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Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Workch: 7:27pm On Nov 09, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


That's not true! As Evident by their continuous attack and unwarranted insults, we are a great and painfull Annoyance to you Anti-God, most especially when we do not remember you people exist but we are happy to hear your entertaining cries and queries.

It surely reminds people of how Fear Full and God is and His Fulfillment of His Prophecies.

And nairaland would be boring without you guys to spruce it up! grin

So keep it coming boys! grin grin it's great to be here in Nairaland Religion. grin And this is where the action is.

Car talk used to be like this but God's Plagues has dried it up, grin people no dey spoil dia moto to buy anoda one angry

But in religion with you people, there is no dull moment. grin

So workch on! grin
Repent and accept the Flying Spaghetti Monster as your lord and personal Saviour.
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Dtruthspeaker: 7:34pm On Nov 09, 2021
LordReed:

Then you an atheist. Atheists brush their teeth every morning, take their baths, eat breakfast and go to work, same as you therefore you're an atheist! LMAO!

grin wow! You too have become crazy desperate as to stoop so low into the depths of ridiculousness just to say something? grin

Madness don catch SatanReed aka Madreed! grin grin
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Dtruthspeaker: 7:41pm On Nov 09, 2021
Workch:
Repent and accept the Flying Spaghetti Monster as your lord and personal Saviour.

grin Madman don open mouth again oo oo oooh! grin

Madman don start to mad again O! grin
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Dtruthspeaker: 7:47pm On Nov 09, 2021
kingxsamz:


Don't force it bro. cheesy
You can masturbate over the thought of me being bothered about your posts all you want, still doesn't change the fact that I didn't read nor care care about your epistles.

grin I know I said you could have the last word but I find it quite irresistible and entertaining that you are in great pain over my posts even after about 3 hours ago! grin grin grin

Men, e pain you die! grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by kingxsamz(m): 7:59pm On Nov 09, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


grin I know I said you could have the last word but I find it quite irresistible and entertaining that you are in great pain over my posts even after about 3 hours ago! grin grin grin

Men, e pain you die! grin grin grin grin grin grin
Lol, funny guy, you keep exciting yourself for no reason thinking one is really bothered about you just to make yourself feel better.
I thought that was your last post. If you weren't so bothered, why did you Reply again? Even with the multiple forced emojis? cheesy
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by LordReed(m): 8:03pm On Nov 09, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


grin wow! You too have become crazy desperate as to stoop so low into the depths of ridiculousness just to say something? grin

Madness don catch SatanReed aka Madreed! grin grin

You mad pass me well well. You labelled someone an atheist when they are not and despite being corrected you persisted with illogical leaps of nonsense reasoning, is that not the definition of madness. LMFAO!
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Workch: 8:05pm On Nov 09, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


grin Madman don open mouth again oo oo oooh! grin

Madman don start to mad again O! grin
The flying spaghetti monster loves you
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:37pm On Nov 09, 2021
LordReed:

You mad pass me well well. You labelled someone an atheist when they are not and despite being corrected you persisted with illogical leaps of nonsense reasoning, is that not the definition of madness. LMFAO!

grin. SEE CHANGE OF POST FROM CRAZILY SAYING EVERY HUMAN ACTIVITY IS ATHEISM grin grin (oh Madness grin) to giving me a stupid and unfounded correction grin

Boy, NO SHOW, NO ROAD! grin grin
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:45pm On Nov 09, 2021
kingxsamz:

Lol, funny guy, you keep exciting yourself for no reason thinking one is really bothered about you just to make yourself feel better.
I thought that was your last post. If you weren't so bothered, why did you Reply again? Even with the multiple forced emojis? cheesy

grin grin grin grin Oh Sammyboy, why doth thou increaseth thy sorrow and thy pain? grin grin grin

Art thou not able to make thyself happy? grin grin Sammy boy, just stop tickling me! grin grin grin
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by LordReed(m): 8:52pm On Nov 09, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


grin. SEE CHANGE OF POST FROM CRAZILY SAYING EVERY HUMAN ACTIVITY IS ATHEISM grin grin (oh Madness grin) to giving me a stupid and unfounded correction grin

Boy, NO SHOW, NO ROAD! grin grin


Oga you mad well well na. You were wrong, you were corrected, you persist in your error because...? Madness defined. LoL
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:57pm On Nov 09, 2021
LordReed:


Oga you mad well well na. You were wrong, you were corrected, you persist in your error because...? Madness defined. LoL

grin Boy, NO SHOW, NO ROAD! grin grin
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by IMAliyu(m): 9:05pm On Nov 09, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


I said "queries" and not "enquiries".

Secondly, stop acting as though you just joined nairaland whereas you have participated in countless attacks on Bible's report about the creation of this world while defending the Lie of Evolution.

So this is not a fresh debate and right now, it is your evolution that is being torn apart, with the very same weapons you and your kind used against the Bible which you have all conveniently "failed to ask" when it came to your evolution.

So exactly as you told those churchgoers who did not know their stuff, I tell it to you, either you address those issues I raised or hold your peace for WE ALL KNOW THAT EVOLUTION IS A LIE! EVEN WORKCH CONFESSED THIS IN ONE THREAD SOME TIME BACK.

For the avoidance of doubt, did I not put this to you

"Does this not sound like a very convenient Lie?

Exactly as you query the Bible. Ape no one has seen except the writers of your Bible (geologist and all).

And they could all be Lying and are Lying because they do not want men Following God.

Is this not exactly the argument you raised against the Bible and God Followers?"

and your response was to PLAY AVOIDANCE, which of course I expected because you did not expect this line of attack?

The bolded does not even make any grammatical sense, I hope I'm not the only one that has a hard time deriving any meaning from that sentence. Lordreed, OP Steep can you help, I hope I'm not just impared here.

On the subject of offense. You think too much of yourselves, to think me clarifying a misconception is an attack on you (Bible literalists). If it's an attack, then I don't think it's exclusive to just Bible believers, it extends to every religious literalists out there.

"A correction, humans are still apes, what evolution states is all apes descend from a common ancestor. The evidence for this is the genetic data, anatomical similarities between all apes, and fossil findings."
I assume the quoted is the cause of your discomfort.

You claim evolution is a lie in light of my statement above, so let's examine it. My problem is you did not display any science literacy the last time we had this discussion to even get anywhere.

"humans are still apes" the definition of ape is in one of the last mentions. Is the statement a lie based on that definition? or provide a different definition if the one I provided is false.
If you don't like it and want to challenge the categorization of humans as apes. A career in Taxonomy awaits you.

"All apes descend from a common ancestor" mind explaining where the lie is about this statement?
A question you avoided last time, "do you consider paternity tests to be reliable (real)?" We accept that through DNA tests we can tell the father, grandfather of a child and that DNA is reliable source of information to determining biological relations and ancestry that extends to family, to tribe/ethnicity, to race, and ultimately to a species and that the amount of 'genetic divergence' present within each of the subgrouping increases with each level higher. Meaning the genetic similarity of isolated groups decreases overtime (due to mutation, and selection pressures), but the percentage of existing similarity shows a shared lineage that branched off.

In simple terms you share more genes in common with your fellow tribes man, than with let's say a man from Mongolia, but your genes would still be close enough for both of you to be humans (homo sapians) and points to you sharing a common ancestor.
Or say the different types of ants, and their similarity with certain other insects.

Now that I've explained all that, "all apes share a common ancestor"
Do humans not share Genetic similarities of up to 96% with specifically chimps and bonobos for example. At the same time being the only living creature with which humans have the most common anatomical features with?
And this percentage keeps dropping with each step back or away in the taxonomical grouping one would take.
This all points to a common ancestry for all life on this planet.

From the facts established, would you still make the 'common creator' argument?

Because life doesn't seem static, but ever changing and morphing, we haven't witnessed a supernatural entity create a new life in isolation, all observation point to biological life emerging and differentiating from already existing life.
Covid19 didn't pop into existence from nowhere, but was a strain of already existing Corona viruses in animals, that mutated and learned to attack human tissue.

Let me make another clarification on evolution I've noticed. Evolution doesn't claim the origin of life (that's a different theory), but the origin and diversity of species.

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Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by kingxsamz(m): 9:11pm On Nov 09, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


grin grin grin grin Oh Sammyboy, why doth thou increaseth thy sorrow and thy pain? grin grin grin

Art thou not able to make thyself happy? grin grin Sammy boy, just stop tickling me! grin grin grin




Your too many emojis just proves my point.
Stop trying too hard . cheesy
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Dtruthspeaker: 9:19pm On Nov 09, 2021
kingxsamz:


Your too many emojis just proves my point.
Stop trying too hard . cheesy

grin grin grin grin grin Sammy boy, lessen your pain, just chill. Your pain might lessen tomorrow! grin grin grin cheesy grin grin
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Dtruthspeaker: 9:25pm On Nov 09, 2021
IMAliyu:

The bolded does not even make any grammatical sense, I hope I'm not the only one that has a hard time deriving any meaning from that sentence. Lordreed, OP Steep can you help, I hope I'm not just impared here.

Ali, this topic has expired. And there is nothing you can do to alter what has been laid down already.
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Nothingserious: 9:49pm On Nov 09, 2021
XXXXTENTACION:
If they was a creator what makes you think that creator is God...

Well that being that created all things is the being called God.

In any realm of existence where it could be imagined that a being started and caused all things, that is the being referred to as God.

Ultimate cause, ultimate causation, God, causeless cause, Intelligent causation, intelligent designer etc. is what is called God.
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Nothingserious: 9:52pm On Nov 09, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


grin Madman don open mouth again oo oo oooh! grin

Madman don start to mad again O! grin

That funny guy?
His statement anywhere can never be complete without spaghetti. And then he will start begging you to teach him how to prove the existence of spaghetti.

I guess he is doing a PhD research on spaghetti.
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by XXXXTENTACION: 9:56pm On Nov 09, 2021
Nothingserious:


Well that being that created all things is the being called God.

In any realm of existence where it could be imagined that a being started and caused all things, that is the being referred to as God.

Ultimate cause, ultimate causation, God, causeless cause, Intelligent causation, intelligent designer etc. is what is called God.
How did God come into existence....
did God come out of nothing...
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Nothingserious: 9:58pm On Nov 09, 2021
Workch:
I don’t know if the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn’t exist, if I have to accept your narrative, I will also accept theirs.

I’m an convinced theirs is more correct than yours at least they presented some statistics and data grin

Spaghetti ambassador, we do not have problems with your obsession with spaghetti.
You are free to meet spaghetti worshippers and continue the discussion with them.

But just so you know, no one really cares about spaghetti. All eyes are focused on Yahweh God.
That explains your obsession with every post about him. That explains your sleepless nights spent on research about God. That explains your long hours of work put into studying objections about Christianity, objections about the Bible , and Jesus Christ.

Till tomorrow, you will keep gleaning through scientific and philosophical texts searching for the latest arguments against God. Lol

I only wish you could spend that amount of time on your spaghetti fantasy with spaghetti worshippers. They should be a million of them around you.
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by LordReed(m): 9:59pm On Nov 09, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


grin Boy, NO SHOW, NO ROAD! grin grin

Oga dey chop your madness dey go. LMFAO!
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Nothingserious: 10:00pm On Nov 09, 2021
XXXXTENTACION:
How did God come into existence....
did God come out of nothing...

God is at the end of the chain of all causations.
He is described as transcendental, timeless, immaterial and supernatural.

If you can imagine any realm of existence where something could have started all of this, that is God.
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by XXXXTENTACION: 10:05pm On Nov 09, 2021
Nothingserious:


God is at the end of the chain of all causations.
He is described as transcendental, timeless, immaterial and supernatural.

If you can imagine any realm of existence where something could have started all of this, that is God.
The key word is "imagine" you can only imagine it but it does not exist... undecided

Everything that exists has a creator now who created God ?
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Workch: 10:22pm On Nov 09, 2021
Nothingserious:


Spaghetti ambassador, we do not have problems with your obsession with spaghetti.
You are free to meet spaghetti worshippers and continue the discussion with them.

But just so you know, no one really cares about spaghetti. All eyes are focused on Yahweh God.
That explains your obsession with every post about him. That explains your sleepless nights spent on research about God. That explains your long hours of work put into studying objections about Christianity, objections about the Bible , and Jesus Christ.

Till tomorrow, you will keep gleaning through scientific and philosophical texts searching for the latest arguments against God. Lol

I only wish you could spend that amount of time on your spaghetti fantasy with spaghetti worshippers. They should be a million of them around you.
Flying Spaghetti Monster loves you, accept him and know peace
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Nothingserious: 10:30pm On Nov 09, 2021
XXXXTENTACION:
The key word is "imagine" you can only imagine it but it does not exist... undecided

Everything that exists has a creator now who created God ?

That means you didn’t even understand what I meant by “imagining in all possible worlds”. Lol

Key phrase: in all possible worlds...
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by LordReed(m): 10:33pm On Nov 09, 2021
IMAliyu:

The bolded does not even make any grammatical sense, I hope I'm not the only one that has a hard time deriving any meaning from that sentence. Lordreed, OP Steep can you help, I hope I'm not just impared here.

.

LoL! He writes like a JSS3 student furiously trying to impress his penpal. He was trying to say that the ape-human ancestral relationship and the evidence was fabricated by scientists.
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by XXXXTENTACION: 10:34pm On Nov 09, 2021
Nothingserious:


That means you didn’t even understand what I meant by “imagining in all possible worlds”. Lol

Key phrase: in all possible worlds...
the last time I checked we have only one world.... undecided
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Nothingserious: 10:56pm On Nov 09, 2021
XXXXTENTACION:
the last time I checked we have only one world.... undecided

Na waoooo.

I don’t know how else to explain “ in all possible worlds...”
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by XXXXTENTACION: 10:59pm On Nov 09, 2021
Nothingserious:


Na waoooo.

I don’t know how else to explain “ in all possible worlds...”
Only one world exist they is no other possible world to talk about .... Kwantinue with your explanation...
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Nothingserious: 11:02pm On Nov 09, 2021
IMAliyu:

The bolded does not even make any grammatical sense, I hope I'm not the only one that has a hard time deriving any meaning from that sentence. Lordreed, OP Steep can you help, I hope I'm not just impared here.

On the subject of offense. You think too much of yourselves, to think me clarifying a misconception is an attack on you (Bible literalists). If it's an attack, then I don't think it's exclusive to just Bible believers, it extends to every religious literalists out there.

"A correction, humans are still apes, what evolution states is all apes descend from a common ancestor. The evidence for this is the genetic data, anatomical similarities between all apes, and fossil findings."
I assume the quoted is the cause of your discomfort.

You claim evolution is a lie in light of my statement above, so let's examine it. My problem is you did not display any science literacy the last time we had this discussion to even get anywhere.

"humans are still apes" the definition of ape is in one of the last mentions. Is the statement a lie based on that definition? or provide a different definition if the one I provided is false.
If you don't like it and want to challenge the categorization of humans as apes. A career in Taxonomy awaits you.

"All apes descend from a common ancestor" mind explaining where the lie is about this statement?
A question you avoided last time, "do you consider paternity tests to be reliable (real)?" We accept that through DNA tests we can tell the father, grandfather of a child and that DNA is reliable source of information to determining biological relations and ancestry that extends to family, to tribe/ethnicity, to race, and ultimately to a species and that the amount of 'genetic divergence' present within each of the subgrouping increases with each level higher. Meaning the genetic similarity of isolated groups decreases overtime (due to mutation, and selection pressures), but the percentage of existing similarity shows a shared lineage that branched off.

In simple terms you share more genes in common with your fellow tribes man, than with let's say a man from Mongolia, but your genes would still be close enough for both of you to be humans (homo sapians) and points to you sharing a common ancestor.
Or say the different types of ants, and their similarity with certain other insects.

Now that I've explained all that, "all apes share a common ancestor"
Do humans not share Genetic similarities of up to 96% with specifically chimps and bonobos for example. At the same time being the only living creature with which humans have the most common anatomical features with?
And this percentage keeps dropping with each step back or away in the taxonomical grouping one would take.
This all points to a common ancestry for all life on this planet.

From the facts established, would you still make the 'common creator' argument?

Because life doesn't seem static, but ever changing and morphing, we haven't witnessed a supernatural entity create a new life in isolation, all observation point to biological life emerging and differentiating from already existing life.
Covid19 didn't pop into existence from nowhere, but was a strain of already existing Corona viruses in animals, that mutated and learned to attack human tissue.

Let me make another clarification on evolution I've noticed. Evolution doesn't claim the origin of life (that's a different theory), but the origin and diversity of species.

That apes share 96% DNA with humans does not make apes 96% humans.

Same with cows, banana, potatoes, strawberries etc that share DNAs with humans from 25% up. These below aren’t 25-97% humans.
So the DNA argument is weak.


The percentage of genetic similarities between humans and animals does vary: chimps, 97% similar; cats, 90%; cows, 80%; mice, 75%; fruit flies, 60%, and jellyfish, 60%
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by Nothingserious: 11:03pm On Nov 09, 2021
XXXXTENTACION:
Only one world exist they is no other possible world to talk about .... Kwantinue with your explanation...

“In any possible world...in all POSSIBLE worlds...”
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by kingxsamz(m): 11:05pm On Nov 09, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:


grin grin grin grin grin Sammy boy, lessen your pain, just chill. Your pain might lessen tomorrow! grin grin grin cheesy grin grin

Trying too hard. cheesy
Re: Science Does Not Disprove The Existence Of A Creator But Establishes it. by XXXXTENTACION: 11:07pm On Nov 09, 2021
Nothingserious:


“In any possible world...in all POSSIBLE worlds...”
but we have only one world na...
anyaway continue...

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