KaluwisxPRO:
Who told this man that being a transgender is unnatural? This is the effect of what bobrisky has caused, making Nigerians thinks Transgenders are surgically done. (Transgender and crossdresser) I believe what this idiot meant is a cross dresser and not a trans. Because actual trans have natural organs but opposite gender hormones.

Please read an actual book and know the difference between intersex, cross dresser and transgenders and stop misinforming the public with your half brain

Why calling someone you don't know, that might even be older than your father an idiot just because he shared his or her own opinion

Jokerman:
Go read apocryphal books, and study about what the fallen Angel's and their nephilim children perpetrated on earth before God had to use the deluge to wipe out humanity?, and understand that INTERSEX or TRANSGENDER etc, is not of God...

Keep deceiving urself, hiding under one finger and being self deceit.

All these are real happenings, Bible says, God created ALL things in the universe, including satan himself.

I think we should stop being advocate of God and defending him, instead let him be our advocate and defend us.

Intersex or any deformity are creation of God , the reason for that, might not reveal unto you.

istina:
What does the bible really say about INTERSEX? By this I do not mean TRANSGENDERS who are entirely different set of people . Socrates said ‘the beginning of wisdom is definition of terms’, so for clarity purpose I think it’s best we define both terms.

TRANSGENDER: Someone appearing as, wishing to be considered as, or having undergone surgery to become a member of the opposite sex.
In a nutshell, a Transgender is someone who wishes to be considered as a member of the opposite sex.

INTERSEX: An organism possessing several sex characteristics of both male and female such as chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones or genitals. It is a situation whereby a person is born with reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn’t fit the boxes of ‘female’ or ‘male’. Think of someone with all the female physical appearance but has a penis instead of a vaginal.

One of the major differences between the two classes of people is that while INTERSEX is natural, TRANSGENDER is unnatural.

Having known the difference , the question now is what does the bible say concerning those who were naturally born as INTERSEX . Can they be Christians? Can they make heaven?

These deviations from the divine standard of Adam and Eve, are sometimes the results of demonic activity and only the saving, healing and deliverance power of the LORD Jesus can be the remedy. However being afflicted does not entirely mean you are condemned to hell or promised heaven. What determines your salvation is belief in the LORD Jesus and His sacrifice on the cross.

KaluwisxPRO:


Black people has the highest amount of Transgender in the world. Bruce is a millionaire and can afford whatever procedure he wants, hence he went for it. Natural born trans do not, Bruce and your Bobrisky are cross dressers who wishes they were Trans.

Uninformed individuals like you need to go to Vietnam and Thailand to see millions of Transgenders, then come back and tell me they all took medication. Read an actual book Mr

FYI, there are lots and lots of natural born trans in Nigeria, but our society still see them as unnatural being with our I-too-holy-better pass mentality.

How can someone be naturally born a transgender?

Jokerman:
Go read apocryphal books, and study about what the fallen Angel's and their nephilim children perpetrated on earth before God had to use the deluge to wipe out humanity?, and understand that INTERSEX or TRANSGENDER etc, is not of God...

who created intersex?

efficiencie:


These deviations from the divine standard of Adam and Eve, are sometimes the results of demonic activity and only the saving, healing and deliverance power of the LORD Jesus can be the remedy.

has it ever crossed your mind that Adam and Eve could be totally different from the present human anatomy?

istina:
What does the bible really say about INTERSEX? By this I do not mean TRANSGENDERS who are entirely different set of people . Socrates said ‘the beginning of wisdom is definition of terms’, so for clarity purpose I think it’s best we define both terms.

TRANSGENDER: Someone appearing as, wishing to be considered as, or having undergone surgery to become a member of the opposite sex.
In a nutshell, a Transgender is someone who wishes to be considered as a member of the opposite sex.

INTERSEX: An organism possessing several sex characteristics of both male and female such as chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones or genitals. It is a situation whereby a person is born with reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn’t fit the boxes of ‘female’ or ‘male’. Think of someone with all the female physical appearance but has a penis instead of a vaginal.

One of the major differences between the two classes of people is that while INTERSEX is natural, TRANSGENDER is unnatural.

Having known the difference , the question now is what does the bible say concerning those who were naturally born as INTERSEX . Can they be Christians? Can they make heaven?

Interesting topic.

I believe intersex is a birth defect like people born with four toes, cleft lips, conjoined twins, babies missing an organ/unable to perform a function etc.

Like all defects, they are to be corrected if possible by assigning them the dominant sex:

With womb ------ woman
Without womb ------ man

Justifying transgender, fluid gender & homosexuality with intersex is like creating a movement where people conjoin themselves or cut one of their toes.

Can an intersex make heaven?

Why not?

Since they were born that way, then they have no other requirements than is required of other humans:

Believe in Jesus as your Lord and Personal Savior.

lookingfly:
has it ever crossed your mind that Adam and Eve could be totally different from the present human anatomy?

I don't believe that. I believe Adam was a man (with a penis, masculine secondary characteristics) and Eve was a woman (with a vagina, a womb and other secondary feminine characteristics). The race of men had to be preserved for Jesus to be born in the form of a man for Him to be a propitiation for the sins of all men from Adam to the last born child. So despite the fact that satan tried repeated to corrupt the race of men God kept on preserving the lineage of Christ. Hence if we can conclude that Jesus (the second Adam) was made after the likeness of a Adam then by knowing the sexual characteristics of Jesus we can accurately tell the sexual characteristics of Adam himself. Jesus had a penis, evidence for this is the circumcision 8 days after birth and historical accounts of Jesus presents Him as a man like any other man of His time in terms of looks, physique or anatomy. So I can say that Adam and Eve were thr standards, Jesus came to show us proof of what an Adam could look like because Jesus had to take on the form of Adam for Him to be the sacrifice for all mankind.

Thank you, Jesus.

❤❤❤❤

wildikeman:
Doesn't that tell you you guys are confused.

I bet the bible can't explain this. Ask science.

God doesn't make mistakes they said.

Jokerman:
Go read apocryphal books, and study about what the fallen Angel's and their nephilim children perpetrated on earth before God had to use the deluge to wipe out humanity?, and understand that INTERSEX or TRANSGENDER etc, is not of God...

Any particular reference?

Transgenders Intersexes Multiple Conjoint Births and Complex Drug Involments are Results of recklessly Commiting Adulteries Fornications and unristricted drug pedlings.

After going through all this comment I can say that Christianity has held people to bondage and some sort of ignorance...
How can you boldly say an intersex individual is not a creature of God..

efficiencie:


These deviations from the divine standard of Adam and Eve, are sometimes the results of demonic activity and only the saving, healing and deliverance power of the LORD Jesus can be the remedy. However being afflicted does not entirely mean you are condemned to hell or promised heaven. What determines your salvation is belief in the LORD Jesus and His sacrifice on the cross.

I agree with you absolutely

Galatians 3:28 - ""There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

istina:
What does the bible really say about INTERSEX? By this I do not mean TRANSGENDERS who are entirely different set of people . Socrates said ‘the beginning of wisdom is definition of terms’, so for clarity purpose I think it’s best we define both terms.

TRANSGENDER: Someone appearing as, wishing to be considered as, or having undergone surgery to become a member of the opposite sex.
In a nutshell, a Transgender is someone who wishes to be considered as a member of the opposite sex.

INTERSEX: An organism possessing several sex characteristics of both male and female such as chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones or genitals. It is a situation whereby a person is born with reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn’t fit the boxes of ‘female’ or ‘male’. Think of someone with all the female physical appearance but has a penis instead of a vaginal.

One of the major differences between the two classes of people is that while INTERSEX is natural, TRANSGENDER is unnatural.

Having known the difference , the question now is what does the bible say concerning those who were naturally born as INTERSEX . Can they be Christians? Can they make heaven?

Perhaps the question should be ; Will such person make heaven if the had gone under the knife to being a male or female in a correction procedure/surgery
But to answer your question, anyone that accept Christ makes heaven...

Obakoolex:


Why calling someone you don't know, that might even be older than your father an idiot just because he shared his or her own opinion

Truth is some people are sick, I mean very sick

bukatyne:


How can someone be naturally born a transgender?

Hmm! The educator needs education SMH

istina:


So, are you saying because they were naturally born th a t way, they can't become a Christian and can't make heaven?

leave some of these people to be quoting nonsense.

Someone who never had a say in the way they were born or would be born would automatically be punished not for their decision to not accept Christ but because of actions beyond their capabilities.

Sometimes we don't need to ask these kind of questions because they're self explanatory. Never was someone's gender a condition for going to heaven, wasn't mentioned in the Bible and elsewhere. I don't know why people ask these kind of questions, I know there need for questions but a level of understanding of the Bible should clarify things without asking questions.

efficiencie:



I don't believe that. I believe Adam was a man (with a penis, masculine secondary characteristics) and Eve was a woman (with a vagina, a womb and other secondary feminine characteristics). The race of men had to be preserved for Jesus to be born in the form of a man for Him to be a propitiation for the sins of all men from Adam to the last born child. So despite the fact that satan tried repeated to corrupt the race of men God kept on preserving the lineage of Christ. Hence if we can conclude that Jesus (the second Adam) was made after the likeness of a Adam then by knowing the sexual characteristics of Jesus we can accurately tell the sexual characteristics of Adam himself. Jesus had a penis, evidence for this is the circumcision 8 days after birth and historical accounts of Jesus presents Him as a man like any other man of His time in terms of looks, physique or anatomy. So I can say that Adam and Eve were thr standards, Jesus came to show us proof of what an Adam could look like because Jesus had to take on the form of Adam for Him to be the sacrifice for all mankind.

You nailed it sir. No answer can explain that funny question more than this.
How can anyone even think that God that created the first human in His message will create with some deforms ?? It is honestly very funny to say the least

bukatyne:


Interesting topic.

I believe intersex is a birth defect like people born with four toes, cleft lips, conjoined twins, babies missing an organ/unable to perform a function etc.

Like all defects, they are to be corrected if possible by assigning them the dominant sex:

With womb ------ woman
Without womb ------ man

Justifying transgender, fluid gender & homosexuality with intersex is like creating a movement where people conjoin themselves or cut one of their toes.

Can an intersex make heaven?

Why not?

Since they were born that way, then they have no other requirements than is required of other humans:

Believe in Jesus as your Lord and Personal Savior.

I don't know where you got this logic from that womb=woman.Do you realise that there are some women born without a womb.

bukatyne:


How can someone be naturally born a transgender?

The same reason people are born intersex, twins, conjoined as well as with other birth deformities

Righteousness2:
This is God's Standard of Creation. GOD did not create anyone to be Intersex. GOD is not a Confusionist.

Genesis 1:26-27
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Any other thing is an act of the Enemy Probably due to Foundations, Curses, Entanglements with demonic Kingdoms, Marine Powers, etc
If such persons submits to GOD Genuiely , HE will step in and rectify the abnormally .

This is the most senseless take I've seen you posted.. Can't you just reason beyond your religious prison for once?!

henryobinna:
The problem you have is you don't know the appropriate word/term to use. The 'trans' in the word literally means they transferring or moving from one gender to another. If they were born naturally that way why then do they need to 'transfer' to another gender( so to speak)?



The people you're talking about I believe are those this thread is specifically discussing about and that is intersex, those who were naturally born with both reproductive organs or features.


The other group are people who were born a particular gender(sex) say Male but feel like and wish to be the other gender(female) those are transgender and Bruce is one of those and not even Bobrisky as I'm not sure has undergone any surgery like Bruce.

I'm aware that sometimes intersex people are sometimes considered as transgender but on this discussion that's not what we're talking about as we've already classified them as intersex (and they're naturally born).

I don't even see the essence of the insults.

Intersex are with both organs, trans are with physical features but opposite hormones, how Tf is that hard for you to understand?

Grucho1:
intersex is a medical condition (congenital anomaly)do well to read and educate before commenting or better still shut the f**k up

i tell you bro. It's ridiculously appalling to say the least. They don't see things from a logical perspective but their brain is so dead in religion

KaluwisxPRO:


Intersex are with both organs, trans are with physical features but opposite hormones, how Tf is that hard for you to understand?

As it stands right now, trans is anyone that claims to feel like the other gender. I'm a man, but if tomorrow I decide to claim I feel like I was born in the wrong body and start the transition process medically. I would be considered transgender.

Hormones you have has little to do with it, it's all about what you feel. If they really had the hormones as you claimed, those hormones would propel their body to develop as their desired gender.

Let's put it this way, if they were a man and they have female hormones(estrogen) in them, their body would start developing the way that of a woman's should. An example is development of breasts. The fact they don't develop any of these shows they have normal level of the opposite hormones in their body.

If it's a woman that supposedly has the male hormones (testosterone) they'll develop as a man, that is no or very very little breasts, masculine physical structure, baritone voice, much more facial hair than usual and a lot more.

But unfortunately most of them usually develop as the gender they were born with. And later in life decide to switch.

This decision to switch is usually as a result of many things which this thread is not about.

I had this argument with a friend very recently. I asked him, were all being created by God? Because i don't understand why a perfect God would create some humans with great deformity that sometimes lead to their death.
He said yes, that God created all beings but those with deformities he created for a reason. The reason being that his name could be glorified.
Lmao i was like seriously This religious folks won't seize to amaze me!
I'm a Christian, but I don't let my Christianity becloud my reasoning!

henryobinna:
As it stands right now, trans is anyone that claims to feel like the other gender. I'm a man, but if tomorrow I decide to claim I feel like I was born in the wrong body and start the transition process medically. I would be considered transgender.

Hormones you have has little to do with it, it's all about what you feel. If they really had the hormones as you claimed, those hormones would propel their body to develop as their desired gender.

Let's put it this way, if they were a man and they have female hormones(estrogen) in them, their body would start developing the way that of a woman's should. An example is development of breasts. The fact they don't develop any of these shows they have normal level of the opposite hormones in their body.

If it's a woman that supposedly has the male hormones (testosterone) they'll develop as a man, that is no or very very little breasts, masculine physical structure, baritone voice, much more facial hair than usual and a lot more.

But unfortunately most of them usually develop as the gender they were born with. And later in life decide to switch.

This decision to switch is usually as a result of many things which this thread is not about.

You are misinformed Mr, stop disturbing yourself with the epistle

KaluwisxPRO:


You are misinformed Mr, stop disturbing yourself with the epistle

maybe I wasted my time with you.

Pharaoh4rin:


Any particular reference?

Book ofEnoch
Book of Asher
Book of the jubilee

ojuu4u:



Keep deceiving urself, hiding under one finger and being self deceit.

All these are real happening, Bible says God created ALL things in the universe, including satan himself.

I think we should stop be advocate of God and defend him, instead let him be our advocate a d defend us.

Intersex or any deformity are creation of God , the reason for that, might not reveal unto you.

Some things aren't creation of God... fallen angels corrupted the human race

EngtTemmy:

Can you send me the link or the file to the book

Type book of Asher; Book of Enoch, Book of the jubilee, on Google