AudioMonkey:

How can someone claim to seek evidence for God while they continue looking/advocating evidences against same God and deride/ridicule same God concept?

How can someone claim to seek evidence for God but affirm he doesn't exist and tag those who say otherwise delusional?

How can you seek evidence for God when you're already sure he doesn't exist

Like I said, some just hate this whole God stuff...

...not like they sincerely seek any evidence

they blaspheme...

they get mad when you keep parading the God discussion in their face.

AudioMonkey:


Of course, there can never be anything wrong in mocking a god if that gives you the evidence you claim to seek about whatever your concept of god/God is.

AudioMonkey:


Exactly the point I been making.
After you deduced I exist while you seek more evidence to reinforce the deductions but at the same time you keep insulting me, affirming I don't exist and propagating different grounds why I don't exist. Isn't that so contradictory, messed up and confusing? That's the reason why I tell you it's not a case of all these folks "sincerely" seeking for any evidence. If you do in your own case, you can only speak for yourself.

In an atheist community, under the generic tag of being atheist, you'd discover different sub categories - the 'sincerely' confused/neutral ones in doubt, who're 'sincerely' seeking 'sincere' answers.
You'd see ex theists now antagonists.
You'd see those who just hate to hear you say 'God', perhaps hurt and bitter because of hard life and bad experiences.
You'd see the jesters who don't GAF nor care to know if God exist or not but they tease/bait you to give them evidences so they could have something new to mock and laugh about.
You'd also see those who don't like the restrictions in religion or they see religion as the root cause of world's chaos, they think their lives have been full and great without any God.

LordReed:

Why are you being facetious over a simple question? Can you explain what is wrong in mocking a concept of a god that I find comical or are you unable to explain what is wrong with it?

AudioMonkey:

You mean the way atheists are being facetious in their claim of seeking evidence which exactly is all what I've been saying.
Now to your question, I think I did answer it more than once, though I can't remember any where I said mocking a god is wrong, that must have been your own choice of words.
Since you said there are different concepts of a god or gods, which I also agree with. So if all other concepts are wrong, which of them got approved by the atheist community as right? If none is, then what right concept has the community provided so we can all follow such?

I already made a simple point at the beginning but seems you want to keep spinning the conversation all around, let's see what we arrive at in the end.

LordReed:


You said it was blasphemous, what do think that means?

Where did I say all concepts of god are wrong? What do you mean approved by the atheist community as right, were you told there a god needs to be approved by an atheist community? That is an individual choice so the atheist community has no say in that.

What was the simple point you made?

Dream17:


You are a little confused. First, there are two distinct strains of atheistic thought. Second, I know of no atheist worth his salt, that would make the general assumption, "No gods exist." What most atheists assert is the following; "I have never seen good evidence for the existence of God or gods".

Dream17:

Now, when an atheist makes the assertion that a god does not exist, they are willing to adopt the burden of proof. For example, the God of the bible is so contradictory that it can not exist. It is all knowing, but gives you free choice. That is NOT possible. It is either he knows what you are going to do before you do it, and he is all knowing -- and, you don't have free choice... or he does not know, in which case he is not all knowing

Dream17:

and the Bible is lying and god does not have a plan. This god does not exist.

Dream17:

The bible god is also supposed to be "just" and "merciful". If the bible god is just, he can not be merciful. Mercy is the suspension of justice. This is a direct contradiction and this god does not exist.

Dream17:

So, when an atheist makes a claim that any god does not exist, you might want to ask them which god they are talking about.

Dream17:

I will not tell you that your god does not exist until you make a logical contradiction or posit something you can not possibly know.

Dream17:

A god that exists beyond time or space for example -- you have absolutely no knowledge of any such place.

Dream17:

A god that exists for no time in no space is nothing.

Dream17:

All thoughts and movements are temporal.

AudioMonkey:




So, I ask, what's your stand about god? So we can know how to proceed or not with our discussion.

Maynmaynmayn:

“god” apart from its germanic root is gotten from greek, theos, as you know New Testament was written in greek.
Theos originally referred to olympian gods..
If you look at the word “theism” and the opposite “atheism” it literally comes from theos.
A’theism— the “A” means without, theism means gods, put together it “means without gods/theos”.
A sango, zeus, odin, yahweh and allah etc worshippers are theists and then we have atheists that reject all these gods.
god/theos is a title.

We can talk about the Germanic origin of god from gudan too.

AudioMonkey:


Are you the same person as dream17?

Maynmaynmayn:

I’m an atheist, I’m always eager to tutor theists.

AudioMonkey:


Alright start tutoring me, I'm also eager to read and learn from you.
I can only engage Dream17 for now and I wish it would be a quick one. My days of debates are now over. I already paid my dues.

Maynmaynmayn:

Where should we start?
Should i teach you about theism and the different types ?
Or should i teach you the different Gods especially yahweh the israelite god the Christians or properly called chrestians worship.

AudioMonkey:

We'll still get to those later but to start with, teach me about the origin of life since a god doesn't exist nor created it.

KnownUnknown:

May I ask the atheists if they have seen “bad” evidence for the existence of god or gods?

What if contradiction is a character trait of this god? This god could very well be amusing itself by giving contradictory instructions or this works could be a project to determine how beings with intelligence would act given contradictory instructions.

The god could also be a disinterested observer who has run this world experiment countless times so that he knows what will happen 99.99 percent of the time and it only acts when that 0.01 deviation from norm occurs.

What plan do you mean?

Does the Bible refer to the same god in all the stories?

Why should justice and mercy be mutually exclusive? How is mercy a suspension of justice?

The atheist just seems to forget that in order to say “god(s) does not exist” he has to have a god in mind in the first place.

A god exists wherever the person making the claim wants it to exist. He may have no knowledge of it but he has the idea.

A god that exists for no time in no space is everything.

Gods exist as ideas borne of movement and thought.

AudioMonkey:
Alright son, thank you for introducing yourself in my mention with this nice contradiction. That should give you a quick answer to who's confused between the two of us.
Especially @bolded makes the contradiction more hilarious.

So, I ask, what's your stand about god? So we can know how to proceed or not with our discussion.

AudioMonkey:


You're yet to answer my question except you're still a baby atheist.

You mean atheists are empty, they reject theism and at the same time, they don't have their own perspectives about life, origin, existence and the rest?

If you say my stand is wrong, then you should be able to offer me the right stand.

AudioMonkey:


You're yet to answer my question except you're still a baby atheist.

You mean atheists are empty, they reject theism and at the same time, they don't have their own perspectives about life, origin, existence and the rest?

If you say my stand is wrong, then you should be able to offer me the right stand.

TenQ:

Will you agree that
1. Just as NDE experiences, Spiritual experiences are SUBJECTIVE experiences

2. Just as NDE experiences are real to the person experiencing it, Spiritual experiences are REAL to those who experience them

3. Just as there is no physical proof of NDE experiences, there are no physical proofs of Spiritual [/i]

Now to those on the outside especially skeptics:
Would their best approach be to
1. Take those experiences with a grain of salt
OR
2. Begin to fight and dispute that such experiences can only be real if they can be proved physically.

The second approach seem to the the disposition of many Atheists on Nairaland.

AudioMonkey:

I'm not ignorant theist except that I can't regard someone like you as a functional atheist, the reason why I refer to you as baby atheist in my last reply which you've proven to be right.
It's correct the dictionary meaning of an atheist is simply lack of belief in god but in practice, in my past years with white atheists, what they essentially do is first to disarm your theist defense, then they start feeding you with science and logic. I always like to debate in the community those days because there's always a lot to learn.
But if you reject my stance and you have no stance or explanations in place of that, why then show up in my mention you want to tutor me? You have nothing to tutor me on.
You reject my stand and you also don't have any.

AudioMonkey:


You mean atheists are empty, they reject theism and at the same time, they don't have their own perspectives about life, origin, existence and the rest?

If you say my stand is wrong, then you should be able to offer me the right stand.

Maynmaynmayn:

Look at this indoctrinated theist just ranting jargons, you keep proving how ignorant and senile a typical theist is.
If you are not a dullard, is a Sango worshipper not a theist just like a yahweh worshipper so should i start generalizing all theists as uneducated people worshiping dummy idols?
You haven’t said any reasonable thing.
You don’t even know what “theism” means.

I’m yet to expose your Israelite deity, i only quoted you to tutor you on what “atheism” means.
Now if you want me to reject your stance, i will do that, just to be sure is your creator, yahweh?

AudioMonkey:


You're already sounding so incoherent and frustrated and I might have felt sorry for you if I didn't make myself clear to you initially. You showed up in my mention and I told you I'm only interested to debate Dream17 RN but you insisted you want to tutor me, fine. Now that you can't tutor me, you don't have to kill yourself with frustration under my mention.
You seem like an atheist rookie that has just been released into sane space to constitute nuisance.
Kindly find another target you can unleash all your negative energies on.

Maynmaynmayn:

You are ignorant that’s why it sounds incoherent to you.
You are generalizing atheists with the few you have met, should i also generalize theists too, some radical muslims that bombs people should i start calling all theists murderers?
Like i Said you haven’t said any reasonable thing since morning, you don’t even understand what “theism” means.
Start from the basic, you are little.
Dumb Yahweh worshipper.

AudioMonkey:


Now you're sounding dumber.
You're too frustrated and agitated to understand all happening here. The point is, if you're the type of atheist who doesn't have your own stand, knowledge and answer about existence, life and the rest, why show up in my mention saying you want to tutor me?
Now that you can't tutor me, you don't have to keep crying under my mention.