Alot of people have this misconception that satanists are people who worship satan but then that is not really the truth...
* According to wikipedia Satanism is a loose set of ideologies and philosophies that are largely based on satan....
the original church of satan that was founded in America by Anthony Lavey was just an atheist gathering that used satan merely for symbolism rather real worship....
Check the wikipedia page of the church of satan to get more information on their history, philosophies and ideology OR Simply type satanism on google to learn more...
modified: It is even stated on their website www.churchofsatan.com

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I think you are wrong. I have read their satanic bible, at least some part of it and they really worship Satan. There are also Satanists who have confessed to doing certain spiritual practices. I think you need to go deeper in your research. I already did several years ago and yes they worship Satan. You won't find all of their practices on Wikipedia or the likes. You need to go deeper.

peggywebbs:
I think you are wrong. I have read their satanic bible, at least some part of it and they really worship Satan. There are also Satanists who have confessed to doing certain spiritual practices. I think you need to go deeper in your research. I already did several years ago and yes they worship Satan. You won't find all of their practices on Wikipedia or the likes. You need to go deeper.

Post evidence to justify your claim....
and do you also know that the man who founded the church of satan was an atheist named Anthony Lavey and his main philosophy was individualism...
Satan is merely used as symbol to represent such philosophies....
their Ten commandments on wikipedia does not even mention satan but focuses more on rules to help you become successful...
it is even stated on their website www.churchofsatan.com that they don't believe in satan...

There are deeper research but I really don't like people who hate to do the work. Just like with secret societies, Rosicrucian and other secret forms of worship, you will hardly get the true picture of what they do until you are in it.

They paint the church of Satan online to be colorful and about freedom. How else do you think they will attract members to themselves. Their victims are those that have tried religion and lost faith in it. So they tell you no strings attached, they are not really tieing you to religion so you won't feel obligated.

They made Anton Lavey look like a comical clown when in reality his original profession was a police photographer. I can't do all the work for you, but if you are really curious, I hope you take a deep look at the topic starting from.

Who is satan

Where there early Satanists?

What where their practices?

The complete live and biography of Anton Lavey

How he wrote the satanic bible

Read the satanic bible

Find out about the church of Satan and their black masses

Look online for confessions from former Satanists. Avoid the ones from Africa, they are just doing pastorprinoral advertisement.


Reading Wikipedia, blog articles and the rest will only give you a decorative approach of Satan worship. They will turn what is actually a religious practice to deceive people that they are free thinkers and not tied to any belief system. That is why they are shrouded in secrecy. We all know that secret things are never good. The church of Satan is an occult society, tied to the more powerful occult world. They are all related even though they come in different names.


Read this

https://www.history.com/.amp/topics/1960s/satanism

Read the book
https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-satanic-bible-e57971973.html

Watch the video
https://youtu.be/HqHQLwdmwPI

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Post evidence to justify your claim....
and do you also know that the man who founded the church of satan was an atheist named Anthony Lavey and his main philosophy was individualism...
Satan is merely used as symbol to represent such philosophies....
their Ten commandments on wikipedia does not even mention satan but focuses more on rules to help you become successful...
it is even stated on their website www.churchofsatan.com that they don't believe in satan...

[quote author=peggywebbs post=106722716] Give a detailed definition... what is satanism ?

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Alot of people have this misconception that satanists are people who worship satan but then that is not really the truth...
* According to wikipedia Satanism is a loose set of ideologies and philosophies that are largely based on satan....
the original church of satan that was founded in America by Anthony Lavey was just an atheist gathering that used satan merely for symbolism rather real worship....
Check the wikipedia page of the church of satan to get more information on their history, philosophies and ideology OR Simply type satanism on google to learn more...
modified: It even stated on their website www.churchofsatan.com

Yeah, like you expect the gathering of Armed Robbers to openly declare that "Give us your property or we take it by murder"

Dtruthspeaker:


Yeah, like you expect the gathering of Armed Robbers to openly declare that "Give us your property or we take it by murder"

You have come with your false and ignorant analogies again....
Satanism has alot more to do with a gathering of atheists who use satan as a symbol to represent their ideologies... These atheists don't even believe in the existence of satan...but merely use him as a symbol...

peggywebbs:
There are deeper research but I really don't like people who hate to do the work. Just like with secret societies, Rosicrucian and other secret forms of worship, you will hardly get the true picture of what they do until you are in it.

They paint the church of Satan online to be colorful and about freedom. How else do you think they will attract members to themselves. Their victims are those that have tried religion and lost faith in it. So they tell you no strings attached, they are not really tieing you to religion so you won't feel obligated.

They made Anton Lavey look like a comical clown when in reality his original profession was a police photographer. I can't do all the work for you, but if you are really curious, I hope you take a deep look at the topic starting from.

Who is satan

Where there early Satanists?

What where their practices?

The complete live and biography of Anton Lavey

How he wrote the satanic bible

Read the satanic bible

Find out about the church of Satan and their black masses

Look online for confessions from former Satanists. Avoid the ones from Africa, they are just doing pastorprinoral advertisement.


Reading Wikipedia, blog articles and the rest will only give you a decorative approach of Satan worship. They will turn what is actually a religious practice to deceive people that they are free thinkers and not tied to any belief system. That is why they are shrouded in secrecy. We all know that secret things are never good. The church of Satan is an occult society, tied to the more powerful occult world. They are all related even though they come in different names.


Read this

https://www.history.com/.amp/topics/1960s/satanism

Read the book
https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-satanic-bible-e57971973.html

Watch the video
https://youtu.be/HqHQLwdmwPI

Weldone @peggy. I'm really impressed.

Please don't stress yourself too much over this one...

He might actually be a member but just here to give a false impression of them to mislead others.

Thanks and God bless.

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You have come with your false and ignorant analogies again....

My analogies are no where near false nor ignoring any fact. And if they were you would have raised the falsehood and the Truths which I ignored.

But you have none.

So your inability to counter a Direct Comparison of Fact, does not and cannot render my statement false or ignorant.

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Satanism has alot more to do with a gathering of atheists who use satan as a symbol to represent their ideologies... These atheists don't even believe in the existence of satan...but merely use him as a symbol...

We are not strictly referring to church of Satan when we say Satanist, we are talking about every one who are secretly/openly excited about causing harm and doing evil things.

All who do these and think these evil things are lovers of evii and therefore lovers of Satan, whom they must love because he is the greatest at doing evil so they must draw power from him, which is what makes them Satanist.

So, pure satanists, semi-satanist and liberal haters of God came together to do something annoying and provocation called Church of Satan in 1966 (according to google) but before 66, there were satanist.

And we understand what they are doing even if you choose to feign you do not know.

But we know who you Truly are, which is people who Hate God and His Perfect Laws that Promises Judgements Against people who do evil.

And you people love to do evil and desire to execute them except That God's Laws (Natural Law) Wars Against you.

peggywebbs:
...We all know that secret things are never good.
The church of Satan is an occult society, tied to the more powerful occult world. They are all related even though they come in different names...

The bolded, the sweetest statement of Truth this morning leading Straight to John 3:19-21

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Dtruthspeaker:


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Yeah, like you expect the gathering of Armed Robbers to openly declare that "Give us your property or we take it by murder"

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A False analogy is when you compare two things that are not in any way related to each other..... Armed robbery is an example of crime... While satanism is a religious ideology what then is the connection between this two things.... ??

Dtruthspeaker:


The bolded, the sweetest statement of Truth this morning leading Straight to John 3:19-21

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

You seem to misunderstand everything...
the thread is about whether satanist truly worship satan as most people would widly believe but rather i am trying to point out that satanism has alot more to do with sceptical atheists who use the satan figure to symbolise their ideologies not that they really worship satan as a God... Infact they don't even believe in the existence of satan...

jesusjnr2020:
Weldone @peggy. I'm really impressed.

Please don't stress yourself too much over this one...

He might actually be a member but just here to give a false impression of them to mislead others.

Thanks and God bless.

Misconception... Do christians literally eat and drink the blood and flesh of Jesus christ No...
It's just a symbol to represent their christian beliefs...
Thesame thing with satanism they don't really worship satan... Satan is just a figure head used to represent their ideologies and philosophies....

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... Armed robbery is an example of crime... While satanism is a religious ideology what then is the connection between this two things.... ??

The bold is what we are already contesting about for Satanists do evil things and all evil things are crimes.

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You seem to misunderstand everything...
the thread is about whether satanist truly worship satan as most people would widly believe but rather i am trying to point out that satanism has alot more to do with sceptical atheists who use the satan figure to symbolise their ideologies not that they really worship satan as a God... Infact they don't even believe in the existence of satan...

The bold is what I addressed when I said "But we know who you Truly are, which is people who Hate God and His Perfect Laws that Promises Judgements Against people who do evil.

And you people love to do evil and desire to execute them except That God's Laws (Natural Law) Wars Against you."

So on this "Infact they don't even believe in the existence of satan"- we know that this is a wishful desire.

Dtruthspeaker:


The bold is what we are already contesting about for Satanists do evil things and all evil things are crimes.

here you go again...
you never seem to understand these things...
All evil things are not crimes...
Homosexuality is legalised in America.
Prostitution is legalised in Netherlands.
Abortion is legalised in some states in the U.S
These are just few examples...
The world does not revolve around you and your religion alone...
learn to live and tolerate people even though they don't agree with your beliefs....

Dtruthspeaker:


The bold is what I addressed when I said "But we know who you Truly are, which is people who Hate God and His Perfect Laws that Promises Judgements Against people who do evil.

And you people love to do evil and desire to execute them except That God's Laws (Natural Law) Wars Against you."

So on this "Infact they don't even believe in the existence of satan"- we know that this is a wishful desire.

Us vs them mentality....

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Us vs them mentality....

It is a stark real eye-ity, that we are at war with evil who seeketh to harm/destroy us at best and at least steal our property and goods

Therefore, it is a War of Evil vs Good, for evil is always always trying to attack us even without cause or provocation.

Therefore, we are alert towards defending ourselves as we wait on The Owner of This House who hath commanded that Good be Done to come and see how evil is destroying everything He Had Made and therefore, He Shall Destroy Evil Completely.

Dtruthspeaker:


It is a stark real eye-ity, that we are at war with evil who seeketh to harm/destroy us at best and at least steal our property and goods

Therefore, it is a War of Evil vs Good, for evil is always always trying to attack us even without cause or provocation.

Therefore, we are alert towards defending ourselves as we wait on The Owner of This House who hath commanded that Good be Done to come and see how evil is destroying everything He Had Made and therefore, He Shall Destroy Evil Completely.

do you know what's a false dichotomy

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All evil things are not crimes...
Homosexuality is legalised in America.
Prostitution is legalised in Netherlands.
Abortion is legalised in some states in the U.S
These are just few examples...
The world does not revolve around you and your religion alone...
learn to live and tolerate people even though they don't agree with your beliefs....

I once counseled you AND YOU COULD NOT OBJECT that THE TRUTH IS IN THE PAST.

All crimes were based on WHOM HAS BEEN WOUNDED OR HARMED BY IT. That is The History of Crimes/Offences and where The Law of Crimes/Offences come from.

Unatural Conducts offends us which is why we would have been angry with men eating from dustbins, being dirty, wounding himself and behaving like wild animals but they have a Natural Defence, The Defence of Reasonably Confirmed Insanity.

Just like the madman, homosexuality and Prostitution offends all of us and
there is No Natural Defence Given to its Doers.

So the mere fact that men have deceived you all into thinking that they are the makers of Law whereas this is A Lie. No man brought down Law, We All came to meet The Law here, Waiting for us to come.

Thus, these Liars and Deceivers, Sons iof Satan have used the power received from their deception of you to start "making laws" which as you have seen now has developed into deceiving people that they have removed former Laws Forbidden and Prohibiting offensive conducts like prostitution and homosexuality and telling you people that you can now do them.

There isnt any lawful argument you can make in support of this abominations, but you have always done these and more IN THE DARK!

Obviously you are an homosexual, so how is it possible that you would want to Love God?

So why would you not support any and all Anti-God agitations, covered in REASONABLY sounding names as Atheist/

As I always say, ALL OF YOU WHO CALL YOURSELVES ATHEISTS ARE SIMPLY HATERS OF GOD AND HIS PERFECT LAWS THAT PROMISES JUDGEMENTS AGAINST PEOPLE WHO DO EVIL.

And you people love to do evil and [b]desire to execute them [/b]except That God's Laws (Natural Law) Wars Against you.

THIS IS THE ONLY TRUE REASON YOU PEOPLE HATE GOD AND ARE AGAINST HIM.

YOU HAVE NO OTHER ONE!

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You have come with your false and ignorant analogies again....
Satanism has alot more to do with a gathering of atheists who use satan as a SYMBOL to represent their ideologies... These atheists don't even believe in the existence of satan...but merely use him as a SYMBOL...

Symbol always means SOMETHING UNDERNEATH!
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There is ALWAYS MORE THAN THE EYE HAS SEEN!

And this is the underneath, Satan being their Symbol is thus their Idol and Mentor, and his ideologies they have modelled themselves after.

Thus Satan Worshippers, Satan Followers, and Satan Models!

You can try to dress it all you want but the Truth is that all Satanists are Lovers of Satan.

He is their Symbol as you confessed up there!

Therefore they do as He does.

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do you know what's a false dichotomy

If you knew Truly knew what False Dichotomy is then you would know that True Dichotomy, it's opposite, is Lawful, Acceptable and Allowable.

I Wrote the Textbook on Logic!

Dtruthspeaker:


The bold is what I addressed when I said "But we know who you Truly are, which is people who Hate God and His Perfect Laws that Promises Judgements Against people who do evil.

And you people love to do evil and desire to execute them except That God's Laws (Natural Law) Wars Against you."

So on this "Infact they don't even believe in the existence of satan"- we know that this is a wishful desire.

Hiss!

He wants to pull wool over the eyes of the simple.

Dtruthspeaker
Can we do a simple thought experiment...

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Misconception... Do christians literally eat and drink the blood and flesh of Jesus christ No...
It's just a symbol to represent their christian beliefs...
Thesame thing with satanism they don't really worship satan... Satan is just a figure head used to represent their ideologies and philosophies....

Are you just joining them or intend to join them or been a member who wants to recruit more members for them?

Which one are you seriously because that would say a lot about you and what kind of things you do.

To say members of the church of Satan are not satanists or worshippers of Satan, is like saying members of the church of Christ are not Christians or worshippers of Christ which would be completely ridiculous.

Members of the church of Satan are diabolical ritualists who use the blood of innocent lives for sacrificial worship of the devil.

So please let us know who you really are and stop beating around the bush.

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Dtruthspeaker

Can we do a simple thought experiment...

I have many interpretations of what you may mean by thought experiment but I am hopeful that when you present the experiment, I would know how to respond to it, so fire on!

jesusjnr2020:

...To say members of the church of Satan are not satanists or worshippers of Satan, is like saying members of the church of Christ are not Christians or worshippers of Christ which would be completely ridiculous...

Or church of football is not about football!

truespeak:


Symbol always means SOMETHING UNDERNEATH!
.
There is ALWAYS MORE THAN THE EYE HAS SEEN!

Thus worshipping Satan, who is their symbol and Idol and Mentor, whose ideologies they have modelled themselves after.

Thus Satan Worshippers, Satan Followers, and Satan Models!

You can try to dress it all you want but the Truth is that all Satanists are Lovers of Satan.

He is their Symbol as you confessed up there!

Therefore they do as He does.

Do you know that certain christian denominations like J.Witness, mormons and catholics are sometimes tagged as satanists Thoes that mean that they are worshiping satan NO....
It's just their ideologies and doctrines that make people tag satanists...

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Do you know that certain christian denominations like J.Witness, mormons and catholics are sometimes tagged as satanists Thoes that mean that they are worshiping satan NO....
It's just their ideologies and doctrines that make people tag satanists...

Change of Post!

We are not talking about the people you mentioned above but about the Church of Satan!

People who have clearly declared for Satan and whom you wickedly seek to deceive people into thinking they do not worship Satan!

So you have nothing valid to say!

Dtruthspeaker:


Or church of football is not about football!

Another false analogy....
church of football can be about people who have great knowledge on football issues like coaches, sports bookmakers, journalists and pundits but these people don't actually play football...

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Do you know that certain christian denominations like J.Witness, mormons and catholics are sometimes tagged as satanists Thoes that mean that they are worshiping satan NO....
It's just their ideologies and doctrines that make people tag satanists...

Don't forget pastors and churches.

The key of Satanism is Will Full and Deliberate Doing of A Bad/Wicked/Evil thing KNOWING THAT IT IS NOT GOOD AND LOVING TO DO THEM AND TEACHING OTHERS TO JOIN YOU INTO DOING THEM!

And here is where I found one Law I have never heard about in my almost 50 years of living until 3 or 4 weeks back.

"THOU SHALT NOT FOLLOW THE MULTITUDE TO DO EVIL" Exodus 23:2.

truespeak:


Change of Post!

We are not talking about the people you mentioned above but about the Church of Satan!

People who have clearly declared for Satan and whom you wickedly seek to deceive people into thinking they do not worship Satan!

So you have nothing valid to say!

Well good for you ...
but your opinion does'nt change the facts...
the church of satan was founded by a group of sceptical atheists and they don't worship satan as it is widely believed but rather satan is used merely as a symbol to represent their ideologies and philosophy...
More like they use satan to grab people's attention and media publicity to them just like i grabbed your attention with the headline...