martyns303:
The writer is contradicting himself. First he said the pastor is being an hypocrite for advising people to have a plan B while preaching faith.

At the same time, the writer said the idea of people “checking out” is not new, and mentioned a 80s advert, if the idea of leaving is not new, why criticize the pastor for saying something everyone else already knows?

The writer said, the pastor is having a privileged mentality, at the same time, he said even unprivileged people are either leaving or plan on leaving if u should check Twitter.

At the end of the day, let everybody do what works for them.

First of all, the writer is a SHE.............

..........Writing from the comfort of the U S A where she is an associate Professor.......

.....Married to an engineer (white man)........

....What did she say about plan B again

Aarenaija:



That they; the pastors have done successfully in Nigeria. That is why the country has not been burnt down because the church has worked on the minds of the people to be hopeful and put things in the hands of God instead of fighting for their rights.

Very interesting point of view. Where do we draw the line between striving for calm in a sinking ship and rallying the occupants of the ship to fight to save the ship. Do we as christians continue sitting tight, hoping things will get better or do we actually start being the agents of that change we are yearning for?
Pastor Adefarasins view point is interesting in that he is neither asking people to hope nor be the agents of change that Nigrria badly needs. He is instead asking people to have a plan B and run away.

duni04:

Very interesting point of view. Where do we draw the line between striving for calm in a sinking ship and rallying the occupants of the ship to fight to save the ship. Do we as christians continue sitting tight, hoping things will get better or do we actually start being the agents of that change we are yearning for?
Pastor Adefarasins view point is interesting in that he is neither asking people to hope nor be the agents of change that Nigrria badly needs. He is instead asking people to have a plan B and run away.

The Kingdom Christians are called to is not of this world and so Christian arent to concern themselves with the worries and insecurities of this world and its government. Also, Christians are not called as "agents of change" in this world - that idea is not scriptural.
So best you leave Christianity out of this talk.

There's nothing contradictory there sir. You are the one who decide not to understand the point the writer is making.

It is hypocritical for a man who has been preaching and teaching about faith and God's omnipotent power to advise people to have 'plan b' of leaving their country for whatever reason. Those of us who have reached certain level of spiritual maturity know messages that come from the spirit of God and I can tell you categorically that the pastor's message didn't come from God's spirit!

The pastor's message betray the fact that he never really believed in all the faith teachings he has been teaching, neither does he has real faith in the power of God.

On your third paragraph, the writer believing that the pastor has a privileged mentality doesn't contradict the fact that unprivileged people have been leaving the country in search of greener pastures. You are the one confusing yourself as a result of your unwillingness to read with an open, unbiased mind.

martyns303:
The writer is contradicting himself. First he said the pastor is being an hypocrite for advising people to have a plan B while preaching faith.

At the same time, the writer said the idea of people “checking out” is not new, and mentioned a 80s advert, if the idea of leaving is not new, why criticize the pastor for saying something everyone else already knows?

The writer said, the pastor is having a privileged mentality, at the same time, he said even unprivileged people are either leaving or plan on leaving if u should check Twitter.

At the end of the day, let everybody do what works for them.

somehow:
Nigeria is suffering from not having true citizens.

Nigeria has occupants, not citizens.

Your comment is the comment of the century. You nailed and hammered it!

powerbank2000:
that one sef dey

Joway 40,000mah powerbank for laptop and phones.

Charge simultaneously

Call or whatsapp - 0.8.1.1.9.7.5.6.1.4.4.

How much

the pastor is a mental patient. If na abroad he dey he would have been an homeless bastard on food bank. He made those billions in Nigeria yet talk bull from his smelling mouth. 95% of Europeans or Americans don't have his networth. Make ogun kill the pastor

Kobojunkie:
The Kingdom Christians are called to is not of this world and so Christian arent to concern themselves with the worries and insecurities of this world and its government. Also, Christians are not called as "agents of change" in this world - that idea is not scriptural.
So best you leave Christianity out of this talk.

We are the light of the world. We are agents of change! We are mandated as christians to let our light shine before men. That is what it means to be an agent of change! Yes our kingdom is not this one but the one after this one. It doesn't mean we are to sit down and do nothing. We are supossed to go into the world and shine the light of Christ.

duni04:

Bro its a vicious cycle. The people who with their ingenuity and foreign education, are supossed ro fix the country, are the ones that are leaving enmass! Who then do we expect to fix the country? Angels? Of course its the thugs and miscreants that we're leaving behind. I'm not saying i wouldn't leave if i had the chance but I'm convinced that this cycle will break the moment the educated and enlightened people in the country say enough is enough and decide to be selfless and forgo life's pleasures and stay back and fix the country.
The reason we have a clueless person like Buhari in charge is because the more enlightened people have decided to step back, run away and enjoy life more. Evil thrives when the good people stand by and do nothing, in Nigeria's case its Evil thrives when the good and educated run to Canada and the UK. Nigeria will never be built by thugs and miscreants or clueless people like Buhari.

the problem is not that people don't want to fix the country, many people do. The problem is that the country won't even allow you fix her, try and experience frustration, setbacks and even death.

If you are wise enough you would understand what the pastor was talking about this country is so messed up to the point that staying here with the way things are going is almost suicidal. Let's forget about being a pastor or not it's just the plain truth take it or leave it praying and having a plan B are the best. Even the Bible said watch and pray, the word "WATCH" is the plan B

Mynd44:
Previous threads: https://www.nairaland.com/6548177/insecurity-nigeria-plan-b-pastor

https://www.nairaland.com/6548304/insecurity-yul-edochie-reveals-plan

https://www.nairaland.com/6548689/daddy-freeze-save-tithe-fund

https://twitter.com/chikaunigwe/status/1395344223847817216

Anyone that want to leave should leave o, they should stop disturbing us with plan B.
Adefarasin is quick to about plan B now.
How many of you know that he was
The little brides maid or whatever they call it during general yakubu Gowon's wedding.
That should tell you how well connected his father is.
He has one way or the other benefited from the problem the country has today.
He should fork OFF with his plan B

You no get joy

ogashman:
Chika unigwe is a useless southerner and is portraying how nonsensical southerners have been since inception. How many northerners have u seen criticizing gumi or pantami irrespective of their radical beliefs?

Adefarasin plan b was born out of the sheer insecurity in this country. Even Jesus would have advised his disciples to buy a gun or machete to defend themselves against state sponsored persecution against some people.


The writer is suffering from chronic myopia and has refused to see beyond her nose

Plan B....
Jetting out to "already made" countries.
Nigerians and their sense of entitlement. If those people had
ran away from their countries, where would Nigerians be running to now?
Lazy people. Give it another 20 years,they will all be shouting again.... 'black lives matter'!!!!!

martyns303:
The writer is contradicting himself. First he said the pastor is being an hypocrite for advising people to have a plan B while preaching faith.

At the same time, the writer said the idea of people “checking out” is not new, and mentioned a 80s advert, if the idea of leaving is not new, why criticize the pastor for saying something everyone else already knows?

The writer said, the pastor is having a privileged mentality, at the same time, he said even unprivileged people are either leaving or plan on leaving if u should check Twitter.

At the end of the day, let everybody do what works for them.

How can you fail to understand such a simple post from Chika?

Let me explain it to you. Below is a summary;

Adefarasin is so wealthy (privileged), he forgets (blind) that not everyone is rich enough to afford his Plan B.

Also, Christianity is all about giving hope to the hopeless. And pastors claim to be custodians of this belief. So, Adefarasin should (by his calling or vocation) be optimistic. Even if others are pessimistic, pastors should naturally be optimistic people.

Many underprivileged people have (and will still) explore Adefarasin's Plan B. But it is always a dangerous plan for underprivileged people because many who have tried to leave the country ended up dying in the Sahara.

The major highlight of Chika's article is that privileges can make one blind to the conditions of other people. Adefarasin spoke about Plan B as though it is a viable plan for many Nigerians.

For many Nigerians who cannot even feed twice a day, how can you tell them to have Plan B? Is it someone who cannot pay house rent of a one-room face-me-I-face-u apartment that will have money for flight tickets? Can such a person even afford bus tickets to Accra?

Many Nigerians who tried to have such a Plan B ended up as slaves in Libya.

Which country is messed up?
New Zealand has the highest rate of kidnappings worldwide, their population is only 4.9 million.

You people need to broaden your horizon o! There is pain everywhere!

Daniluv1:
If you are wise enough you would understand what the pastor was talking about this country is so messed up to the point that staying here with the way things are going is almost suicidal. Let's forget about being a pastor or not it's just the plain truth take it or leave it praying and having a plan B are the best. Even the Bible said watch and pray, the word "WATCH" is the plan B

Thank you! Many educated illiterates on this forum.

BluntTheApostle:


How can you fail to understand such a simple post from Chika?

Let me explain it to you. Below is a summary;

Adefarasin is so wealthy (privileged), he forgets (blind) that not everyone is rich enough to afford his Plan B.

Also, Christianity is all about giving hope to the hopeless. And pastors claim to be custodians of this belief. So, Adefarasin should (by his calling or vocation) be optimistic. Even if others are pessimistic, pastors should naturally be optimistic people.

Many underprivileged people have (and will still) explore Adefarasin's Plan B. But it is always a dangerous plan for underprivileged people because many who have tried to leave the country ended up dying in the Sahara.

The major highlight of Chika's article is that privileges can make one blind to the conditions of other people. Adefarasin spoke about Plan B as though it is a viable plan for many Nigerians.

For many Nigerians who cannot even feed twice a day, how can you tell them to have Plan B? Is it someone who cannot pay house rent of a one-room face-me-I-face-u apartment that will have money for flight tickets? Can such a person even afford bus tickets to Accra?

Many Nigerians who tried to have such a Plan B ended up as slaves in Libya.

pellummy:



So you expect hypocrisy from pastor by acting like the davido's and like..... Imagine from where comes your thinking

how much as ur pastor given to u to support ur carrier

Kobojunkie:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/mfonobongnsehe/2011/06/22/hey-im-a-billionaire-nigerian-pastor-cries-out/amp/

Pastor Adefarasin is the founder and lead pastor of the House on the Rock Church, a thriving Pentecostal outfit that emphasizes financial prosperity almost as if it were a requisite for salvation. He is one of Nigeria’s most elegant men, famed for his bespoke Italian-cut suits, flashy automobiles, shiny head and his deep baritone enmeshed in a delightful American accent.

Pastor Adefarasin is “rich”, and he set out to prove his point to his church members at the 5-Star Eko Hotel in Victoria Island, Lagos where he held this Sunday’s service.

“I am a billionaire and there is nothing anybody can do about it,” he boasted. “I have coached many billionaires and you know, the pastor of billionaires is a billionaire.”

The preacher of a billionaire can only be a billionaire because a monkey cannot give birth to a goat and a goat cannot follow a baboon.”


“I am a preacher. I am a motivational speaker. I am a TV personality. I am a life coach. You can criticize me or slander me in the pages of newspapers but the blessings are in me and there is nothing anyone can do about it,” he bragged. As a ‘billionaire’, he went ahead to give tips to his vast congregation who apparently are all dreaming of becoming billionaires.

“To become a billionaire, Christians must simply imagine it, ask and realize that money, blessing and favour are already in them. All they need is to ‘work out’ what ‘God has already worked in.’ ”

“Some of you do not see that you are already billionaires but there is a difference between to create and to unveil. God will simply unveil your billions to you as he did to me,” he said to his multi-thousand congregation.

There's a difference between speaking in faith that you're a billionaire and the time phase it takes for it to materialize, what he just did there is to speak it in faith...the pastor of billionaires can only be a billiionaire. Please show me his assets that add up to him being a billionaire then I would agree.

Those advising you to stay have been in and out of this country and can easily do so if need be....Someone said the writer is Belgium �� based......Use your head.....

dederocs:
The work of a man of pulpit is to sell hope, not fear.

Even God sent angel to tell Joseph to run away with Jesus before the king kill them
Does that mean God do not have the power to kill the king?

The black race has been blindfolded by religion in a physical combat, faith cannot do what your brain and hand can do


Even white people that brought religion also produce bulletproof, so what's wrong with you black people

bunto:
Which country is messed up?
New Zealand has the highest rate of kidnappings worldwide, their population is only 4.9 million.

You people need to broaden your horizon o! There is pain everywhere!

So cus new Zealand has d highest number of kidnapping we should surpass them in that?
The first time I saw dat statement Adefaresi made, I already said that he is talking like dat cus he has d money, n members of his church who ve d money he is telling to do likewise. Those weh no come get d money for plan b wetin them go come do?
All these people were those that helped to run d Jonathan govt out of power , now dat d ßhït has hit d fan , them wan run leave the very people they received into voting this vampires into govt. Na all of us go suffer d nonsense, if he jets out, I il advocate that he is not let back into d country when dis matter gets better.

Elliot2:
But their are no systematic attacks aimed at the Lebaneses? However, there are planned attacks at against recognized regions and people.

there is no where in the constitution that says you cannot protect yourself. If they meet resistance twice, they wouldn't come back again.

Reference:


Don't be clever by half. Lebanon is a poster child for a country everyone of 'privilege' is escaping from. Its economy is in shambles, its politics a septic tank of Hezbollah terrorists and secular kleptocrats. Why won't they feel at home in Nigeria.

If you mentioned nationals out of sane countries I would have beat my head against a wall in utter frustration.

honestly i no hear english o and i no understand a word you just say. Please come down to my level please

lymelyte:
of what use is the money when you can't enjoy it? Come to think of it, Nigeria doesn't even have enough activities,things to really enjoy the so called money you are talking about..

you just mentioned how to make money without realising it. If we invest in those activities, they will make us rich.

wonderr:
how much as ur pastor given to u to support ur carrier

You are just like a little girl feeling entitled to some things, I don't ask my Pastors for Money, God is taking care of me..... But use your head to think of this "if all the pastors are writing a list of those they have helped" what is good about helping.... The problem you have is you spiritual understanding of help is shallow... Help comes indifferent forms..your secular life will not let you see things the way of the Spirit...

Shut up and go write memo like this for the so called displaced herders .

Mynd44:
Previous threads: https://www.nairaland.com/6548177/insecurity-nigeria-plan-b-pastor

https://www.nairaland.com/6548304/insecurity-yul-edochie-reveals-plan

https://www.nairaland.com/6548689/daddy-freeze-save-tithe-fund

https://twitter.com/chikaunigwe/status/1395344223847817216

Chika... Still looking fly after
all these years. Belgium is truly
dope for the her.

PeaceJoyLove:
Paul Adefarasin has said his own. And he has said it with a clean heart. In this life, the sooner you realise you came alone, and sre leaving alone, the better for you. You dont have to let anyone define your life. All these commentators always wanting to trend shouldntske back seat..

Next topic please!

They are just making noise. I dont know why people can never respect someone's opinion. If given the opportunity, the people condemning him must have fled since

africandollar:

There's a difference between speaking in faith that you're a billionaire and the time phase it takes for it to materialize, what he just did there is to speak it in faith...the pastor of billionaires can only be a billiionaire. Please show me his assets that add up to him being a billionaire then I would agree.

Again, the man's net worth is stated to be at about $50 million dollars yet you still dey yarn this?

You know what, go take up that discussion of yours with Forbes magazine abeg!

Mynd44:
Previous threads: https://www.nairaland.com/6548177/insecurity-nigeria-plan-b-pastor

https://www.nairaland.com/6548304/insecurity-yul-edochie-reveals-plan

https://www.nairaland.com/6548689/daddy-freeze-save-tithe-fund

https://twitter.com/chikaunigwe/status/1395344223847817216

Your write-up is out of context, nothing is absolutely wrong in advising plan B.

duni04:

We are the light of the world. We are agents of change! We are mandated as christians to let our light shine before men. That is what it means to be an agent of change! Yes our kingdom is not this one but the one after this one. It doesn't mean we are to sit down and do nothing. We are supossed to go into the world and shine the light of Christ.

1. We are light of the world but that light is no agent of change to the world... think more along the lines of beacons in a dark world.

2. We are mandated to let our light shine but we are not called in anyway or form to change the world but to do the Will of God, as God commands it.

3. Do not confuse shining the light of Jesus Christ with the idea of changing the world. That is where many a Christian falls into the trap of continuing to live for self pretending that by doing so they live for God. God never asked men to build for themselves kingdoms here on earth in His Name. Those who do so are no different from those in the world... the Jesus Christ kind of light is not the same as the world's kind of Light.

@martyns303
the writer said the idea of people “checking out” is not new, and mentioned a 80s advert, if the idea of leaving is not new, why criticize the pastor for saying something everyone else already knows?

The writer said, the pastor is having a privileged mentality, at the same time, he said even unprivileged people are either leaving or plan on leaving if u should check Twitter.

At the end of the day, let everybody do what works for them.


@me
I fully support the writer. If Pst Adefarasin belonged to another vocation other than pastor I will not have issues with his plan B advice. But he is a pastor. A man that people run to when they are hopeless.

As a notable pastor his words are weighty. A single word that comes out of his mouth can make someone you had planned suicide to drop it.

By the grace of God I'm a pastor in one of the large churches around. At the heat of the pandemic in 2020 we were warned that our messages should be focused on hope and salvation.

Recently the Holy Spirit has been directing me along the same line because of the despair in the land. I'm presently running a series on GOD KNOWS - when, how, why, don't quit.

This is what is expected of us. Of course what will you expect from a feel-good pastor.