OLAADEGBU:
Before you start chasing shadows you'll have to prove that Jephthah murdered his daughter.

truespeak:
No I don't

You asked a question on God's guilt if Jepthath murdered his daughter meaning if it is taken that Jepthath murdered his daughter would God be liable? That I answered so rebut if you can.

NNTR:
For your information, God will not allow anything like an alleged burning sacrifice of Jephthah's daughter done in God's name that will discredit Him or that would bring the name of God into disrepute

We have a precedent set in the bible, where a young man was planned to be sacrificed unto God, but God stepped in, and made sure, to put a stop to it. God will never allow any bad smear, blotch or blemish stain His Hallow and Good Name

NNTR:

Fowls have a better chance of growing teeth than him prove that Jephthah 'murdered' his daughter.


_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Acehart:
Kobojunkie, read up Leviticus 27 and let’s know your thoughts

truespeak:
If you had properly read my statement, you would have seen I answered the question he asked in reference to God's guilt IF Jepthath murdered his daughter.

Nowhere did I allege that Jepthath did.

So this was absolutely unnecessary.

Kobojunkie:
See.... the question is simple....did Jephthah actually sacrifice his daughter to get Lord as a burnt offering as the story says he did?.

Kobojunkie:
According to the writer of the story, Jephthah sacrificed his daughter believing he did it onto God, same way billions of so called Christians today claim they serve God this by bowing down ,not directly to God's Law , but to the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches). So, again, no need for unnecessary lectures, go straight to answering to question. :-

NNTR:


Are you of the understanding then that Jephthah sacrificed his daughter to God as a burned offering?
Yes, Jephthah did sacrifice his daughter to God as a burned offering or No, Jephthah did not sacrifice his daughter to God as a burned offering?
What's your answer to the question?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
I had properly read your statement, but couldn't see anywhere in it, your position, as regards as whether Jephthah sacrificed his daughter to God as a burned offering

Please your what's your card say, as regards this.
Did Jephthah according to your understanding, sacrificed his daughter to God as a burned offering?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
I had properly read your statement, but couldn't see anywhere in it, your position, as regards as whether Jephthah sacrificed his daughter to God as a burned offering

Please tell what's your card say, as regards this.
Did Jephthah according to your understanding, sacrifice his daughter to God as a burned offering?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

truespeak:
You have the Bible yet you ask me this?

MaxInDHouse:

The first step to resolve this is by asking:
How did God instruct the Israelites to offer the BURNT OFFERINGS?
What is the significance of BURNT OFFERINGS?
What part of the sacrifice does the one offering BURNT OFFERINGS take as his share?
I'll stop here for now!

NNTR:
The story never said anything about Jephthah sacrificed his daughter to get Lord as a burnt offering, as you allege the story says he did.

Why isnt there a repeat or copycat of this alleged and figment of an overstretched imagination of Jephthah sacrificing his daughter to God as a burned offering?

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO

NNTR:
What is clean about Jephthah's daughter that qualifies her suitable for sacrifice to God as a burned offering?

ROFLMAO

Kobojunkie:
[s]See.... the question is simple....did Jephthah actually sacrifice his daughter to get Lord as a burnt offering as the story says he did?.

According to the writer of the story, Jephthah sacrificed his daughter believing he did it onto God, same way billions of so called Christians today claim they serve God this by bowing down ,not directly to God's Law , but to the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches), even after Jesus Christ denounced all such submission as being against God's Truth and such worship as being meaningless/void. You all still go about claiming your worship is in the name of God so how is that any different from the claim made in the story told of Jephthah and his act.

So, skip over the long talk... no need for unnecessary lectures, go straight to answering the question. [/s]

NNTR:


Is the question too difficult for you to give your answer to?

Give your answer to the question here. For the record, repeat here, what your answer to the question is again.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Acehart:
He that readeth, let him understand

NNTR:
Judges 11:34-40
'34And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.
35And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back.
36And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.
37And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.
38And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.
39And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,
40That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.'

<sub>I earlier submitted that Jephthah's daughter played her father. She played him very well, and he knew it.

Watch at Judges 11:37-38, what she said, which is 'I will go to bewail my virginity', notice that she doesn't say, 'I'll bewail my coming burning offering death', but accentuated the fact expressed that she never will marry, meaning won't leave at father's house, meaning she'll perpetually be Daddy's girl for life, living at home, dedicated to God's work.

An animal without blemish that comes out of anywhere in Israel and not his house alone wouldn't necessarily be Jephthah's personal animal that he has a right of, to do as he wishes

Here's the deal, Jephthah was expecting a servant at the very least who will first come out to meet him, and who then will be devoted to God's work, but if it happened to be one of his clean animals, then that is what would be sacrificed as a burnt offering.

The vow was a veiled two-in-one overzealous vow done.

[sub]Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.</sub>[/sub][sub][/sub]

Kobojunkie:
[s]I didn't ask you to give me a lecture, nor am I the one who invited you into this. You chose to direct your retort at me without first taking out time to read what has already been stated by me on the issue.. so what did you expect?

Again... See.... the question is simple....did Jephthah actually sacrifice his daughter to get Lord as a burnt offering as the story says he did?.

According to the writer of the story, Jephthah sacrificed his daughter believing he did it onto God, same way billions of so called Christians today claim they serve God this by bowing down ,not directly to God's Law , but to the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches), even after Jesus Christ denounced all such submission as being against God's Truth and such worship as being meaningless/void. You all still go about claiming your worship is in the name of God so how is that any different from the claim made in the story told of Jephthah and his act.

So, skip over the long talk... no need for unnecessary lectures, go straight to answering the question.[/s]

Acehart:
....

Kobojunkie:
The story teller's mention of the girl's virginity comes to mind. We are after all dealing here with depraved senses of men who reject God's way for their own ideas and delusions. You really didn't see that?

truespeak:
The question actually took me by surprise because Judges 11: 39 tells you "And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according (according in italics) to his vow which he had vowed...
Meaning he carried out his vow of sacrificing whatever comes out first from his door which the Bible told us was his daughter, therefore meaning he sacrificed his daughter in accordance with the vow which he had vowed.

I do not see any other interpretation of the above but if you do kindly share, I will be glad to hear it.

And Judges 11: 40 further tells you That in consequence of the sacrificing of his daughter "the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year".

Or is there any other interpretation of the above? Kindly share if you have it.

NNTR:
Judges 11:34-40
'34And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.
35And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back.
36And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.
37And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.
38And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.
39And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,
40That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.'

I earlier submitted that Jephthah's daughter played her father. She played him very well, and he knew it.

Watch at Judges 11:37-38, what she said, which is 'I will go to bewail my virginity', notice that she doesn't say, 'I'll bewail my coming burning offering death', but accentuated the fact expressed that she never will marry, meaning won't leave at father's house, meaning she'll perpetually be Daddy's girl for life, living at home, dedicated to God's work.

An animal without blemish that comes out of anywhere in Israel and not his house alone wouldn't necessarily be Jephthah's personal animal that he has a right of, to do as he wishes

Here's the deal, Jephthah was expecting a servant at the very least who will first come out to meet him, and who then will be devoted to God's work, but if it happened to be one of his clean animals, then that is what would be sacrificed as a burnt offering.

The vow was a veiled two-in-one overzealous vow done.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Acehart:
You copied me to respond to a mad man, one possessed with an evil spirit. Sunday is for resting o.

You said a servant was expected. Isn’t it demeaning to call someone “it”? I’m tired of Jephthah’s story; in those times people did as they liked and I don’t think there is a lot to learn from people living in those times- crazy bunch. Is it to sleeping with a Levite by a bunch of gay men or the decapitation of his concubine? Nothing much to learn except for those who prayed and their prayers moved mountains.

NNTR:
The story teller mentioned the girl's virginity and not her death. Is that so?

You really didn't see that the story teller's mention of only the girl's virginity and not her death was because the girl never died. The girl never was given up as a burned offering to God, which clearly is an abomination, which clearly will disqualify anybody to be celebrated in the Hebrew hall of faith fame

NNTR:
OK, if the question actually took you by surprise then we can park it temporarily, in place of another question, which is, bearing in mind that unclean, is a no-no for burning offering sacrifice to God. What is clean about Jephthah's daughter that qualifies her suitable for sacrifice to God as a burned offering?

Also why didnt Jephthah's daughter accentuated her imagined death as a burning offering to God, why focus on virginity and not death?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO

truespeak:
Change of Post.

truespeak:
I have already answered the question so my surprise is not relevant, therefore it is on you to rebut but rather than rebut you have fled to ask other questions which is not allowed.

truespeak:
So rebut if you can, I am waiting.

NNTR:
For your convenience. Something for you not to get surprised over

NNTR:

Fled? Are you taking the piss or what.

NNTR:


What's there to rebut?
What exactly do you want rebutted? Spell out in uncertain terms exactly what you want rebutted.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

truespeak:
How thoughtful of you to suddenly care for my convenience which is coming after I have answered your question on whether Jepthath's daughter was sacrificed or not.

You kept asking for my answer, twice did you do so and even when I told you the Bible has answered the question, yet again you asked me if it was a difficult question and that for the record I should answer, which I then went on to answer.

Now that I have answered you, you now care for my convenience? Do not worry about my convenience, go on and query or state your counter to my answer.

That is what a change of post is you left the issue between us and have moved/fled to other issues not between us.

Stick to the issue.

Simple I have answered your question which you kept asking repeatedly, so go on and counter if you can, on the record as you yourself requested of me.

NNTR:
If I know what your answer is I wouldnt have bothered to ask you state your position or understanding, but hey, like I've said earlier, let's park the question temporarily and move on to

So, what exactly do you want rebutted?
Lets get the party started nah. Spell out in uncertain terms, exactly what you want rebutted

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

truespeak:
Meaning that I have answered your question on Jepthath sacrifice of his daughter and that you have no query or counter against my answer, for if you did you would since have presented it. Having not presented any, I am thus discharged.

NNTR:
1. Repeat here what my question was
2. Repeat here what your answer to my question was

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

truespeak:
The records up there already show all these.

truespeak:
As I said earlier there is nothing further to do. I am done.

MaxInDHouse:
this mumu

MaxInDHouse: keep quiet!

MaxInDHouse: the idiot!

the idiot