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Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:30pm On Mar 17, 2022
Kobojunkie:


God gave explicit commandments detailing the kind of offerings and sacrifices that are acceptable by Him. A man instead decided to offer to God that which God never asked for to begin with. How do you go about providing God supported this man's choice without making God out to be a celestial liar and a joke of a God? undecided

Have you heard about offering a living sacrifice to God? undecided
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by NNTR: 5:30pm On Mar 17, 2022
OLAADEGBU:
When the Watchtower gets it wrong like they usually do, what will you do? Can the Watchtower give you eternal life? undecided

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.

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Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by Kobojunkie: 5:35pm On Mar 17, 2022
OLAADEGBU:
Have you heard about offering a living sacrifice to God? undecided
The more important question you to ask yourself is, did God command the Jews to give to Him a living sacrifice? undecided

God's Old Covenant Law of Moses, and all 613 commandments contained, are as detailed in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. What God ever desired of men has always been complete obedience of His Law and nothing more. undecided
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:37pm On Mar 17, 2022
Image123:


Very safe bro. She and the family had to abandon their plans for her life and consecrate her to serve God forever.

And I guess the lesson for Christians to learn today is to offer ourselves as living, not burnt sacrifices to God even though we don't know her name.

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Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:42pm On Mar 17, 2022
Kobojunkie:


The more important question you to ask yourself is, did God command the Jews to give to Him a living sacrifice? undecided

God's Old Covenant Law of Moses, and all 613 commandments contained, are as detailed in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. What God ever desired of men has always been complete obedience of His Law and nothing more. undecided

Do you know of anyone in the OT who consecrated their child in service to the Lord? undecided
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:54pm On Mar 17, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Following! wink

OLAADEGBU:

What have you got to say or are you just here to observe? undecided

MaxInDHouse:

Will you like to know Watchtower's interpretation of the story?
I have nothing to say other than what those sent by Jesus Christ to teach me says! Matthew 24:45 wink

OLAADEGBU:

What is your own reading of the story, don't you study the Bible independently? undecided

MaxInDHouse:

NO! I rely solely on Watchtower's interpretation! smiley

OLAADEGBU:

How about the Holy Spirit's interpretation, using scripture to interpret scriptures? undecided

MaxInDHouse:

Holy Spirit teaches to the Watchtower {John 14:26} so they will teach me! Matthew 28:20
But since you people learn directly from the Holy Spirit and you won't like to learn from the Watchtower i can only observe what your Holy Spirit is teaching you guys! smiley

OLAADEGBU:

When the Watchtower gets it wrong like they usually do, what will you do? Can the Watchtower give you eternal life? undecided

MaxInDHouse:

They never got anything wrong like Kumuyi do! wink

OLAADEGBU:

We want to know what you've been spoon-fed about this subject since you always have a say on Christian topics. cool


NNTR:

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
"Did Jephthah actually sacrifice his daughter to the Lord as a burnt offering?"
You can't flow as a Watchtower student refused to spoon-feed you people with what we know.
So you want to change the topic of discussion to Watchtower matter at least that one will make you flow! cheesy
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by Kobojunkie: 5:56pm On Mar 17, 2022
OLAADEGBU:
Do you know of anyone in the OT who consecrated their child in service to the Lord? undecided
God did not describe the vowing of their kids in terms of making of sacrifices... again, take time to read through God's Old Covenant Law of Moses - Numbers 6 in particular- to learn what God commanded from the Jewish people- those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins. undecided
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:04pm On Mar 17, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


"Did Jephthah actually sacrifice his daughter to the Lord as a burnt offering?"
You can't flow as a Watchtower student refused to spoon-feed you people with what we know.
So you want to change the topic of discussion to Watchtower matter at least that one will make you flow! cheesy

We want to know what you've been spoon-fed about this subject since you always have a say on Christian topics. cool

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Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by NNTR: 6:12pm On Mar 17, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
"Did Jephthah actually sacrifice his daughter to the Lord as a burnt offering?"
The bible 101 answer to this question is an emphatic NO, Jephthah actually did not sacrifice his daughter to the Lord as a burnt offering

MaxInDHouse:
You can't flow as a Watchtower student refused to spoon-feed you people with what we know.
I flow with the best Teacher in the whole wide world

MaxInDHouse:
So you want to change the topic of discussion to Watchtower matter at least that one will make you flow! cheesy
I know it all sounds unbelievable to you, but I am not surprised because truth is sometimes stranger than fiction

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.

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Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:13pm On Mar 17, 2022
OLAADEGBU:

We want to know what you've been spoon-fed about this subject since you always have a say on Christian topics. cool

Unless you people beg a JW for wisdom on the topic of discussion we will not TEACH you! grin
Ṣebí you people say holy ghost is your teacher shey?
Hen let's see how that holy ghost set matters straight in your midst, Jehovah's Witnesses have our own interpretation but i will not teach you people since you don't believe we know better than you do! wink
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:14pm On Mar 17, 2022
NNTR:

The bible 101 answer to this question is an emphatic NO, Jephthah actually did not sacrifice his daughter to the Lord as a burnt offering
I flow with the best Teacher in the whole wide world
I know it all sounds unbelievable to you, but I am not surprised because truth is sometimes stranger than fiction
If so then why not tell your brethren in da lord not to ask from me since you guys know the answer?
OLAADEGBU:

We want to know what you've been spoon-fed about this subject since you always have a say on Christian topics. cool
I'm simply an observer in the thread! wink
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:16pm On Mar 17, 2022
Kobojunkie:


God did not describe the vowing of their kids in terms of making of sacrifices... again, take time to read through God's Old Covenant Law of Moses - Numbers 6 in particular- to learn what God commanded from the Jewish people- those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins. undecided

Hannah and Manoah made vows to dedicate their children to the service of the Lord. Anna in particular dedicated her service to the Lord after she became a widow, she never remarried. There are also those who made themselves Eunuchs for God's service.

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Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by Kobojunkie: 6:18pm On Mar 17, 2022
OLAADEGBU:
Why was Jephthah included in the hall of faith in the book of Hebrews? undecided
You would need to ask the one who authored the letter to the Hebrews about that. undecided

Jephthah was a judge in Israel at the time of the incident so he was rightly included among other judges over the land in the book of Judges. undecided
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:19pm On Mar 17, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


If so then why not tell your brethren in da lord not to ask from me since you guys know the answer?

I'm simply an observer in the thread! wink

That should be the first time you have nothing to say but to observe. cheesy

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Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:22pm On Mar 17, 2022
OLAADEGBU:

That should be the first time you have nothing to say but to observe. cheesy

You're a great observer too for noticing that! wink
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:22pm On Mar 17, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Unless you people beg a JW for wisdom on the topic of discussion we will not TEACH you! grin
Ṣebí you people say holy ghost is your teacher shey?
Hen let's see how that holy ghost set matters straight in your midst, Jehovah's Witnesses have our own interpretation but i will not teach you people since you don't believe we know better than you do! wink

I want to know how your Watchtower twisted this subject since that's what they are good at. I'm not expecting you to know any better.

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Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:28pm On Mar 17, 2022
Keep lying to yourself! cheesy
After saying:
OLAADEGBU:

What is your own reading of the story, don't you study the Bible independently? undecided
Now because i refused to TEACH you guys you are saying:
OLAADEGBU:

I want to know how your Watchtower twisted this subject since that's what they are good at. I'm not expecting you to know any better.

I will not TEACH you people.
I can see all of you dancing round without using the scriptures to back up your answers, but if i solve the riddle for you people using the full strength of the scriptures you won't say "Thank you"
So keep answering yourselves i'm just an observer on this! wink
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by Kobojunkie: 6:31pm On Mar 17, 2022
OLAADEGBU:
Hannah and Manoah made vows to dedicate their children to the service of the Lord. Anna in particular dedicated her service to the Lord after she became a widow, she never remarried. There are also those who made themselves Eunuchs for God's service.
I am afraid I don't follow your logic in this! undecided

God Himself specially vowed the Levites for service as well, but this He in no way cpmpared to the offering of sacrifices and burnt offerings which He also stipulated. undecided

Choosing to become a Eunuch for the sake of the Kingdom of God is a choice one makes - no one is forced - in order to be better able to focus on God or the things of God. If a one who once chose to live a life as a Eunuch later decided to no longer live as such, there are no penalties against that, again since Jesus Christ stated that this was a choice permitted by God but ultimately to be made by the individual. undecided
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by Kobojunkie: 6:33pm On Mar 17, 2022
OLAADEGBU:
Do you know of anyone in the OT who consecrated their child in service to the Lord? undecided
Yes, all of the people of Israel were commanded by God to consecrate there first born sons for service in what turned out the Nation's army. God made that happen. He didn't compare them to the offering of burnt offerings or sacrifices. undecided
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by LordReed(m): 7:00pm On Mar 17, 2022
OLAADEGBU:


Says who? undecided

Your bible.
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by LordReed(m): 7:01pm On Mar 17, 2022
OLAADEGBU:


It's not about whether she was the first virgin or not, it's about her remaining a virgin till death thus ending the line of Jephthah who possibly did not procure other children because she dedicated her service to the Lord.

Was she the first person to have remained a virgin to death?
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by Kobojunkie: 7:42pm On Mar 17, 2022
OLAADEGBU:
God had to personally intervene when Abraham was about to sacrifice his son. How then would theologians believe that God would permit Jephthah's daughter to be burnt as a sacrifice?
It is flawed reasoning to compare Abraham's attempt at a human sacrifice to Jephthah's sacrificing of his daughter. undecided

God Himself commanded Abraham, who was not an Israelite by the way, to sacrifice Isaac to Him, however, God declared an abomination, the sacrificing of individuals, this in His Covenant with Israel, so Jephthah's sacrifice was against God's commandments to His people. undecided

As for intervention by God, apart from the case of Isaac, I don't believe there are records of God intervening any of the many other times the children of Israel turned their backs on him to carry out human sacrificing. undecided
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by NNTR: 7:59pm On Mar 17, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
If so then why not tell your brethren in da lord not to ask from me since you guys know the answer?
Want to learn more about you from your answer

MaxInDHouse:
I'm simply an observer in the thread! wink
Yup good call, sit back, watch, listen, observe and learn then

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:07pm On Mar 17, 2022
NNTR:
Want to learn more about you from your answer
Yup good call, sit back, watch, listen, observe and learn then
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.

Of course i learn through listening! cheesy
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by NNTR: 8:12pm On Mar 17, 2022
OLAADEGBU:
God had to personally intervene when Abraham was about to sacrifice his son. How then would theologians believe that God would permit Jephthah's daughter to be burnt as a sacrifice?
I plead, ignorance and biblical illiteracy, on their behalf

Kobojunkie:
It is flawed reasoning to compare Abraham's attempt at a human sacrifice to Jephthah's sacrificing of his daughter. undecided

God Himself commanded Abraham, who was not an Israelite by the way, to sacrifice Isaac to Him, however, God declared an abomination, the sacrificing of individuals, this in His Covenant with Israel, so Jephthah's sacrifice was against God's commandments to His people. undecided
You are arguing over an event that never happened

Kobojunkie:
As for intervention by God, apart from the case of Isaac, I don't believe there are records of God intervening any of the many other times the children of Israel turned their backs on him to carry out human sacrificing. undecided
The records of the children of Israel turning their backs on God to carry out human sacrificing are about the burning offerings done for deities and not to God

The punishment for indulging, practising or successfully carrying out human sacrifice in the name of God, or using a human being as a burning offering to God is death

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by NNTR: 8:17pm On Mar 17, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Of course i learn through listening! cheesy
Good, as being ignorant is not as much a shame, as being unwilling to learn is, especially when you have a quiet a lot to learn

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:17pm On Mar 17, 2022
Following! wink
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by Kobojunkie: 8:17pm On Mar 17, 2022
If deity A declared, " I do not want human sacrifices" but man A claimed he offered a human sacrifice to deity A, was the sacrifice in question really to deity A who explicitly stated He would want none of that or was it instead to man A's delusion aka an idol of his imagining? undecided
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:24pm On Mar 17, 2022
Kobojunkie:
If deity A declared, " I do not want human sacrifices" but man A claimed he offered a human sacrifice to deity A, was the sacrifice in question really to deity A who explicitly stated He would want none of that or was it instead to man A's delusion aka an idol of his imagining? undecided
The first step to resolve this is by asking:

How did God instruct the Israelites to offer the BURNT OFFERINGS?
What is the significance of BURNT OFFERINGS?
What part of the sacrifice does the one offering BURNT OFFERINGS take as his share?

I'll stop here for now! smiley

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Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by NNTR: 8:31pm On Mar 17, 2022
Kobojunkie:
If deity A declared, " I do not want human sacrifices" but man A claimed he offered a human sacrifice to deity A, was the sacrifice in question really to deity A who explicitly stated He would want none of that or was it instead to man A's delusion aka an idol of his imagining? undecided
Give a list of human beings, successfully offered as burning sacrifices and explicitly stated and expressed as having done the sacrifice to God or in the name of God

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by Kobojunkie: 8:36pm On Mar 17, 2022
NNTR:
Give a list of human beings, successfully offered as burning sacrifices and explicitly stated and expressed as having done the sacrifice to God or in the name of God
How can one "successfully" offer a human being as a burning sacrifice to deity A who absolutely rejected all associations with such things? undecided
Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by NNTR: 10:02pm On Mar 17, 2022
Kobojunkie:
How can one "successfully" offer a human being as a burning sacrifice to deity A who absolutely rejected all associations with such things? undecided
You are on point.

Yeah. No one can, no one, not even Abraham, not even Jephthah, has "successfully" offered a human being as a burning sacrifice to God who absolutely rejected all associations with such things

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.

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