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Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Reasoning(m): 2:51pm On Jul 03, 2022
Una dey deceived una selves with the name Jesus. God cannot answer a prayers From the name his enemies coined as his Name. You're all evil using religion to shield yourselves. Remember Rick Ross the cult burster. Me na the Original Global Cult Burster (Rapture)
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by ajl: 2:53pm On Jul 03, 2022
Mrexcell:



The Jews are the only nation on earth with direct covenant with God yet they don't depend on only prayers to defend themselves in times of war they would have since gone extinct if they were only depending on prayers. The same bible u are quoting also advised christains to take what belong to them force.

If you are Yoruba or Igbo, what make you think you are not descendants of the ancient Hebrew? Is it because of the white man lies including religion that they have used to cover your eyes? Those in Israel now do not have any direct connection to the ancient Hebrew people. They don't speak Hebrew language but speak Yiddish, an invented Germanic language. Their origin is in Turkey, and are Ashkanazi jews whose king in ancient past converted with his people to Judaism. If you are Yoruba, check out this link below. You people should take history serious.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/288434360_Origin_of_the_Yoruba_and_The_Lost_Tribes_of_Israel
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by mamaafrik(m): 2:53pm On Jul 03, 2022
Lighthouse50:
Pray for greater faith. The solution to this problem should be that everyone (christian) should return back to GOD and forsake sim. Then you will GOD At work again with mighty works that will be a breaking news in the world
i beg to disagree,we need action,faith without works is death.
Say eth the bible
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Kobojunkie: 2:54pm On Jul 03, 2022
Thegoodone13:
. They show when the passage is taken in context (Luke 22:36-38), Jesus is also aware of fulfilling prophecy and makes a surprising statement that two swords are "enough." He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy
As Jesus Christ explained to you in Luke 22 vs 37, He called on His disciples to do that in order that the prophesy which was written in Isaiah 53 vs 12 proclaiming that He was numbered among the transgressors, would be fulfilled.. undecided

By attacking a guard with his sword, his disciples essentially became transgressors of the law that evening and would have been arrested alongside Jesus Christ but Jesus Christ intervened on their behalf. Essentially, Jesus Christ set the scene that evening in order for that prophesy to be fulfilled. That was all He did. He didn't ask His disciples to attack nor did He reward them for it. undecided
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Kobojunkie: 2:55pm On Jul 03, 2022
Advocate500:
i think the people he is talking to understands the message, we are not governed by God's laws, we are governed by man made rules, so keep your biblical Simon's to your self.
So, you are insinuating that this your mogs lie is for the glory of God?. undecided
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by bolademi(m): 2:56pm On Jul 03, 2022
Kobojunkie:
You mean every MOG teach you all to commit sin against God using God's name in the process? undecided

Is it God you want or these men that you want instead? undecided

Thank you for this.
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Kobojunkie: 2:58pm On Jul 03, 2022
elsiusgr8t:
The kingdom of God suffereth violence and the violent taketh it by force
undecided

Jesus Christ said that of the many false prophets and false teachers, the wolves in sheep's clothing, who had already in the land preaching falsehoods about the Kingdom of God in order to take control of it to their advantage. undecided
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Kayberg: 2:59pm On Jul 03, 2022
Every Christian has a GOD given rights to bear arms, not for violence or terrorism, but for self defense.

Luke 22 (KJV)
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³⁵ And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
³⁶ Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Kobojunkie: 3:00pm On Jul 03, 2022
okpas01:
Take the back seat please. We should fold our hands and be wiped out? The Bible said we should be as wise as a serpent.
I am not the one who is King and Law in the Kingdom of God. Jesus Christ is. Jesus Christ is the one who said you are not to defend yourself when attacked by enemies because of Him. Do you obey Jesus Christ whom you claim to love or do you simply ignore Him because you believe you know better than He in His own Kingdom? undecided
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Lazenby007(m): 3:00pm On Jul 03, 2022
Lighthouse50:
I think the last time i read the bible, the messiah had eradicated eye for an eye mosaic law
so you are in the church and bandits come to kill, one points a gun at you and he mistakenly falls and the gun trips to your feet. What will you do?
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Lighthouse50: 3:01pm On Jul 03, 2022
mamaafrik:
i beg to disagree,we need action,faith without works is death.
Say eth the bible
Tell me what happened during the days of king hezekiah who prayed to God and angels slew 185,000 assyrian soldiers before morning
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by vikithor(m): 3:02pm On Jul 03, 2022
Are we not rallying round in agreement to maxi Nnamdi Kanu,the wise man who saw all these hausafulani agenda longest time ago and alarmed it? Did some of you not brush him off with rejection,hate and abandonment?

@ Daddy G.O,I salute you Sir!
You know you have lots of followers who love and obey you,you are their father,a spiritual father,mentor,to love protect and provide with spiritual foods,I know you had been pained by the unending killings of RCCG members and other Christians,I know you had highly hoped the government will act their roles to protect life and properity,I know at this point,you are highly convinced this Buhari government is conviningly supporting ,protecting and using them to take over indigens ancestral land.

We will not take guns and defend ourselves, children, women aged ones because you had suddenly said so,you have finally agreed to what IPOB,Mazi Nnamdi Kanu,we south South, Amotekun,the fair minded, believers,non APC witches and wizards who have eaten Fulani witchcraft like Joe igbokwe, Lauretta Onochie and others.

However,we are graciously commending you for heeding to the voices of those who look up to you for leadership.

Dear Man of God, remember when Idris Abdulkarim who led others in protest to redemption camp to draw your attention to this killings saga,many hated that move,many faulted the move, even our daddy's response was not inspiring,it was political,that he belongs to CAN whatever's CAN position,it's same with him.
Now that our daddy has spoken for himself,let others speak for themselves,no more political statement,no more honouring secret invitations to Aso Rock and accepting consciences killing Greek gifts.

Let us speak, believe, ready to fight to defend what we believe,there is time to act the matyr, there's is also time to act the knights.
This is the time to be a defender of the faith,by watching,by Praying by fighting.

Once again,big thanks to Pastor Enoch Adeboye of RCCG, waiting for TREM,MFM, CAC, Catholics, ECWA, deeper life,Christ embassy host of CAN and members to show support.

As for this 2023 election,I used to be neutral, will vote for this time for a Christian.Dont know about you.
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Zorn: 3:06pm On Jul 03, 2022
Lighthouse50:
I think the scripture says pay no one evil for evil but repel evil with good
The kingdom of God sufferret violence and the violent taket it by force.
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Kobojunkie: 3:07pm On Jul 03, 2022
bobgentle:
ITS TIME TO WAKE UP COZ OUR GENERATION CANNOT BE THE LAST GENERATION TO SERVE GOD IN NOGERIA :LETS (1)FAST (2)PRAY (3)UNITE OURSELVES IN LOVE &have a common front and never be divided by the agents of ISLAMISATION AGENDA and Satan who is their base(4) Let's be well armed with our spiritual weapons
The problem with a lot of you is you think scripture is there for you to quote without understanding or basic comprehension. In Luke 22 vs 37, Jesus Christ explained that the reason He called for His disciples to do that was so that the prophesy which was written of Him in Isaiah 53 vs 12 would be fulfilled. He essentially asked them to get swords and get their purses because that night, they would become like criminals and He numbered among them. And sure enough, Peter attacked another man with the same sword, becoming a criminal by it, implicating the others as a result. They even had to run away as a result in order that they not be arrested Luke 22 vs 47 - 53. undecided

Jesus Christ said you are not to defend yourself when attacked by enemies because of Him. Do you obey Jesus Christ whom you claim to love or do you simply ignore Him because you believe you know better than He in His own Kingdom? undecided
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Lighthouse50: 3:07pm On Jul 03, 2022
Lazenby007:
so you are in the church and bandits come to kill, one points a gun at you and he mistakenly falls and the gun trips to your feet. What will you do?
Nothing sir. I will not shed blood cos christianity saves and not destroy. When My time to die comes as a genuine christian, i will be informed before hand and prepare for it. Great believers of old and early christians do know when their time reaches.
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by mamaafrik(m): 3:07pm On Jul 03, 2022
Lighthouse50:
Tell me what happened during the days of king hezekiah who prayed to God and angels slew 185,000 assyrian soldiers before morning
God will only help when you are defenceless,but when you can get PVC,arm yourself and christains can get massive vote behind a fellow sound christian,no.
David didn't pray only in the bush when faced with bear and lion.
He didn't only pray when Goliath was sneering at israelite army.
He acted.
Jesus acted when the merchant turned his father's house to computer village
Same as Abraham and Jacob when famine befell the land ,they acted not pray only.
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Kobojunkie: 3:07pm On Jul 03, 2022
Davemarine:
What does Matthew 5:39 mean? 
The Sermon on the Mount, which began early in chapter 5, contains difficult concepts for human nature to accept. Jesus is setting a seemingly impossible standard for those who would enter the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:20). Refusing to murder is not enough: don't even insult another in anger (Matthew 5:21–22). Not committing adultery is not enough: don't even intentionally lust (Matthew 5:27–28). His larger point is that none are righteous enough to enter heaven, based on their own good deeds (Matthew 5:48). Everyone, no matter how "holy" they may seem, must receive forgiveness of sins and righteousness through faith in Christ.

This verse is often badly misunderstood, due to two ideas that are less common today: lex talionis and the idea of being slapped on the cheek.

In the prior verse (Matthew 5:38), Jesus referred to a rule in the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 19:21) called the lex talionis, often summarized as "eye for an eye." After thousands of years of Christian influence, and in fact because of that influence, modern people often think this as a cruel standard. In truth, God established this to limit violence and revenge. The point of "eye for an eye" was that punishment is to be proportional to the crime, rather than an ever-escalating cycle of revenge.

Jesus does not dispute the legal aspects of "eye for an eye," so far as they apply to a courtroom or the government. But in personal terms, He sets a much more challenging standard. Limiting revenge is not God's intent for the hearts of His people. Refusing revenge is God's will and Jesus' command to His followers (Romans 12:19). This does not mean Christians cannot flee, nor does it mean that blatant violence and evil should be met with total pacifism (Luke 22:36). It does mean that so far as we're able, Christians are not to "return evil for evil" (Romans 12:20–21).

This is consistent with Jesus' comments about turning the other cheek. In the ancient world, the right hand was always assumed to be dominant. Jesus specifically refers to the "right cheek," here." That implies a backhanded movement: to slap someone on the right cheek, with the right hand, is more intimidation and abuse than mayhem. Even in the modern world, the term "slap in the face" is used in reference to insults and slights. To "turn the other cheek" implies taking that insult and accepting that another might be on the way.

In short, Christ's command here does not mean
[B]you must do nothing while someone beats you into a bloody pulp.[/b] He is speaking to believers who will experience persecution and hate from the world (Matthew 5:11–12). The proper Christian response to discrimination, mocking, or insults is to simply let it go: "don't resist the evil person." Instead, prove that such acts are not worth a response.
As one who claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ, you are not called according to God's Old Covenant Law of Moses, God's Constitution given to the people of Israel- those born with the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins - as the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. So it makes no sense of any kind to try to model your life after even David in any way or form. undecided

Instead you are called according to God's New Covenant Law and Truth, Jesus Christ, in the Kingdom of God and are so expected to live your life in submission to and obedience of the teachings(and commandments) of Jesus Christ, the Law in the Kingdom of God - John 14 vs 15 - 25 & John 15 vs 14. undecided

Jesus Christ said you are not to defend yourself when attacked by enemies because of Him. Do you obey Jesus Christ whom you claim to love or do you simply ignore Him because you believe you know better than He in His own Kingdom? undecided
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Kobojunkie: 3:09pm On Jul 03, 2022
PeepXJuice:
Pele o. You no like your life again. You no know say Oyinbo write am so that you no go wan revenge wetin dem do you
Stop fooling yourself looking left and right for excuses to cling to your old ways!

Jesus Christ said you are not to defend yourself when attacked by enemies because of Him. Do you obey Jesus Christ whom you claim to love or do you simply ignore Him because you believe you know better than He in His own Kingdom? undecided
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by PARADIZEPRIEST: 3:09pm On Jul 03, 2022
doctorexcel:
Bishop David Oyedepo has envisage this organised genocide against christians by the fulani-backed federal government. I wish other men of God will also speak out. Pls let us SORO SOKE
YOUR MINDS ARE PLAYING TRICKS ON YOU PEOPLE.STOP GENERALIZING,ALL FULANIS ARE NOT BAD,IS FEW OF THEM. angry
IF FUNANIS WANT YOU MASSACRED THEY WILL DO SO WITH EASE because YOU EAT THEIR SUYAS EVERYDAY THEM NO KILL YOU,YOU EAT THEIR WATER MELONS THEM NO KILL YOU,U EAT THEIR FRUITS,YAM, THEY FETCH WATER FOR YOU,DEM BE YOUR MAYGUARD YET DEM NO KILL YU. ETC. MOST FOODS COME FROM NORTH TO SOUTH,WHY THEM NO KILL UNA ALARMIST SILENTLY?. PPL PEDDLING THIS RUMOURS ARE FOOLS WILL EVCIL MOTIVE OF INCITING VIOLENCE! LOOK DEEP AND SEE THAT IS JUST A FEW EVIL FULANIS CAUSING VIOLENCE AND FOCUS ON CRUSHING THEM.
ABEG MAKE UNA STOP THIS NEGATIVE PROPAGANDA AGAINST ,IT IS NUISIATING.PROMOTE GENUINE LOVE WITH WISDOM AS CHRISTIANS AND ENEMIES WILL BOW undecided
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by kals4luv990(m): 3:09pm On Jul 03, 2022
Lighthouse50:
Have you not read where Jesus Christ when they chase you in a city. Flee to another. Have you not read where he told us to be faithful even unto death. Have you not read when he explained the horrors in matthew 10 where he said we will be hated by all nations for his sake. He ask us to flee and even when caught, we should remain faithful to death. There he said we shovld not fear those who kill the body.
the same bible says that he who has no sword to sell his cloak and buy one

Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by JOSH54: 3:10pm On Jul 03, 2022
Kobojunkie:
I am not the one who is King and Law in the Kingdom of God. Jesus Christ is. Jesus Christ is the one who said you are not to defend yourself when attacked by enemies because of Him. Do you obey Jesus Christ whom you claim to love or do you simply ignore Him because you believe you know better than He in His own Kingdom? undecided
Didn't Jesus flog and chase people who were selling in the temple and why did he apply faith only or pray. Israelites fought and are still fighting up till tomorrow.
Its time we put our faith into action

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Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Kobojunkie: 3:12pm On Jul 03, 2022
Thomasankara:
Do u know children of God are qualified to serve in the military?
That is in fact a lie! undecided

For one you cannot serve two Masters in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 6 vs 24. Second, you are not to serve as the leaders and authorities of this world do - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28. Third, you are no longer to work for perishable food - John 6 vs 25 - 35. .... undecided

I can go on but the point is a follower of Jesus Christ would not even hold a job of any kind in this world pet alone serve under any military master. undecided
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by vikithor(m): 3:13pm On Jul 03, 2022
Nasir123:


May I ask 'Who are the enemies now? Whom are you going to start Fighting

Are you going to start fighting your Neighbor down South who is a Muslim? Or whom are you going to start defending yourself against?

This is one of the reasons given by those who says "Religion' is the Number problem of this World".
Religion create more problems than what they claim to represent.

Instead of us to redefined our ways/part for general understanding and progress, we always want to be Hyppocritical in our propose Solutions.
A Godly persons wouldn't do that to their Society.


There is no differences between Nigeria Religious Leaders and Her Politicians.
And that's the main reason we're not making progress as a Nation.
You or we are to fight anyone who dares us,who threaten to attack,harm, attempting killing us.
It's simple as that,no time to speak long English
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Nasir123(m): 3:15pm On Jul 03, 2022
Fairmedia:

Are you blind?

Who are those targeting and killing Christians?

Target the Fulani terrorists enemies of humanity, of course.

Call your representatives who are also the Government to do the right thing rather than creating more problem for everyone.

Do you think if Buhari is not your kind we'll having a thing like FULANI HELSMEN


Listen! I'm not staying you shouldn't do what you want to do but you should do it in a Civil manner. So that you'll not be disturbing societal peace clamming Godly.

RELIGION SHOULD BE A BLESSING NOT A CAUSE."
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Nasir123(m): 3:18pm On Jul 03, 2022
vikithor:

You or we are to fight anyone who dares us,who threaten to attack,harm, attempting killing us.
It's simple as that,no time to speak long English

You as a person now, where are you going to start from? You'll become a Christian Boko Haram?

RELIGION SHOULD BE A BLESSING,NOT A CAUSE."
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by vikithor(m): 3:20pm On Jul 03, 2022
Start counting the attack or killing of Christians and churches from now till 2023 you will notice a decrease.

These bandits are cowards, when you show equal force against their threats watch how they will back track.

Their is a national call all over the country from zamfara, kaduna, plateau,ondo, Lagos,imo,rivers and others states to match be prepared, to get guns,the fight is real.Heard the cross river obubra massacre yesterday? The governor have mortgaged his people's life for 100 billion naira,he should not go unpunished.
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Lighthouse50: 3:21pm On Jul 03, 2022
kals4luv990:
the same bible says that he who has no sword to sell his cloak and buy one
When christ told them, they presented two swords and he told them its enough for the twelve. That was meant to fufil the prophecies about him and no where was the sword used again apart of cutting someone ear during christ arrest and even christ rebuked it

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Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Kobojunkie: 3:26pm On Jul 03, 2022
Prolific007:
1. If I may ask you. On that faithful day Jesus Christ was arrested what was Peter doing with a sword?

And may you help me clarify the passage of the Bible where Jesus before sending his disciples to go and preach the word of God he told them to sale their coat and buy sword.....so what was he insinuating here?
1. Luke 22 vs 37 tells you exactly what Peter was meant to do on that day. Jesus Christ set the scenes that night in order that prophecy written of Him in Isaiah 53 vs 12 might be fulfilled - "He was numbered among the transgressors". And Peter was the hand who wielded the sword that caused it to be so. undecided

Read Luke 22 vs 35 - 53 to get a good understanding of what took place that evening. undecided
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Kobojunkie: 3:27pm On Jul 03, 2022
AstroHenri:
No o, this one no reach terrorists act, there were no terrorists then
Israel was under Roman occupation then and you believe there were no terrorists during that time? How?, undecided
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Kobojunkie: 3:29pm On Jul 03, 2022
umuna:
Is it when you are dead you Turn the other cheek
God's New Covenant and Law in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ, is for those who still live. undecided

Jesus Christ said you are not to defend yourself when attacked by enemies because of Him. Do you obey Jesus Christ whom you claim to love or do you simply ignore Him because you believe you know better than He in His own Kingdom? undecided
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Kobojunkie: 3:30pm On Jul 03, 2022
flamingREED:
There's a huge difference between suffering for Christ's sake in a religious country like Israel and Arabia and suffering for nothing sake in a circular State like Nigeria.
So you are insinuating that only those who live in the lands of Israel and Arabia can be Christians? undecided
Re: Killings: It’s Fire For Fire’, Adeboye Asks Followers To Defend Themselves by Kobojunkie: 3:30pm On Jul 03, 2022
smileyoo:
1. so if you find in the bible, where it's written that you should kill yourself , for whatever reason, will you do that ?
it's these type of docile doctrines that weakened vibrant christians, and also encourage the likes of Islamic terrorists to continue killing innocent children of God, knowing fully well that there will be no consequences to their heinous acts.
you have the right to allow these brain washed Islamic terrorists to kill you, even when you can defend yourself, but please don't discourage those that want to defend themselves and fulfill their destiny.
Stop rambling abeg! undecided

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