Kobojunkie:
1. Where the words I believed in the words of His apostles, or His Words?

2. When Jesus Christ spoke of His flock in John 10, He indeed meant the feeding and caring of His flock. Read what God also said of His flock in Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 16.

The Church that belongs to Jesus Christ is comprised of His followers who He manages and monitors Himself, living according the Will of God(submit to Obey the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ) , and doing works of Righteousness as lead by the Spirit of God. Yes, they all feed and care for the others, just as Jesus Christ instructed.

3a. Peter was not the only one given instructions to feed and care for the others by Jesus Christ since this same teaching was taught by Jesus Christ on more than one occasion to His followers.

3b. As I said before, Jesus Christ started with 12 who He then sent out to preach the Gospel to the unbelievers in the land, this as they became ready to go out . Eventually, Jesus Christ sent out 72 that were ready enough to go preach the Gospel to the unbelievers. The same commandment applies to all those who are ready to go out, and this from Him.

As you can see, unlike what is practiced in your churches today, you don't just go out to preach to unbelievers because you believe. The Teacher, Jesus Christ is instead meant to send us out to doing this when He deems us ready to go out.

As for God and Jesus Christ being the only Teacher to those in His New Covenant, it is made very clear in the New Covenant - Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10, the boldest declaration of all.

Thank you for defining rabbi. His apostles were not teachers of the jewish law.

2. Do you have any scripture of Jesus Christ sending all his followers to teach? The bible records all those he send so where did you read that all those who believe in him were sent out. The Bible clearly told us those who he sent out to preach and baptize. Let's not add to the bible.

3. You claim God was telling his servants in ezekiel 34 to physically feed the believers and same with Peter. If so you mean the purpose of calling apostles was to provide food for the followers right?

tctrills:
1. I think you are confusing issues. Every Christian believes in Christ not his Apostles. And your ideas are not based in scripture. I understand that you are entitled to your opinion.

2. No where in the scriptures were you told to believe the apostles until you become a Christian then you stop believing. To me, it's a strange and funny teaching.

I am not in anyway confusing issues...just making things clear is all..

1. You claim every Christian believes in Jesus Christ and not in His apostles, yet if you asked 10 Christians of what Jesus Christ taught us on a given topic, chances are all 10 will tell you of what one of His disciples supposedly wrote in their epistles instead of what Jesus Christ in fact quoted as actually saying on the very issue. Most Christians know what Paul supposedly said on matters but have near no clue what Jesus Christ in fact said, if at all, on the very same.

And as Jesus Christ said over and over, those who are of Him, are those who obey His teachings and commandments- not the doctrines and traditions of men, including men such as His apostles. Those who trust in Jesus Christ are those who do as Jesus Christ says.

2. No where in scripture are you even told to believe the apostles to begin with.

Every follower of Jesus Christ is sent out as if a Servant to deliver the Master's message to everyone who will hear. The message you believe is that which the Master gave to the servant and only that. The servant his identity, etc., means nothing since it is His Master that should be of value to you or not.

sonmvayina:


Lol
.life has no beginning and no end. It's a circle..we go and come. Till we get it right and exit the matrix..
We are all God's breath experiencing life as ourselves. The purpose is to achieve unity and become one indivisible entity.

Forget the bull crap the authors of the Jesus story put in his mouth. Those are pagan ideas that are contrary to the will of our creator. It is better you be alone and keep his commandments than be in a group that worships an idol because they entice you with a promise of peace...it's all an illusion..wake up from it.

No problem, you were a prince among Ibos in your past life, and now you're back among the Ibos again, shey?
You have no problem!

tctrills:
1. Thank you for defining rabbi. His apostles were not teachers of the jewish law.

2. Do you have any scripture of Jesus Christ sending all his followers to teach? The bible records all those he send so where did you read that all those who believe in him were sent out. The Bible clearly told us those who he sent out to preach and baptize. Let's not add to the bible.

3. You claim God was telling his servants in ezekiel 34 to physically feed the believers and same with Peter. If so you mean the purpose of calling apostles was to provide food for the followers right?

1. Jesus Christ wasn't a Teacher of the Jewish Law yet His disciples caller Him Rabbi. They obviously didn't call Him that because He was Jewish.

2. Jesus Christ said those who love Him are those who obey His commandments - His friends are those who do as He asks - and He did command His followers, the 12, then the 72, to go out and teach teach Gospel to the unbelievers, did He not - John 14 vs 15 - 25 & John 15 vs 14 ?

3. God/Jesus Christ is the one and only Shepherd over His flock - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 16 and John 10 vs 1 - 16. We are all all us sheep , and workers/servants in His flock , and our job is to obey the Master's commandments and do the work He has given us to do.

We are tasked with the work of providing food, drink, clothing, home, care, and visitation for those in need of it. No one will enter into Heaven without doing these things - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 . That is how important of a Job this is that we have been given.

Kobojunkie:
1. Neither was Jesus Christ a Teacher of the Jewish Law yet His disciples caller Him Rabbi.

2. Jesus Christ said those who love Him are those who obey His commandments - His friends are those who do as He asks - and He did command His followers, the 12, then the 72, to go out and teach teach Gospel to the unbelievers, did He not - John 14 vs 15 - 25 & John 15 vs 14 ? He did not command his followers to teach the gospel, he chose from among his followers. In fact, it was just his 12 disciples he was speaking to in John 14 and 15

3. God/Jesus Christ is the one and only Shepherd over His flock - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 16 and John 10 vs 1 - 16. We are all all us sheep , and workers/servants in His flock , and our job is to obey the Master's commandments and do the work He has given us to do.

We are tasked with the work of providing food, drink, clothing, home, care, and visitation for those in need of it. No one will enter into Heaven without doing these things - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 . That is how important of a Job this is that we have been given.

2. Jesus Christ said those who love Him are those who obey His commandments - His friends are those who do as He asks - and He did command His followers, the 12, then the 72, to go out and teach teach Gospel to the unbelievers, did He not - John 14 vs 15 - 25 & John 15 vs 14 ? He did not command his followers to teach the gospel, he chose from among his followers. In fact, it was just his 12 disciples he was speaking to in John 14 and 15. Christ never commanded his followers to go out and teach, He selected from among them and sent them forth. I can show you verse after verse where he did so.

We are tasked with the work of providing food, drink, clothing, home, care, and visitation for those in need of it.[/b] No one will enter into Heaven without doing these things - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 . That is how important of a Job this is that we have been given. True we are taught to be Charitable but Peter was given a special assignment to feed his sheep not just everybody. In Matt 25 vs 31 - 46, we all expected to be charitable to all but when Christ instructed Peter it was specifically to his sheep not to everyone. Clearly, it was a special task, not the everyday task of being kind to all.

tctrills:
2. Jesus Christ said those who love Him are those who obey His commandments - His friends are those who do as He asks - and He did command His followers, the 12, then the 72, to go out and teach teach Gospel to the unbelievers, did He not - John 14 vs 15 - 25 & John 15 vs 14 ?
1. He did not command his followers to teach the gospel, he chose from among his followers. In fact, it was just his 12 disciples he was speaking to in John 14 and 15. Christ never commanded his followers to go out and teach, He selected from among them and sent them forth. I can show you verse after verse where he did so.

We are tasked with the work of providing food, drink, clothing, home, care, and visitation for those in need of it.[/b] No one will enter into Heaven without doing these things - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 . That is how important of a Job this is that we have been given.
2. True we are taught to be Charitable but Peter was given a special assignment to feed his sheep not just everybody. In Matt 25 vs 31 - 46, we all expected to be charitable to all but when Christ instructed Peter it was specifically to his sheep not to everyone. Clearly, it was a special task, not the everyday task of being kind to all.

1. Jesus Christ did command His follows to go teach the good news, first when He sent out the 12, then when He sent out the 72 and eventually when He sent the 11 out into the world. The same message He gave to the 12 is the same message He gave to all of His disciples.

2. There was no separate task for Peter because what Jesus Christ commanded Peter to so is the same task Jesus Christ already taught His followers was necessary for all of His servants to accomplish in His Name.

Kobojunkie:
I am not in anyway confusing issues...just making things clear is all..

1. You claim every Christian believes in Jesus Christ and not in His apostles, yet if you asked 10 Christians of what Jesus Christ taught us on a given topic, chances are all 10 will tell you of what one of His disciples supposedly wrote in their epistles instead of what Jesus Christ in fact quoted as actually saying on the very issue. Most Christians know what Paul supposedly said on matters but have near no clue what Jesus Christ in fact said, if at all, on the very same.

And as Jesus Christ said over and over, those who are of Him, are those who obey His teachings and commandments- not the doctrines and traditions of men, including men such as His apostles. Those who trust in Jesus Christ are those who do as Jesus Christ says.

2. No where in scripture are you even told to believe the apostles to begin with.

Every follower of Jesus Christ is sent out as if a Servant to deliver the Master's message to everyone who will hear. The message you believe is that which the Master gave to the servant and only that. The servant his identity, etc., means nothing since it is His Master that should be of value to you or not.

1. You claim every Christian believes in Jesus Christ and not in His apostles, yet if you asked 10 Christians of what Jesus Christ taught us on a given topic, chances are all 10 will tell you of what one of His disciples supposedly wrote in their epistles instead of what Jesus Christ in fact quoted as actually saying on the very issue. Most Christians know what Paul supposedly said on matters but have near no clue what Jesus Christ in fact said, if at all, on the very same. First every word in the bible was written by his disciples. Also, Christ told us to believe his disciples in John 17.20. So if Christ said in His prayer in John that his Apostles are one with him and anyone that believes in their words becomes one with them, him and the father, why shouldn't Christians quote them. Christ has sanctioned their words. Hope you know there is a difference between believing someone and believing in someone.

And as Jesus Christ said over and over, those who are of Him, are those who obey His teachings and commandments- not the doctrines and traditions of men, including men such as His apostles. Those who trust in Jesus Christ are those who do as Jesus Christ says. His Apostles were not sent to teach the Gospel of men but the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

No where in scripture are you even told to believe the apostles to begin with. We have been through this before. John 17.20 I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who [j]will believe in Me through their word

tctrills:


1. You claim every Christian believes in Jesus Christ and not in His apostles, yet if you asked 10 Christians of what Jesus Christ taught us on a given topic, chances are all 10 will tell you of what one of His disciples supposedly wrote in their epistles instead of what Jesus Christ in fact quoted as actually saying on the very issue. Most Christians know what Paul supposedly said on matters but have near no clue what Jesus Christ in fact said, if at all, on the very same.
1 First every word in the bible was written by his disciples. Also, Christ told us to believe his disciples in John 17.20. So if Christ said in His prayer in John that his Apostles are one with him and anyone that believes in their words becomes one with them, him and the father, why shouldn't Christians quote them. Christ has sanctioned their words. Hope you know there is a difference between believing someone and believing in someone.

And as Jesus Christ said over and over, those who are of Him, are those who obey His teachings and commandments- not the doctrines and traditions of men, including men such as His apostles. Those who trust in Jesus Christ are those who do as Jesus Christ says.

2. His Apostles were not sent to teach the Gospel of men but the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

No where in scripture are you even told to believe the apostles to begin with. We have been through this before. John 17.20 I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who [j]will believe in Me through their word

1a. You are right that every Word written in the Gospels were written by humans in human language. However, the servants also pointed out the messages of the Master as though Words out of the mouth of God Himself ' Matthew 4 vs 4

1b. Again, Jesus Christ never gave us a command of the kind you suggest in John 17. What He instead did was ask God to bless even those who will believe in Him because of the words spoken by His apostles.

Jesus Christ never sanctioned there words, not in that context or any other. In John 14 vs 1 - 5, He made it known that it is in Him alone that we are to put ouy trust.

2. The Gospel is God's New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God and it consists of about 100 commandments which we are meant to live by - Matthew 4 vs 4. It is a Law. So any doctrine or tradition of men that seeks to add, change or remove from God's Law as given by Him, violates the gospel.

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ did command His follows to go teach the good news, first when He sent out the 12, then when He sent out the 72 and eventually when He sent the 11 out into the world. The same message He gave to the 12 is the same message He gave to all of His disciples.

2. There was no separate task for Peter because what Jesus Christ commanded Peter to so is the same task Jesus Christ already taught His followers was necessary for all of His servants to accomplish in His Name.

1. Jesus Christ did command His follows to go teach the good news, first when He sent out the 12, then when He sent out the 72 and eventually when He sent the 11 out into the world. The same message He gave to the 12 is the same message He gave to all of His disciples. undecided Can you show any verse where he commanded all his followers to go and preach? or is it your personal opinion? We see where he sent the 12, The 72, and the 11 please point out where he sent the rest. Let's depend on the scriptures and not what we think.

2. There was no separate task for Peter because what Jesus Christ commanded Peter to so is the same task Jesus Christ already taught His followers was necessary for all of His servants to accomplish in His Name. You want to point to any other verse where Jesus commanded anyone to feed his sheep. In Matt 25 the commandment was to feed his sheep it was to everyone not specially his sheep. I am open to learning if you have any scripture that teaches otherwise.

Kobojunkie:
1a. You are right that every Word written in the Gospels were written by humans in human language. However, the servants also pointed out the messages of the Master as though Words out of the mouth of God Himself ' Matthew 4 vs 4

And he handed over to his Apostles to occupy until he returns. My point is you are free to believe what you want But clearly, Christ chose people to continue his work after he left. He ordained them and gave them power. This is recorded.

God's kingdom society

tctrills:
And he handed over to his Apostles to occupy until he returns. My point is you are free to believe what you want But clearly, Christ chose people to continue his work after he left. He ordained them and gave them power. This is recorded.

Jesus Christ chose to, through those who Trust in, and obey His teachings and commandments, continue His Work.

This is not the Old Covenant where folks were ordained...this is instead the New Covenant where God Himself man's or steers those who are submitted to Him, this through His Spirit, in everyday - Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 27

Those He ordained in His Old Covenant Law, He eventually swore against, swearing that He, God, alone will Shepherd His sheep - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 16

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ chose to, through those who Trust in, and obey His teachings and commandments, continue His Work.

This is not the Old Covenant where folks were ordained...this is instead the New Covenant where God Himself man's or steers those who are submitted to Him, this through His Spirit, in everyday - Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 27

Those He ordained in His Old Covenant Law, He eventually swore against, swearing that He, God, alone will Shepherd His sheep - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 16

Mark 3:14-19

14 And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,

15 And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils:

You are QUOTING Ezekiel 36:25-27
King James Version
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

How does this explain your point? I have given you verse after verse to show that Christ chose, called, and ordained his apostle and all you can do is show a scripture that has nothing to do with Jesus calling or sending anyone to preach. Did you even read those verses before sending them?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ chose to, through those who Trust in, and obey His teachings and commandments, continue His Work.

This is not the Old Covenant where folks were ordained...this is instead the New Covenant where God Himself man's or steers those who are submitted to Him, this through His Spirit, in everyday - Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 27

Those He ordained in His Old Covenant Law, He eventually swore against, swearing that He, God, alone will Shepherd His sheep - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 16

I am really hoping you could find one single verse to explain your point of view and please not Ezekiel. It has nothing to do with the topic

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ chose to, through those who Trust in, and obey His teachings and commandments, continue His Work.

This is not the Old Covenant where folks were ordained...this is instead the New Covenant where God Himself man's or steers those who are submitted to Him, this through His Spirit, in everyday - Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 27

Those He ordained in His Old Covenant Law, He eventually swore against, swearing that He, God, alone will Shepherd His sheep - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 16

I have come to understand your point of view but as we can both see, it's not supported by a single bible verse. while we have abundant verses that Jesus Chose or call Apostle to represent him and preach the gosple and he gave them power. Your opinion makes a lot of sense but I rather depend on the scriptures and the words of the Savior himself.

Kobojunkie:
1a. You are right that every Word written in the Gospels were written by humans in human language. However, the servants also pointed out the messages of the Master as though Words out of the mouth of God Himself ' Matthew 4 vs 4

1b. Again, Jesus Christ never gave us a command of the kind you suggest in John 17. What He instead did was ask God to bless even those who will believe in Him because of the words spoken by His apostles.

Jesus Christ never sanctioned there words, not in that context or any other. In John 14 vs 1 - 5, He made it known that it is in Him alone that we are to put ouy trust.

2. The Gospel is God's New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God and it consists of about 100 commandments which we are meant to live by - Matthew 4 vs 4. It is a Law. So any doctrine or tradition of men that seeks to add, change or remove from God's Law as given by Him, violates the gospel.

The word Apostle means “one sent forth.” It was the title Jesus gave (Luke 6:13) to the Twelve whom He chose and ordained (John 15:16) to be His closest disciples during His ministry on earth and whom He sent forth to represent Him after His Ascension into heaven
Did Jesus Christ give special authority to his Apostles? Yes.
I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven, Matt. 16:19
He gave them the keys of his kingdom.
He promised them more responsibility.. ye also shall sit … judging the twelve tribes, Matt. 19:28

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ chose to, through those who Trust in, and obey His teachings and commandments, continue His Work.

This is not the Old Covenant where folks were ordained...this is instead the New Covenant where God Himself man's or steers those who are submitted to Him, this through His Spirit, in everyday - Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 27

Those He ordained in His Old Covenant Law, He eventually swore against, swearing that He, God, alone will Shepherd His sheep - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 16

More scripture's for you.. God promised to send forth Apostles and prophets.
I will send them prophets and apostles, Luke 11:49

You claim Christ did not ordain his Apostles, read..
John 15.16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you

tctrills:

Mark 3:14-19

14 And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,

15 And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils:

You are QUOTING Ezekiel 36:25-27
King James Version
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

How does this explain your point? I have given you verse after verse to show that Christ chose, called, and ordained his apostle and all you can do is show a scripture that has nothing to do with Jesus calling or sending anyone to preach. Did you even read those verses before sending them?

1. The word "ordained" as use in that verse and translation is nothing of ordination of the kind found in the Old Covenant, or as practiced in your churches today.

or·dain
1. make (someone) a priest or minister; confer holy orders on.
"he was ordained a minister before entering

2. Again, This is not the Old Covenant where folks were ordained...this is instead the New Covenant where God Himself man's or steers those who are submitted to Him, this through His Spirit, in everyday - Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 27. In verse 27, you read of this.

Kobojunkie:
1. The word "ordained" as use in that verse and translation is nothing of ordination of the kind found in the Old Covenant, or as practiced in your churches today.


2. Again, This is not the Old Covenant where folks were ordained...this is instead the New Covenant where God Himself man's or steers those who are submitted to Him, this through His Spirit, in everyday - Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 27. In verse 27, you read of this.

The word "ordained" as use in that verse and translation is nothing of ordination of the kind found in the Old Covenant, or as practiced in your churches today[color=#006600][/color]
Before making this claim you should be show us the difference. How was Christ ordination different. Do you have any bible verse to show the difference or is it just your opinion?

Kobojunkie:
1. The word "ordained" as use in that verse and translation is nothing of ordination of the kind found in the Old Covenant, or as practiced in your churches today.


2. Again, This is not the Old Covenant where folks were ordained...this is instead the New Covenant where God Himself man's or steers those who are submitted to Him, this through His Spirit, in everyday - Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 27. In verse 27, you read of this.

Jesus says he ordained his apostles but you insist he did not, who do we believe.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ chose to, through those who Trust in, and obey His teachings and commandments, continue His Work.

This is not the Old Covenant where folks were ordained...this is instead the New Covenant where God Himself man's or steers those who are submitted to Him, this through His Spirit, in everyday - Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 27

Those He ordained in His Old Covenant Law, He eventually swore against, swearing that He, God, alone will Shepherd His sheep - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 16

Are you saying that because God was angry with those he ordained of old hence he refused to ordained anymore people? Please back your points with scriptures

MaxInDHouse:

Other races are what in their former life?

Now it's clear what other tribes are in their former lives!

Lol..there have always been lunatics in our community. I guess he was one in his past life...we are all God spirit dwelling within a physical body made from dust. The spirit has always been. It was hovering over the earth before the creation began..we have always been. We will always be..

Kobojunkie, if God can change from the Moses law to the Jesus law, what makes you think he can't also change from the Jesus law to the Muhammad law?


Or do you subscribe to the Marcion idea that the God ofthe old testament can't be the father of Jesus in other words a different God.

Numbers 23:19

sonmvayina:


Lol..there have always been lunatics in our community. I guess he was one in his past life...we are all God spirit dwelling within a physical body made from dust. The spirit has always been. It was hovering over the earth before the creation began..we have always been. We will always be..

So why quote a book written by men who are Gods themselves for someone who himself or herself is a God?
Why can't each person choose whatsoever he or she pleases to do without anyone telling them?

sonmvayina:
Kobojunkie, 1. if God can change from the Moses law to the Jesus law, what makes you think he can't also change from the Jesus law to the Muhammad law?

2. Or do you subscribe to the Marcion idea that the God ofthe old testament can't be the father of Jesus in other words a different God.

Numbers 23:19

1. If you have ever carefully studied anyone of God's Laws, even the Old Covenant Law of Moses, you would understand the why not of that.

God didn't change from the Old Covenant Law of Moses to the New Covenant. The Old Covenant is an everlasting Covenant and so, like Jesus Christ said, not a single jot of God's Law will pass away, not even after Heaven and Earth have. To this very day, every single one born of the blood of Jacob is born bound to the Old Covenant Law of Moses.

2. Nope!

Kobojunkie:
1. If you have ever carefully studied anyone of God's Laws, even the Old Covenant Law of Moses, you would understand the why not of that.

God didn't change from the Old Covenant Law of Moses to the New Covenant. The Old Covenant is an everlasting Covenant and so, like Jesus Christ said, not a single jot of God's Law will pass away, not even after Heaven and Earth have. To this very day, every single one born of the blood of Jacob is born bound to the Old Covenant Law of Moses.

2. Nope!

So are you suggesting that God gave different laws to gentiles and jews? If so can you show me where he said that?

Do you know about Marcion?

MaxInDHouse:

So why quote a book written by men who are Gods themselves for someone who himself or herself is a God?
Why can't each person choose whatsoever he or she pleases to do without anyone telling them?

But we have to live in peace..we have to find a way to do that if not there would be chaos.

So we have to set laws for ourselves..and we must also have a functional justice system.

sonmvayina:

But we have to live in peace..we have to find a way to do that if not there would be chaos.
So we have to set laws for ourselves..and we must also have a functional justice system.

Well that's exactly what Jesus has done peacefully with Jehovah's Witnesses today!

That's why i keep telling you to go and work on your understanding so that something better than what Jesus did with Jehovah's Witnesses could suffice otherwise there's no other way you or anyone can prove that such a Wonderful Counselor never walked this planet!

MaxInDHouse:


Well that's exactly what Jesus has done peacefully with Jehovah's Witnesses today!

That's why i keep telling you to go and work on your understanding so that something better than what Jesus did with Jehovah's Witnesses could suffice otherwise there's no other way you or anyone can prove that such a Wonderful Counselor never walked this planet!

Does Jesus need to exist for human to work towards peace ?

Jesus is not here. Whether he did or said those things does not mean anything. I could write about Harry Potter and build a religion around him and 7 million people believe and decide to drop arms and practice love amongst themselves.it does not mean he is real.

The romans created Jesus 2000+ years ago. Jw is just less than 200 years. Between when he was created and 200 years Ago, the Christians has engaged in wars and crusades...so it is not about Jesus. We need to work for peace, Jesus is not important. We need practical laws and a good justice system with people with outstanding characters..

sonmvayina:
So are you suggesting that God gave different laws to gentiles and jews? If so can you show me where he said that?

Do you know about Marcion?

Read Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 -20. We have been over this same issue more than 5 times this year, you and I.

God's Old Covenant Law of Moses is an agreement between God and those with the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins, this in the Land of Canaan, a kingdom in this world.
God intentionally excluded those of Gentile birth from that agreement and He never changed His mind on that.

Jesus Christ is instead God's New Covenant Law, an agreement between God and individuals, this as Law in the Kingdom of God, and this agreement God promised to bless even the Nations of the earth with, this as promised by God since the time of Abraham.

I don't care about the views of Marcion or any others.

Kobojunkie:
Read Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 -20. We have been over this same issue more than 5 times this year, you and I.

God's Old Covenant Law of Moses is an agreement between God and those with the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins, this in the Land of Canaan, a kingdom in this world.
God intentionally excluded those of Gentile birth from that agreement and He never changed His mind on that.

Jesus Christ is instead God's New Covenant Law, an agreement between God and individuals, this as Law in the Kingdom of God, and this agreement God promised to bless even the Nations of the earth with, this as promised by God since the time of Abraham.

I don't care about the views of Marcion or any others.

Who is Jesus?

sonmvayina:

Does Jesus need to exist for human to work towards peace ?

Well Isaiah called him the Wonderful Counselor and Prince of Peace!
I don't think peace can be possible in this world without such a King! Isaiah 9:6-7

sonmvayina:

Jesus is not here. Whether he did or said those things does not mean anything. I could write about Harry Potter and build a religion around him and 7 million people believe and decide to drop arms and practice love amongst themselves.it does not mean he is real.

Jesus returned in the year 1914 and ever since then he has been gathering his subjects under one umbrella that's why we now have over 8 million people from different races throughout the earth practicing what he taught, they are Jehovah's Witnesses.
Good! Please write such a book and make it work out then you'll have proved that we don't really need Jesus, until then Jesus remains the one and only Prince who can bring about Peace!

sonmvayina:

The romans created Jesus 2000+ years ago. Jw is just less than 200 years. Between when he was created and 200 years Ago, the Christians has engaged in wars and crusades...so it is not about Jesus. We need to work for peace, Jesus is not important. We need practical laws and a good justice system with people with outstanding characters..

After the death of the first pioneers of Christianity a Roman emperor diplomatically seized the opportunity to expand his Kingdom that's why Roman Catholic Church is known till today but that's not what Jesus taught. So it was after 1914 when Jesus returned in spirit that what he taught began manifesting again as he gathered faithful people throughout the earth under one umbrella known as Jehovah's Witnesses. Just organize people who believe in what you're saying and let's see how things work out, then Jesus can be forgotten but until then Jesus is Lord over 8, 700, 000 people who are fully prepared to live by his teachings!

You always end up insulting people when they disagree with you but try to grow up, you can't continue insulting people simply because they don't buy your idea, first make your idea work just like the Wright Brothers and leave people who will not travel in your flying vessel!