Ologbo147:
In an Empire, vassals were usually allowed to do their own thing but there are some certain rituals which cement those vassals to the centre.Bini never really participated in who emerges, but one thing is certain,they come to Benin for confirmation

Adele seem to have been anxious to strengthen his own claim to the throne by obtaining confirmation by the suzerain of Lagos, the king of Benin

Why will they come to Benin if they were not tied to her, they did not take the dead body to oyo, they did not go to collect emblems from Oyo and you say Lagos was not a vassal, do you even understand the role of an emperor

Even as late as the 1850s, Oba kosoko still confesses that Benin was suzerain over Lagos,not Oyo not Egba

Kosoko was called to a meeting on the Southern tip of the Lagos Island. however he rejected the offer of friendship by the british and declined to sign the treaty Using the ingenious argument that Lagos was under Benin and the Oba of Benin should be persuaded to sign the treaty on his behalf

Oba Kosoko was only playing the British to get them off his back

Lagos didn't even pay tribute to Lagos

and when the British took over Lagos in 1861 Benin made no Protest

Is it Benin that Gen Ogedengbe and the Ekiti Parapo were already invading in 1861 that will be complaining about what was happening in faraway Lagos


Ogedengbe was such a bad boy that Benin City itself was hanging by a thread before the Ekiti Parapo Army of Gen Ogedengbe


By the way if you see any Edo Person with the surname Ogedengbe just know they descended from the Ekiti Parapo Army of Ogedengbe that Invaded the Benin Kingdom

Christistruth03:



Oba Kosoko was only playing the British to get them off his back

Lagos didn't even pay tribute to Lagos

and when the British took over Lagos in 1861 Benin made no Protest

Is it Benin that Gen Ogedengbe and the Ekiti Parapo were already invading in 1861 that will be complaining about what was happening in faraway Lagos


Ogedengbe was such a bad boy that Benin City itself was hanging by a thread before the Ekiti Parapo Army of Ogedengbe


By the way if you see any Edo Person with the surname Ogedengbe just know they descended from the Ekiti Parapo Army of Ogedengbe that Invaded the Benin Kingdom

Now this is a deflective technique,

According to what we have by Ryder,

Lagos still paid tribute

The products of the blacksmith guilds were also means by which the Oba
determined the loyalty or otherwise of a vassal states to Benin kingdom. They were
also the means by which the Oba legitimized the rulers in the vassal states. The
“emblem of authority” or “staff of office” sent by Oba Osemwende (c.1816) to king
Akintoye of Lagos in the course of the 1850s symbolized the Oba’s hegemony over
Lagos and the legitimization of the Akintoye’s reign over his people. The acceptance
of this emblem implied the King of Lagos’ recognition of the over-lordship of the
Oba of Benin; with the obligation of annual tributes to Benin (A.F.C. Ryder, 1977,
p.14). Benin and the Europeans 1485 - 1897


Kosoko was called to a meeting on the Southern tip of the Lagos Island. however he rejected the offer of friendship by the british and declined to sign the treaty Using the ingenious argument that Lagos was under Benin and the Oba of Benin should be persuaded to sign the treaty on his behalf

If he was using it to get the british off his back, why did he not say the Alaafin of Oyo or The Egba king. In an empire, vassals are usually allowed some authority and most times allowed to do their thing, there was usually an Overarching authority that is why it is an empire. Benin had the last hold on lagos before british took over

Ologbo147:
Now this is a deflective technique,

According to what we have by Ryder,

Lagos still paid tribute

The products of the blacksmith guilds were also means by which the Oba
determined the loyalty or otherwise of a vassal states to Benin kingdom. They were
also the means by which the Oba legitimized the rulers in the vassal states. The
“emblem of authority” or “staff of office” sent by Oba Osemwende (c.1816) to king
Akintoye of Lagos in the course of the 1850s symbolized the Oba’s hegemony over
Lagos and the legitimization of the Akintoye’s reign over his people. The acceptance
of this emblem implied the King of Lagos’ recognition of the over-lordship of the
Oba of Benin; with the obligation of annual tributes to Benin (A.F.C. Ryder, 1977,
p.14). Benin and the Europeans 1485 - 1897


Kosoko was called to a meeting on the Southern tip of the Lagos Island. however he rejected the offer of friendship by the british and declined to sign the treaty Using the ingenious argument that Lagos was under Benin and the Oba of Benin should be persuaded to sign the treaty on his behalf

If he was using it to get the british off his back, why did he not say the Alaafin of Oyo or The Egba king. In an empire, vassals are usually allowed some authority and most times allowed to do their thing, there was usually an Overarching authority that is why it is an empire. Benin had the last hold on lagos before british took over

How many Soldiers did Benin send to defend Lagos when Britain attacked Kosoko ?

Not even one

Benin had already lost majority of its vassal states before it's final collapse in 1897

Christistruth03:



How many Soldiers did Benin send to defend Lagos when Britain attacked Kosoko ?

Not even one

Benin had already lost majority of its vassal states before it's finally Collapse in 1897

Nothwithstanding not to argue Benin was weak in the 19th century nevertheless the stool of lagos still recognized the suzerainty of Benin even in that 19th century. Yes many of them, we can agree on this common point.

Ologbo147:
Nothwithstanding not to argue Benin was weak in the 19th century nevertheless the stool of lagos still recognized the suzerainty of Benin even in that 19th century. Yes many of them, we can agree on this common point.

Lagos was fully independent of Benin by the time the Egbas of Abeokuta installed Oba Adele on the throne in 1834

Benin had no input in the matter at all

Also it was Oyo that assisted Kosoko to the throne

Egbas also supported Akintoye after Kosoko his nephew usurped the throne

and it was the Egbas Christians that persuaded Queen Victoria through letters

and Bishop Ajayi Crowther who went to visit her at Windsor Castle to persuade her to invade Lagos

So as to finally end King Kosoko’s Slave Trade at Lagos

Lagos was Bombarded on the 26th of December 1851 barely 6 weeks after Bishop Ajayi’s visit to Queen Victoria

and Kosoko was removed from the throne with Oba Akintoye being reinstated

On the throne

https://litcaf.com/samuel-adjai-crowther/#0

Benin was a complete no show in the matter

Bishop Ajayi Crowther was the real founding father of Nigeria

It was he and the Egbas that had Persuaded the British to Bombard Lagos

Many Egba Christians were Returned Slaves who had been Sold at Lagos and they were very Passionate

about ending the Evil Trade

https://litcaf.com/samuel-adjai-crowther/#0


https://www.thehistoryville.com/founding-fathers-nigeria/

Christistruth03:



Lagos was fully independent of Benin by the time the Egbas of Abeokuta installed Oba Adele on the throne in 1834

Benin had no input in the matter at all

Also it was Oyo that assisted Kosoko to the throne

Egbas also supported Akintoye after Kosoko his nephew usurped the throne

and it was the Egbas Christians that persuaded Queen Victoria through letters

and Bishop Ajayi Crowther who went to visit her at Windsor Castle to persuade her to invade Lagos

So as to finally end King Kosoko’s Slave Trade at Lagos

Lagos was Bombarded on the 26th of December 1851 barely 6 weeks after Bishop Ajayi’s visit to Queen Victoria

and Kosoko was removed from the throne with Oba Akintoye being reinstated

On the throne

https://litcaf.com/samuel-adjai-crowther/#0

Benin was a complete no show in the matter

Bishop Ajayi Crowther was the real founding father of Nigeria

It was he and the Egbas that had Persuaded the British to Bombard Lagos

Many Egba Christians were Returned Slaves who had been Sold at Lagos and they were very Passionate

about ending the Evil Trade

https://litcaf.com/samuel-adjai-crowther/#0


https://www.thehistoryville.com/founding-fathers-nigeria/

It was on the basis of the emblems that the Oba of lagos received even in the 50s that made Ryder made that absolute statement that that was how the Oba of Benin cement his overlordship over vassal states.

fine Benin was weak at the time, but that was never a yardstick for Ryder as you can see from this excerpt in 1850s that the Oba of lagos at the time still received emblems from Benin.

Even the Adele you talked about still struggle to take his father's body to Benin, because that is only how he could get full confirmation to the throne.

you know what total independence would mean? total independence would mean not sending the body of the late king to Benin for burial,total independence would mean not taken emblems from Benin at all to validates the stool. so long and for how long that that existed at the time. It was taken by Ryder and other scholars to mean subserviency to the stool of Benin

Did Oba Akintoye of Lagos received emblems in the 1850s , yes. and according to Ryder, it was to validates his stool. So long as that practice of taken dead bodies of late Oba's of lagos to Benin existed, so long as the practice of taken emblems from Benin existed, such a kingdom was seen as a vassal to the bigger country called Benin. it is not my words, it is Ryder's.

The products of the blacksmith guilds were also means by which the Oba
determined the loyalty or otherwise of a vassal states to Benin kingdom. They were
also the means by which the Oba legitimized the rulers in the vassal states. The
“emblem of authority” or “staff of office” sent by Oba Osemwende (c.1816) to king
Akintoye of Lagos in the course of the 1850s symbolized the Oba’s hegemony over
Lagos and the legitimization of the Akintoye’s reign over his people. The acceptance
of this emblem implied the King of Lagos’ recognition of the over-lordship of the
Oba of Benin; with the obligation of annual tributes to Benin (A.F.C. Ryder, 1977,
Benin and the Europeans
p.14)


Kosoko was called to a meeting on the Southern tip of the Lagos Island. however he rejected the offer of friendship by the british and declined to sign the treaty Using the ingenious argument that Lagos was under Benin and the Oba of Benin should be persuaded to sign the treaty on his behalf

Adele seem to have been anxious to strengthen his own claim to the throne by obtaining confirmation by the suzerain of Lagos, the king of Benin