperate for what exactly? We ask you to provide evidence, you can't provide it and we are the ones desperate? If I was an amputee I certainly won't be waiting for your god to do anything about it because for the many thousands of years of recorded history, the god has not done such a thing, not even in your bible is it recorded. Meanwhile men are making progress in helping people regain limb functionality where previously lost. I will rather take my chances with such than become desperate for an unevidenced god.

If "desperate" includes feeling or showing a hopeless sense that a situation is so bad as to be impossible to deal with. Then you guys are desperate to see God heal an amputee. You have been asking for it for years, right or right? i do not need the evidence so i do not need to look for it. How many amputees do you know of in the Bible? Do you believe the healings n the Bible or the ones people report? Would you believe it if it was recorded in the Bible? You are lucky i'm unsually soft, don't get unlucky already.

Oh now you agree it's chance but previously when I said it was by chance you wanted to kick me in the head. LMAO!

Faith has ALWAYS being in degrees/sizes. My level of faith may not be the level of faith of another person. It is implicit that there will be varying degrees of chance or possibility. It's like saying a man with a lot of money(faith) has a greater chance of survival or of recovery from a sickness. This doesn't mean that the money is insignificant or not necessary. His riches should help him pay for good medicine and have access to quality/world class healthcare. At least, he is probably at a better chance than a poor beggar. But it is still a CHANCE. There are other factors too.
Also and secondly, it is like saying that a lady that exercises(has faith) should be more fit or live a more healthy life than the one that does not. There is still the element of CHANCE in it. It does not make the exercising or keeping fit of no worth. It simply means other things may be involved.

Faith is by all means a huge step towards receiving anything from God.

I am talking about the usefulness of faith for things such as healing. If the god is sovereign why does he need your faith? Does your faith make his power more real? You say faith is one of the ways so I assume there are other ways? Even the bible says an angel used to stir up a pool and anyone who entered it was healed, no faith required so indeed according to the bible healing can take place without faith, why then is faith so crucial? What is special about faith when the god can just send angels to stir up pools and provide people with healing?

i will restate again that one MAY receive from God without faith. For instance, God worked some great miracles among the Israelites despite their unbelief.
Psa 78:22  Because they believed not in God, and trusted not in his salvation: 
Psa 78:23  Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven, 
Psa 78:24  And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven.

This is clear and we seem to agree on it. There are other things that make God to work miracles or through which one can receive from God. For instance, the Israelites in focus had things like God's covenant and faithfulness to their forefathers(Abraham and co) working for them. They had the prayers and person of Moses, they had time factor(there is time for everything and it was time for God to fulfill the prophecy given), and of course they have God's sovereignty which you referenced. God is not an automaton or machine, He is a person. Like every person you want to receive something from, there are usually some attitude you may display to receive the person's favour or help. For instance, you may be cordial, respectful, engaging, punctual etc. But the person still has his/her personal prerogative to say yes/no to your request. The attitude you display may tick the boxes and get or not get.
For instance you may be in traffic and meet a beggar and you give him something. You may meet the same beggar another day, he may do the same thing but you did not give anything for reasons best known to you. It does not necessarily mean you are unstable, does it? It sure shows you are not a robot.
Faith is not CRUCIAL or a critical compulsion to healing, but it can be an important ingredient. One MAY BE healed by medicine. Healing can come by praise, principle, mercy, promise, obedience etc.

HellVictorinho:


Don't mind that one.
He's just another Bible quoter.

You really do not want my full attention, you may change your name to hellfire because the one doing you is still small.

Image123:


You really do not want my full attention, you may change your name to hellfire because the one doing you is still small.

I am ready to die.

Forget it my guy, if you don't appreciate life others do and your miserableness is not a license to interrupt adults when chatting!

HellVictorinho:

I was never trying to stop you from quoting the Bible.