So it was recorded in the Bible's book of Genesis that God created the sun and the moon in the fourth day; how then is the writer manage to count the days when its the suns set & risen that determines day?

3 And God said: “Let there be light.” Then there was light. 4 After that God saw that the light was good, and God began to divide the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, a first day.

RuMiRgO1stSon:
So it was recorded in the Bible's book of Genesis that God created the sun and the moon in the fourth day; how then is the writer manage to count the days when its the suns set & risen that determines day?

Forgive my confusion here , but are you somehow suggesting that the writer got the order wrong because he didnt write that God first made the sun before the light?

foreverme1225:
3 And God said: “Let there be light.” Then there was light. 4 After that God saw that the light was good, and God began to divide the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, a first day.
How old are you?

Another new set of "Never knows" have come

foreverme1225:
3 And God said: “Let there be light.” Then there was light. 4 After that God saw that the light was good, and God began to divide the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, a first day.
How old are you?

I think you are the person who doesn’t get op’s point.

What light was the Bible talking about here?

Kobojunkie:
Forgive my confusion here , but are you somehow suggesting that the writer got the order wrong because he didnt write that God first made the sun before the light?

Yes of course, without the sun you can't know when its day or night.

foreverme1225:
3 And God said: “Let there be light.” Then there was light. 4 After that God saw that the light was good, and God began to divide the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, a first day.

what light is it that was created on the first day? Was it a kind of site lighting?

RuMiRgO1stSon:

Yes of course, without the sun you can't know when its day or night.

ROFLMAO

What you have just said sounds like what I would expect from my 6-year old nephew.

So, why can't light exist independent of the sun?

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO

What you have just said sounds like what I would expect from my 6-year old nephew.

So, why can't light exist independent of the sun?

What light is that?

RuMiRgO1stSon:

What light is that?

We are talking of what took place before all what you know and see today came go be...how am I to know the answer to that question...

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO

What you have just said sounds like what I would expect from my 6-year old nephew.

So, why can't light exist independent of the sun?

What light is that?
Even the 6yrs old nephew of yours I suppose know that the sun is our major source of light on earth & stars which were all created on the fourth day of creation

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO

What you have just said sounds like what I would expect from my 6-year old nephew.

So, why can't light exist independent of the sun?

Sorry but I think you are the person who dont get the basics of stellar light production. I’m sorry if this is derogatory but I don’t know how else to say it.

The only sources of light in the universe are from stars and hawking’s radiations from blackholes, however we cannot possibly see light sources from the closest blackholes emitting hawkings radiation with our naked eyes from earth, you need sophisticated equipments to detect that.
The primary source of light in the solar system is from the star called “the sun”, the closest star to solar system is the Proxima Centauri and it takes about 4.2years for a light photon to travel from Proxima Centauri to earth. That’s how far it is.

I think you should go through what I just explained and study a bit of astronomy , then you will see how illogical it is to say that light could exist in the solar system without the sun.

Aside what I explained, it impossible to determine a day passing on earth without the sun. It’s basic science. The earth orbits the sun and the sun is responsible for putting the sun in orbit, it’s logically impossible for any life to exist without the sun putting the earth in orbit, it’s the basis for life on earth.

The notion that four days passed with life without the sun is laughable and highly irrational in the scientific world. Days and nights cannot happen without a planet orbiting a star ( in this case the sun).

Workch:
Sorry but I think you are the person who doesn’t get the basics of stellar light production. I’m sorry if this is derogatory but I don’t know how else to say it.

The only sources of light in the universe are from stars and hawking’s radiations from blackholes, however we cannot possibly see light sources from the closest blackholes emitting hawkings radiation with our naked eyes from earth, you need sophisticated equipments to detect that.
The primary source of light in the solar system is from the star called “the sun”, the closest star to solar system is the Proxima Centauri and it takes about 4.2years for a light photon to travel from Proxima Centauri to earth. That’s how far it is.

I think you should go through what I just explained and study a bit of astronomy , then you will see how illogical it is to say that light could exist in the solar system without the sun.

Aside what I explained, it impossible to determine a day passing on earth without the sun. It’s basic science. The earth orbits the sun and the sun is responsible for putting the sun in orbit, it’s logically impossible for any life to exist without the sun putting the earth in orbit, it’s the basis for life on earth.

The notion that four days passed with life without the sun is laughable and highly irrational in the scientific world. Days and nights cannot happen without a planet orbiting a star ( in this case the sun).

I am afraid you are the one who is mistaken...the writer informs you that your stellar light production system which you know of today was not created until the 4th day. So what part of that do you not get?

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO

What you have just said sounds like what I would expect from my 6-year old nephew.

So, why can't light exist independent of the sun?

Your argument was that light can exist on earth outside Of the sun during creation.
That’s not logical sir

Workch:
Your argument was that light can exist on earth outside Of the sun during creation.
That’s not logical sir

Yet again you are mistaken.... we are told that what we know and accept as logical today did not come into existence until after the 4th day. I have not attempted to arguement against or for it but simply seen fit to accept the writer's claim as is since there is no way to prove otherwise.

Kobojunkie:
We are talking of what took place before all what you know and see today came go be...how am I to know the answer to that question...

You suppose to know, because you can't just laugh off your 6yrs old nephews question without you given him an answer.

Kobojunkie:
Yet again you are mistaken.... we are told that what we know and accept as logical today did not come into existence until after the 4th day. I have not attempted to arguement against or for it but simply seen fit to accept the writer's claim as is since there is no way to prove otherwise.

So what's your stand on passing of the day without sun in the first third days of creation

RuMiRgO1stSon:

You suppose to know, because you can't just laugh off your 6yrs old nephews question without you given him an answer.

Oh I can and I do because it is the creation story written of in the book of Genesis where we are not given an explanation but instead told of what supposedly happened before what we know of today.

RuMiRgO1stSon:

So what's your stand on passing of the day without sun in the first third days of creation

The story is as it is told us.

I didn't see any of what the 2writer saw as to provide you an alternative narrative.

Kobojunkie:
Yet again you are mistaken.... we are told that what we know and accept as logical today did not come into existence until after the 4th day. I have not attempted to arguement against or for it but simply seen fit to accept the writer's claim as is since there is no way to prove otherwise.

We have seen stars form, thanks to the Hubble’s space telescope.
It’s impossible for a planet to orbit or form without its star.
It’s also very impossible for anything to survive on earth without the sun energy supply and balance in gravitational forces and centrifugal force of a spinning earth.

Aside that, radiometric dating of radioactivity elements shows that the sun is at least 100million years older than earth.

Above all, it’s even very illogical to think that plants can even survive without the sun. It doesn’t make sense to think that plants existed before the sun.

We have loads and loads of evidence to show that genesis chapter 1 is simply a laughable story.

Workch:
We have seen stars form, thanks to the Hubble’s space telescope.
It’s impossible for a planet to orbit or form without its star.
It’s also very impossible for anything to survive on earth without the sun energy supply and balance in gravitational forces and centrifugal force of a spinning earth.

Aside that, radiometric dating of radioactivity elements shows that the sun is at least 100million years older than earth.

Above all, it’s even very illogical to think that plants can even survive without the sun. It doesn’t make sense to think that plants existed before the sun.

We have loads and loads of evidence to show that genesis chapter 1 is simply a laughable story.

Again, none of this matters to this topic. This is simple enough. The writer informed you that the systems you are aware of today and consider logical did not come into existence until after the 4th day. Attempting to counter his claim using that which you know of today is meaningless.

Kobojunkie:
Again, none of this matters to this topic. This is simple enough. The writer informed you that the systems you are aware of today and consider logical did not come into existence until after the 4th day. Attempting to counter his claim using that which you know of today is meaningless.

He didn’t say that, the Bible said that and he pointed to the error.

Did you carefully understand his premise of argument?

Workch:
He didn’t say that, the Bible said that and he pointed to the error.

Did you carefully understand his premise of argument?

Did the writer of the book of genesis not indicate that the lights in the sky(sun, moon and stars) were assigned as sources to separate the light from the nights respectively on the 4th day -Genesis 1 vs 14 ?

Is the OP not attempting to argue that what is stated in Genesis 1 vs 14 a blunder given that day and night had already been previously established in Genesis 1 vs 3- 5, this days before the 4th day?

Kobojunkie:
Did the writer of the book of genesis not indicate that the lights in the sky(sun, moon and stars) were assigned as sources to separate the light from the nights respectively on the 4th day -Genesis 1 vs 14 ?

Is the OP not attempting to argue that what is stated in Genesis 1 vs 14 a blunder given that day and night had already been previously established in Genesis 1 vs 3- 5, this days before the 4th day?

So what light was the Bible talking about on the first day and what was separated?

The Bible also committed a blinder in terms separation of lights for the and night. Both lifts are from one source.

Workch:
So what light was the Bible talking about on the first day and what was separated?

The Bible also committed a blinder in terms separation of lights for the and night. Both lifts are from one source.

I didnt write Genesis 1 vs 1-14,so I can't provide you the answers you think you seek since I wasn't there to witness the events in question. If you want to believe the writer indeed made a blunder, please go on with that.

Workch:
We have seen stars form, thanks to the Hubble’s space telescope.
It’s impossible for a planet to orbit or form without its star.
It’s also very impossible for anything to survive on earth without the sun energy supply and balance in gravitational forces and centrifugal force of a spinning earth.

Aside that, radiometric dating of radioactivity elements shows that the sun is at least 100million years older than earth.

Above all, it’s even very illogical to think that plants can even survive without the sun. It doesn’t make sense to think that plants existed before the sun.

We have loads and loads of evidence to show that genesis chapter 1 is simply a laughable story.

Thanks chief.

Kobojunkie:
I didnt write Genesis 1 vs 1-14,so I can't provide you the answers you think you seek since I wasn't there to witness the events in question. If you want to believe the writer indeed made a blunder, please go on with that.

So why arguing then?

RuMiRgO1stSon:

So why arguing then?

Me? Argue this?

Kobojunkie:
I didnt write Genesis 1 vs 1-14,so I can't provide you the answers you think you seek since I wasn't there to witness the events in question. If you want to believe the writer indeed made a blunder, please go on with that.

So what point have you been trying to make?
Why all the argument?

Workch:
So what point have you been trying to make?
Why all the argument?

Where do you get this idea that I have been trying to argue anything when I told you clearly told you, in several ways mind you, that this is an exercise in meaninglessness?

Kobojunkie:
Where do you get this idea that I have been trying to argue anything when I told you clearly told you, in several ways mind you, that this is an exercise in meaninglessness?

ok

RuMiRgO1stSon:

What light is that?
Even the 6yrs old nephew of yours I suppose know that the sun is our major source of light on earth & stars which were all created on the fourth day of creation

The sun is not the Source of all light for why do you see at night, when Nepa has taken the light and the torch, (the sun) is on the other side of the world?

Think and remember light rays move in straight lines!

And if you been in cave or in a house in a bush,you would know that there is Another light apart from the sun.