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Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by Kobojunkie: 4:40pm On Aug 17, 2021 |
capnies:Now, let's also examine Psalm 110 in context. 1. The Lord said to my lord, “Sit at my right side, while I put your enemies under your control.”**** again, context is Key in understanding the message of the writer here. Clearly in Psalm 110, David draws a relationship between The Lord and my Lord whereas, in Psalm 16, David wrote about the relationship between his person, and His Lord. So, what connection do you seek to establish between these two Psalms? |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by Kobojunkie: 5:38pm On Aug 17, 2021 |
capnies:David wrote, this in Psalm 110 about God- The Lord- asking the one who he, David, referred to as my Lord to sit at His, God's, right hand. And then later on in the same chapter, David wrote of what the one he, David, referred to as my Lord was to accomplish. What has that to do with Psalm 16? See how easy it is for me to answer your question with the unnecessary dribbling. |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by Kobojunkie: 5:46pm On Aug 17, 2021 |
capnies:Peter clearly tells you in both Acts 2 vs 24-25 and Acts 2 vs 29 that the one he quoted in the passage was David. Did you not read it for yourself ? |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by Kobojunkie: 5:56pm On Aug 17, 2021 |
capnies:3. According to Peter's account of events which you referenced earlier, Jesus Christ went down to the spirits chained during the time of Noah - and not after that. Is this what you meant when you said Jesus descended down to Hell ? 17 It is better to suffer for doing good than for doing wrong. Yes, it is better if that is what God wants. |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by oaroloye(m): 5:38am On Aug 18, 2021 |
SHALOM! capnies: EZEKIEL WAS ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST DEATH. . REVELATION 2:8-11. 8. "And unto the Angel of the Church in Smyrna write; 'THESE THINGS SAITH THE FIRST AND THE LAST, WHICH WAS DEAD, AND IS ALIVE; 9. 'I KNOW THY WORKS, AND TRIBULATION, AND POVERTY, [BUT THOU ART RICH] AND I KNOW THE BLASPHEMY OF THEM WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN. 10. 'FEAR NONE OF THOSE THINGS WHICH THOU SHALT SUFFER: BEHOLD, THE DEVIL SHALL CAST SOME OF YOU INTO PRISON, THAT YE MAY BE TRIED; AND YE SHALL HAVE TRIBULATION TEN DAYS: BE THOU FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH, AND I WILL GIVE THEE A CROWN OF LIFE.' 11. "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit Saith unto The Churches; 'HE THAT OVERCOMETH SHALL NOT BE HURT OF THE SECOND DEATH.' The Book of Revelation is riddled with lies that make It impossible to understand. .. MATTHEW 5:16-20. 16. "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your Good Works, and glorify your Father Which is in Heaven. 17. "Think not that I am come to destroy The Law, or The Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18. "For verily I Say unto you, 'TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, ONE JOT OR ONE TITTLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.' 19. "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least Commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in The Kingdom of Heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in The Kingdom of Heaven. 20. "For I Say unto you, 'THAT EXCEPT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES, YE SHALL IN NO CASE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.' " . MATTHEW 28:16-20. 16. Then the Eleven Disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17. And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18. And Jesus came and Spake unto them, Saying, "All Power is given unto me in Heaven and in Earth. 19. "Go ye therefore, and Teach all Nations, baptizing them in The Name of the Father, and of The Son, and of The Holy Ghost: 20. "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have Commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto The End of The World." Amen. . JOHN 21:25. 25. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the World itself could not contain the Books that should be written. Amen. LORD YESHUA NEVER AUTHORIZED HIS DISCIPLES TO FORBID CIRCUMCISION, NOR THE LAW OF MOSES.[/i] YOCHANNAN and his colleagues did exactly that. . ACTS 15:1-31. AND certain men which came down from Judaea taught the Brethren, and said, [i]“EXCEPT YE BE CIRCUMCISED AFTER THE MANNER OF MOSES, YE CANNOT BE SAVED.” 2. When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the Apostles and Elders about this question. 3. And being brought on their way by the Church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the Conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the Brethren. 4. And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the Church, and of the Apostles and Elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. 5. But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which Believed, saying, "THAT IT WAS NEEDFUL TO CIRCUMCISE THEM, AND TO COMMAND THEM TO KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES." 6. And the Apostles and Elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, “Men and Brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the Word of The Gospel, and Believe. 8. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them The Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9. “And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by Faith. 10. "Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the Disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11. “But we believe that through The Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be Saved, even as they.” 12. Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. 13. And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, "Men and Brethren, hearken unto me: 14. "Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for His Name. 15." And to this agree The Words of the Prophets; as it is written, 16. 'AFTER THIS I WILL RETURN, AND WILL BUILD AGAIN THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID, WHICH IS FALLEN DOWN; AND I WILL BUILD AGAIN THE RUINS THEREOF, AND I WILL SET IT UP: 17. 'THAT THE RESIDUE OF MEN MIGHT SEEK AFTER THE LORD, AND ALL THE GENTILES, UPON WHOM MY NAME IS CALLED, SAITH THE LORD, WHO DOETH ALL THESE THINGS.' 18. "Known unto God are all His Works from The Beginning of the World. 19. "Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20. "But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 21. "For Moses of Old Time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath Day." 22. Then pleased it the Apostles and Elders with the whole Church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the Brethren: 23. And they wrote letters by them after this manner; “THE APOSTLES AND ELDERS AND BRETHREN SEND GREETING UNTO THE BRETHREN WHICH ARE OF THE GENTILES IN ANTIOCH AND SYRIA AND CILICIA. 24. “FORASMUCH AS WE HAVE HEARD, THAT CERTAIN WHICH WENT OUT FROM US HAVE TROUBLED YOU WITH WORDS, SUBVERTING YOUR SOULS, SAYING, [b]'YE MUST BE CIRCUMCISED, AND KEEP THE LAW:' TO WHOM WE GAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENT: 25. “IT SEEMED GOOD UNTO US, BEING ASSEMBLED WITH ONE ACCORD, TO SEND CHOSEN MEN UNTO YOU WITH OUR BELOVED BARNABAS AND PAUL, 26. “MEN THAT HAVE HAZARDED THEIR LIVES FOR THE NAME OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. 27. “WE HAVE SENT THEREFORE JUDAS AND SILAS, WHO SHALL ALSO TELL YOU THE SAME THINGS BY MOUTH. 28. “FOR IT SEEMED GOOD TO THE HOLY GHOST, AND TO US, TO LAY UPON YOU NO GREATER BURDEN THAN THESE NECESSARY THINGS; 29. 'THAT YE ABSTAIN FROM MEATS OFFERED TO IDOLS, AND FROM BLOOD, AND FROM THINGS STRANGLED, AND FROM FORNICATION: FROM WHICH IF YE KEEP YOURSELVES, YE SHALL DO WELL. FARE YE WELL.' ” 30. So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the Epistle: 31. Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation. THE HEBREW CHRISTIANS CONSPIRED TO DESTROY THE GENTILE CHRISTIANS- THOSE WHO TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF CIRCUMCISION, THE LAW OF MOSES, AND LORD YESHUA'S ORIGINAL TEACHINGS, OBVIOUSLY DIED IN THE FIRST PERSECUTION BY PAUL. The "Apostles" were clearly spared, only because they cooperated with The Sanhedrin. . GENESIS 17:1-14. AND when Abram was ninety years old and nine, The LORD appeared to Abram, and Said unto him, "I am The Almighty God; walk before Me, and be thou perfect. 2. "And I will make My Covenant between Me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly." 3. And Abram fell on his face: and God Talked with him, Saying, 4. "As for Me, behold, My Covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a Father of many Nations. 5. "Neither shall thy name any more be called "Abram," but thy name shall be "Abraham;" for a father of many nations have I made thee. 6. "And I will make thee Exceeding Fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. 7. "And I will establish My Covenant between Me and thee and thy seed after thee in their Generations for an Everlasting Covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8. "And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an Everlasting Possession; and I will be their God." 9. And God Said unto Abraham, "Thou shalt keep My Covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their Generations. 10. "This is My Covenant, Which ye shall keep, between Me and you and thy seed after thee; 'EVERY MAN CHILD AMONG YOU SHALL BE CIRCUMCISED.' 11. "And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a Token of The Covenant betwixt me and you. 12. "And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your Generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. 13. "He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and My Covenant shall be in your flesh for an Everlasting Covenant. 14. "And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken My Covenant." THE SURVIVING HEBREW CHRISTIANS HAD NO WAY TO KNOW THAT THEIR APOSTOLIC MASTERS WERE BETRAYING THEM, JUST AS THEY HAD BETRAYED THE GENTILES The Book of Revelation is not reliable. . MATTHEW 10:21-24. 21. "And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to Death. 22. "And ye shall be hated of all men for my Name's sake: but he that endureth to The End shall be Saved. 23. "But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I Say unto you, 'YE SHALL NOT HAVE GONE OVER THE CITIES OF ISRAEL, TILL THE SON OF MAN BE COME.' 24. "The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord." THE CHRISTIANS WERE CLEARLY NOT BEING TOLD THAT THEY HAD THE RIGHT AND DUTY TO FLEE FROM PERSECUTION. They were being betrayed, even as they betrayed. capnies: YOCHANNAN LIED ABOUT THE SECOND DEATH- BECAUSE LORD YESHUA SURELY TOLD HIS DISCIPLES ABOUT IT. He has misdirected The Church for 2,000 years, by making us look for a stupid "LAKE," that ONLY HE said existed. When any creature is born, It is imprinted with a copy of the Commands of The Creator to their kind, connected with a stream of packets of Life Energy from the Heavenly Realms, that keeps It alive, by bombarding Its Soul Body. The health of the Soul Body depends upon the efficiency with which It uses that Spiritual Energy. If this is less than UNITY, the Soul Body loses its vibrancy and resilience, and becomes rigid and brittle. Eventually, It cracks open at the impact point, and disgorges Its contents- which is "FIRST DEATH." The Life Energy feed manifests an Accountant-Entity, that requires a complete copy of the creature's memory of how that Life Energy was used, every moment of It's life. If It is unable to do so in a speedy fashion, the Accountant loses patience, and cuts into the Soul Body, to extract the data by Brute Force. This critically damages the Soul Body, so that It is unable to deploy It's AfterLife Body. Spirit Being Scavengers descend upon It, and tear It apart, in the process of extracting Its last Life Energies- a thing they must do to survive, because they have had to seal their own Soul Bodies against the free influx of Life Energy, lest It destroy them. THIS IS THE TRUE AND IMMEDIATE SECOND DEATH THAT WE HAVE TO FEAR. [See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985).] None of the Disciples wanted us to know about this. Most creatures that die are destroyed like this. THE ONLY WAY TO AVOID THIS FATE IS TO ACHIEVE TOTAL RECALL, SOME TIME BEFORE ONE DIES. The sooner the better. This is accomplished within a year of tedious effort. A Hebrew Y'sraelite is supposed to be dedicated to God by age 13 (Bar/Bat Mitzvah,) and spend the next seven years acquiring the seven Spirits of God. TOTAL RECALL should precede the acquisition of the First Spirit of God. If such a person dies, the Accountant-Entity does not damage their Soul Body, but departs, satisfied. Before the Scavengers can attack, that person's Soul Body extracts the Life Energies from every cell, and creates a Spirit Energy Body, capable of housing It's Mind, Memory, and Personality. This Spirit Body is able to go to Heaven, to Paradise, or to Hell- depending on how It spend Its life on Earth. XXXXTENTACION: IF IT WERE ME, I WOULD COMMAND THE TRAIN TO HALT IN LORD YESHUA'S NAME: NO ONE WOULD DIE. If I were a powerless, I would continue the journey as agreed by my employer. Any Deaths are his responsibility, not mine. "Morals" are Unbeliever vain bullshit. shadeyinka2: THERE ARE MANY "PERFECT" PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, WHO GO TO HEAVEN ANY TIME THEY WANT- AND RETURN TO EARTH What a pity they don't check with YOU, first! shadeyinka2: WHO THE Bleep TOLD YOU THAT BULLSHIT? LORD YESHUA, OR THE PEOPLE WHO BETRAYED HIM TO DIE? The story-story of him being a Sacrifice was an AFTERTHOUGHT- there is NO EVIDENCE that he ever told anyone any such thing. shadeyinka2: This is Oyinbo Self-Serving Rhetoric. Cart-before-the-Horse reasoning! First they exalt themselves to claim being Children of God, then, when they Don't, they say that THAT PROVES THAT CHILDREN OF GOD CAN STILL SIN! There are SIX LEVELS OF SPIRITUALITY: 4. FATHERS. 3. YOUNG MEN. 2. LITTLE CHILDREN. 1. BABES-IN-CHRIST. 0. CARNAL BRETHREN. -1. NATURAL MEN. This should be well-known. [See: GROWING-UP SPIRITUALLY, by Kenneth E. Hagin (1976).] However, the Oyinbos (who trained you,) have corrupted the Doctrine with their personal Hypocrisy. (-1) THE NATURAL MEN. . 1st CORINTHIANS 2:14. 14. But the Natural Man receiveth not the Things of The Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know (them), because they are spiritually discerned. THOSE WITH NO SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE NOR POWER WHATSOEVER ATHEISTS AND UNBELIEVERS. (0) THE CARNAL BRETHREN. . 1st CORINTHIANS 3:1-5. AND I, Brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto Babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with Milk, and not with Meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you Envying, and Strife, and Divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4. For while one saith, "I AM OF PAUL;" and another, "I AM OF APOLLOS;" are ye not carnal? 5. Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? (1) BABES-IN-CHRIST. . JOHN 8:31-32. 31. Then Said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, "If ye continue in my Word, then are ye my Disciples indeed; 32. "And ye shall know The Truth, and The Truth shall make you Free." BABES-IN-CHRIST ARE CHILDREN OF GOD WHO WILL NEVER SIN AGAIN, BUT WHO DO NOT YET KNOW THE TRUTH. (2) THE LITTLE CHILDREN. True Children of God, who can never possibly Sin again- because they Know The Truth and Lord Yeshua. |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:20am On Aug 18, 2021 |
capnies: Ehen, so it is settled. |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:18am On Aug 18, 2021 |
XXXXTENTACION: C'mon man do not be deficient of knowing and bring insult to yourself. Can I not make another Washing Machine to be Useful to me after I destroyed that stupid washing machine? XXXXTENTACION: That is why we have Capital Offences and Unforgivable Crimes. There is No Forgiveness there. Everyone knows not to go there exactly as sleeping with your father's wife or burning down his only house and you expect that you will be forgiven. Everyone in the world including the ants will call you a Fool! |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:53am On Aug 18, 2021 |
XXXXTENTACION: Have you not been reading how a certain person did yahoo-yahoo for $6000 dollars yet he is committed more than 3 offences? So also with Adam and Eve, the only ate the fruit as you see but they committed many many offences. Count 1 That You Mrs Eve-Adam, on the ... Day at .... 00hrs, Did Eat the Fruit of knowledge of good and evil, thereby Committing An Offence Contrary To Commandment No.1 of The Laws of God, Within The Jurisdiction of The Most High! Count 2 That You Mrs Eve-Adam, on the ... Day at .... 00hrs, Counseled and Procured thy husband Mr Adam to Eat the Fruit of knowledge of good and evil, thereby Causing him to Commit An Offence Contrary To Commandment No.1 of The Laws of God, Within The Jurisdiction of The Most High! Count 3 That You Mrs Eve-Adam, on the ... Day at .... 00hrs, Did Give to thy husband, Mr Adam, the Fruit of knowledge of good and evil, to eat of it, thereby Causing him to Commit An Offence Contrary To Commandment No. 1 of The Laws of God, Within The Jurisdiction of The Most High Count 4 That You Mrs Eve-Adam, on the ... Day at .... 00hrs, Did Knowingly Breach the Trust of The Lord by Knowingly Eating the Fruit of knowledge of good and evil, in Breach and vBreak of the Trust God Placed in you, thereby Giving Personal Offence to The Lord God, Contrary To The Laws of Trusts, Within The Jurisdiction of The Most High! (TRUST BREAKER) Count 5 That You Mrs Eve-Adam, on the ... Day at .... 00hrs, Knowingly Breached the Agreement between yourself and The Lord God To Refrain from Eating the Fruit of knowledge of good and evil,Which You did Knowingly Eat thereof, thereby breaching and Breaking the Agreement which you Hold with The Lord God thereby Giving Personal Offence to The Lord God, Contrary To The Laws of Contract, Within The Jurisdiction of The Most High! (COVENANT BREAKER) Cont'd! https://www.nairaland.com/6319053/when-eve-charged-court-charges#97161190 |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by capnies: 12:19pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
[quote author=Kobojunkie post=104898237] David wrote, this in Psalm 110 about God- The Lord- asking the one who he, David, referred to as my Lord to sit at His, God's, right hand. And then later on in the same chapter, David wrote of what the one he, David, referred to as my Lord was to accomplish. What has that to do with Psalm 16? See how easy it is for me to answer your question with the unnecessary dribbling. Let me explain anytime you see LORD in capital letters in the BIBLE it refers to YAHWEH or JEHOVA but lord is talking about smaller personalities like JESUS. Now what David said there is JEHOVA said to JESUS sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool Read Matt 22:43-44 you will see that Same verse quoted telling us that David in spirit spoke about JESUS. It is the same with Psalm 16:10 |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by Kobojunkie: 1:38pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
capnies:Learn to respond to the actual question asked you.... David wrote, this in Psalm 110 about God- The Lord- asking the one who he, David, referred to as my Lord to sit at His, God's, right hand. And then later on in the same chapter, David wrote of what the one he, David, referred to as my Lord was to accomplish. What has that to do with Psalm 16? If you have lost the train of this discussion, go back through your own posts to find it again. You claimed that Jesus Christ went to Hell suggesting that He, Jesus Christ, had to beg God to save Him from Hell. And you suggested that David is the one who wrote of Jesus Christ being in Hell and needing saving from Hell. |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by capnies: 1:40pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: YES MY.BROTHER THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by capnies: 1:57pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: PETER SAID DAVID SPOKE ABOUT JESUS READ MATTHEW 22:43-44 THAT WILL PUT YOU STRAIGHT He said to them, “How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says, 44 “‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”’ NIV He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,” The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?”KJV HERE JESUS WAS TALKING, ASKING THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS WHY DID DAVID IN THE SPIRIT CALL HIM(JESUS) LORD |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by Kobojunkie: 1:59pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
capnies:So that verse is taken from Psalm 110 which we already know was David speaking of the relationship between The Lord and my Lord. So, how does this Psalm 110 relate to what is written in Psalm 16? Recall this has to do with you claims about Hell and Jesus Christ. |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by capnies: 2:29pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: I JUST USED THAT TO SHOW YOU THAT MOST OF DAVID'S WRITE UPs WHERE PROPHECIES INFACT THE WHOLE OF PSALM 16 WAS TALKING ABOUT JESUS JUST READ PETERS SPEECH IN ACTS 2 ACTS 2 FROM 25-28 KJV For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. PETER WAS TALKING ABOUT JESUS AND HE SAID FOR DAVID SPOKE CONCERNING HIM(JESUS) AND QUOTED WHAT DAVID SAID CONCERNING JESUS WHICH IS PSALM 16:10 See brother I cannot come here to say what I don't know because I expect GOD to judge every of my actions. I urge you to please reread the BIBLE with open mind with the intent to see new things and I know GOD will grant you your desires. I personally I know nothing about the BIBLE |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by Kobojunkie: 2:35pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
capnies:1. Wrong! Most of David's write ups were not prophecies but instead of happenings in his life and time. the bulk of the Psalms are known as prayers that David made to God during his struggles. 2. Psalm 16 vs 1 - 4, spoke more or David's assessment of his relationship to God compared to that of others who he described as idol worshipers. So again, what is it that you say David said of Jesus Christ in Psalm 16? |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by capnies: 3:14pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
[quote author=capnies post=104926192] I JUST USED THAT TO SHOW YOU THAT MOST OF DAVID'S WRITE UPs WHERE PROPHECIES INFACT THE WHOLE OF PSALM 16 WAS TALKING ABOUT JESUS JUST READ PETERS SPEECH IN ACTS 2 ACTS 2 FROM 25-28 KJV For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. PETER WAS TALKING ABOUT JESUS AND HE SAID FOR DAVID SPOKE CONCERNING HIM(JESUS) AND QUOTED WHAT DAVID SAID CONCERNING JESUS WHICH IS PSALM 16:10 See brother I cannot come here to say what I don't know because I expect GOD to judge every of my actions. I urge you to please reread the BIBLE with open mind with the intent to see new things and I know GOD will grant you your desires. I personally I know nothing about the BIBLE, but am the last person to swallow whatever anybody preaches from the pulpit. Don't expect the GOs to preach the truth. Paul told us that the Berean Christians were more noble than those in Thessalonica in that after hearing the word the still went back to research if what they were thought was true. But today you even hear Christians say according to our daddy. I divide every word you say |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by Kobojunkie: 3:26pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
capnies:1. Peter did not say that David referred to Jesus Christ only in Psalm 16 vs 10...you did. 2. Peter did not say that David spoke of Jesus Christ being in Hell and begging God to free Him from Hell .. you said that. Leave Peter and Paul out of this and answer the question. 3. A careful study of the entire chapter reveals that David, in Psalm 16, clearly spoke of himself, even in Psalm 16 vs 10, needing saving from the grave, but you instead claim it was Jesus Christ that needed saving from the grave and I ask you why or how you made that leap. |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by capnies: 3:52pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: REMEMBER THAT THIS WAS THE PENTECOST SPEECH BY PETER TALKING ABOUT JESUS, TELLING THEM THAT THE WRONGLY KILLED JESUS, AND REMINDED THEM THAT IT WAS THE SAME JESUS THAT DAVID SPOKE ABOUT IN PSALM. 16 OF WHICH VERSE 10 I QUOTED TELLING THEM THAT JESUS HAS RESURRECTED BECAUSE DAVID HAD ALREADY SPOKEN ABOUT HIM ...THOU WILL NOT LEAVE MY SOUL IN HELL NOR LET YOUR HOLY ONE SEE DECAY |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by Kobojunkie: 3:54pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
capnies:Stop running away from the questions... So why do you insinuate that the passage is about Jesus Christ begging God not to let Him perish in the grave? Do you even begin to realize the ramifications of the claim you made there of God's Law, Jesus Christ, begging to be raised from the dead? |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by capnies: 4:12pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
[quote author=Kobojunkie post=104928822] Stop running away from the questions... So why do you insinuate that the passage is about Jesus Christ begging God not to let Him perish in the grave? Do you even begin to realize the ramifications of the claim you made there of God's Law, Jesus Christ, begging to be raised from the dead? :- YOU KNOW YOU WILL NOT LIVE MY SOUL IN HELL NEITHER ALLOW MY BODY TO DECAY WHAT DOES IT MEAN. JESUS WAS DEAD AND HE KNOWS THAT ONLY YAHWEH CAN RAISE HIM FROM THE DEAD SO HE REMINDED GOD IN ADVANCE: YOU KNOW AM HOLY DON'T LEAVE ME IN THE GRAVE DON'T ALLOW MY BODY TO DECAY. IF YOU ARE NOT SEEING THE TRUTH THEN THERE IS NO POINT TALKING WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU EVEN QUOTED WHERE PETER SAID DAVID SPOKE THESE ABOUT JESUS AND PETER QUOTED IT IN VERSES 26,27 N 28 EVEN PAUL ALSO QUOTED THE SAME VERSE IN ACTS 13:33-38 SPEAKING ABOUT JESUS PAUL SAID THAT DAVID WAS SPEAKING ABOUT JESUS BECAUSE DAVID DIED AND SAW DECAY BUT JESUS DIED AND NEVER SAW DECAY BECAUSE GOD RESURRECTED HIM. ACTS 13:33-38 NIV he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus.(A) As it is written in the second Psalm: “‘You are my son; today I have become your father.’ 34 God raised him from the dead so that he will never be subject to decay. As God has said, “‘I will give you the holy and sure blessings promised to David.’ 35 So it is also stated elsewhere: “‘You will not let your holy one see decay.’ 36 “Now when David had served God’s purpose in his own generation, he fell asleep;(E) he was buried with his ancestors(F) and his body decayed. 37 But the one whom God raised from the dead(G) did not see decay. 38 “Therefore, my friends, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you.(H) KJV their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. 35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: 37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption. 38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by Kobojunkie: 4:24pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
capnies:Stop trying to drag Peter's name down into this. What Peter said in Acts 2 vs 24 - 29 is not what you are saying here at all for Peter instead meant that David called on Jesus Christ to save his, David's soul, from Hell. He, Peter, even repeated that it was David that made the statement. But here you are instead telling us that Jesus Christ, the one who is Eternal life Himself, had to beg God to save His own soul from the grave? So all that power and might, He could not save His own self from Hell. Of what use is He then as a saviour ? You even go as far as to insinuate that Jesus Christ declared to God that He is God's Holy one and so His body is to be saved from DECAY as a result. |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by capnies: 5:00pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: You know absolutely nothing about the BIBLE or you're just trying to Dodge the truth. Has DAVID not decayed did Jesus decay I ask you did Jesus decay read Acts 13:33-38 hear Paul quoted the same scripture telling the Jews that David decayed but JESUS never decayed because the scripture was referring to JESUS DAVID MADE THE STATEMENT ABOUT WHO BECAUSE DAVID DIED AND DECAYED ONLY JESUS DIED AND DID NOT DECAY |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by Kobojunkie: 5:04pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
capnies:Again.... Stop trying to drag Peter's name down into this. What Peter said in Acts 2 vs 24 - 29 is not what you are saying here at all for Peter instead meant that David called on Jesus Christ to save his, David's soul, from Hell. He, Peter, even repeated that it was David that made the statement. But here you are instead telling us that Jesus Christ, the one who is Eternal life Himself, had to beg God to save His own soul from the grave? So all that power and might, He could not save His own self from Hell. Of what use is He then as a saviour ? You even go as far as to insinuate that Jesus Christ declared to God that He is God's Holy one and so His body is to be saved from DECAY as a result. |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by capnies: 5:12pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Its like you've reached your elastic limit because you have nothing to say. What does peter said it was David that said it are you learning to read. Peter said David said this concerning Jesus, Peter said David said this concerning Jesus that is what peter said DAVID SPOKE THIS CONCERNING JESUS THAT IS WHAT PETER SAID. DAVID SPOKE THIS CONCERNING JESUS THAT IS WHAT PETER SAID |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by Kobojunkie: 5:15pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
capnies:Stop running from answering answering questions ... But here you are instead telling us that Jesus Christ, the one who is Eternal life Himself, had to beg God to save His own soul from the grave? So all that power and might, He could not save His own self from Hell. Of what use is He then as a saviour ? Stop lying against Peter and David who are not here to defend themselves and defend your own belief abeg! |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by capnies: 5:50pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: YOU JUST MADE YOURSELF A LAUGHING STOCK. DON'T YOU KNOW OTHERS ARE READING THIS AND CAN MAKE THEIR OWN INFORMED DECISIONS HOW WOULD THEY RATE YOUR WRITING SORRY FOR PUTTING YOU WHERE YOU DON'T BELONG I SIGN OFF THANK YOU JESUS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL OTHERS ABOUT YOU. KEEP KEEPING ME |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by Kobojunkie: 5:50pm On Aug 18, 2021 |
capnies:Stop running around and answer the questions ... Stop lying against Peter and David who are not here to defend themselves and defend your own belief abeg! We know from Peter's letter what Peter believed and said of Jesus Christ's death 17 It is better to suffer for doing good than for doing wrong. Yes, it is better if that is what God wants.What you have done here is instead tell us that Jesus Christ, the one who is Eternal life Himself, had to beg God to save His own soul from the grave? You insinuate that all that power and might, Jesus Christ had spoke of being given by the Father was useless to saving His own self from Hell. Of what use is He then as a saviour ? |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by oaroloye(m): 7:18am On Aug 19, 2021 |
MISHIGAS! AS I HAVE EXPLAINED BEFORE: DEDICATION TO GOD BEGAN AT AGE 13 (BAR/BAT MITZVAH), SUCH THAT THE HEBREW Y'SRAELITE STUDIED THE SCRIPTURES IN GENERAL, AND THE LAW OF MOSES IN PARTICULAR, ON EACH OF THE SEVEN LEVELS OF HEAVENLY WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING, ACQUIRING THE SEVEN DISCRETE SPIRITS OF GOD, BY AGE 20, ENABLING THEM TO LIVE A COMPLETELY SINLESS LIFE BY AGE 21, READY TO SERVE GOD IN EVERY NECESSARY CAPACITY. If the males failed in this task, THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD said that their own parents must drag them before the Elders of Y'srael, and stone them to Death: Case Closed. The females were to be SOLD INTO SLAVERY or MARRIED OFF (same difference). Slavery was a last-ditch procedure to get a Y'sraelite to acquire THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD. I am assured that no other Christian in History has received this Revelation. IT IS THEREFORE STUPID AND FUTILE FOR GENTILES TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE USING BASE HUMAN WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING, WHICH IS ANIMALISTIC AND ROBOTIC IN NATURE- THAT IS, INSTINCT AND PROGRAMMING. . THE FOUR LEVELS OF PERCEPTION. (4) DIFFERENTIATION: THE SANE AND INTELLIGENT ABILITY TO PERCEIVE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN SIMILAR THINGS. (3) ASSOCIATION: THE SANE AND INTELLIGENT ABILITY TO PERCEIVE THE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN DIFFERENT THINGS. (2) IDENTIFICATION: THE INSANE AND STUPID INABILITY TO PERCEIVE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN DIFFERENT THINGS. (1) DISSOCIATION: THE INSANE AND STUPID INABILITY TO PERCEIVE THE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN SIMILAR THINGS. (0) DEATH: THE INABILITY TO PERCEIVE ANYTHING AT ALL. [See: SCIENTOLOGY: The Fundamentals of Thought, by L. Ron Hubbard (1956).] . THE FOUR LEVELS OF AWARENESS. (1) ANIMAL AWARENESS: SYNCHRONIZATION OF INTERNAL VIBRATIONS TO MATCH THOSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT, IN ORDER TO PERCEIVE IT. (2) THE FIRST ATTENTION- MORTAL HUMAN AWARENESS: THE SAMPLING OF PERCEPTIONS WITHOUT SYNCHRONIZING ONE'S VIBRATIONS, TO CREATE A USABLE WORLD, USING ONLY 1% OF AWARENESS, AND 10% OF CONSCIOUSNESS. (3) THE SECOND ATTENTION- MYSTICAL HUMAN AWARENESS: PERCEPTION BY ENHANCING CONSCIOUSNESS BEYOND 10% AND AWARENESS BEYOND THE 1% SUBSISTENCE LEVELS ALLOWED BY THE DEVILS WHO USURP OWNERSHIP OF THE HUMAN RACE- WITH OUR WILLING CONSENT. (4) THE THIRD ATTENTION- IMMORTAL AWARENESS: THOSE WHO HAVE COMPLETELY EXTRICATED THEMSELVES FROM SATANIC RESTRICTIONS CAN FUNCTION ACCORDING TO THE CREATOR'S ORIGINAL DESIGN SPECIFICATIONS. As such they can safely perceive things that would destroy even Mortal Mystics- merely by perceiving them. That means that they can channel Powers that would destroy lesser beings. . THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25) (1) TOTAL RECALL. (2) EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION. (3) TELEKINESIS. (4) TELEPORTATION. (5) TRANSLATION. (6-10) EVERLASTING LIFE. THE SECOND ATTENTION is the First Five Talents. THE THIRD ATTENTION is the Ten Talents- all of which are acquired instantaneously, once Spiritual Energy/Awareness exceeds 50% recovery. If the Mystic is not properly prepared, they will die, even instantly, upon attaining "Immortality." [See: THE EAGLE'S GIFT, by Carlos Castaneda (1981). THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985). THE CELESTINE PROPHECY, by James Redfield (1993).] . ISAIAH 55:6-11. 6. Seek ye The LORD, while He may be found, call ye upon Him while He is near. 7. Let the Wicked forsake his Way, and the Unrighteous Man his Thoughts: and let him return unto The LORD, and He will have Mercy upon him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon. 8. "FOR MY THOUGHTS (ARE) NOT YOUR THOUGHTS, NEITHER ARE YOUR WAYS MY WAYS," saith The LORD. 9. "FOR (AS) THE HEAVENS ARE HIGHER THAN THE EARTH, SO ARE MY WAYS HIGHER THAN YOUR WAYS, AND MY THOUGHTS THAN YOUR THOUGHTS.' 10. "For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from Heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the Sower, and bread to the Eater: 11. "So shall My Word be that goeth forth out of My Mouth: It shall not return unto Me void, but It shall accomplish that which I please, and It shall prosper (in the thing) whereto I sent It." . 2nd CHRONICLES 16:9. 9. "For The Eyes of The LORD run to and fro throughout the whole Earth, to show Himself strong on behalf of those whose heart is perfect toward Him. Herein thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth thou shalt have wars.” . AMOS 3:3. 3. Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" . ZECHARIAH 4:10. 10. For who hath despised The Day of Small Things? For they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are The Eyes of The LORD, Which run to and fro through the whole Earth. NO OTHER CHRISTIAN ALIVE HAS ATTAINED MY LEVEL OF WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING. If you Survive to reach Heaven, It can only be by following MY TEACHINGS FIRST AND FOREMOST. Every other Christian has either lost their Soul completely when they died, or gone to Hell. This is a fact. What else am I supposed to say? oaroloye: MEDITATION IN THE LAW OF GOD BY MOSES IS THE SOLE CRITERION OF GOOD SUCCESS: NO ONE ELSE HERE KNOWS GOOD SUCCESS, BECAUSE NONE OF YOU KNOW MEDITATION IN THE LAW OF GOD. If there were, they would be fighting alongside ME. No one on Earth has anything more important to do, than to abide by MY Doctrine. Kobojunkie: YOU PERSIST IN THIS IGNORANCE, BECAUSE YOU CHERRY-PICK THE BIBLE IN GENERAL, AND THE TEACHINGS OF LORD YESHUA IN PARTICULAR. Had you met ONE TRUE FOLLOWER of Lord Yeshua, they would have set you straight. . LUKE 24:13-48. 13. And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem (about) threescore furlongs. 14. And they talked together of all those things which had happened. 15. And it came to pass, that, while they communed (together) and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. 16. But their eyes were holden that they should not know him. 17. And he Said unto them, "What manner of communications (are) these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?" 18. And the one of them whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, "Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass in these days?" 19. And he Said unto them, "What things?" And they said unto him, "Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a Prophet mighty in Deed and Word before God and all the people: 20. "And how the Chief Priests and our Rulers delivered him to be condemned to Death, and have Crucified him. 21. "But we trusted that it had been he which should have Redeemed Israel: and besides all this, to day is the Third Day since these things were. 22. "Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre; 23. "And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a Vision of Angels, which said that he was alive. 24. "And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found (it) even so as the women had said: but him they saw not." 25. Then he Said unto them, "O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that The Prophets have Spoken: 26 "Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his Glory?" 27. And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, he expounded unto them in all the Scriptures concerning himself. 28. And they drew nigh unto unto the village whither they went: and he made as if he would have gone further. 29. But they constrained him , saying, "Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent." And he went in to tarry with them. 30. And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed (it), and brake, and gave to them. 31. And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight. 32. And they said one to another, "Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us The Scriptures?" 33. And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the Eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, 34. Saying, "THE LORD IS RISEN INDEED, AND HATH APPEARED TO SIMON." 35. And they told what things (were done) in the way, and how he was known to them in breaking of bread. 36. And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and Saith unto them, "Peace (be) unto you." 37. But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. 38. And he Said unto them, "Why are ye troubled? And why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 39. "Behold my hands and feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." 40. And when he had thus Spoken, he shewed them (his) hands and (his) feet. 41. And while they believed not for joy, and wondered, he Said unto them, "Have ye any meat?" 42. And they gave him a piece of broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43. And he took (it), and did eat before them. 44. And he Said unto them, "These (are) the Words which I Spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in The Law of Moses, and (in) The Prophets, and (in) The Psalms concerning me." 45. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand The Scriptures, 46. And Said unto them, "Thus it is written and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead The Third Day. 47. "And that Repentance and Remission of Sins should be preached in his Name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48. "And ye are Witnesses of these things. 49. "And, behold, I send The Promise of my Father upon you: until ye be endued with Power From On High." YOU ARE NOT MENTALLY-COMPETENT TO RECOGNIZE WHEN THE PROPHETS SPOKE OF LORD YESHUA, BECAUSE YOU ARE BOTH INSANE AND STUPID. Capnies is merely a ROBOT, reciting what WOMEN teach. oaroloye: Kobojunkie: WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "JESUS CHRIST?" WHO TOLD YOU THAT YESHUA OF NAZARETH WAS THE CHRIST? ACTUALLY, THAT IS NOT IMPORTANT: WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS WHO DIDN'T TELL YOU LORD YESHUA IS THE CHRIST! God never told YOU. Nor did He tell any of the supposed Christians here on NAIRALAND. Therefore, none of you believe in your heart's that Lord Yeshua is The HaMishiach, and merely repeat what someone somewhere told you. IF GOD DOES NOT TELL YOU WHO LORD YESHUA IS, YOU CANNOT BE A MEMBER OF HIS CHURCH, NOR SAVED, NOR A CHILD OF GOD. Kobojunkie: . PSALMS 37:23. 23. The steps of a (good) man are ordered by The LORD: and He delighteth in His Way. PEOPLE WHOSE ACTIONS ARE DICTATED BY THE SAME SPIRITUAL POWER HAVE SIMILAR EXPERIENCES: THE IGNORANT AND STUPID FIRST ATTENTION PERSON CALL THIS "COINCIDENCE." This is a Spiritual Entity manifesting Its Power in the Earth, attracting ATTENTION- so that the SECOND ATTENTION person can FOLLOW THEM BACK, and FIND THEM. [See: JOURNEY TO IXTLAN: by Carlos y (1973). THE SECOND RING OF POWER, by Carlos Castaneda (1977). THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985). THE CELESTINE PROPHECY, by James Redfield (1993).] capnies: Kobojunkie: THE INSANE MAN CONFUSES HIS DELUSIONS WITH REALITY, AND ADDS OR SUBTRACTS FROM THE BIBLE, TO MAKE IT IRRATIONAL. Who told you that Lord Yeshua did anything by his own might? Who told you Dawid, or Lord Yeshua, was "BEGGING?" |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by LordReed(m): 10:51am On Aug 20, 2021 |
Celestial North Korea. Damn, thank Andromeda such rubbish has been purged from my system. 1 Like |
Re: Why Would You Send Someone You Love To Hell ???? by Image123(m): 10:12pm On Aug 20, 2021 |
LordReed: i thank God on your behalf. How would anyone with a brain want or dream of or envisage a celestial north Korea? You're delivered from such foolery, many more to go. |
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