sonmvayina:
Who is Jesus?

tctrills:
I am not aiming to incite a religious conflict or get people to denounce or criticize a specific religious group. For the purpose of illuminating the essential characteristics of the Church of God, we must go to God's word for guidance. Keep in mind that the Bible says that by their fruits ye shall know them. What characteristics can you look for in a group that claims to be a genuine expression of Christianity?

Janosky:

Only JEHOVAH'S servants,Acts 3:13,Isaiah 43:10,21(ASV).
Acts 15:14-18, John 9:4,chosen to bear His name, Numbers 6:27 & 2 Chronicles 7:14.

Janosky:


Only JEHOVAH'S servants,Acts 3:13,Isaiah 43:10,21(ASV).
Acts 15:14-18, John 9:4,chosen to bear His name, Numbers 6:27 & 2 Chronicles 7:14.

MaxInDHouse:

Well Isaiah called him the Wonderful Counselor and Prince of Peace!
I don't think peace can be possible in this world without such a King! Isaiah 9:6-7

Jesus returned in the year 1914 and ever since then he has been gathering his subjects under one umbrella that's why we now have over 8 million people from different races throughout the earth practicing what he taught, they are Jehovah's Witnesses.
Good! Please write such a book and make it work out then you'll have proved that we don't really need Jesus, until then Jesus remains the one and only Prince who can bring about Peace!

After the death of the first pioneers of Christianity a Roman emperor diplomatically seized the opportunity to expand his Kingdom that's why Roman Catholic Church is known till today but that's not what Jesus taught. So it was after 1914 when Jesus returned in spirit that what he taught began manifesting again as he gathered faithful people throughout the earth under one umbrella known as Jehovah's Witnesses. Just organize people who believe in what you're saying and let's see how things work out, then Jesus can be forgotten but until then Jesus is Lord over 8, 700, 000 people who are fully prepared to live by his teachings!

You always end up insulting people when they disagree with you but try to grow up, you can't continue insulting people simply because they don't buy your idea, first make your idea work just like the Wright Brothers and leave people who will not travel in your flying vessel!

sonmvayina:

Lol..Isaiah was talking about king Hezekiah. We have been through this before.
Why don't you start from chapter 1 to see his area of concentration..

Kobojunkie:
Why bother about a one you have no care for?

MaxInDHouse:


Just present the group practicing what you're saying and leave the rest for observers to choose after all you said "we are all Gods"
You said you can write a story like harry potter or spiderman and use it to make people drop their weapons throughout the earth!
Hen, let's see how it works nah!

MaxInDHouse:


Just present the group practicing what you're saying and leave the rest for observers to choose after all you said "we are all Gods"
You said you can write a story like harry potter or spiderman and use it to make people drop their weapons throughout the earth!
Hen, let's see how it works nah!

sonmvayina:

MaxInDHouse,what is the difference between you that is religiously following the dictates of what your idol says and a Muslim that is religiously following what his prophet says...?

MaxInDHouse:

The difference is i have a global family of peace loving worshipers who will never raise weapons against anyone and that i can vouch for anywhere in the world that if i'm stranded they will treat me like a brother in their homes. Muslims have millions of their brothers and sisters begging in the streets throughout the world all because they are stranded!
That's what Jesus promised me that no religionist on this planet can have! Mark 10:29-30

sonmvayina:

How long was the new testament before the JW came to the scene??

sonmvayina:

Almagiri is part of the Muslim religion
So I don't see how that will fly..
So tell, try again.

MaxInDHouse:

Well if you don't SEE a difference between a group where there are no street beggars and the group where millions are begging in the streets, then you don't know the type of God i love to worship because no worshipers of my own God will beg in the streets, that's a promise fulfilled:

The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. Psalms 23:1

I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread. Psalms 37:25 KJV

You can now resort to insults as usual!

MaxInDHouse:

JWs have been since the time of Abel, Satan kept intercepting pure worship and devastating the gathering of those practicing it. When Jesus came in the first century he told us that Satan will still devastate pure worship once again {Matthew 13:25} but that will be the last time because by the time he (Jesus) return he will recognize his group never to be devastated again, that's the time people throughout the world will see the glory of God's son as adherents of pure worship will form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally! John 17:20-23 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4
So JWs have been there all along {Hebrews 11:4-32; 12:1} but it's in our generation that Jehovah's word is fulfilling as we connect ourselves globally teaching ourselves the laws of our God and living like one family! Zephaniah 3:9

sonmvayina:

I am not asking you to judge..live that to me. Because I asked the question. What us the difference between you religiously following your idol and what he says And a Muslim religiously following his prophet and his God and what he says? I just want you to understand that it is not about belonging in a group with ignorantly following what the group says. But actually obeying God's laws which entail forbidden of idolatry...

MaxInDHouse:


The problem here is you don't know the result of idolatry in the midst of those practicing it.
So you can call any religion that doesn't agree with your thinking "IDOLATRY"
Instead of calling a religion names intelligent people think about the result in the society.
You said what humans need is a system where we can cohabit peacefully and i present what is working out fine among Jehovah's Witnesses but instead of talking about the result which you first preferred now you're going back to blind arguments.
Idolatry can be any RELIGION including yours but EVIDENCE is what we need not assertions.

sonmvayina:

Lol...was it not guy Taz or whatever his name is that formed the watch tower group that layer became Jehovah's Witnesses?
Just quit lying and being dishonest.

sonmvayina:

So do you think ..Buddhist who peacefully follow Buddha and creating peace in their society are on the right track?

MaxInDHouse:

If it's guy Taze why not form yours and let's see the result?
This is what i've been telling you all these while.
Go and form your own or point to a better performing group, instead it's insult all the time. I believe in God, i honour my parents, i don't steal, i don't commit adultery, i don't long for other people's possessions, i do everything my God says but you keep saying i should leave all that to do what exactly?

MaxInDHouse:

If they're truly peaceful and helping people in their neighbourhood to become peaceful they would have reached my place before JWs did!

Buddhism has been there far more than 400 years before Jesus was born yet nobody knows or heard of Buddha in my home town and villages. But JWs are everywhere! Act 1:8

Surely spirit pass spirit!

sonmvayina:

You don't need to be in a group to do them
You don't certainly need Jesus in the mix.
God gave us all those already. He placed both good and evil in front of us, we are expected to choose. But he encouraged us to choose good..
No Jesus
No group.
One human being at a time.

sonmvayina:

There is only one actually .
I embodied the totality of it.
Which entails knowledge of both good and evil (Isaiah 45:7) and lamentation 3:38 ....
Not just only God that you are expressing ...
That's the difference between you and me.

MaxInDHouse:


I appreciate that difference since we can both live peacefully without hurting each other after all there is difference everywhere the major problem is how to cohabit peacefully with our neighbours, if our difference doesn't make us think alike it's OK i can associate with people with whom i share the same line of thought "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"
I hope there is no crime committed nah!

sonmvayina:

No crime...if you actually witness for jehovah..
And don't associate literal son to him
Or him impregnating another man's wife
Or him asking for a Ransome. By a human sacrifice.
Those idea are nauseating, that's just what I think you are not doing right.

sonmvayina:

We were having an intelligent conversation..since we both understand God and the tanakh. You then introduced a new character. I only asked you to define your character...that should not be hard. Let's me ask again.
Who is Jesus,why is he relevant to any thing. Why do you want me to take serious what somebody wrote about him? For all that is worth, the author could be writting a fictional story.

sonmvayina:

MaxInDHouse,what is the difference between you that is religiously following the dictates of what your idol says and a Muslim that is religiously following what his prophet says...?

sonmvayina:

No crime...if you actually witness for jehovah..
And don't associate literal son to him
Or him impregnating another man's wife
Or him asking for a Ransome. By a human sacrifice.
Those idea are nauseating, that's just what I think you are not doing right.

MaxInDHouse:


There you go again!

I don't think you know what you're saying, if everyone has what it takes to be good then why are we locking ourselves behind burglaries and high fence?
Well it's Jesus that led me into knowing how to cohabit peacefully with my own neighbours so go and assist those making life miserable for their fellowman at least you can start from there. I am OK at least from the standpoint of every sane human, don't worry about my Jesus that doesn't pose a threat to anyone!

MaxInDHouse:


When Jesus commissioned this movement known as Jehovah's Witnesses today our first century Jewish brothers in Christ kept wondering how the movement will fare in later times when they're all gone. Jesus reassuring words is that God's Holy Spirit (Active Force) will continue to guide his own true followers till the end so that the PEACE he brought will continue to reign amongst them. John 14:26-27

So no matter what you think in your mind against pure worship you will be confused when asked to table your grievances because you will start contradicting yourself in a bid to condemn the Christians.
Note how you've been accusing me of being intolerant whereas i tolerate all school of thought as long as you're not hurting your neighbours. After our long discussion you have come out to prove before everyone that it's you that's intolerant towards your neighbour simply because of his beliefs!


I said "those USELESS Jews infused hatred for Jesus and his disciples in your brains" because that was exactly what was recorded about the Jews back then! Act 4:18; 5:28
I just hope you'll learn to tolerate everyone around you no matter what they say about their God or beliefs since they're not posing a threat to anyone!

Kobojunkie:
You, having an intelligent conversation?

You understand God and His Old Covenant Law of Moses? The same agreement you believe God to have falsely claimed to belong only to those of Jewish birth in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20?

Again, why bother about a one you have clearly made known you have no care for?