Kobojunkie:
So when God said, of Himself, "I AM,", God was instead confused because He ain't?

I think it is obvious at this point that you and I don't even worship the same God hence hence reason why your deity seems a ball of confusion where the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is concerned.

he is and he isn't. He knows what is not and at the same time knows that they are not.

He's both big and small.

[quote author=Kobojunkie post=119063075]1. None of those verses from those passages are quoted or thrown outside of logical context, but it seems you are simply trying to get around revealing your ignorance of what is in fact written in scripture.

2. That is an absolute lie! God's standard for all men in Jesus Christ is the exact same standard and His mandate to all men has remained the very same since the beginning - Obey Me!. So if you think that God will lower His standard to your level or bend His Law to please men, then you don't know who God is at all nor have you ever encountered Him because according to Him, only those who Obey Him can encounter Him.

Obedience is the Key and the only level via which any man can encounter God and God has never changed that mandate —not for any man.

3. Leave Packaging? You lot are the ones who go around regurgitating the packaged lies your pastors and mogs feed you as if to suggest those lies can upturn scripture by your restating of them. Also, if you really believe the statement in bold as fact, then of what use are your many pastors and mogs to your lives?

Look, God does not deal with people via emotions. Instead, what Jesus Christ told you the Spirit of Truth will do is to convict sinners by using the same Truth that is Jesus Christ. That is not an emotional experience. NO, it is one of lo


Learn to be quiet and preach your God's sent message rather than feasting and complaining about people opinion. God has no business with such. You are someone that has potential to lock people potential as most of the time you focus on slightest thing...

Crystalom5:
he is and he isn't. He knows what is not and at the same time knows that they are not.

He's both big and small.

we don't serve the same God abeg!

DearGorgeous:


You felt right, my sister. The power and move of the Holy Spirit was something out of this world that night. It was totally on another level altogether.

May God continue to preserve and reserve our father in the Lord for greater works.

Amen!!!. You felt it too? God bless you my sister.

Go understand the issue being thrashed first even if the verse is too difficult for you to comprehend.
Start from somewhere and stop jumping the gun

If I introduce
Moses'
If your presence doesn't go with us now, you'd start looking for what is not lost

benardtotti:


Don't confuse yourself, God's presence is everlasting, why is it that Christians don't have everlasting emotional joy ?

Naira20:
Go understand the issue being thrashed first even if the verse is too difficult for you to comprehend.
Start from somewhere and stop jumping the gun

He seemed to clearly grasp this as his question to you is the same I had been asking all the while.

I know you are the one switching accounts.

Kobojunkie:
He seemed to clearly grasp this as his question to you is the same I had been asking all the while.

Kobojunkie:
we don't serve the same God abeg!

You really need to grow up and start your own ministry

Since you have a vast amount of knowledge in the scriptures.

Stick to what God has called you ( if there is) and keep quiet

Naira20:
I know you are the one switching accounts.

ROFLMAO

Kobojunkie:
1. That in no way means God is not to be taken at His Word. God does not relate with anyone anyway He likes because God is a faithful God meaning He does not change or lower His standard nor bend His Law in any situation and for no man.

The lie that you can't completely understand God was fed to you by your pastors and mogs and not by God. God never told men that they first need to understand Him in order to be in compliance with His Laws.

2. God can relate to His own through the very same false teacher and a false prophet whom God warned His followers to steer clear of? Is that like saying God can relate to people through Satan or something?

You can't completely understand God because of so many reasons
Over familiarity can set in and people will begin to misbehave due to see finish
How do you know who a false prophet is when you do not have the discerning spirit
God can relate with whoever he likes because he is a kind and forgiving God, even if you are a sinner he can relate with you so that you can repent and come back to him for example Apostle Paul, Jonah, Zacchaeus, etc
Do not judge, leave God to judge people according to their works

DIVAD2000:
1. You really need to grow up and start your own ministry

2. Since you have a vast amount of knowledge in the scriptures. Stick to what God has called you ( if there is) and keep quiet

1. God forbid!

2. There are no different callings in Jesus Christ mind you as the expectation and work to be done by each and every follower is pretty much the same. We are all -- each and everyone of us --- meant to do the work that Jesus Christ did and more - John 14 vs 1 - 12, and that is work is believing in the one who God sent - John 6 vs 25 - 35.

Kobojunkie:
we don't serve the same God abeg!

you're probably an idol worshipper then

Shegs12345:
1. You can't completely understand God because of so many reasons

2. Over familiarity can set in and people will begin to misbehave due to see finish
How do you know who a false prophet is when you do not have the discerning spirit. God can relate with whoever he likes because he is a kind and forgiving God, even if you are a sinner he can relate with you so that you can repent and come back to him for example Apostle Paul, Jonah, Zacchaeus, etc
Do not judge, leave God to judge people according to their works

1. Who fed you that lie abeg?

God never even said one first needs to understand Him before one can belong to Him and obey His Law, so I don't understand why people think to bring that up every so often. I don't pretend to understand God at all since my mind is probably not able to grasp Him in Just this lifetime. However, I do understand God's Law enough to know what what He mandates is obedience of His every teaching and commandments and it is by this that I benefit from all that which God has made available to me through Jesus Christ. Understanding of God's Law is what is more important than trying to first understand God, and it is by understanding God's Law that you are able to then better understand who God is.

2. The statement in bold is yet another lie. God will never bend or break His own Law to accommodate any man. Let us consider the case of Zacchaeus as told in scripture for example. Jesus Christ did not bend any of God's Law in His dealings with the man, Zacchaeus. Zacchaeus, obviously a sinner at the time must have felt he was in need of saving hence the reason why he sought Jesus Christ out. And after listening to Jesus Christ, Zacchaeus, aware of what it is God commands- Ezekiel 33 vs 9 - 20 - then proclaimed he would do exactly as God commands. Notice how Zacchaeus had to do the seeking and the obeying in order to be saved -- no shortcuts where give him..

The same applies to every other person out there. No shortcuts. Learn to judge all things according to God's own word do you can more easily decipher the bullsheet that is being fed to you from the mouths of men who use God's name to hide their deceit.

Crystalom5:
you're probably an idol worshipper then

Look who's talking!

Hahahaha! Na Ur own opinion, Dude. .
I won't be surprised if he doesn't make it to Heaven. .

Kobojunkie:
Look who's talking!

at least he believes in yahweh

Naira20:
As much as I may not agree with the Op, what's your problem with her personal experience?

You delight in saying things that has no biblical basis.
Who cares about what you feel.
Your personal experiences or understanding should remain with you abeg.

If you feel you want to teach about what you know, create a thread

Imagine, God doesn't deal with His followers with emotion... Bla bla bla.
But He has emotions, in His presence is fullness of Joy and at His right hand are pleasure..
Wetin be Joy and pleasure?

Thank you. I totally agree with you. In the presence of God is the fullness of joy.

@
Kobojunkie, I will advise you come down from your lofty height whereby you are presenting yourself as an authority who can never be wrong.

It's ok to be wrong but very disturbing that you are not ready to accept correction even when shown relevant scripture. No one, except maybe Jesus has the perfect knowledge of God.

How could you say God cannot relate with his children through their emotions just because sinners claim they have such experiences, too? Who gave humans emotions in the first place? Are you even sure what they experience is joy or just happiness?

Maybe you also need to check the following scriptures in addition:

For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, Rom 14:17

In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from [the] wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sigh, Luk 10:21

If Jesus himself rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and an essential feature of the kingdom of God is joy in the Holy Spirit, are you saying God is not involved in these open display of emotions?

You should beware of leading others astray with this your know-it-all attitude.

Bro, you're very over right. Proverb 23 vs 9 you need to apply that verse of the bible sometimes expecially when conversation with people go south.
You actually open my eyes to something today. Not everyone can think/reason logically and bible words are living words and the words are not in
the understands many because God has not open their spiritual ears.







I am afraid you are the one who isn't doing any reading whatsoever.

I explained in my very first response on this thread that what you lot assume to be joy in the presence of God, unbelievers also experience regularly at nightclubs, strip clubs, concerts, and orchestra halls. Some even spike themselves in order to have a higher level of this feeling of euphoria, so unless you are trying to tell me that the presence of God is also in those nightclubs and strip clubs, I suggest you begin logically processing that which is written in scripture.

As for the presence of God, well, according to Jesus Christ, that presence only exists inside of those who belong to Him — those who obey His teachings and commandments as explained in John 14 vs 15 - 20 & John 15 vs 7 - 11 — so why you think that God's presence exists in a place/location is beyond me. Realize this is the very same Jesus Christ warned His followers against men who would come to them using His name, claiming the presence of God is here or there - Matthew 24 vs 23 - 26.

2. Jesus Christ never said that the Holy Spirit aka the Spirit of Truth's job is to give interpretations of any kind. If you have any understanding of logic, you would note that in Logic, for any particular situation, there is only one Truth meaning all other interpretations and opinions are lies. So when you suggest that the Spirit of Truth interpreted God's Truth what you do is accuse Him, the Spirit of God, of feeding you a claim that is different from that decreed by Jesus Christ, the one who is God's Law — a lie.

3. The Holy Spirit gives peace? According to Scripture, it is instead Jesus Christ who gave to His followers His very own peace - John 16 vs 33, so where do you get that the Spirit of Truth is the one who gives you peace? And by the way, the peace that Jesus Christ gives His followers is not the temporary kind that comes and goes, as it is EVERMORE meaning it never stops or goes away. Your emotional type of peace on the other hand is dependent on your brain chemicals, moods, and dispositions. I hope you can see how it is nothing like your emotional ups and downs. [/quote]

God is good

aikhimself:


Don't confuse flesh emotiolism (which is very common with modern day pentecostal churches) with true spiritualism. The former can be triggered by submitting to a pastor who claims to possess certain powers while the later comes from total submission to the authority of one and only true Saviour, Jesus Christ.

Adeboye is just a pulpit conman just like most of them there. Ask him if he is a true man of God why is he sharing platform with politicians instead of converting them with gospel of salvation and upcoming judgement of God.

is it wrong for a Christian to be in politics

I know his aim.He set out to deceive some NLanders.I have observed him and know his intentions.

There are copious scriptures that shows God also communicates to us via feelings. I just don't want to waste energy because it'd be tantamount to casting gold to swine.

My aim was to use basic things to show how hollow he is.
Even a dunce knows Joy,pleasure,sorrow are emotions and feelings.

justt:


Thank you. I totally agree with you. In the presence of God is the fullness of joy.

@
Kobunje, I will advise you come down from your lofty height whereby you are presenting yourself as an authority who can never be wrong.

It's ok to be wrong but very disturbing that you are not ready to accept correction even when shown relevant scripture. No one, except maybe Jesus has the perfect knowledge of God.

How could you say God cannot relate with his children through their emotions just because sinners claim they have such experiences, too? Who gave humans emotions in the first place?

Maybe you also need to check the following scriptures in addition:

For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, Rom 14:17

In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from [the] wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sigh, Luk 10:21

If Jesus himself rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and an essential feature of the kingdom of God is joy in the Holy Spirit, are you saying God is not involved in these open display of emotions?

You should beware of leading others astray with this your know-it-all attitude.

Shantyken:
is it wrong for a Christian to be in politics

Yes, it is!

Naira20:
You don't understand my grouse with him.
He said,
God does not relate with His children via emotions. That the Op is deluded.
His aim was to make her feel her experience was entirely wrong.

As much as I know many could misunderstand their feelings, his assertion has no biblical support

Instead of him to see his fault, he's raising an entirely different issue.
We all know the standard to becoming believers but that's not the issue being thrashed.

When we study scriptures, we do so in order to "rightly divide it".

Any student of the Bible can see the emptiness in all he is writing.

I'm not interested in taking him.on logic because that not my aim.

If he wants to discuss scriptures, I can oblige him.I hate useless and unproductive argument.

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Crystalom5:
God is small and big.

how is God small

Shantyken:
how is God small

just trolling the id*ot

Kobojunkie:
For how long will you lot continue to live in this delusion abeg!

Unbelievers also speak of having the very same euphoric experience at rock concerts with their favorite rock stars, orchestras, etc. For you to believe your particular experience has to do with God and His Spirit reveals you have never in fact ever experienced God in your life. God does not deal with His followers via feelings and emotions. His power is not of your temporal emotions and feelings. Your mogs and pastors are no different from magicians given the way you describe your encounters.

. Op don't reply this anti-christ. When God will show him this his comment on his day of judgment, he will forever be lamenting in hell. Son of Lucifer. If u like quote me, I won't reply satan agent

Blessedmercy8:
I've been under a few other men of God but none stood out for me like pastor Adeboye. As in the power of God I've experienced from him, his humility and genuine walk and spiritual exercises just makes him outstanding among his fellow GOs.

Yesterdays holy ghost service was one of a kind. The power of God truly came down and I felt it. When he was doing the 360 turn, the power of God was just moving so heavily I felt I was going to throw up my spirit from within me. My spirit was literally trying to jump out of my body. Hmmm.... God is truly with Adeboye..

May God keep him for us. Amen.

I am blessed.

So they whole power of God came down and the only effect it had on You was to throw up?

Kobojunkie:
1. God forbid!

2. There are no different callings in Jesus Christ mind you as the expectation and work to be done by each and every follower is pretty much the same. We are all -- each and everyone of us --- meant to do the work that Jesus Christ did and more - John 14 vs 1 - 12, and that is work is believing in the one who God sent - John 6 vs 25 - 35.

Eyaah, do your "work" and stop making noise

DIVAD2000:
Eyaah, do your "work" and stop making noise

But it is exactly that "work" that I am doing here. Why you seem to have a problem with that is beyond me..

Kobojunkie:
While you were busy pulling up meanings of those words as far as man's world is concerned, you forgot to include the most important definition of all which is that of emotions.
Notice that emotions are brought on and regulated by neurophysiological changes which clearly indicate that they are temporal in nature. Now, compare that which the explanation of joy in the Psalm 16 vs 11 where you are told that Joy is forever more. Clearly, as I have attempted several times now to get you to see, the joy that is promised by God is not the same as the emotional kind of joy which only lasts so long.

It's either you are deliberately deviating or you don't understand what you are trying to explain!

No one has argued that emotions are not temporary, the point is that God relates with his people through their emotions.

The scripture, Ps 16:11, talks aboutm fullness of joy. This means, in some cases and in my own understanding, believers may not have that full joy.

Why?
The problem is not actually with God, but as humans, we are faced with difficult situations or challenges of life, which sometimes shifts our focus from God. At such moments, the joy may not be full.

I believe this is the more reason we need to fellowship with God, to focus our attention on him and him alone. Again, this is another reason why I believe God relates with us through our emotions because if our joy has been drained by challenges of life, it's just logical for God to meet the need by 'refilling' what we have lost - the joy emotion!

Though in the New Testament, we have God with us - Emmanuel, his presence is always with us but are always in his presence, I mean are we conscious of his presence at all times?

Definitely no! And that's why our joy may not full. But the moment we let go of our troubles and challenges and focus on him, we have our joy full again.

If we are not able to be conscious of his presence at all times, then the joy will be temporary. The fact that's is temporary doesn't means it's not from God or God is not involved. It only shows our capacity to receive.

So, the scripture is valid - only in the presence of God is the fullness of joy forevermore. When we get to heaven we will enjoy the forevermore aspect but as long as we are still here, it may keep fluctuating.

Blessedmercy8:


Amen!!!. You felt it too? God bless you my sister.

I did. It was too much. Same here too.