With all due respect to Sammie Okposi, you cannot blame churches for taking their stance on him. Sammie didn't womanize and repent. He did it with impunity. Even as at last year, he went abroad and had an affair only to apologize when he was about to be exposed.
Sammie was not ready to change. Hope he eventually changed after his last affair. His problem is the problem of millions of men like me.

FashionCookie:
Christianity 4 Nigeria get as e take dey.
If person wan reason as e take dey, to go church sef go hard.

and islam nko?

Richy4:

When one is called a Christian... Christ like...The idea of what will Jesus do should be an utmost important each time one trys to play God...

A lot of people have been offended in the church which Jesus himself might be even shocked at how some matters in the church were being handled....

In terms of bad behaviour, We can't run and condemn bad behaviour like the Government... Christian doctrine is centred on forgiveness... Even on the cross Jesus said father forgive them for they no not what...

When a church condemned a particular bad behaviour of a member which was great, what next? Isolate the individual? Is that what Christ would have done?..yes we can call out the bad behaviour and condemn it but not the individual...

Honestly I wouldn't have wanted this discourse on this particular thread for some reasons because as far as I am concerned Sammie asked for forgiveness, confessed to his wife, confessed openly and also probably repented which is the most I feel he can do, it's left between him and his maker now.

That said a lot of times we tend not to read the Bible completely we just take a part and run with it, sometimes we tend to forget he is God of grace, justice, vengeance etc.
I see the what would Jesus do statement a lot I always remember how he did prevent the people from stoning the adulterous lady and how he also used a whip to chase the buyers and sellers out of the temple.

I had this discussion with a friend and it centered on churches encouraging abortion because they won't wed pregnant couples.
That the church judges them so much heck even the person that wrote the tweet we were discussing was like Jesus was conceived out of marriage ( I was shocked does this person know the context) and also some people commit fornication and still get married because they didn't get pregnant, and the simple questions I always ask is does the Bible support fornication? should the church just let workers committing fornication/adultery just continue without any form of discipline?

If someone decides to commit another sin of abortion simply because he can't face the consequences of a sin of fornication(which is mostly being stopped from being a worker for sometime and at worst not having a church wedding) Is that the church's problem?


So what you are saying in essence in your 2nd paragraph? There shouldn't be discipline?

Isolation is not the right word if you ask me, the problem is not the discipline itself, the problem is church people we keep on talking and talking about the matter ehn.

Most times the discipline is simply preventing you from doing the stuff you do in church, if you are a worker you stop, if you climb the alter you stop and most times its 6 months max and you must come to church, people find this very demeaning and difficult to do especially if you were in a high position in church and if you ask me it's all about ego and not even being christ like.

So both the church members who are talking so much about the issue and the member who refuse to be disciplined are in the same category.


This simple issue we are talking here has so extended so much that people can't even be corrected in church for minor things now, a pastor Mrs can't tell a woman to cover up properly, she will be bashed, Ushers too. Even some Pastors can't say the truth from the pulpit anymore.
The most terrible set are the teenagers they do anyhow and behave anyhow in church and most churches can't do anything anymore else they get bashed mostly by the parents. So everybody is allowing people to do anyhow behave anyhow in church and we see the consequences and you know what we have just started

FashionCookie:
Christianity 4 Nigeria get as e take dey.
If person wan reason as e take dey, to go church sef go hard.

I no dey go church again.. church for Nigeria na scam

saintkel:
and islam nko?

I can't say about Islam because I'm not a Muslim.
I served in Kwara, and the School was a Moslem school. Used to follow them to the mosque on Fridays(sometimes. Especially during exams period. Teachers were asked to pray for their students too ) But the love they showed me was massive. Pure love I tell you, no kidding.
I still have my hijab with me even.

ekevwe:


I no dey go church again.. church for Nigeria na scam

I'm not proud to say it but since this year, I never go church reach 6x for Ninja.
When I dey Accra I no dey miss mass. Bcus service there was heavenly. I no just too dey feel d vibes here jare.

Richy4:

We are not all that bad... most of us are good people... Many doesn't play God.. but you know in every organisation, there are extremists right..?

Yeah right.

CoronaVirusRelo :
The bald vulture seeking relevance!

but if you check am your entire familyl combine can never be this relevant. Mr bald vulture.

Nazgul:
This is one problem I have with Nigerians. They judge a lot even though they're most times worse than the person they're condemning.

Rip Sammy...you will be greatly missed.

This is being hypocritical.... for every action there is an opposite reaction.... Also, to whom much is given, much is expected.

The most important thing is sammie okposo making amends before his death.
However, Sammie Okposo was an adult aware of the status he held among men most especially among Christians, he knew the consequences of his actions, and at such the reaction of the church should not have come as a surprise to him, cos it was expected.

Being ostracized is the price we pay for not choosing where we belong or belonging to where we do not choose.

Falseprofet2:

Suleiman I can't call you pastor because your life of scandals is not one of a pastor.
You should still be in mourning. If those who died in your car attack were members of your family would you be jumping into every topic right now?

make him died because him entourage die….Fool and an idiot. He’s a friend of Sammie take note

hbk001:
That's the kind of people we have all over these days.
When you need serious help, no one to look at you but once you're no more, EYE SERVICE.
The worst part is those that will start judging your acts and attitudes as if alot of them are not worst. Anytime I remember the parable of Jesus Christ and the prostitute, I just imagine what would've happened to that woman if Jesus didn't show up at the temple that moment. We humans should stop judging others. Live and let others live

R.I.P Sammy!! May the Almighty accept your soul to eternal life.

If we don't judge others, so what will happen to Rapists, Serial Killers, Assasins, Armed Robbers, etc, dont you think they have an excuse for their actions.

LibertyRep:
When someone strays, I feel he should be rightly rebuked ( not thrown out) and not indulged. That might even be the 'love' hr need to come back to his senses.

Those showing unnecessary solidarity in the times of wrong may be the enemies that want them to sink deeper into their sins

God will bless you for this statement 'rightly rebuked'.

People commenting as if the church should have cheered him on after the scandal

densiks:
This was a complicated situation,he may have died of natural causes or any other health issue unrelated to lack of love or being judged as has been touted.

At what point was it realized that love has left the church?
What is love and who are those that deserve to be loved in the church or by the church

Those "business centers" cannot be referred to as the church and you cannot find love in a business center, rather you find profit!

To those who condemned him,to those who could no longer invite him for programs and to those who mocked him,he is now gone,look around for another person to fill the gap.

What we have with us who remain for now are lessons to be learnt.

If you are in church business and you want to remain relevant,then don't be in a position of weakness. JUST one exposed error cost him a lot while several others because of the religious position they hold would have downplayed it and used several tools to suppress the matter.

In the end,our lives were not meant to be a bed of roses,you fight a good fight until you reach the transition

Another comment wey make sense.

Knowing the possition he held and what he was engaging in, it was his responsibility to 'suppress it'.

And not the duty of the church to cheer him on

ebukajay184:
'Love Has Left The Church': Apostle Suleman Calls Out Pastors Who Judged Sammie Okposo

General Overseer of Omega Fire Ministries (OFM), Apostle Johnson Suleman has criticised his colleagues who "judged" gospel singer Sammie Okposo when he was involved in a scandal but are now posting his photos to mourn him following his death, IGBERETV reports.

He wrote on Twitter;



https://twitter.com/APOSTLESULEMAN/status/1596203039530291200?t=rX-rwG6LRB4U6ohGSRbmmQ&s=19

Actually what he refer to as Church, is not Church; but organizations owned an managed by men and tagged 'Church'

Today is hypocrisy, sorry, church service day! On Fridays, it would be bloody, sorry, Allah ak- bomb day! All na wash!

Is Pastor Suleiman trying to say that we should always clap and encourage sinners and sins? If Okposo was slammed and chastised by pastors, it's a good thing. If a Okposo was given suspension, it's a good thing. You shouldn't be a leader in whatever aspect of ministry, yet sexual sins is your weakness. If you can't control yourself, go on suspension and seek the face of God. Get help first.

victorVIC1:


The point here is God didn't appoint us humans to relief his duty as the judge. Everyone has his or her race and as such should focus on completing his or her own race. If a brother stumbles, the principles of the kingdom would rather we help the brother to regain their balance than to crucify the brother. This is clearly supported by the parable of leaving the 99 to search for the lost one.

In principle, we don't throw the baby with the bath water

This is what the word of God says. You can read it in any version you like.

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

You don't expect them to welcome him when he does something terrible and something great in both ways. They must reject him at one. Strike the balance. It is the law of God.

Birds of same feather!

how would they have show support for him when he was caught cheating on his wife?

My heart felt condolences to him. Hope he left an offspring behind, his decision to marry late was strange.

Truth is gospel music in Nigeria isn't what it used to be, everything is about money and show off, no passion no inspiration, no real message in the music. Just stupid dance videos.

Same goes for the pastors, ordained CEOs.

hbk001:
That's the kind of people we have all over these days.
When you need serious help, no one to look at you but once you're no more, EYE SERVICE.
The worst part is those that will start judging your acts and attitudes as if alot of them are not worst. Anytime I remember the parable of Jesus Christ and the prostitute, I just imagine what would've happened to that woman if Jesus didn't show up at the temple that moment. We humans should stop judging others. Live and let others live

R.I.P Sammy!! May the Almighty accept your soul to eternal life.

The incident of the woman "caught" in the act on the New Testament was never a Parable. It was a live action according to the New Testament Narratives.

And Jesus couldn't have pass a judgement on the woman because no one person is "Caught" in the Act! It takes two to commit adultery not one person unless Cucumber or a s*x toy was involved. Which in this case the Gospel Writers were silent.

So, it is in order for Jesus to have let the woman walked.

On the issue of Pastor Suley and what he said about Sammie when he had that issue, there is nothing hypocritical in what those who condemned him said then. He was in the wrong and and was condemned appropriately. Of cos Suley will side with "that" chapter in Sammie's life because he has been allegedly a serial philanderer himself.

LilMissFavvy:
Is Pastor Suleiman trying to say that we should always clap and encourage sinners and sins? If Okposo was slammed and chastised by pastors, it's a good thing. If a Okposo was given suspension, it's a good thing. You shouldn't be a leader in whatever aspect of ministry, yet sexual sins is your weakness. If you can't control yourself, go on suspension and seek the face of God. Get help first.

I agree with you 100%, his decision to stay unmarried was strange, wonder if he had any child after his brief marriage.

Sir, you cannot win this argument if you think along the lines of the way the world works.
Christ himself said He had come to put a sword between, meaning there will always be contrary views on every matter when viewed from the world, and from the perspective of man.

Yes, there is a duty of love, but there is also a duty of care and responsibility.
There is a need for restoration but there should also be an intolerance for irresponsibility.
When one is discarded for the other as both you and those you accuse have demonstrated then the ship capsizes.

The question is, is the church for the sinner or the saved, is it a factory or a dealership, is it a hospital or a home....
For what you simply ask is, what is the living doing amongst the dead or what is the dead doing amongst the living.

The church in truth is for all. For the same Christ who was seen with many who erred against the law also pursued away other sinners from 'His House'.
These paradoxes will remain with us until He returns.
Just avoid taking sides and becoming extreme. Let wisdom dictate your ways.
You say they shouldn't judge, but is that not exactly what you are doing??

So we should not call a spade, a spade anymore?

It's sad that such a wonderful singer is gone like that

This life at a certain point its all men for himself

The church is no more where she used to be!

I believe that those pastors who rebuke Okposo are the best. Please if I go wrong rebuke me, I just wished Okposo had repented before his dead. It's rewarding to repent while there is time. But for Suleman, I don't know where you got your version of gospel from. My advice for Suleiman is, he should repent now, there are so many stories about him and I wish those stories are false. May God have mercy on us all

ebukajay184:
'Love Has Left The Church': Apostle Suleman Calls Out Pastors Who Judged Sammie Okposo

General Overseer of Omega Fire Ministries (OFM), Apostle Johnson Suleman has criticised his colleagues who "judged" gospel singer Sammie Okposo when he was involved in a scandal but are now posting his photos to mourn him following his death, IGBERETV reports.

He wrote on Twitter;



https://twitter.com/APOSTLESULEMAN/status/1596203039530291200?t=rX-rwG6LRB4U6ohGSRbmmQ&s=19

yeah! Bird of a feather.

I have said this before IF YOU WORSHIP PASTORS YOU ARE A GRADE A MUGU..The bible is there for you.. Seek the holy spirit to interprete the bible..

Caution my fellow. Caution. Before your tongue will cleave to the foof

CoronaVirusRelo:
The bald vulture seeking relevance!

Togokenya:
Caution my fellow. Caution. Before your tongue will cleave to the foof

Fvck you!

Like what I said is a lie!

Is that thing not a bald vulture?

He knows he is the most judged minister when it comes adûltery. Apostle is indirectly appealing to be shown love and not drăggêd.