MaxInDHouse:


Let us first conclude on the original meaning of the English word "Hell" before going into the works of mistranslation by those who have translated what Jesus said in Hebrew to English!

So, every word has a history. That's why words have multiple meanings. So debating on the first meaning of a word really means little. Jesus Christ makes it clear that hell is a place of torment. Its more important to understand the sense in which Jesus Christ used the word.

And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

These are the very words of Jesus Christ

There are two Hebrew words that most Bible translators mixed together:

Sheoul (Grave) ~ place where the dead are COVERED to decay from the sight the living.

Gehenna (symbol of eternal damnation) ~ a valley behind Jerusalem where their refuse and carcasses of dead animals are thrown. In this valley fire is kept constantly due to the sulphur added to consume the refuse and worms there do eat the bodies of dead animals. The Jews believe in the resurrection of faithful servants of God so they treat their graves with respect {Joshua 24:32 compare to Act 7:15-16} but criminals and blasphemers aren't treated the same way rather their carcasses are thrown in Gehenna.

So when Jesus spoke of Gehenna his listeners fully grasp what he was saying that just as they often throw the carcasses of unwanted things into that valley that's exactly how God will treat unbelievers God will completely forgotten never to be remember during the resurrection of the dead! Compare to Psalms 9:17

tctrills:

I have taken the pain to give you all these verses from the bible. Hope these help answer your question.
In the bible, Jesus Christ used Hell to describe a place of torment in Luke 16.33.

Here Jesus illustrated what Jews does to the carcasses of unwanted things as they throw it into GEHENNA!
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In Revelation 20:14, Death and Hell are to separate elements. Not the same thing

Of course death differs from grave nah. People do die but it's when they can't be raised that we leave them in the Grave {John 11:44} so both have different meanings!
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Matthew 25.46 Talks about the wicked going into eternal punishment where there shall be weeping. Not death.
Jude 1.7 speaks of eternal 🔥fire

Jesus was talking to the Jews who were gnashing their teeth at him that it's in Gehenna that their gnashing of teeth will lead them not that dead people gnash their teeth (bones) in their graves.
Jude is talking about Gehenna there is no activity after death because death is the ultimate punishment for sin! Romans 7:6

tctrills:

Revelations 20.10 And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Just as we continue to remember Sodom and Gomorrah as if fire is still falling on the cities the same way we will forever remember all the pains Satan, human government and false religionists caused innocent people when they were operating not that they will be somewhere alive!

tctrills:

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”
Mark 9.47 47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Mark 9:43
And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire

Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire

Daniel 12:2
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Matthew 24:51
And will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth

The fearful reminders of evildoers will continue to linger in the hearts of billions who survived into everlasting life not that God will keep them somewhere to be roasted alive! Jeremiah 7:31

tctrills:

So, every word has a history. That's why words have multiple meanings. So debating on the first meaning of a word really means little. Jesus Christ makes it clear that hell is a place of torment. Its more important to understand the sense in which Jesus Christ used the word.

And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

These are the very words of Jesus Christ

Jesus was talking about GEHENNA not the grave (hell) it's confused translators that mixed it all up!

MaxInDHouse:
There are two Hebrew words that most Bible translators mixed together:

Sheoul (Grave) ~ place where the dead are COVERED to decay from the sight the living.

Gehenna (symbol of eternal damnation) ~ a valley behind Jerusalem where their refuse and carcasses of dead animals are thrown. In this valley fire is kept constantly due to the sulphur added to consume the refuse and worms there do eat the bodies of dead animals. The Jews believe in the resurrection of faithful servants of God so they treat their graves with respect {Joshua 24:32 compare to Act 7:15-16} but criminals and blasphemers aren't treated the same way rather their carcasses are thrown in Gehenna.

So when Jesus spoke of Gehenna his listeners fully grasp what he was saying that just as they often throw the carcasses of unwanted things into that valley that's exactly how God will treat unbelievers God will completely forgotten never to be remember during the resurrection of the dead! Compare to Psalms 9:17

Did you even read the verses I quoted?
So you seem to mix the whole thing up. Jesus Christ was not talking about people gnashing their teeth at him. please read carefully.
There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. He was talking of a future time after the resurrection.

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Jude 1.7 Speaks of eternal fire.

Again you messed up your translation of Revelations 20.10

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
it clearly says they shall be tormented day and night. please learn to read before commenting.

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus was talking about GEHENNA not the grave (hell) it's confused translators that mixed it all up!

Revelations 14.11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever and they shall not rest day and night....

Revelations 20.10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Here are the words of Christ. Stop making Christ a liar. The wicked would be tormented day and night forever and ever. Are you saying Christ is wrong?

tctrills:

Did you even read the verses I quoted?
So you seem to mix the whole thing up. Jesus Christ was not talking about people gnashing their teeth at him. please read carefully.
There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. He was talking of a future time after the resurrection.

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Jude 1.7 Speaks of eternal fire.

Again you messed up your translation of Revelations 20.10

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
it clearly says they shall be tormented day and night. please learn to read before commenting.

Ọmọ God's word doesn't contradict itself there is no activity for the dead! Ecclesiastes 9:6

So if Jesus never came to contradict the laws and the prophets {Matthew 5:17} then it means those translators have done a poor job!

MaxInDHouse:
There are two Hebrew words that most Bible translators mixed together:

Sheoul (Grave) ~ place where the dead are COVERED to decay from the sight the living.

Gehenna (symbol of eternal damnation) ~ a valley behind Jerusalem where their refuse and carcasses of dead animals are thrown. In this valley fire is kept constantly due to the sulphur added to consume the refuse and worms there do eat the bodies of dead animals. The Jews believe in the resurrection of faithful servants of God so they treat their graves with respect {Joshua 24:32 compare to Act 7:15-16} but criminals and blasphemers aren't treated the same way rather their carcasses are thrown in Gehenna.

So when Jesus spoke of Gehenna his listeners fully grasp what he was saying that just as they often throw the carcasses of unwanted things into that valley that's exactly how God will treat unbelievers God will completely forgotten never to be remember during the resurrection of the dead! Compare to Psalms 9:17

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

A dead man feels no shame and contempt. It is impossible to die and at the same time have everlasting contempt.

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ God's word doesn't contradict itself there is no activity for the dead! Ecclesiastes 9:6

So if Jesus never came to contradict the laws and the prophets {Matthew 5:17} then it means those translators have done a poor job!

You are wrong
Was Daniel, not a prophet? He spoke about eternal shame for the wicked. Can a dead man feel shame?
Ecclesiastes says no activity for the dead not for the resurrected.

MaxInDHouse:

Were you born and raised an atheist?

Answer the question sir. Who created Satan?

MaxInDHouse:

There you go: telling you the real condition of babies should make you glad instead of picking offense. Babies do die so you may have wondered why God is not saving them that's what we are telling you that they are as innocent as an older person who also died and if you're thinking of the crime an older person has committed babies aren't guiltless too all have sinned that's why all are growing old, getting sick and dying! Romans 3:23

So if Adam didn’t sin, we'd be living forever?

MaxInDHouse:

Babies are sentenced to death already so if they're fortunate to grow up and learn then they can escape that eternal damnation just as Noah was able to teach his own sons and their wives while millions of babies perished outside the Ark!

So a baby that dies goes to hell?

MaxInDHouse:


You're growing old by the day my friend so if you choose to remain an atheist you have gotten all your share in what God has in store for mankind but the obedient ones will be remembered for another opportunity this time to live forever without getting sick {Isaiah 33:24} growing old {Job 33:25} or dying! Isaiah 25:8

For now JEHOVAH is only feeding His worshipers with needed information about what the future holds as regards what life has to offer now everyone enjoys it! Matthew 5:45

So what about Christians that are poorer and sicker than atheists? What went wrong there? Did Yahweh lose his shit?

MaxInDHouse:


Leave all of them and face only a JW like me they're just learning the same way as you're doing right now!

The OP raised a good topic for many like you to gain something so don't worry about those none JWs because their pastors won't tell them this truth you're hearing.

The major issue here is that most of you only think of adults as evildoers and concluded that when it comes to capital punishment only the adults supposed to be executed because you do attribute all the wicked acts committed on this planet to adults only but that's not the way God view matters {Isaiah 55:8-9} humans like me and you see matters from the surface only while God sees from the root cause.

If Adam didn't lay the foundation for rebellion most of us won't follow the evil path and if any decides to choose wickedness God will allow such a person to live for just a hundred years and die as a youth without growing old note that even at the age of 100 God views such a person as a baby {Isaiah 65:20} WHY? Because it will take us at least 1,000 years before we can know what life truly means not just 70, 80 or 100 years!

What does life truly mean?

JEHOVAH WITNESS ARR CULTS, I don't take them seriously

tctrills:

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

A dead man feels no shame and contempt. It is impossible to die and at the same time have everlasting contempt.

If i tell you the meaning of what Daniel is saying you'll be shocked but because of anyone who may be interested:

Daniel is talking about the endtime which begins when John the baptist started calling Jews saying "the kingdom of heaven is at hand" {Matthew 3:2} one of the foremost prince of heaven (Michael) was transformed into an embryo and he became a man he is the one called Jesus of Nazareth and he came for the salvation of God's people so it's him that will bring back to life all those who are sleeping in death (not all the dead) and many will be tested for their faith so that some may gain eternal life while the rest return to grave permanently! Daniel 12:1-3

That's the import of what you just quoted nor that dead people will be somewhere roasted alive! Jeremiah 7:31

tctrills:

You are wrong
Was Daniel, not a prophet? He spoke about eternal shame for the wicked. Can a dead man feel shame?
Ecclesiastes says no activity for the dead not for the resurrected.

So it means those that will face eternal shame failed woefully that's what you supposed to know. They will be brought back to life and live for a thousand years as youths then in their own eyes many will continue living while they are exterminated just as it occurred in the days of Noah!

jaephoenix:

Answer the question sir. Who created Satan?

Answer mine first after all i've been answering your always!

jaephoenix:

So a baby that dies goes to hell?

Yes! They return to the dust for dust they are and to dust they shall return {Genesis 3:19} the word Hell means Grave where they are covered to decay!

jaephoenix:

So what about Christians that are poorer and sicker than atheists? What went wrong there? Did Yahweh lose his shit?

Jehovah never promised His worshipers anything apart from life saving informations and wholesome brotherhood everything others experience they will also experience.
There are atheists who are rich and many are poor, there are atheists who are sick and many are healthy, the same applies to people having faith. The only difference is wisdom {Proverbs 2:1-5} and a global family of peace loving worshipers {Mark 10:28-30} that's what atheists can never ever have!

MaxInDHouse:


So it means those that will face eternal shame failed woefully that's what you supposed to know. They will be brought back to life and live for a thousand years as youths then in their own eyes many will continue living while they are exterminated just as it occurred in the days of Noah!

oga please read. A thousand years is not the eternal shame.

jaephoenix:

What does life truly mean?

From God's standpoint life means a healthy living where there is no suffering, pain, death, sickness, oldage, deformities, disasters (natural or unnatural)

That's why Paul urged his Christian brothers to get a firm hold on the REAL life which we are hoping for in the nearest future {1Timothy 6:19} not this one where we just have to manage whatever we get due to Satan's rulership! 1John 5:19

MaxInDHouse:


If i tell you the meaning of what Daniel is saying you'll be shocked but because of anyone who may be interested:

Daniel is talking about the endtime which begins when John the baptist started calling Jews saying "the kingdom of heaven is at hand" {Matthew 3:2} one of the foremost prince of heaven (Michael) was transformed into an embryo and he became a man he is the one called Jesus of Nazareth and he came for the salvation of God's people so it's him that will bring back to life all those who are sleeping in death (not all the dead) and many will be tested for their faith so that some may gain eternal life while the rest return to grave permanently! Daniel 12:1-3

That's the import of what you just quoted nor that dead people will be somewhere roasted alive! Jeremiah 7:31

Daniel teaches that they would face eternal shame so clearly you are wrong. The meaning of eternal is endless. Simple English.
So you claim they would go permanently to the grave. According to you, can someone in the grave face eternal shame? This shows your translation is faulty

tctrills:
oga please read. A thousand years is not the eternal shame.

You only need to correlate what God said in the beginning with whatever you later find in the Bible otherwise you will just hing onto what has no bearing on the Bible as a whole!

Eternal shame goes to those who lived for a thousand years thinking nothing could kill them again but later found out that death still has power over them!

MaxInDHouse:


You only need to correlate what God said in the beginning with whatever you later find in the Bible otherwise you will just hing onto what has no bearing on the Bible as a whole!

Eternal shame goes to those who lived for a thousand years thinking nothing could kill them again but later found out that death still has power over them!

When did they find out that death has power over them? Was it after their death? Lol. So was their endless shame after death or before death? Your story get K leg

tctrills:

When did they find out that death has power over them? Was it after their death? Lol. So was their endless shame after death or before death? Your story get K leg

Ọmọ death is for those who are powerless so if after a thousand years of living youthful lives like immortals their death will mean eternal shame for them as they're unable to continue living with whatever they rely upon apart from faith in God.
That's what it means not that dead people will be somewhere roasting in some fire! Jeremiah 7:31

MaxInDHouse:


You only need to correlate what God said in the beginning with whatever you later find in the Bible otherwise you will just hing onto what has no bearing on the Bible as a whole!

Eternal shame goes to those who lived for a thousand years thinking nothing could kill them again but later found out that death still has power over them!

Uncle, are these also the same people spoken of in Revelation 20:10

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

can you be tormented day and night forever and ever at death?

MaxInDHouse:

Ọmọ death is for those who are powerless so if after a thousand years of living youthful lives like immortals their death will mean eternal shame for them as they're unable to continue living with whatever they rely upon apart from faith in God.
That's what it means not that dead people will be somewhere roasting in some fire! Jeremiah 7:31

Oga you can't have eternal shame if you die. In fact death would save them from eternal shame. Death is clear opposite of eternal shame because you need to be alive to be ashamed forever.

tctrills:

Uncle, are these also the same people spoken of in Revelation 20:10

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

can you be tormented day and night forever and ever at death?

Ọmọ the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah are being tormented day and night in our memories as if fire is still falling upon those two cities.
That's what it means!

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah are being tormented day and night in our memories as if fire is still falling upon those two cities.
That's what it means!

Oga are you ok. Explain how to torment a dead man in your memory.
Please do you know the meaning of torment? Its impossible to torment another person in your memory oga. What are you even saying.

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah are being tormented day and night in our memories as if fire is still falling upon those two cities.
That's what it means!

I have a friend who died of an accident, when I remember him, does he get tormented?

tctrills:

Oga you can't have eternal shame if you die. In fact death would save them from eternal shame. Death is clear opposite of eternal shame because you need to be alive to be ashamed forever.

Nooooooooo!
That's not how immortal beings reason, it's you who feels death is normal that thinks it's nothing to be ashamed of but as for people who have never tasted death for thousands of years it brings agony to their brains! Luke 22:39-43

Do you see where angels came consoling Jesus? Well they're simply reminding him that it's just for three days and three nights not forever!

tctrills:

Oga are you ok. Explain how to torment a dead man in your memory.
Please do you know the meaning of torment? Its impossible to torment another person in your memory oga. What are you even saying.

Ọmọ what comes to your mind when you remember the name Sodom and Gomorrah?

Do you remember that the city was once really influential and big commercial centers or the fire that came out of heaven to consume these cities?
Well that's what Revelations is simply telling you!