•Where was it mentioned that tithing was/should be abolished in the whole bible?

dare2think:

@ Gentle me, sorry --(Tonye-T)

Since I am "rolled" in, I might as well respond to your childish antics.

Firstly, your rudeness seem to me to come as a result of a disturbed childhood, were you abused and deprived so bad that you seem to harbour a lot of anger in youself?

Either you are a very young individual or a very ignorant adult, whichever way, you need to find a source to vent your frustrations and anger.  We all have different opinions and views and it is inevitable we clash, but dude, your manners are repulsive and I really feel sorry for those around you because I am sure they are embarrased for you.
Gentle me (the sexual expert)or Tonye- T (the tithe crusader), whichever one, you give Christianity a terrible name and your attitude reflects your reasoning capacity. Shameful.

"Militant Christianity"

Am sure you feel you are doing God or Jesus a favour by your repulsive behaviour. I give it to Joagbaje for his matured response when under criticism. You on the other hand behave like a Dog that has been starved for days.

By the way, am responding from my Office's computer, so technically am not Jobless.



@ Frosbel, Earswide, Ogajim, Kunle oshob.

Ps stop feeding this troll.   Debates are inevitable in life and we all have different opinions. People should learn to construct their views appropriatly in order to achieve sensibility and coherence. This Troll must not be given the food he thrives on. Attention.

So pls help him out and ignore his antics.  I'll start.

Thanks

1. Saw this coming . . .never knew I've got this gift. I laughed so much when I read this post that my ribs ached. And me could easily detect your persona here, why changing the ID to dare2think?

2. Bro, you would have told me you were this good too! at least the stuffs like "dog", "disturbed childhood", "ignorant adult", "troll" just shows you guys are coward. Walai! like seriously must you play cool all this while when underneath lies a ravenous wolf ?

Well I'll let you finish work first *then you'll tell me if we should discuss tithing or mudslinging* lest your boss comes barking at you for wasting internet time.

And to add, I think gentle me seems a good name for a rude boy thanks!!

nuclearboy:

I've been reading silently in growing astonishment. Tonye-T always loved the tithe issue but I never saw him display so much vitriol - Wow! KunleOshob will definitely come under great fire since he started the anti-tithe movement here and OBVIOUSLY it is working & people must be really withdrawing from tithing as a compulsion for there to be so much rancour.

I think Tonye should NOT be ignored. Allow him say more, insult more, fight more - wetin dey pain am plenty. His acrobatics prove your cases more than even your facts as anyone who goes back to read will easily see. You will notice that even the CE gang of animals have kept quiet here - he is embarrassing them and his argument as he has totally stopped arguing and is just fighting everyone.

Maybe its my turn now to get called the few words/terms of endearment he seems limited to

RTFLMAO. . .like is this Nuclear?I mean like is this Nuclearboy? Is this the chief of insults? even when trying to compliment 'em CEC folks he's still calling them ANIMALS. . . gooooosh!!! *the thing full your body* and to the new attribute. . .me learnt it well from them chiefs. at least your posts would testify.

Dont worry you can roll in too just if you dont mind! I can eat up a thousand bulls!! and my greatest joy is that the word of God has grown thick into the skin of every genuine Christian such that they dont need extra lessons to know that tithing is still very much relevant. . .when i teach in schools I feel so happy to see young ones getting to understand the truth and the beauty in tithing. . .when I hold talk sessions. . .I see folks who testify they understand th subject more than ever. . .when I teach in Church I could see the bliss and smiles because for once they've understood that "just because fake men abuse the custom of righteous men doesnt mean the custom should be abolished". . . my heart goes to those who choose to be deceived by Kunle and his satanic cohorts with lies that they finds so difficult to explain.

5 threads and yet No anti-tither have come up to tell us why the act of tithing should be abolished! I weep for Ignorance. . .my heart bleeds for their frets!

garyarnold:

@Tonye-t,

Instead of sticking with the reliable KJV translation, you switch around to find a version that suits your purpose.


Malachi 3:9 (KJV) - Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

The KJV added the word "even" for clarity purposes, but has confused some. The verse is saying that GOD had been robbed; therefore, this whole nation has been robbed. If you study Nehemiah 13, you will see how this happened. The priests took the Levites portion of the tithe that was in the Storehouse. The Levites had no food. The Levites had to leave the Temple and go back to their homes in the Levitical cities. The Levites were robbed of the tithe. By doing so, the Temple had to be closed. Closing the Temple was the robbing of the whole nation.

Galatians 3:13 “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us…” There is no curse today so Malachi 3:9 is irrelevant today.

The Bible CLEARLY SHOWS that the tithe ENDED at the cross in the Book of Hebrews. In the first nine verses of Hebrews 7 the words tenth or tithes appears SEVEN TIMES. The ONLY place in the Bible, after Calvary, that tithing appears is in Hebrews 7.

Hebrews 7:5 (KJV) “And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the
loins of Abraham:”

Verse 5 is the first occurance of the words TITHES, COMMANDMENT and LAW.

Hebrews 7:12 (KJV) “For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”

Hebrews 7:18 (KJV) “For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

The word COMMANDMENT in verse 18 must be referring to the word COMMANDMENT in verse 5 which is referring to the tithe.

Therefore, the COMMANDMENT to TITHE was disannulled.

nuclearboy:

Tonye-T always loved the tithe issue but I never saw him display so much vitriol

nuclearboy:

I think Tonye should NOT be ignored.

Azibalua:


1. tithing pre -existed the law, so it could not have gone with the law,it's a principle that has always been like prayers,worship.e.t.c

garyarnold:

@Tonye-t,

Instead of sticking with the reliable KJV translation, you switch around to find a version that suits your purpose.

At least I didnt write those translations. . .or did I? And my friend, the reason people refer to further translations are to grasp more clarities on issues, since some brains are dull and biased dont you think using Garynold's dictionary will not help until Oxford's come handy too? ^{*my friend truth is truth, whether KJV, Message, NKJV, NIV, NLT they still say the same thing*}

garyarnold:


Malachi 3:9 (KJV) - Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

The KJV added the word "even" for clarity purposes, but has confused some. The verse is saying that GOD had been robbed; therefore, this whole nation has been robbed. If you study Nehemiah 13, you will see how this happened. The priests took the Levites portion of the tithe that was in the Storehouse. The Levites had no food. The Levites had to leave the Temple and go back to their homes in the Levitical cities. The Levites were robbed of the tithe. By doing so, the Temple had to be closed. Closing the Temple was the robbing of the whole nation.

garyarnold:

Galatians 3:13 “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us…”  There is no curse today so Malachi 3:9 is irrelevant today.

The Bible CLEARLY SHOWS that the tithe ENDED at the cross in the Book of Hebrews.  In the first nine verses of Hebrews 7 the words tenth or tithes appears SEVEN TIMES.  The ONLY place in the Bible, after Calvary, that tithing appears is in Hebrews 7.

Hebrews 7:5 (KJV)  “And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:”

Verse 5 is the first occurance of the words TITHES, COMMANDMENT and LAW.

Hebrews 7:12 (KJV)  “For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”

Hebrews 7:18 (KJV)  “For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.”

The word COMMANDMENT in verse 18 must be referring to the word COMMANDMENT in verse 5 which is referring to the tithe.

Therefore, the COMMANDMENT to TITHE was disannulled.

Beautiful submission. . .but you are trying to twist scriptures and it is wrong! It is a good thing to refer to the entire chapter at least so you dont misinform people. . .its not a good thing.

Let's see Hebrew 7: 1-21

Heb 7:1-21
1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
21(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
KJV

Tonye-t:

(i.e. the way Moses said they should give it)

aletheia:

^
It is interesting how you guys get yourself twisted into knots in trying to defend the indefensible. Based on your words above: Are you tithing the way Moses said you should tithe?

I await your answer.

What is here that you dont understand

You can see that God was not referring to the Priests at anytime, rather he was referring to the nation because they had neglected God and abandoned the tithing according to their customs (i.e. the way Moses said they should give it). . .vs.11 God promised blessing the ground for theirsake, now if it were the levites or priests _{*people who dont use the ground}, why would God bless it, it sure was for the nation (a people who need to use the ground)

Tonye-t:

Who was the nation? Israel of course!

Tonye-t:

Who was God refering to in that passage? the nation of Israel!

Tonye-t:

How did they tithe? the way Moses said they should!

aletheia:

Are you tithing the way Moses said you the children of Israel should tithe?

I await your answer.

Tonye-t:

What's so difficult to understand? *shakes head and laughs at the word "indefensible" - you can tell that to 'em little kids!*

aletheia:

^Are you tithing the way Moses said you should tithe?

aletheia:

If the nation being referred to is Israel in Canaan, why then do your ilk parlay that to refer to Christians then?

Can you provide a quote?  

aletheia:


Refer to my question immediately above.

aletheia:

Again I repeat my question to you suitably emended to close the wriggle room you tried to exploit in avoiding answering the question. Try not to avoid answering it, as it seems you are trying to do.^

aletheia:

Your snide remarks do not faze me. Answer the question without resorting to insults if you can. But if by any means that will be difficult for you to do; you can include insults in your answer. . .just make sure to answer the question.

Good you called it "remark" at least just so i dont need to explain any further what i thought you undersood.

And friend one more thing make sure you quote it and do it fast!  

Tonye-t:

And to be brother seeking freedom from boredom. . .pls refer to all my posts on this section and pls quote where "tonye admonished tithing to be made according to the levitical order"?[/sup]

Tonye-t:

this shows that Tithing is a spiritual worship because A physical being gave to A being whom bible said never had Mother nor Father; who never had a beginning nor an end. . .meaning he was not born nor did he die

Tonye-t:

this custom trailed as a sacred thing so much so that the bible said "the levites" paid tithes whilst in Abraham's loins. *recall that by this time, the levites had never existed not even their ancestors after Abraham* which means an unexisted (spiritual) generation paid tithes even before they existed(became physical)

Tonye-t:

and that was why bible connected Jesus to have come under melchisedec's order

Tonye-t:

vs.11 - there is now a further need that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec(the ancient order that came before the levitical imperfect order), and not be called after the order of Aaron?