tctrills:



I never condemned or discredited Islam, I only said that Islam is divided into 2 groups. 1. The violent ones that kill and rejoice when a person is killed.
2. The peaceful ones that tell you Islam is a religion of peace.

Humans are generally divided in to either being violent or peaceful even atheists are so divided.

You are getting it wrong. I would not fault Islam if a Muslim leader is caught doing something wrong or something that is against his religion.
My point is, there are 2 Muslims one believes in using violence and the other says his religion is peace.
I have lived in up to 3 states in northern Nigeria. Let me tell you from my experience.
You would be attacked and beaten up for having a Muslim girlfriend and walking with her on the streets.
But if a Muslim guy has a Christian girlfriend, no violence.
I remember September 11, 2001 when the US was attacked, there was serious rejoicing among many Muslim communities including in Nigeria.
So I think it is very wrong to cliam that the violent Muslims are a minority.
During my NYSC days, a very close Muslim friend of mine told me that according to Islamic law, when a Muslim leaves the religion for another, he is killed. Now this my friend was not a killer in anyway. But the law is the law.

Firstly I'm not in support of any Muslims taking law in their hands. Muslims are to get married if able so there's no boyfriend/girlfriend in Islam.

Secondly islamic law forbids a Muslim female marrying non-muslims. No one can change that. The Christian law too forbids association with unbelievers!

Thirdly about the attack on USA, we can be happy about it and also sad at the same time. Sad for the people that lost their lives. Happy that the evil they raised is bitting them had. You can look for the conspiracies from USA behind the attack. You can watch notable Americans saying there were times in the past where they sponsored terrorists!

Just so you know, about 1 in every 7 Muslims is Shai. So if Shai is evil to the extend that the government has to wipe them out, that's a very big number of Muslims to be killed worldwide don't you think?

This is not true. It depends on the demographic region. Did the government kill Shia in Lagos or any other SW states? They are present there too!

[quote author=AntiChristian post=114938653] Humans are generally divided in to either being violent or peaceful even atheists are so divided.
I am not talking about plain human violence rather religious violence. Killing in the name of religion. That is a different thing.


Firstly I'm not in support of any Muslims taking law in their hands. Muslims are to get married if able so there's no boyfriend/girlfriend in Islam.

Secondly islamic law forbids a Muslim female marrying non-muslims. No one can change that. The Christian law too forbids association with unbelievers!
I understand that Islamic law forbids marrying a Christian but why should a girl, an adult not be free to break any law she chooses even if it takes her to hell? You do not use violence against someone for not obeying your believes.
Why should I be beaten up for that also.
Did the government kill Shia in Lagos or any other SW states? They are present there too! Till today, the government has not proved that the Shia killed anyone. According to Nigerian law, only one found guilt of murder should be killed. So that story get k leg.

AntiChristian:
So having all Christian governors in SE and SW really represents our diversity?
If you're really worried about diversity and not competition where do you place the other religions apart from Islam and Christianity? Abi na only Christians and Muslims dey Nigeria?

One or 2 states do not represent Nigeria with an almost equal population of Christians and Muslims.
Anambra state has less than 1percent Muslim, Sokoto has less than 5 percent Christian.
Officially, Nigeria has about equal Muslim Christian population.

tctrills:

One or 2 states do not represent Nigeria with an almost equal population of Christians and Muslims.
Anambra state has less than 1percent Muslim, Sokoto has less than 5 percent Christian.
Officially, Nigeria has about equal Muslim Christian population.

In the south we have no Muslim governor at present. If it's the other way round now CAN and Christians will shout islamisation.

Your stats and reasoning are wrong!

tctrills:

These men, dressed like bishops not even ordinary priests yet no one in Nigeria can recognize the fake bishops.

Let me explain who a bishop is to you, let's take Abeouta for example, it has many priests but usually just one bishop.

So who are these bishops that no single person recognizes.

Let's learn to tell the truth even if we don't agree politically.

Their identity is available online if you search well. Christians are liars!

AntiChristian:


Their identity is available online if you search well. Christians are liars!

Sir they are not, Not one single bishop. Please post the identities of the 30 bishops if you have them. Secondly I beg you, don't allow politics make you begin to hate Christians. That would make no sense.
The APC gave us 26 fake names. Please do a Google search on any of the names and see what shows up.

AntiChristian:


In the south we have no Muslim governor at present. If it's the other way round now CAN and Christians will shout islamisation.

Your stats and reasoning are wrong!

The population of Muslims in the 11 states of the SS and SE is not up to 2 percent. Most of these states have more traditional worshippers than Muslim. Just like we don't expect zamfara, Kano, Jigawa, and Sokoto to have Christian governors and no one is complaining. But Nigeria is not a state. By all stats, it's had almost equal population of Muslims and Christians. Do you understand my point?

tctrills:

The population of Muslims in the 11 states of the SS and SE is not up to 2 percent. Most of these states have more traditional worshippers than Muslim. Just like we don't expect zamfara, Kano, Jigawa, and Sokoto to have Christian governors and no one is complaining. But Nigeria is not a state. By all stats, it's had almost equal population of Muslims and Christians. Do you understand my point?

Yeah the so called Boko-haramic North are still more accommodating to Christians that SE to Muslims. Can you tell me just one Muslim in any important Government elected office in the heart of SE?

But in the North, you'll see find Christians....I don't understand your point.

AntiChristian:


Yeah the so called Boko-haramic North are still more accommodating to Christians that SE to Muslims. Can you tell me just one Muslim in any important Government elected office in the heart of SE?

But in the North, you'll see find Christians....I don't understand your point.

What are you talking about? I am not sure Kano has a Christian governors. What is your point.

AntiChristian:


Yeah the so called Boko-haramic North are still more accommodating to Christians that SE to Muslims. Can you tell me just one Muslim in any important Government elected office in the heart of SE?

But in the North, you'll see find Christians....I don't understand your point.

Let me try and explain it to you this way, democracy is all about getting represented. Nigeria is almost 50/50 Muslim Christian hence have a Muslim/Muslim presidency makes no sense.
Kano has about 10 percent Christian so I don't expect to see a Christian governor in Kano.
Imo is over 95 percent Christian so I understand if Muslims do not make up the government.
Nigerian demography either Kano or Imo but somewhere in between. Hence your government should reflect that.

tctrills:

Sir they are not, Not one single bishop. Please post the identities of the 30 bishops if you have them. Secondly I beg you, don't allow politics make you begin to hate Christians. That would make no sense.
The APC gave us 26 fake names. Please do a Google search on any of the names and see what shows up.

I don't hate Christians. I hate their bigotry & hypocrisy!

So which one do you know among them? Tell your own lies? Abi you just felt it?

Findings:
The insinuation that the cleric who attended the unveiling of Shettima were fake was first propounded by CAN to discredit the attendees and consolidate its position that no Christian should vote for a Muslim-Muslim ticket. Some of the bishops who attended the event have come up to disclose their identities, showing that they were not fake.

For instance, one of the purported fake Bishop Kamoru from Lagos, according to Twitter, is actually a real cleric from Peace Chapel Mararaba. Photo has emerged where he was seen conducting a wedding in the church and some of his members have come up to say that they knew him personally.

Reverend Father Hyacinth Alia, of Gkoko Catholic Diocese Benue State was also among the cleric CAN called fake. He is also the APC Governorship candidate in Benue.

Another cleric, Pastor Prince Ugokwe, who was called fake was also at the event. Ugokwe has made his identity known that he is truly a pastor and not fake. Right now the identities of all clerics who attended the event were known.

Verdict: CAN lied when it said that the bishops and pastors who attended unveiling of Shettima as Tinubu’s running mate were fake, mechanics and artisans. Findings have shown that they were truly pastors and bishops with known identities.

https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2022/07/21/fact-check-are-bishops-pastors-who-attended-tinubus-unveiling-of-shettima-fake/

AntiChristian:


I don't hate Christians. I hate their bigotry & hypocrisy!

So which one do you know among them? Tell your own lies? Abi you just felt it?

Findings:
The insinuation that the cleric who attended the unveiling of Shettima were fake was first propounded by CAN to discredit the attendees and consolidate its position that no Christian should vote for a Muslim-Muslim ticket. Some of the bishops who attended the event have come up to disclose their identities, showing that they were not fake.

For instance, one of the purported fake Bishop Kamoru from Lagos, according to Twitter, is actually a real cleric from Peace Chapel Mararaba. Photo has emerged where he was seen conducting a wedding in the church and some of his members have come up to say that they knew him personally.

Reverend Father Hyacinth Alia, of Gkoko Catholic Diocese Benue State was also among the cleric CAN called fake. He is also the APC Governorship candidate in Benue.

Another cleric, Pastor Prince Ugokwe, who was called fake was also at the event. Ugokwe has made his identity known that he is truly a pastor and not fake. Right now the identities of all clerics who attended the event were known.

Verdict: CAN lied when it said that the bishops and pastors who attended unveiling of Shettima as Tinubu’s running mate were fake, mechanics and artisans. Findings have shown that they were truly pastors and bishops with known identities.

https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2022/07/21/fact-check-are-bishops-pastors-who-attended-tinubus-unveiling-of-shettima-fake/

Sir APC claimed they had 30 bishops not pastors. Ugokwe says he is a pastor not a bishop. Ask your Christian friends, there is a big difference

tctrills:

Sir APC claimed they had 30 bishops not pastors. Ugokwe says he is a pastor not a bishop. Ask your Christian friends, there is a big difference

That's not my business! My business is you telling me those at the unveiling of Shetima were fake!

tctrills:

Let me try and explain it to you this way, democracy is all about getting represented. Nigeria is almost 50/50 Muslim Christian hence have a Muslim/Muslim presidency makes no sense.
Kano has about 10 percent Christian so I don't expect to see a Christian governor in Kano.
Imo is over 95 percent Christian so I understand if Muslims do not make up the government.
Nigerian demography either Kano or Imo but somewhere in between. Hence your government should reflect that.

It makes sense since Nigeria is not a religion based country! Why not fight for other religions apart from Muslim and Christians?
Why not fight for atheists if you are sincere?

AntiChristian:


It makes sense since Nigeria is not a religion based country! Why not fight for other religions apart from Muslim and Christians?
Why not fight for atheists if you are sincere?

So according to stats, Nigeria over 95 percent of the Country are either Muslim or Christian. And of the remaining 5 percent is divided into more than 100 different religions.

tctrills:

So according to stats, Nigeria over 95 percent of the Country are either Muslim or Christian. And of the remaining 5 percent is divided into more than 100 different religions.

False.

More than 10% will classified as having more than one religion! Some pastors/Muslims engage in traditionalism!

AntiChristian:


False.

More than 10% will classified as having more than one religion! Some pastors/Muslims engage in traditionalism!

Well even at 10 percent broken into over 100 religions, they become too small for the national discussion.
How many Ikuku worshippers do we have?
How many Ogun worshippers.
If them make up a reasonable minority them we can have the discussion.
But for now, we have to major religions that represent at least 90 percent of all Nigerians and that matters.
Just so you know, we wouldn't support a Christian/Christian presidency.

AntiChristian:


False.

More than 10% will classified as having more than one religion! Some pastors/Muslims engage in traditionalism!

Simple question for you, would it have mattered to you if Tinubu chose a Yoruba man as his vice?

tctrills:

Simple question for you, would it have mattered to you if Tinubu chose a Yoruba man as his vice?

I don't even care! I didn't vote last Pres. Election!
Everyone has their choice/opinion.

tctrills:

Well even at 10 percent broken into over 100 religions, they become too small for the national discussion.
How many Ikuku worshippers do we have?
How many Ogun worshippers.
If them make up a reasonable minority them we can have the discussion.
But for now, we have to major religions that represent at least 90 percent of all Nigerians and that matters.
Just so you know, we wouldn't support a Christian/Christian presidency.

That's your business!
It's not mine.

Even with Osinbajo as VP, many of his staff are from RCCG.
Na only Buhari they will always accuse of favoring the north!

AntiChristian:


I don't even care! I didn't vote last Pres. Election!
Everyone has their choice/opinion.

So, all this discussion was for nothing. If you don't care, then you shouldn't expect everyone to be like you.
Most Nigerians would be concerned if he chose a fellow Yoruba as his vice. So it's funny to see many of them pretending now he chose a fellow Muslim just because the are Muslims.

AntiChristian:


That's your business!
It's not mine.

Even with Osinbajo as VP, many of his staff are from RCCG.
Na only Buhari they will always accuse of favoring the north!

Your personal staff is your of your business. They are there to serve you
My biggest issue with Buhari was bad leadership. If Buhari was a good man, his personal staff can come from his village. But here we are not discussing personal staff but the position of the vice president of Nigeria

tctrills:

So, all this discussion was for nothing. If you don't care, then you shouldn't expect everyone to be like you.
Most Nigerians would be concerned if he chose a fellow Yoruba as his vice. So it's funny to see many of them pretending now he chose a fellow Muslim just because the are Muslims.

Nigerian constitution is not against what he did. What he did is for the interest of his election. He believes in what he did. If he wins then he is justified. And if not then he lose it all.

Politics is not a do or die affair. Follow your own opinion and let others follow theirs. You should say because you dislike Muslim-Muslim ticket then others too should act likewise.

Tinubu is not even much of a Muslim as his wife is an RCCG pastor. Almost all (If not all) his children are Christians!
So wetin we carry for head?

tctrills:

Your personal staff is your of your business. They are there to serve you
My biggest issue with Buhari was bad leadership. If Buhari was a good man, his personal staff can come from his village. But here we are not discussing personal staff but the position of the vice president of Nigeria

So Personal staff does not follow choosing qualified people from each geopolitical zones and based on those religions you called popular!
Na RCCG be the authentic Christians and religion!

Abeg shift!

AntiChristian:


Nigerian constitution is not against what he did. What he did is for the interest of his election. He believes in what he did. If he wins then he is justified. And if not then he lose it all.

Politics is not a do or die affair. Follow your own opinion and let others follow theirs. You should say because you dislike Muslim-Muslim ticket then others too should act likewise.

Tinubu is not even much of a Muslim as his wife is an RCCG pastor. Almost all (If not all) his children are Christians!
So wetin we carry for head?

You are right, if what he did was against the constitution, we would have asked for his arrest and not mere condemnation.
We have not suggested killing anyone so the question of politics not being do or die makes no sense here.
We are not voting for Tinubu wife or Children. I don't even know the name of Obi's wife or her religion
And it does not matter to me.

AntiChristian:


So Personal staff does not follow choosing qualified people from each geopolitical zones and based on those religions you called popular!
Na RCCG be the authentic Christians and religion!

Abeg shift!

You just used the word personal staff to qualify it. They are there to serve you not the country. We do not vote for them or expect anything from them. They are not answerable to the public so we don't concern ourselves with that.

tctrills:

You are right, if what he did was against the constitution, we would have asked for his arrest and not mere condemnation.
We have not suggested killing anyone so the question of politics not being do or die makes no sense here.
We are not voting for Tinubu wife or Children.

You are not voting for him simply because he's called a Muslim.

And you prefer a Christian President.

Enough of this Muslim-Muslim noise!

tctrills:

You just used the word personal staff to qualify it. They are there to serve you not the country. We do not vote for them or expect anything from them. They are not answerable to the public so we don't concern ourselves with that.

Rather say other Christian denominations and religions don't deserve such jobs. Once i am employed na to go look for my mosque people pack in their as is available in most government parastatals. Na church members boku for their. The employer will even be asking which parish one attends!

When it's personal staff then democracy goes silent!

AntiChristian:


You are not voting for him simply because he's called a Muslim.

And you prefer a Christian President.

Enough of this Muslim-Muslim noise!

I voted for Umaru Musa Yar'Adua and Atiku. The last time I checked those guys were Muslim

AntiChristian:


Rather say other Christian denominations and religions don't deserve such jobs. Once i am employed na to go look for my mosque people pack in their as is available in most government parastatals. Na church members boku for their. The employer will even be asking which parish one attends!

When it's personal staff then democracy goes silent!

Let me explain, we do not vote for personal staff so obviously democracy has nothing to do with it.
Secondly, these staff are not employed to serve the nation so democracy has nothing to do with it.
When we take about democracy, we talk about what concerns the nation not the individual.

AntiChristian:


You are not voting for him simply because he's called a Muslim.

And you prefer a Christian President.

Enough of this Muslim-Muslim noise!

And just so you know, most of the Christians complaining about Muslim/Muslim have at one time or the other voted for a Muslim.

tctrills:

I voted for Umaru Musa Yar'Adua and Atiku. The last time I checked those guys were Muslim

That one na mistake.

See one of your Pastors saying his sheeples should vote in favour of the Church!

He said....

A Clear Instruction (i think from the Holy Spirit), when it is time to vote, vote in the favor of the church not for your party!
Any believer that sells out his faith in the name of party is heading for hell.
https://twitter.com/DeeOneAyekooto/status/1550533408601751553