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| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by dare2think: 2:21pm On May 30, 2011 |
I'm only stating my observations and have no insidious motives. 1. I never engaged in a debate directly with you. 2. I really don't care about the bloody debate. 3. I get no points/money/credibilty for stating my observations. Why gentle man changed his post is puzzling and thanking me for a comment directed to someone else in that manner is more puzzling. Then you appear a min later to say the same thing is beyond puzzling. Hence my reason for asking if you are the same person. Just an observation on my part. I once had another ID when mine was blocked temprorarily so I don't know what the fuss is about. Except of course if there is a motive on your part. Is there? |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by KunleOshob(m): 2:25pm On May 30, 2011 |
I can authoritatively confirm that "gentle me" is the same fraudster as "tonye-twister-tithes" I have caught him before sometimes last year using both I.Ds. Also you guys should not that the fraudster knows the truth about tithes as I have had lengthy exhaustive debates with him on the subject in the past and he resorts to daft manipulative tactics to prove his point. You are all witnesses to the non existent bible version he quoted of matthew 23:23 to maniputatively quote it out of context. Personally I don't bother with him anymore cause he resorts to insults and abuses when his lies are exposed. He knows the truth from the way he glaringly twists scriptures to support the scam, I just wonder what his motive is if as he claims (which I very much doubt) that he is not a tithe collecting pastor like joagbaje |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 1:22am On May 31, 2011 |
It is crystal clear now that Tonye-tithe and the rest of the CEC mujahedin(multiple IDs and all) have nothing new to offer in this debate, calling folks with SUPERIOR arguments names only goes to show this individual as an immature baby crying for attention, pickin wey say im mama no go sleep no go sleep either, Your tithe/jet buying business is about to end, get other sources of income now before it is too late, I hear these "MOGs" break you down to the point of no return and before you know it, you are doing things you would never do under normal circumstances, A good friend of mine was told a couple of weeks ago that as a worker he shouldn't wear native every Sunday to Church as a worker, A Nigerian Church where Nigerian attire is not welcomed? Kids throw temper tantrums when they can't get their way, is that what am sensing from tithe-tonye? I won't stoop to that level and start calling names, you appear to be way too junior to have that back and forth with. Tonye-tithe, If I see you about to jump from the top of the Washington monument, all I can do is try to show you the dangers inherent in what you're about to do but at the end, you can still decide to jump, same with your tithe, Shalom, |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by aletheia(m): 1:55am On May 31, 2011 |
ogajim:^ That's because dressing in native will undermine the prosperity brand.  |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Tonyet1(m): 9:47am On May 31, 2011 |
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| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Tonyet1(m): 9:53am On May 31, 2011 |
And what baffles me is that this is about the 4th time my name is linked with another persona  . . .so long as they agree with my stance then I think 'am cool with the name naming Tonye=olabowale=viaro=gentle me=bobbyaf !! *I really wish i was that guy but unfortunately Tonye-t can never be a gentle guy, he sure was never bred for that* . . .enigma, me is still waiting for your ID research, better still you can ask my sister Jesoul to give you assistance, she's done it before and came out to apologize. Yours could be different,.  Now to the foolish chiefain(kunle) and his toy soldiers. . . Pls I need someone to show me where tithing was mentioned or treated as a/the law in the whole bible, then I will rest my case! *Kunle I am trying to get a thread for just the two of us to talk on tithing, yeah just the two of us exclusively, I only pray you dont retreat as you did Viaro* |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by KunleOshob(m): 12:37pm On May 31, 2011 |
@tonye-tithes You seriously need to refrain from insults and using abusive words. Some of us are not disposed to discussing with people who resort to insults when their position as been exposed to be a lie. The fact that this is a faceless forum does not mean you should forget your manners (if you have any) and start insulting others just becos they don't agree with you. |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 2:01pm On May 31, 2011 |
Abeg kunle, make we forget this cry baby! I wonder what kinds of Christians throw insults about and call people names just because they don't have the same opinion on things We might find it easy to think outside the box, accept when we make mistakes, apologize when needed, etc because we are not under the INFLUENCE of some "MOG" with hair that can best be described at a greasy Kippah/yarmulke. One day, these people will see the light and until then, the best we can do is pray for them. |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Ovamboland(m): 12:04am On Jun 01, 2011 |
Sincerely i think the essnense of a forum like this is to study the Bible properly,discuss and learn. I am quite amazed at the responses of a lot of people who i believe are supposed to be christians. I have been a silent participant and without mentioning names i wish that despite our different views, we would be an example of the believer in word,conversation and deeds.Let us try not to drive unbelievers away from salvation which is very important.Our views definately cannot always be the same until our Lord appears and then we can comprehend what the lenght and breadth is.Basically, we should examine ourselves above thithing and man of God worshipping,to be sure we are in faith,to be sure we are keeping the commandment of Jesus,to be sure we are truly repented,to be sure we have genuinely given our lives to Jesus.Every other thing is plus, amo lai se ara eran.Let us stop calling a brother or sister derogatory names like slowpoke,fool,mad,stupid and what have you.Make your points at all times as much as possible but don't abuse a brother or sister. God bless you all. By this shall men know that you are my disciples, if you love one another. John13:35 |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Tonyet1(m): 12:02pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
Kunle, You are just a BIG COWARD cry cry baby!!. Dont worry I wont rest my case until you repent from the satanic lies you feed innocent readers on this forum by telling them tithing is irrelevant. How dare you! Here's my stance and I'll always remain on that, Firstly, I strongly believe that tithing was never a law because Abraham was the first man recorded to have tithed, when he tithed he did so before the law of Moses. Now how on earth can someone come up to now say tithing is a law. Moreover, bible scholars sternly believed that tithing must have been an ancestral custom in Abraham's lineage because even Jacob (who still existed before the law) promised God a tithe if God will fulfill a promise, and bible told us God fulfilled his promise, meaning Jacob must have tithed too. Now did this men exist before the law of moses or during the law of moses? Your answer is sure as mine. They existed before the law Gen 14:20 (for Abraham) -And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he[Abraham] gave him tithes of all. KJV Gen 28:20-22 (For Jacob) 20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, 21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: 22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I[Jacob] will surely give the tenth unto thee. |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Tonyet1(m): 12:20pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
Secondly, Tithing was never mentioned as a law I have gone through the whole bible and never did I come across any such place that mentioned or treated TITHING AS A LAW. Critics say Moses constituted the law, is this true? absolutely No! because, In Leviticus, we see Moses specifically making strong declarations such as 6:14 - . . .Now this is THE LAW of the meat offering 6:25 - . . .Now this is THE LAW of the sin offering 7:1 - . . .Now this the THE LAW of the trespass offering 7:37 - . . .Now this is THE LAW of the burnt offering 7:11-14 - . . .Now this is THE LAW of the sacrifice Num.6:21-22 - . . .this is THE LAW of the NAZARITE and so many other laws he gave them, buy never will you come across any such thing as THE LAW OF TITHING, it was never constituted as a law, rather it was a ancestral custom that Moses re-introduced from their ancestors (Abraham and Jacob). *I'll show that shortly* |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by KunleOshob(m): 12:31pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
So how does all the rubbish you wrote above justify the institutionalized tithing fraud going on in churches today? Deceiving believers that they must tithe from their income. Is there any semblance in what abraham did and the fraud going on today? |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 12:33pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
Tonye-t: WOW, you must be sore from patting your self on the back after such a "convincing" submission in favor of tithe, How come Abram (not Abraham as your folks like to call him at this point since this was before his covenant with God) never paid from his own pockets? Am I allowed to take a team of Navy Seals, attach Bayelsa (where Pastor Joe Agbaje is based), take the loot and pay 10% of that to your CEC branch? How come Abraham never repeated this again? Could it be because there was no record of him going to war again? How many of you get your house girl/maid pregnant these days because your wife is unable to conceive? What is the similarity between today's tithe and Jacob's promise to pay a tithe after God fulfills certain conditions on his behalf? Let's concentrate on the issues that will grow the Church as opposed to these outdated man-made customs of ecclesiastical taxation (without representation like DC) Fela God it right in "coffin for head of state, Tonye-tithe might be too young to relate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNmxOx0ap7M |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Tonyet1(m): 12:42pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
Here's how Moses spake of tithing, *this passage was the first time Moses ever said anything like tithing* Leviticus 27:30 - And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.. Brethren, let's look at this passage carefully, did this passage look like someone giving a law? did it say anything like HEAR O ISREAL, THE LORD IS SAYING YE SHALL TITHE FROM NOW ON  ? did it even look like someone giving a commandment? your answer is as good as mine. Of course No!Rather, Moses started by saying "And all the tithe. . ." meaning tithing was something Israel was already conversant with, so Moses was telling them that henceforth they should treat the custom of tithing as Holy *recall they were just coming out from Egypt were they were forced to serve idols and it sure looks like they must have been tithing in unholy manners* Look at this analogy: I am a lecturer of human anatomy, and I come into a class of anatomy students and then I started off by saying "and all the bones of the human body is made up of calcium" when you hear this, wont it suggest to you that the students must have been familiar with the word "bones"? *I'll continue shortly* |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by EarsWide(m): 12:44pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
@Tonye-t Tithing is indeed irrelevant and you should tone down your insults - what is 'satanic lies' ? You are beginning to sound like some sort of loonie. You keep going on and on about Tithing not being a law, so what ? In the bible it says that women should not talk in church - it is not a law, so we do we enforce it now? It is funny how charlatans and their supporters pick and choose bits of the bible often for financial gain. Why dont you encourage people to bring all their property to church and share it for the good of all as in the days of the early church ? It is only the tithes that the frauds can abuse that is encouraged. Again there are numerous references to slaves in the bible both in the New and Old testament. Keeping slaves was not a law so maybe you should pop down to your local slave shop and buy a couple of slaves. God gave us a brain so that we can use it - if he wanted us to buy the crap sold by the charlatans he would have made us less intelligent. Using your brain should tell you that getting the poorest in the society to pay tithes so that the likes of Benny Hinn, Oyedepo, Copeland and co can live luxurious lives cannot be right. Tithing is just a way for frauds and charlatans to enrich themselves on the back of the gullible and vulnerable. |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Tonyet1(m): 12:45pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
KunleOshob: I'll come to that KunleOshod you must be very foolish to dwell here with two personalities, must you always write alongside Ogajim? you be mumu walai! Or maybe I should open a thread and take time to explain tithe to everyone who cares to learn or know more! |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Nobody: 12:49pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
^ I am sorry but you do not exhibit the Spirit of Christ. How can you profess to be a Christian and yet curse your brethren ? You need urgent repentance before you slide back into your sins. |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Tonyet1(m): 12:50pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
EarsWide: You are beginning to sound like a big fool! I'll rather be a loonie and stick to what is right that follow the band of fools like you and your satanic folks to deceive innocent people who read and get misinformed by a simple issue you guys cannot even address. I was brought up with this scriptures my friend Ex.23:2 - do not follow the crowd in doing what is wrong Why cant you boldly address the issue or better still answer the question i asked your fellows who keep dodging simple questions! Just simply because fake pastors manipulate the topic, you guys believe the custom should be abolished. what a height of insanity! *1 advice. . .shut up! and listen as I teach you tithing* |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Tonyet1(m): 12:57pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
frosbel: Taaaaaah shut up! I exhibit the spirit of Christ. Because the spirit of Christ is what will compel Jesus to use physical whip to chase out fake folks like you, it is the spirit of Christ that will compel Jesus to call folks fools, it is the spirit of Christ that will compel Paul to tag a whole church of thousands in Galatians; fools!!! You need scriptures? why cant you just answer the question I aasked you several times. . .o well i see you are A BIG FOOL! |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by EarsWide(m): 12:57pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
@Tonye-T You can kiss my a*s - I can do insults too Why dont you address the points I raised: Women should not talk is in the bible and is NOT a law - so next time you see your MOG you should prevent his wife from talking in church (after all the MOGs, their wives and children are all annointed )Also why dont you start trading in slaves - since it was mentioned in the bible and is NOT a law. Your 'Not a law' argument is nonsensical in the light of the examples I have given you, I can add more for your dull brain if you like. You can carry on teaching tithing till the cows come home - only the gullible and vulnerable will buy your crap. |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Nobody: 1:01pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
@Tonye-T It is obvious that you are one of those pastors who has to hang onto the tithe doctrine with all their might otherwise they are doomed financially. Or maybe you are one of those so called church goers who has bought into the LIE that God is a gambler and the more you sow the more probable it is that you just might reap a huge return. Wow !!! Talk about the deceived and the deceivers. All swimming in the same ocean of tithe madness. Every Spirit filled person on this forum can easily discern your desperation in trying to hold onto the remaining bare threads of the tithe LIE. Be careful and remember Eddie Long and co, pray your end does not happen like theirs. Thanks |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Tonyet1(m): 1:07pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
EarsWide: No! no!! no!!! Its not insults my dear friend. . .my english teacher call it "Adjectival expressions of nouns" e.g Kunle-the-fool (noun) is FOOLISH (adjective) . So when next i call you not-so-smart person pls check the dictionary for the noun part RTFLMOA |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 1:07pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
Tonye-t: Tonye-tithe:Tonye-tithe:Tonye-tithe:Tonye-tithe How many times was that? You started with Abram's one time tithe and when you were called out on that, you ignored that completely and went for Moses' instruction that they keep the "CUSTOM" of tithing. You probably discourage more folks with your insults and attitude than anyone else on this forum Pastor Joe Agbeje don't even come close to you in terms of attitude, he appears to be a gentle man who is sometimes uncomfortable with his assignment/mission on NL. Are you up for promotion or something dude? |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by EarsWide(m): 1:13pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
@Tonye-t Carry on your tithe 'teaching' - and watch me demolish each vacuous argument you bring forward You are a dullard who in his small mind thinks arguments are won by the pitch of the voice - arguments my friend, are won by facts. That is MY teaching for you today. I await your next teaching , |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Tonyet1(m): 1:13pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
ogajim: I dont know i just seem to have this soft spot for you . . .o well I see you as some follower who wished he could stand for the truth, but Kunle and co will kill you the day you deviate from their demonic mission. *so dont worry Tonye wont hurt you, the flames from your masters abode will* To the humble I will be humble, to the haughty I will be wild  and yeah thanx for the compliments on my baby-junior!  |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Tonyet1(m): 1:16pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
4 new fools I have met recently in their degree of foolishness WETU, [size=17pt]FROSBEL,[/size] [size=23pt]MOSKEETO[/size], [size=30pt]EARSWIDE[/size]. . .wonder who's next! |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by EarsWide(m): 1:19pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
@Tonye-t Dont dodge - carry on your 'teachings' and let me demolish them. |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by KunleOshob(m): 1:38pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
@all I would suggest we all ignore this uncouth lunatic who is just desperate for attention. I have already thrashed out the topic with him and exposed him for the fraud he is. He specializes in twisting scriptures and manipulating same to promote his fraudulent views. His resort to insults is really nauseating and I would not be responding to any comments by the lunatic again. |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 2:09pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
The goal post keep moving and we're not going anywhere arguing with Tonye-tithe. Shalom. |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Tonyet1(m): 2:15pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
KunleOshob: Kunle, You are something else when and where did we trash any issue? What amazes me is that you lack even the slightest evidence to prove that tithing is not relevant again. . .just for Christ sake Pls provide everyone who cares simple answers to these questions and I promise to hold back. . .yeah its a promise! [list] [li] Where was it mentioned that tithing was/should be abolished in the whole bible?[/li] [li] Where was tithing ever mentioned as a LAW?[/li] [li] Why do you treat tithing as a law, especially when you know it predates the Law and was never mentioned as a law?[/li] [li] What did Pastor Chris, Pastor Adeboye and Oyedepo do to you, that you go the whole section abusing them like they were your mates? [/li][li] How on earth will you feel to hear or see folks doing the same to your father [/li][li] You do not believe in Trinity. You're asked to prove why. . .you run [/li][li] You believe in agnostism. You're asked to prove why. . .you run and still yet you call yourself a Christian. [/li][li] You do not believe in Tithing. you're asked to prove why. . .you resort to calling folks names like "slowpoke", "uncouth lunatic" even calling a female of CEC; a LovePeddler! [/li][/list] My 4years here has only revealed you as a COWARD. . .Viaro humbly asked If you'would accept a debate from him . . .you run accusing him of being another persona - Pilgrim1. How on earth does double casting relate with addressing a simple issue.Maybe I should quote VIARO's comment about your attitude Quote from Viaro One word for you. . .YOU SUCK! I'll chastise you until you learn not to deceive innocent people here. |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 2:30pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
Drum roll for you Tonye-tithe, as a matter of fact, 21 gun salute for the tithe general. How about we say tithe is not a law but a "CUSTOM" as you rightly pointed out in an earlier post this morning? Maybe I am missing the issue here because I haven't finished my morning coffee yet so bear with me! My Jesus Christ came to abolish all customs/practices/sacrifices so that we may get a second birth, how about yours? Shalom. |
| Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by dare2think: 2:41pm On Jun 01, 2011 |
Tonye-T are you Gentle me?? If not, do you know him? Just checked the Guys history and it seems the dude likes you a lot.## He seem to keep referring to you in most of his post (Tonye this , tonye that) . How come you repeated the very same questions he asked me and Frosel, then he magically modified his post to a meaningless one. Is is because *whispers* Gentle me frequents the sexuality thread? not that there is anything wrong in it. Or is there? lol |
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